Paint ball guns, can they kill mice at very close range?
Samuel W. Heywood
a paint-ball gun and I have never been shot by one, so I don't know how
hard their projectiles hit.
I was wondering if it would be feasible to use a paint-ball gun
with paint-ball projectiles filled with water instead of paint for
the purpose of killing mice in one's home or storage shed or
inside one's vehicle.
Would the projectiles hit hard enough to kill a mouse at very close
range?
Does anybody here know of anyone who has tried using a paint-ball gun
for this purpose?
Sam Heywood
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#Would the projectiles hit hard enough to kill a mouse at very close
#range?
I don't know, but here's an alternative:
Get yourself a six foot blow gun and shoot them with the wire darts
that usually come with the gun. I'm sure it'll work on mice, given
that it works on cats... I hear.
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punch! From about a distance of about 10 feet, I was hit with three
shots across my back (yeah, that guy didn't exactly play fair, but
thats another story ...). I was left with 50-cent-piece sized welts
on my back for about a week. In another case, I've seen an accidental
discharge from about a foot away that actually blew a hole through
another guys shirt! I have no doubt that you could kill a mouse with
a well placed, reasonably close range shot.
I doubt, however, that you'd find water-filled paintballs. I'm
willing to bet that they don't exist (what would be the point for most
folks?), and paintballs aren't something you can make at home. The
good news is that the paint in paintballs is water soluble, and its a
small amount as well. It shouldn't be a hassle to clean off of
whatever surface it ends up on.
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medicine ball at 300 FPS hitting some unsuspecting guy in the chest. HOW's that
for large caliber heavy slow bullets 45 fans.
Doug T
SpiceScoot
in the car with mom and a PB came in through the window. I don't know how much
of the velocity was a factor of the car's speed but it happened in town.
Inside a car I think it would be at least incapacitating for a mouse to take a
paint ball hit. Across a big room would be a little harder call. Be prepared
to finish him off with a knife or something. How are you going to fill a
paintball with water? They are sealed when you get them. Open all the windows
this winter and use frozen paintballs. They would probably take out a rat or
little yippy dog. Be sure to let us know how you come out. LRK
Mitch Barrie
<shey...@MyRealBox.com> wrote:
#Would the projectiles hit hard enough to kill a mouse at very close
#range?
They are capable of killing people at very close range.
Mitch
Matt Russell
"Samuel W. Heywood" <shey...@MyRealBox.com> wrote:
# This is a serious question, so please don't laugh. I have never fired
# a paint-ball gun and I have never been shot by one, so I don't know how
# hard their projectiles hit.
#
# I was wondering if it would be feasible to use a paint-ball gun
# with paint-ball projectiles filled with water instead of paint for
# the purpose of killing mice in one's home or storage shed or
# inside one's vehicle.
#
# Would the projectiles hit hard enough to kill a mouse at very close
# range?
#
# Does anybody here know of anyone who has tried using a paint-ball gun
# for this purpose?
#
Try freezing the water/paint balls. That'll do it.
Honestly, you should go get some rat shot .22 ammo. (For outdoors in the
shed, not in the house, unless you rent LOL) They're .22 LR filled with
#9 shot and crimped shut or closed with a plastic cap. They're better
in a bolt action or revolver, autos seem to jam when using them.
For a non-gun solution I've used sticky glue traps baited with peanut
butter, and they seem to work OK on mice & rats out in the garage. Just
keep your cats away from the trapped mice, lest they coat themselves in
goo.
Matt
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there). no blotches on walls furniture or carpet.
A well placed paint ball may very well croak a mouse. I have never been shot
by one but I understand that a paint bal hit on unprotected (padded) human
flesh is fairly painful.
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Scott R. Keszler
#I was wondering if it would be feasible to use a paint-ball gun
#with paint-ball projectiles filled with water instead of paint for
#the purpose of killing mice in one's home or storage shed or
#inside one's vehicle.
Paintball guns are adjustable over a range of velocities - 300 fps is the
allowed max for paintball games. Mine can be adjusted up to about 350 fps and
down to about 200. The paintballs are .68 caliber spheres made of a
gelatin-like shell, filled with a biodegradable, colored, paint-like
substance (easily washed away with soap and water). Checking just now they
weigh about 46 grains.
