Remington 40X custom rifles
John Haas
I was thinking of buying a Rem. 40x rifle, but I'm not quite sure of
what to get it in. I was initially thinking about getting it in a
22-250, but a good friend of mine thinks that I should get it in a 6mm
BR. 6mm PPC has also been in the back of my mind. I guess I'm looking
for the most accurate round for varminting. Does anyone have any idea
of how these might compare.
Gryffin
In article <6gg9nl$4...@xring.cs.umd.edu>, John Haas <hob...@navix.net> wrote:
# I was thinking of buying a Rem. 40x rifle, but I'm not quite sure of
# what to get it in. I was initially thinking about getting it in a
# 22-250, but a good friend of mine thinks that I should get it in a 6mm
# BR. 6mm PPC has also been in the back of my mind. I guess I'm looking
# for the most accurate round for varminting. Does anyone have any idea
# of how these might compare.
"Most accurate" and "varmint" aren't really the same thing. The benchrest
rounds are very, very accurate, but not as high velocity, so they don't
hit as hard at longer range, and don't shoot nearly as flat. If your
varminting is only out to a couple hundred yards, the BR or PPC would work
great, but range estimation gets kinda dicey past that. The .22-250 shoots
a LOT flatter, which would give you a lot more "point blank" range.
--
Gryffin
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"Never attribute to malice that which can
be adequately explained by stupidity."
Ed Beckett
John,
I have both calibers. For a varmint rifle, I would pick the 22-250 hands
down. With 50 or 55 gr. Nosler Ballistic Tips the results are spectacular
out to 300-350 yards (Further if you are a great wind doper). The 6BR is
more inherently accurate but maxes out about 3400-3450 fps. Both would
work well but I like the speed of the 22-250 and the great explosions on
prairie dog size rodents. Doubles and triples are possible if the shots
are chosen strategically.
Since both are the same case head size(bolt face), you can get a 6BR barrel
chambered up and have an excellent switch barrel rifle for varmints and
accuracy work.
Ed
MrBowling
Well John, here's my suggestion. Buy a 40XBKS in 220 Swift. The 220 I got
last year is a tack driver. I load up some 55 gr Nosler BT's or V-Max's over
IMR4064 with a F210M primer and have a field day. All of my test loads are
under .75".
When you get a 40X you are getting the best (flame away guys !) production
rifle made. This is especially true if you are varminting. A good friend has
a 243 40XBKS (a clone to my 220) and he is screaming the 55 gr Noslers at 4100
fps and getting sub 1/2 inch accuracy. His best 200 yard target is .45"
!!!!!!!
Either will do well if you prep your brass properly and use good dies etc to
reload.
Best of luckj and email me if you have any other Q's.
Doug
Eric Dreher
On 9 Apr 1998 12:17:25 -0400, mrbo...@aol.com (MrBowling) wrote:
#Well John, here's my suggestion. Buy a 40XBKS in 220 Swift. The 220 I got
#last year is a tack driver. I load up some 55 gr Nosler BT's or V-Max's over
#IMR4064 with a F210M primer and have a field day. All of my test loads are
#under .75".
I hope you're talking over 100 yds. I've got a Remington 700 in
22-250 that prints 5/8" groups at 100 yds with factory ammo.
And it cost far less than a 40XB.
Eric D. Your First Amendment rights are in danger because
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Curtis Quist
Now that the Ruger 10/22 with a target barrel has been out for a while,
can someone tell me how accurate they are? I have thought about either
buying the standard one and haveing a new barrel put on it along with a
trigger job, or to purchases one of the 10/22T's and having the trigger
worked over. If I had a barrel put on one, I don't think it would be
one of the more expensive barrels ($200+) but probably one of the Butler
Creek barrels. Does anyone have any thoughts on this or any experiences
that might help me make my decision.
Thanks ahead of time
Curtis Quist
rutledge
Eric Dreher wrote:
#
# #Well John, here's my suggestion. Buy a 40XBKS in 220 Swift. The 220 I got
# #last year is a tack driver. I load up some 55 gr Nosler BT's or V-Max's over
# #IMR4064 with a F210M primer and have a field day. All of my test loads are
# #under .75".
#
# I hope you're talking over 100 yds. I've got a Remington 700 in
# 22-250 that prints 5/8" groups at 100 yds with factory ammo.
#
# And it cost far less than a 40XB.
Some of 'em will, some of 'em won't. The 40X you can count on when you
buy it. The 700 you gamble on when you buy it.
I'm a fan of Remington 700 varmint rifles ... but that's the reality of
the situation.
