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Rick M.

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Jan 30, 2001, 12:06:08 AM1/30/01
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What is the difference between .308NATO and the 7.62x39 Russian?

Can they be interchanged?

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Jan 30, 2001, 8:30:43 AM1/30/01
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Absolutely not. .308 NATO is 7.62x51.


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Michael Loscalzo

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Jan 30, 2001, 8:31:40 AM1/30/01
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Totally.., totally different. The Nato round has a case 51mm long. Bullet
diameter is slightly different too. Two different animals and they CANNOT be
interchanged.

Chris Swanson

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Jan 30, 2001, 8:33:27 AM1/30/01
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"Rick M." <acla...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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# What is the difference between .308NATO and the 7.62x39 Russian?
#
# Can they be interchanged?
#

There's .308 Winchester, there's 7.62x51 NATO, and there's 7.62x39
Russian.
.308Win and 7.62x51 are *for the most part* the same. There are some
differences, which I'm sure someone else will post more accurately than
I can. 7.62x39 Russian is completely different and in no way compatible
with the other two.

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H. Bailey

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Jan 30, 2001, 8:43:05 AM1/30/01
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308Nato or 7.62 x 51mm. is 11 millimeters longer than the Russian round, has
more energy, more velocity, longer range, and IMHO is much more accurate and
better all around cartridge.
For the second question NO!!!! If you try this, you are inviting
disaster....
Safe shooting & Keem'em in the "X"....................
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Dean Speir

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Jan 30, 2001, 8:37:11 AM1/30/01
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Rick M. <acla...@yahoo.com> wrote...

# What is the difference between .308NATO

You mean, I believe, the .308 Winchester. It's the 7.62 X 51mm that's the
"NATO round," and they are externally indistinguishable.

# and the 7.62x39 Russian?

Considerable...

# Can they be interchanged?

NO!

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CONJAY

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Jan 30, 2001, 8:41:14 AM1/30/01
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do you mean the difference between .308" WIN & 7.62x51mm???

Franklyn Orfe
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John Kepler

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Jan 30, 2001, 8:41:46 AM1/30/01
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Let's see....totally different base diameter, 39mm case length versus a 51mm
case length for the .308, an operating pressure spec that's different by
nearly 20,000 psi, different diameter bullet, (0.311" versus 0.308").....and
those are just the highlights!
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You have GOT to be kidding!

John
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Chuck Bridgeland

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Jan 30, 2001, 7:34:27 PM1/30/01
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On 30 Jan 2001 00:06:08 -0500, Rick M. <acla...@yahoo.com> wrote:

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#What is the difference between .308NATO and the 7.62x39 Russian?

almost every dimension including diameter

#
#Can they be interchanged?
#

no.

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stoatman

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Jan 30, 2001, 7:34:38 PM1/30/01
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"Rick M." <acla...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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# What is the difference between .308NATO and the 7.62x39 Russian?
#

# Can they be interchanged?
#
# Rick

Lots!!! The 7.62mm nato has an almost straight sided, bottlenecked case 51mm
long with a bullet of .308" nominal diameter. 7.62x39 Russian is a tapered,
bottlenecked case 39mm long with a nominal .311" bullet.

P ROZA

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Jan 30, 2001, 7:35:10 PM1/30/01
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These are two very different cartridges. The 7.62 Nato (308 Winchester) has
a 51mm case length, and is ballistically similar to the 30.06, which is its
parent cartridge. It has a .473" diameter case head. This cartridge is
used in the FAL, G3, M-14, M-60, etc, as well as being used for big game
hunting.
The 7.62x39 cartridge is much less powerful, much shorter, and is used in
the AK, SKS, Mini 30, etc. It is sometimes used for light game, such as
coyote, but is primarily a sporting and martial cartridge. The Mini 30
shares the same .308 groove diameter as the 7.62 NATO firearms, but most
other firearms in this caliber, use a .310-.311" groove diameter.

Suffice it to say that they may not be interchanged.

Rick M.

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Jan 30, 2001, 7:43:44 PM1/30/01
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Thanks for all who answered my question. I was kind of sure that the Russian
round was not interchangeable but did not know the Winchester and NATO
rounds could be. I am glad I can ask knowledgeable people! Thanks again.

Rick

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sharps_shooter

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Jan 30, 2001, 7:35:40 PM1/30/01
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In article <955i40$5oh$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>,

"Rick M." <acla...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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# What is the difference between .308NATO and the 7.62x39 Russian?
#
# Can they be interchanged?

No single dimension is the same. Case length is different, case head
diameter, bullet diameter and weight, primer size. All are different.

No they cannot interchange.

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Sharps Shooter.


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Rob Jones

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Jan 30, 2001, 7:52:52 PM1/30/01
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Rick,

I believe you meant to type 7.62 x 54R - right? (I've never seen the
'R' appended to 7.62 x 39, but it does appear after 7.62 x 54 a lot).

In any case, even if you did mean to type 7.62 x 54R, those rounds are
not interchangable with .308 NATO, which measures 7.62 x 51. I've
seen it tried before, and it results in lots of failures to feed,
ejection problems, stuck casings, etc.

If you really did mean 7.62 x 39, then your question is akin to asking
"what's the difference between .380ACP and .38SPL", and the answer is:
"they are TOTALLY different cartridges and can never be interchanged".
The cartridge designators refer to the diameter of the base of the
bullet (7.62 mm) and the length of the case (39 mm, 51 mm, 54 mm,
etc).

Hope this helps.

Rob

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#What is the difference between .308NATO and the 7.62x39 Russian?


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#Can they be interchanged?
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#Rick


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Jussi Helin

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Feb 1, 2001, 8:47:24 AM2/1/01
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Rob Jones wrote in message <957nl4$dlv$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>...
#Rick,
#
#I believe you meant to type 7.62 x 54R - right? (I've never
seen the
#'R' appended to 7.62 x 39, but it does appear after 7.62 x 54 a
lot).

As you probably know, the R is used to indicate that the case is
rimmed.

AFAIK 7,62*39R doesn't exist.
.30-30 Wesson, .30-40 Wesson or .30 Herrett may come close, but
not enough. :)

JOH

Matthew Reese

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Feb 12, 2001, 12:49:07 PM2/12/01
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Only one way. NEVER try to put 7.62x39 in a 7.62NATO or .308Winchester gun,
but you can use either of the American cartriges in any 7.62x39 chambered
rifle. (just being a smartass, DON"T TRY IT!)

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