A body shot might break a few bones, but I doubt it'd be lethal on a mouse. A
head shot would probably stun.
There is no way I know of to suck out the paint and replace it with water.
Paintballs exposed to humidity absorb water and swell; the enlarged diameter
causes them to jam and break in the barrel.
I've shot a few pigeons with paintballs, all at 15 to 20 feet. Saw the paint
break on all of them. Three (body/wing hits) flew away, one (head shot) fell
to the ground and hopped/flapped away into the brush.
BTMO
"Samuel W. Heywood" <> wrote
# This is a serious question, so please don't laugh. I have never fired
# a paint-ball gun and I have never been shot by one, so I don't know how
# hard their projectiles hit.
#
# I was wondering if it would be feasible to use a paint-ball gun
# with paint-ball projectiles filled with water instead of paint for
# the purpose of killing mice in one's home or storage shed or
# inside one's vehicle.
#
# range?
<snip>
They will if you put the paintballs in the freezer for a while first....
;-)
Seriously, I think they would (unfrozen!) - paintballs hurt when they hit,
and a mouse is pretty small / light framed. Be sure you can *hit* a mouse
first, and as with all hunting, make sure you will get those one-shot humane
kills.
Skinning and caping mice is a bugger, though...
Cheers,
Brenton
Jason Wagner
# with paint-ball projectiles filled with water instead of paint for
# the purpose of killing mice in one's home or storage shed or
# inside one's vehicle.
I can get a jar of peanut butter and a bag of a dozen moustraps for about
$6, theoretically kill 12 mice simultaneously, and I guarantee my
"ammunition" jar of peanut butter will outlast your bag o' paintballs and
CO2.
hayseed
dont let the neighbors see you
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# some 22 shorts are less noisy than a pellet gun or paint ball gun - just
# dont let the neighbors see you
Yes, but not safe to use inside your home or in your storage
shed or vehicle. The bullets or pellets would ricochet and
bounce around and they might injure you or other people or damage
your property. Paint balls don't bounce around and ricochet.
They won't penetrate your kirchen cabinets and they probably would
not break auto glass. They just go splat. I wish they made
water-filled paint balls for using against mice in your home.
They probably would work in slingshots just as well as in
paint-ball guns.
Sam Heywood
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Samuel W. Heywood
# # I was wondering if it would be feasible to use a paint-ball gun
# # with paint-ball projectiles filled with water instead of paint for
# # the purpose of killing mice in one's home or storage shed or
# # inside one's vehicle.
#
# I can get a jar of peanut butter and a bag of a dozen moustraps for about
# $6, theoretically kill 12 mice simultaneously, and I guarantee my
# "ammunition" jar of peanut butter will outlast your bag o' paintballs and
# CO2.
The problem with your proposed solution is that you have to go to the
hassle of setting your traps and then you have to wait, perhaps for as
long as a couple of days, before the mouse will take the bait and
become neutralized by your traps. A mouse can make quite a mess and get
into a lot of your stuff in just a couple of days.
Sam Heywood
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Joseph Lovell
Samuel W. Heywood wrote:
#This is a serious question, so please don't laugh. I have never fired
#a paint-ball gun and I have never been shot by one, so I don't know how
#hard their projectiles hit.
#
Close range and unprotected they hurt like summabitch.
#
#I was wondering if it would be feasible to use a paint-ball gun
#with paint-ball projectiles filled with water instead of paint for
#the purpose of killing mice in one's home or storage shed or
#inside one's vehicle.
#
First problem would be getting the balls filled with water rather than
paint. Second problem would be acutally hitting a mouse at any range,
except maybe putting the muzzle up aginst the critter, and if you can do
that you can kill it with a stick for a lot less money.
#Would the projectiles hit hard enough to kill a mouse at very close
#range?
#
Most likely it would.
#Does anybody here know of anyone who has tried using a paint-ball gun
#for this purpose?
#
I don't know of anyone who has done it. Mostly because there are much
better ways to get rid of mice.
Penguin
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What the F! Get a freaking mouse trap!!!!
Penguin
# On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 13:58:37 +0000 (UTC), "Samuel W. Heywood"
# <shey...@MyRealBox.com> wrote:
#
# #Would the projectiles hit hard enough to kill a mouse at very close
# #range?
#
# I don't know, but here's an alternative:
#
# Get yourself a six foot blow gun and shoot them with the wire darts
# that usually come with the gun. I'm sure it'll work on mice, given
# that it works on cats... I hear.
Some real weirdos in this newsgroup!