Tom
Eric Dreher
On 9 Apr 1998 19:40:04 -0400, rutledge <rutl...@sou.edu> wrote:
#Eric Dreher wrote:
## I hope you're talking over 100 yds. I've got a Remington 700 in
## 22-250 that prints 5/8" groups at 100 yds with factory ammo.
##=20
## And it cost far less than a 40XB.
#Some of 'em will, some of 'em won't. The 40X you can count on when you
#buy it. The 700 you gamble on when you buy it.
Well, I guess I'm lucky. This is my second 700 that does sub-MOA
with factory ammo.
#I'm a fan of Remington 700 varmint rifles ... but that's the reality of
#the situation.
Possibly, but with manufacturing processes improving along with
precision computer-controlled machinery, it could be that the
700's are closer to the 40XB's of the past.
A friend has a 40XB in 22-250 that does 3/8" groups with
a pet handload of his. It is impressive.
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Gordon Vorenkamp
Hi:
I have a 10-22t and a 10-22 with the Midway barrel and stock combo. My
interests are for up to 100 yard shooting. The Midway barrel is 2" shorter
than the 20" Ruger target barrel. At the range, at 100yards, the shorter
Midway Barrel point of impact is around 2" higher than the ruger barrel.
Accuracy is similar, so is the shorter barrel producing higher velocity with
the same ammo?
Gordon
Curtis Quist wrote:
# Now that the Ruger 10/22 with a target barrel has been out for a while,
# can someone tell me how accurate they are? I have thought about either
# buying the standard one and haveing a new barrel put on it along with a
# trigger job, or to purchases one of the 10/22T's and having the trigger
# worked over. If I had a barrel put on one, I don't think it would be
# one of the more expensive barrels ($200+) but probably one of the Butler
# Creek barrels. Does anyone have any thoughts on this or any experiences
# that might help me make my decision.
#
# Thanks ahead of time
#
# Curtis Quist
MrBowling
#Possibly, but with manufacturing processes improving along with
#precision computer-controlled machinery, it could be that the
#700's are closer to the 40XB's of the past.
Let's not forget that now remington has converted their line workers to piece
rate production......the 40X comes from the custom shop which is not piece
rate.
As for not being impressed with .75"....if you look it says that ALL of the
test loads have been under .75". My current load with the 55 gr Nosler prints
UNDER .4" consistently and the groups shrink when I load up the 52 gr Sierra or
Berger Match bullets.
My point was sub-1/2 moa with a load going warp 9. The gun shoots the 52's
better around 3600 fps but the 55's at 3900 + really do a job and keeping that
kind of accuracy is something to be proud of. This being especially true since
the gun is box stock (trigger pull et al included) and has had but a mere 150
rounds thru the barrel.
Just a clarification....
Doug
rutledge
Curtis Quist wrote:
#
# can someone tell me how accurate they are? I have thought about either
# buying the standard one and haveing a new barrel put on it along with a
# trigger job, or to purchases one of the 10/22T's and having the trigger
# worked over. If I had a barrel put on one, I don't think it would be
# one of the more expensive barrels ($200+) but probably one of the Butler
# Creek barrels. Does anyone have any thoughts on this or any experiences
# that might help me make my decision.
#
# Thanks ahead of time
#
# Curtis Quist
I do most of my shopping at a gunshop owned by a benchrest shooter,
catering to accuracy buffs. They've sold a few of the 10/22T
variations to some of their more fanatical accuracy nuts ... they're
reporting groups in the .25 to .3 inch range at 50 yards once the right
ammo for the particular gun has been found. I'm not sure how much
tinkering is involved, only the results the shooters report.
I think I gotta get one.
Tom
Eric Dreher
On 10 Apr 1998 10:29:01 -0400, mrbo...@aol.com (MrBowling) wrote:
##Possibly, but with manufacturing processes improving along with
##precision computer-controlled machinery, it could be that the
##700's are closer to the 40XB's of the past.
#
#Let's not forget that now remington has converted their line workers to piece
#rate production......the 40X comes from the custom shop which is not piece
#rate.
#
#As for not being impressed with .75"....if you look it says that ALL of the
#test loads have been under .75". My current load with the 55 gr Nosler prints
#UNDER .4" consistently and the groups shrink when I load up the 52 gr Sierra or
#Berger Match bullets.
#
#My point was sub-1/2 moa with a load going warp 9. The gun shoots the 52's
#better around 3600 fps but the 55's at 3900 + really do a job and keeping that
#kind of accuracy is something to be proud of. This being especially true since
#the gun is box stock (trigger pull et al included) and has had but a mere 150
#rounds thru the barrel.