David Steuber
# This is a serious question, so please don't laugh.
Too late.
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You would have to be able to hit the rat or yipping little dog though.
They may be annoying but aren't stupid. Can you say moving target??
Christopher Morton
<pen...@joshua.myftp.org> wrote:
## Get yourself a six foot blow gun and shoot them with the wire darts
## that usually come with the gun. I'm sure it'll work on mice, given
## that it works on cats... I hear.
#
#Some real weirdos in this newsgroup!
Helpful hint:
When your neighbor asks you to keep your cats on your property and off
of his, simple courtesy (and an inferred desire to keep your pets from
harm) should lead you to do so.
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durablity of the rodent...MatQuig
Joseph Oberlander
# On Sun, 24 Aug 2003, hayseed wrote:
#
# # dont let the neighbors see you
#
# Yes, but not safe to use inside your home or in your storage
# shed or vehicle. The bullets or pellets would ricochet and
# bounce around and they might injure you or other people or damage
# your property. Paint balls don't bounce around and ricochet.
# They won't penetrate your kirchen cabinets and they probably would
# not break auto glass. They just go splat. I wish they made
# water-filled paint balls for using against mice in your home.
# They probably would work in slingshots just as well as in
# paint-ball guns.
I'd suggest a simple air pistol like a Beeman P2. Effective
on rats and very safe to operate. Another option would be
a blowgun.
Make your own rat-killer!
Take a piece of 2 1/2 to 3 ft long 1/2 inch PVC pipe. De-burr
both ends and sand down the mouth/loading end a bit. Wrap in
PVC electrical tape - color of your choice - in an overlaping
spiral. Add a few extra wraps of tape at the loading end
so as to easily be able to tell which end is which.
Blowgun is finished. Will last decades. If it gets dirty,
wash it out with a hose and air dry.
On to the ammunition!
Wire darts and all sorts of crap - why bother? You have two
options. Either get a .50 cal or .68 cal pipe to begin with
so you can also shoot paintballs or just make your own darts.
Use heavy glossy paper. National Geographic is the best type
and consistency, btw. Use this as a guideline if you care
about thrashing old N.G. magazines. Most people do not as they
are obtainable at garage sales by the boxful.
Make a cone with it. Now, hold the tab that's sticking out
and gently pull it back. It you're doing it correctly, it
will pull back into a long thin tube. Tape up the tab
and there you go.
Use a 2-3 inch piece of the same tubing as the blowgun. Cut
and you are almost finished. Now, as is, it is as "deadly" as a
soft-air gun. Maybe break the skin at point-blank range. Maybe.
Cut off the very tip. You want it to be about .10 cal optimally
so it doesn't bend or scratch when it hits.
This, btw, makes for a Great game of "tag" - wear paintball
masks/goggles for your eyes/ears and a sweatshirt. More fun
than paintball as it has much longer ranges, is more accurate,
and you have a real ammo problem. You can also pick up ammo you
find lying around. Neat game if paintball is too costly or the
locals get upset at the noise and mess.(of course cleanup the
paper darts afterwards) We had a local Jr. High allow us to
play on weekends growing up - serious fun with all of the
levels and hallways and such.
Two options for pests:
Knockout and penetration.
Knockout - just take the dart and dip it in wax or put tape on
the end. Putting wax down the funnel can also help - the idea is make
a hard wad at the end. Penetration of course, goes down to zero.
Great for scaring off squirrels and dogs and such with no possible
injury. Hits about a quarter as hard as a paintball. Or use a
paintball if the tube is the same size. You can also use a
frozen paintball. .50 cal paintballs are recommeneded, as they
are smaller, faster, and fly farther. This also gives you
acceptable results with slingshot ammo and the paper darts.
(this usually requires a specific sized .50 cal piece of tubing,
though, which may be regulated where you live)
Penetration - take a finishing nail. Insert from the open end
down into the front. It should push through and the "head"
of the nail should not pass through. Tape into place. Sharpen
the nail on a file or grinding wheel if you wish. This is as
effective as a .177 air pistol on rats. No lead, no noise,
no mess to clean up. Just a simple *whap* and they have a one
inch nail in them. Cleanup is as simple as cutting off the tip
with the nail and disposing of the paper in the recycling bin.
Bill M
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I'd like to dispel a couple of myths in this thread. I have been
playing paintball since 1985 with the original "Nel-spot" guns.
Two years ago I had heard people telling me stories about other
players freezing paintballs and that they were like getting hit with
marbles so I decided to check it out myself and see if it was urban
legend. After putting a bag of balls in a normal home freezer
overnight, I took them out and had someone shoot me with them from
about 50 feet. It did hurt a lot, but all the balls broke. What I
found was that freezing them made these differences:
1. The paint was more like a gel inside, but still definitely liquid.
2. The balls didn't seem as accurate.
3. The shell became very brittle and tended to cut into the skin
slightly and draw blood where I was hit (nothing major though).
I'm sure you could get them solid if you dipped them in liquid
nitrogen, but at normal freezer temperatures they are definitely not
solid.
As for being able to kill a person at close range, I can't imaging
that being possible unless the shot went through the eye socket. A few
years back, I was dumb enough to play a game of "submission" with a
guy on the paintball field. This involved both of us filling our
hoppers and standing about 10 feet apart and unloading on the other
until one of us finally would yell "submit". I was getting more hits
so the other guy got really mad and ran across and shot me multiple
times ranging from a foot away to actual contact shots to my stomach
and arm. Several broke the skin and they left nasty bruises, but
certainly nothing that would seriously injure or kill.
Oh, one last thing. The paint is water soluble but I've found that
there are some surfaces that it is very difficult to remove it from.
After one game I climbed into my truck without cleaning the paint from
my clothes very well (I don't know what brand but the color was
white). Anyway, it took a lot of stain remover to get it off the seat
and I never did get some of it out of the textured vinyl in the
steering column.
Jerry Houston
.... get a cat, and preferably one with a 4x4 set of claws! Yesterday I
found the fifth dead mouse in the side yard this summer, showing that
Slasher is once again an Ace. (He re-qualifies each year.) Our house is 14
years old, and we have yet to see the first indoor rodent.
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# I'd suggest a simple air pistol like a Beeman P2. Effective
# on rats and very safe to operate. Another option would be
# a blowgun.
#
# Make your own rat-killer!
Mitch Barrie
wrote:
#As for being able to kill a person at close range, I can't imaging
#that being possible unless the shot went through the eye socket.
Or temple. At close range. Point being, as you have described, paintballs
do get up to some non-trivial energy.
Mitch
Steve Greer
<shey...@MyRealBox.com> wrote:
#This is a serious question, so please don't laugh. I have never fired
#a paint-ball gun and I have never been shot by one, so I don't know how
#hard their projectiles hit.
#
#I was wondering if it would be feasible to use a paint-ball gun
#with paint-ball projectiles filled with water instead of paint for
#the purpose of killing mice in one's home or storage shed or
#inside one's vehicle.
#
#Would the projectiles hit hard enough to kill a mouse at very close
#range?
#
If not killed instantly, the paint should make them much easier
to track and recover. Sorry, I could not resist.
Q
Użytkownik "Samuel W. Heywood" <shey...@MyRealBox.com> napisał w wiadomości
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# This is a serious question, so please don't laugh. I have never fired
# a paint-ball gun and I have never been shot by one, so I don't know how
# hard their projectiles hit.
#
# with paint-ball projectiles filled with water instead of paint for
# the purpose of killing mice in one's home or storage shed or
# inside one's vehicle.
#
# range?
I think adopting a cat would me a much better choice.
They are good at mouse disposal and make great pets too.
;-)
Q
Joseph Oberlander
# I'm surprised that no one in the group has come up with the best answer yet
# .... get a cat, and preferably one with a 4x4 set of claws! Yesterday I
# found the fifth dead mouse in the side yard this summer, showing that
# Slasher is once again an Ace. (He re-qualifies each year.) Our house is 14
# years old, and we have yet to see the first indoor rodent.
Heh. Cats are good, yes they are.
Cute, furry, like to be rubbed and are mouse killing maniacs.