I'll not fault the 40XB at all. The above criteria are a virtual
match for my 700. It has only 80 rounds through it, with one
factory load printing 5/8" groups. Considering the comparative
price, this rifle was a bargain. I am a happy camper.
Eric D. Your First Amendment rights are in danger because
'97 FLHR your Second Amendment rights are in danger.
HSB #6™ epdr...@worldnet.att.net
Clinton was Judge Wright's
FAQ - www.execpc.com/~jschwarz/rmhFAQmenu.html professor. He taught her well.
Clay Maugans
Gordon Vorenkamp wrote:
# Hi:
#
# I have a 10-22t and a 10-22 with the Midway barrel and stock combo. My
# interests are for up to 100 yard shooting. The Midway barrel is 2" shorter
# than the 20" Ruger target barrel. At the range, at 100yards, the shorter
# Midway Barrel point of impact is around 2" higher than the ruger barrel.
# Accuracy is similar, so is the shorter barrel producing higher velocity with
# the same ammo?
#
# Gordon
#
Possibly. The midway barrel may be less resistant or perhaps provide a better
gas seal yielding higher velocities. Also, it's possible that the midway
barreled gun is lighter (those 10/22T's are quite heavy), resulting in more
recoil during firing, raising the muzzle up some. My guess is the latter. On
top of all that, you may simply have your scope set differently on the Midway
barreld gun.
John Grove
Curtis Quist wrote:
#
# Now that the Ruger 10/22 with a target barrel has been out for a while,
# can someone tell me how accurate they are? I have thought about either
# buying the standard one and haveing a new barrel put on it along with a
# trigger job, or to purchases one of the 10/22T's and having the trigger
# worked over. If I had a barrel put on one, I don't think it would be
# one of the more expensive barrels ($200+) but probably one of the Butler
# Creek barrels. Does anyone have any thoughts on this or any experiences
# that might help me make my decision.
#
# Thanks ahead of time
#
# Curtis Quist
I have a 10-22T in stainless. It is twice as accurate as a regular 10-22
and a Marlin 60 (my only other comparisons). It shoots one ragged hole
at 50yds with Greentag and 10x and almost as good with Winchester
Wildcat (for half the cost!). Any ammo I've tried is under an inch at
50yds and the more expensive stuff is less than 1/2".
If it matters at all in your decision, the 10-22T will hold its resale
value and a modified 10-22 will be an iffy investment once you add the
aftermarket parts to equal a 10-22T. (barrel, stock, trigger)
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BJamesjr
# At the range, at 100yards, the shorter
#Midway Barrel point of impact is around 2" higher than the ruger barrel.
#Accuracy is similar, so is the shorter barrel producing higher velocity with
#the same ammo?
I seem to remember from long ago that .22LR ammo
produced the highest velocities from 16" barrels.
Skopje179
In article <6gmjee$i...@xring.cs.umd.edu>, epdr...@worldnet.att.net (Eric
Dreher) writes:
#I'll not fault the 40XB at all. The above criteria are a virtual
#match for my 700. It has only 80 rounds through it, with one
#factory load printing 5/8" groups. Considering the comparative
#price, this rifle was a bargain. I am a happy camper.
#
"comparative price" What is the average price of a Rem 40X in 22-250 verses a
Rem 700 in the same caliber?
Skopje
Eric Dreher
On 11 Apr 1998 21:04:13 -0400, skop...@aol.com (Skopje179) wrote:
#Considering the comparative
##price, this rifle was a bargain. I am a happy camper.
#"comparative price" What is the average price of a Rem 40X in 22-250 verses a
#Rem 700 in the same caliber?
I paid $620.00 for my 700. The last price I saw for a 40XB was about
four years ago. It was $1200.00 as I recall.
Fluid
Someone wrote:
#
# #...at 100yards, the shorter Midway Barrel point of impact is
# #around 2" higher than the ruger barrel...is the shorter barrel
# #producing higher velocity with the same ammo?
#
# I seem to remember from long ago that .22LR ammo
# produced the highest velocities from 16" barrels.
The "best" barrel length for .22LR ammo will vary with the ammo type, of
course. Subsonic will 'peak' at a different barrel length than will
high velocity or hyper velocity stuff. The velocity differences are
just not likely to be of a large enough magnitude to make this much
difference ( 2 inches ) on target at 100 yards.
Point of impact at 100 yards means nothing unless both barrels were
carefully zeroed at the same, shorter range. A minor 1/2-inch
difference in POI at 25 yards will cause a difference at 100 yards of 2
inches. The difference in 100 yard POI between the two barrels is more
likely to be due to small errorrs in zeroing than in the tiny velocity
differences due to shorter barrels.
Jay T
Steven Woas
I recently bought a Rem 40xbr from a pawn shop in 222 Rem Mag.
Although it has been very windy at the range, I have been having
trouble getting a consistant group of much less than .4 of an inch at
100 meters. Any suggestions? :>)
Steve
jrn
sw...@gate.net (Steven Woas) wrote:
#I recently bought a Rem 40xbr from a pawn shop in 222 Rem Mag.
#Although it has been very windy at the range, I have been having
#trouble getting a consistant group of much less than .4 of an inch at
#100 meters. Any suggestions? :>)
#
#Steve
#
#
Unless you are shooting over wind flags (at least 6 for 100 m),
AND know how to compensate (for that caliber, load, and wind), I'd say
that 0.4 inch isn't bad at all (5 shot groups, I assume.)
Shoot it again when you know the wind isn't affecting it. Please
report back to all of us then.
Lorne D. Gilsig
Steven Woas wrote:
#
# I recently bought a Rem 40xbr from a pawn shop in 222 Rem Mag.
# Although it has been very windy at the range, I have been having
# trouble getting a consistant group of much less than .4 of an inch at
# 100 meters. Any suggestions? :>)
#
# Steve
Rechamber it. 222 mag can be a very problematic cartridge. I have
heard negative comments about a small rifle primer getting uniform and
consistant ignition from a long colum of powder. this is why reloading
data often shows the use of magnum primers.
Lorne D. Gilsig
Charles Bartlett
John Haas wrote:
# I was thinking of buying a Rem. 40x rifle, but I'm not quite sure of
# what to get it in. I was initially thinking about getting it in a
# 22-250, but a good friend of mine thinks that I should get it in a 6mm
# BR. 6mm PPC has also been in the back of my mind. I guess I'm looking
# for the most accurate round for varminting. Does anyone have any idea
# of how these might compare.
Re: Greg from Bartlett Engineering John any thing in a 40 XB will be
wonderfully accurate, but their might be something else you need to
consider. With slower velocities and heaver bullets I would be concerned
that if my bullets missed their mark they might end up bouncing acrossed
the lone prarie rather than blowing up upon contact with the ground or
other objects. The 22 cal. bullets are best for small game because of
their ability to fragment easily. But the ultimate choice is yours. Enjoy.
Check out www.shootingrest.com
gwj...@gmail.com
at high velocity ( 50 - 55 grn) for example and consider the 75 grn. HORNADY
ELD in a 1 in 8" twist barrel. I like high B.C bullets that hold there velocity
over considerable distances compared to lighter bullets that shed speedfairly
rapidly. (Put the relevant date into the Hornady Ballistics Calculator and you
will see the difference) The slipperyer the bullet is through the air the
better. I love 22 Creedmoor. 3470fps mv.( 41.7 grns 2209 ( H4350) 2209 is
H4350. Still doing near 2500fps at 500 yards. 22/250 Ackley is good to. About
3350 in my rifle ( 75 ELD) 38 grns.RL17. Check it out. All the best with your
project.
pcm...@gmail.com
# #
# # Now that the Ruger 10/22 with a target barrel has been out for a while,
# # buying the standard one and haveing a new barrel put on it along with a
# # trigger job, or to purchases one of the 10/22T's and having the trigger
# # worked over. If I had a barrel put on one, I don't think it would be
# # one of the more expensive barrels ($200+) but probably one of the Butler
# # Creek barrels. Does anyone have any thoughts on this or any experiences
# # that might help me make my decision.
#
# I have a 10-22T in stainless. It is twice as accurate as a regular 10-22
# and a Marlin 60 (my only other comparisons). It shoots one ragged hole
# at 50yds with Greentag and 10x and almost as good with Winchester
# Wildcat (for half the cost!). Any ammo I've tried is under an inch at
# 50yds and the more expensive stuff is less than 1/2".
#
# If it matters at all in your decision, the 10-22T will hold its resale
# value and a modified 10-22 will be an iffy investment once you add the
# aftermarket parts to equal a 10-22T. (barrel, stock, trigger)
Try putting the Williams "Bullseye" sight on the Marlin -- it is ASTOUNDING!
Keep old front. I was astounded... i put a box of Hansen subsonic 22LR
into a group the size of a quarter on sandbags at 25 yards, and I was just
screwing around. I can't shoot buckhorn sights worth a hoot.