Isaac Kuo
# I was wondering if it would be feasible to use a paint-ball gun
# with paint-ball projectiles filled with water instead of paint for
# the purpose of killing mice in one's home or storage shed or
# inside one's vehicle.
I once lived at a place with mice. From my experience:
Cats - I think all cats like to get geckos, but not all cats go
for mice. Our cat did not go after the mice.
Traps - I got a grand total of three mice with them, over several
months. It was more or less a wasted effort. There's something
about the slight smell of human handling and/or dead mice which
make them learn really quickly to avoid the traps. I think some
sort of nonlethal trap might work much better.
Paintballs, blowgun darts, etc - I never tried shooting the mice.
The basic problem is...they're small and they move! Mice simply
don't stand still out in the open. They scurry along until they
get to some cover. They're not like roaches which will sometimes
just stand still out in the open. Mice are more difficult.
Forget about hitting mice with a blowgun, and count on a serious
amount of "spray and pray" with a paint gun. A full auto airsoft
might stand a chance of hitting a mouse...maybe. I think you
need something with an area effect.
For indoors mouse hunting, I'd suggest:
1. A strong slingshot, launching Mardi Gras bead necklaces within
a hankercheif. A bead necklace is a safe projectile which is
easy to clean up (unlike a zillion airsoft balls). It has a
good spread, and will tend to "hug" the floor and slide along
the edge of a wall. On wood or tile floors, you can cover a
wide swathe. Mice like to scurry along the edge of a wall; if
you fire along the edge it's dead meat.
Mice have very delicate bodies, so the blunt trauma from a bead
necklace should reliably kill them even with a relatively low
impact velocity.
or
2. A PVC pipe pneumatic "spud gun", loaded with Mardi Gras bead
necklaces. Use two torn pieces of plastic Walmart grocery
bag for wadding (a larger piece behind and a smaller piece
in front to allow downward shots). Unlike the slingshot,
this airgun can be left in a loaded condition ready to fire
at a moment's notice.
Of course, I don't think you can seriously reduce their numbers
through hunting. You'd need to trap them to do that, I think.
The most ingenious mousetrap idea I've seen involves digging a
deep hole for a water filled bucket. A thick wire is strung across
the top of the hole, threaded through a corn cob section which you
put peanut butter on. The mouse doesn't detect any danger but when
it tries to eat the peanut butter the corn cob spins and it falls
into the water bucket. Eventually, the mouse drowns. Supposedly,
this sort of mouse trap is capable of killing dozens of mice in a
few nights.
Isaac Kuo
Tim Kroesen
TK
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# Two years ago I had heard people telling me stories about other
# players freezing paintballs and that they were like getting hit with
# marbles so I decided to check it out myself and see if it was urban
# legend. After putting a bag of balls in a normal home freezer
# overnight, I took them out and had someone shoot me with them from
# about 50 feet. It did hurt a lot, but all the balls broke. What I
# found was that freezing them made these differences:
fugi
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I was paintballing with my roomate in a parking garage. we didn't
realize our guns were still on full power from shooting birdr from
our top floor apartment. 5ft, drew blood.anything more left a bruise
the size of my fist and sometimes still drew blood.
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paintballs don't freeze. not enough water, more oils.
dustbird
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# On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 13:58:37 +0000, Samuel W. Heywood wrote:
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# What the F! Get a freaking mouse trap!!!!
I've got some box mouse traps that don't kill mice. You bait the trap
with cheese or peanut butter, give the spring a couple of turns, and the
mouse can't get out.
The disadvantage is it can be a nuisance to take the mice out to some
field and release them - but if you've got a neighbor you dislike then
The advantage is they can catch two or three mice at a time. They work
very well.
Charlie D
mec...@yahoo.com (Isaac Kuo) wrote:
# A full auto airsoft might stand a chance of hitting a mouse...maybe.
At least you might drown it. ;)
# 1. A strong slingshot, launching Mardi Gras bead necklaces
# 2. A PVC pipe pneumatic "spud gun", loaded with Mardi Gras bead
# necklaces.
Sounds like you're a real party guy!
# The most ingenious mousetrap idea I've seen involves digging a
# deep hole for a water filled bucket. A thick wire is strung across
# the top of the hole, threaded through a corn cob section which you
# put peanut butter on. The mouse doesn't detect any danger but when
# it tries to eat the peanut butter the corn cob spins and it falls
# into the water bucket.
Now THAT is cool!
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Newark, DE USA
David Steuber
# Not reliably. They may kill on occasion, but blunt truama death
# depends on the durablity of the rodent...MatQuig
My sister once killed a mouse with a fly swatter. It was a lot like
watching a Tom & Jerry cartoon. It took a couple dozen wacks.
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# "Samuel W. Heywood" <shey...@MyRealBox.com> wrote in message news:<bi7rud$g59$1...@grapevine.wam.umd.edu>...
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# # I was wondering if it would be feasible to use a paint-ball gun
# # with paint-ball projectiles filled with water instead of paint for
# # the purpose of killing mice in one's home or storage shed or
# # inside one's vehicle.
#
# I once lived at a place with mice. From my experience:
#
# Cats - I think all cats like to get geckos, but not all cats go
# for mice. Our cat did not go after the mice.
Get a nice Siamese-Tabby mix. Very fun, friendly, and
LOVE to stomp on little moving things. Mine also goes
after flies and gnats.
My big fat Angora also goes after mice, but nothing like
the little one does.
Joseph Oberlander
# SpiceScoot <spice...@aol.com> wrote:
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# paintballs don't freeze. not enough water, more oils.
Your freezer isn't set cold enough ;)
Tiger
cat........... You take care of him, he'll take care of your problems.
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they don't freeze.
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source for 'Stopping Power' anecdotals...<g>
Putting more ballistic mass on target was indicated; 'yo mama'
perhaps...<G>
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Samuel W. Heywood
# Trying to invent the better mouse trap????? Got to the SPCA and adopt a
# cat........... You take care of him, he'll take care of your problems.
#
# "Samuel W. Heywood" wrote:
Got cats. They stay outside. If I let them inside they will scratch
the furniture and jump around on things and knock everything down and
break things. Tried that and that is what they always do.
Sam Heywood
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Goldcoinamuse
guage with #2 shot. Jacks with wall a little but does the jb well! :)
Joseph Oberlander
# Joseph Oberlander <josephob...@earthlink.net> wrote:
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# they don't freeze.
As I said - your "freezer" isn't cold enough ;)
BTMO
# Doesn't sound like a clean kill to me; perhaps Tom & Jerry aren't a good
# source for 'Stopping Power' anecdotals...<g>
#
# Putting more ballistic mass on target was indicated; 'yo mama'
# perhaps...<G>
Have you considered dropping an anvil on them?
Or a piano?
Or a safe?
(in keeping with the "Tom and Jerry" theme that seems to have developed...)
:-)
Bill VH
writes:
#
#Have you considered dropping an anvil on them?
#Or a piano?
#Or a safe?
#(in keeping with the "Tom and Jerry" theme that seems to have developed...)
#
Mix iron filings with his peanut butter and get one of those Acme Super
Power Magnets.
Bill Van Houten (USA Ret)
Thermopylae had it's messenger of defeat, COME AND GET THEM !
The Alamo had none.
Bill VH
<shey...@MyRealBox.com> writes:
#
#Got cats. They stay outside. If I let them inside they will scratch
#the furniture and jump around on things and knock everything down and
#break things. Tried that and that is what they always do.
#Sam Heywood
#-
There was a cat at my house once. I didn't like him and he didn't like me.
I didn't feed him and he ran away from home.
Bill Van Houten (USA Ret)
Thermopylae had it's messenger of defeat, COME AND GET THEM !
The Alamo had none.
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Does a better cartoon masthead for the American Varmenter
exist...?...<G>
TK
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z_bumbi
Regarding those frozen paintballs, my recollection is that the first
paintguns used waterbased paint and that paint would freze.
Bjorn
R.M.R.
~~~~~~~
I know I'm getting in on the tail end of this and It's probably been
brought up already but how would one get the paint out of a ball that's
filled with paint.By poking a hole in it and draining/sucking out the
paint then inserting water in it could just blow the ball apart upon
ignition before it leaves the barrel.Could be a little messy,no.Wouldn't
a nice .22lr like a single six loaded with CB caps be more
practical.They are quiet and do kill those little pesky critters quite
quickly...
Ray,
(Si vis pacem,
para bellum) U.S.A.
R.M.R.
paintballs.
~~~~~~
Now there's a good one,freeze your balls.
Mike
#
ANYTHING freezes if you get it cold enough - water, alchol, oil, air.
Did you know that solid oxygen is slightly magnetic?
nick hull
Par...@webtv.net (R.M.R.) wrote:
# In response to Samuel W. Heywood post,
#
# ~~~~~~~
# I know I'm getting in on the tail end of this and It's probably been
# brought up already but how would one get the paint out of a ball that's
# filled with paint.By poking a hole in it and draining/sucking out the
# paint then inserting water in it could just blow the ball apart upon
# ignition before it leaves the barrel.Could be a little messy,no.Wouldn't
# a nice .22lr like a single six loaded with CB caps be more
# practical.They are quiet and do kill those little pesky critters quite
# quickly...
I've killed mice with wax loads (primer, no powder) in a .38 special
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shey...@myrealbox.com
On Tue, 2 Sep 2003 12:44:49 +0000 (UTC) nick hull <nh...@mindspring.com>
wrote:
> In article <bj0paf$ha2$1...@grapevine.wam.umd.edu>,
>Par...@webtv.net (R.M.R.) wrote:
># In response to Samuel W. Heywood post,
<snip>
>I've killed mice with wax loads (primer, no powder) in a .38 special
Excellent info! Thanks. I would not have supposed that a wax
projectile powered by only the blast of a primer could pack such
a wallop. I have never experimented with wax projectiles.
How do you load them? Do you just use the primed cartrige cases like
a cookie cutter by pressing them into an ordinary paraffin cake? What
kind of wax is the best to use, and how long should the wax cylinder
projectiles be? For determining the optimal length for wax cylinder
projectiles of various calibers, is there a generally accepted
rule-of-thumb formula, perhaps based on a constant to be multiplied by
the diameter of the projectile?
Sam Heywood
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Matt Russell
nick hull <nh...@mindspring.com> wrote:
# In article <bj0paf$ha2$1...@grapevine.wam.umd.edu>,
# Par...@webtv.net (R.M.R.) wrote:
#
# # In response to Samuel W. Heywood post,
# #
# # ~~~~~~~
# # I know I'm getting in on the tail end of this and It's probably been
# # brought up already but how would one get the paint out of a ball that's
# # filled with paint.By poking a hole in it and draining/sucking out the
# # paint then inserting water in it could just blow the ball apart upon
# # ignition before it leaves the barrel.Could be a little messy,no.Wouldn't
# # a nice .22lr like a single six loaded with CB caps be more
# # practical.They are quiet and do kill those little pesky critters quite
# # quickly...
#
# I've killed mice with wax loads (primer, no powder) in a .38 special
That's a great idea. I've got rats in the garage, and that might be a
good thing to try. Do you just use a primed case to "cookie-cutter" wax
out of a block of paraffin? Would canning wax work, or would it be
better to get some beeswax, melt it 1/2" deep into a pan and punch out
wax slugs with a jig?
Matt
SpiceScoot
original poster said he killed "mice" with wax loads. Mice are to rats as
Koalas are to Grizzley bears!
Joseph Oberlander
# That's a great idea. I've got rats in the garage, and that might be a
# good thing to try. Do you just use a primed case to "cookie-cutter" wax
# out of a block of paraffin? Would canning wax work, or would it be
# better to get some beeswax, melt it 1/2" deep into a pan and punch out
# wax slugs with a jig?
You'd want to use something with a higher melting point than beeswax,
and likely use a non-rifled gun as the wax is going to be hell to
get out of the barrel otherwise.
John Cowart
#
# Do you just use a primed case to "cookie-cutter" wax
# out of a block of paraffin?
No, it's too brittle and hard for that
# Would canning wax work, or would it be
# better to get some beeswax, melt it 1/2" deep into a pan and punch out
# wax slugs with a jig?
Just melt some canning wax or paraffin in a pan so that it is about 1/2"
to 3/4" deep, and set resized, UNprimed cases down in the liquid wax
mouth first. After the wax has cooled, twist each case in a circular
motion to break it loose from the surrounding wax, and then remove it,
and prime it normally. Add more wax to the pan, remelt, and repeat as
required.
Don't do this in one of your wife's good non-stick pans, as the sharp
case mouths may scrape the pan's finish.
If you are going to shoot these in a revolver, the primers may back out
and lock the cylinder up due to the lack of pressure. If that happens,
drill out the flash holes slightly, and keep those cases separate, for
use with wax loads only.
John Cowart
nick hull
Matt Russell <pir...@airmail.net> wrote:
# In article <bj23c1$me$1...@grapevine.wam.umd.edu>,
# nick hull <nh...@mindspring.com> wrote:
#
# # In article <bj0paf$ha2$1...@grapevine.wam.umd.edu>,
# # Par...@webtv.net (R.M.R.) wrote:
# #
# # # In response to Samuel W. Heywood post,
# # #
# # # ~~~~~~~
# # # I know I'm getting in on the tail end of this and It's probably been
# # # brought up already but how would one get the paint out of a ball that's
# # # filled with paint.By poking a hole in it and draining/sucking out the
# # # paint then inserting water in it could just blow the ball apart upon
# # # ignition before it leaves the barrel.Could be a little messy,no.Wouldn't
# # # a nice .22lr like a single six loaded with CB caps be more
# # # practical.They are quiet and do kill those little pesky critters quite
# # # quickly...
# #
# # I've killed mice with wax loads (primer, no powder) in a .38 special
#
# That's a great idea. I've got rats in the garage, and that might be a
# good thing to try. Do you just use a primed case to "cookie-cutter" wax
# out of a block of paraffin? Would canning wax work, or would it be
# better to get some beeswax, melt it 1/2" deep into a pan and punch out
# wax slugs with a jig?
I used canning wax mixed with 10% crisco to soften it, and "cookie
cutterred" it 1/2" deep with the unprimed case. Today I probably would
use rubber bullets. Rats are tougher than mice so just a primer might
not have enough power.
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Guess Who?
primer....
They'll go right trough a cardboard box at twenty feet....
Don
Jerry Houston
rubber ones that look like large airgun pellets, are a whole different thing
when fired from a pistol, as opposed to a revolver.
I used some of the rubber ones in a .38 snubbie once, to get a little extra
indoor practice. A towel inside a cardboard box behind the paper target was
a good enough backstop, and the bullets were easy to recover and reuse. I
got the bright idea to try the same thing in my 9mm Star BM, knowing that
I'd need to cycle it manually, but hell, any opportunity to shoot is better
than watching TV.
The first round went through the target, through the towel, through the box,
and through the lampshade about 10 feet behind it. Things get a lot
different when you remove that cylinder gap. Take care if you try the same
thing.
I've never tried wax bullets in a pistol, but I'll bet the results are very
similar. I'm dead certain they'd take out a mouse, if you could hit one
with it. (They tend to shoot a bit low, 'cause there's no recoil to lift
the barrel.)
"Guess Who?" <DonLa...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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# Speer makes plastic bullets, & cases, you just stick in a magnum
# primer....
# They'll go right trough a cardboard box at twenty feet....
Jon
A pistol shoots where you aim it. Aiming low is one way that some
people compensate because they anticipate the recoil and flinch,
jerking the barrel up when they pull the trigger.
SpiceScoot
#people compensate because they anticipate the recoil and flinch,
#jerking the barrel up when they pull the trigger.
Not so. While flinching may cause bullets to go high a pistol's sights are set
to allow for the fact that the recoil starts before the bullet leaves the
barrel. If you lay a large caliber pistol on the table and look at the sights
vs the axis of the bore you will see this plainly. LRK
Christopher Morton
# Excellent info! Thanks. I would not have supposed that a wax
# projectile powered by only the blast of a primer could pack such
# a wallop. I have never experimented with wax projectiles.
Speer also used to make a plastic bullet for indoor shooting with
primers.
--
More blood for oil... in my name!
Rainer B.
www.geocities.com/blowgunhunter/ then go to the mouse and shoot at
it.
You can even kill a rabbit like the one on
www.geocities.com/blowgunhunter/
so go to www.geocities.com/blowgunhunter/
raulhern...@hotmail.com
1) Instead of frozen paintballs or "water filled" balls just get a bag of "Mighty Reusable
Practice Balls" to shoot inside your home without the mess but all the "power". (They are sold
wherever you get your paintballs from).
2) Remember the real "firepower" from paintball markers comes from the amount of shots per
second, and not the power of a single shot! Use that against your opponents (human, animal or
zombies!)
Good hunting!