Not to start a war, but-lookin gfor reload recipes for Bullseye in 9mm
TheSnipe at anti-spamdotmindspringdotcom
anything in the way of load numbers for the Bullseye beyond a barely
useful one from the Alliant web site that offers:
Alliant Powder Bullseye Loads 9mm Luger 115gr Speer GDHP
Minimum OAL Bbl Primer Powder Charge Velocity
(inches) Length Weight
(grains) (fps)
1.125 4" CCI500 Bullseye 4.7g 1,144
Very lame info to me since I am not using such a narrow set of
components...Alliant's offer of a "one size" loading shown above just
doesn't do me any good. What would be the range that you others have
used for Bullseye 9mm loading ?
I'm using:
115g Winchester FMJ flatbase (open faced) bullets
Winchester Small pistol primers or Remington small pistol primers
(I have some of both and have never notice much difference between
them)
Assorted brands of brass (Win, R-P, PMC, FC, Speer, etc) (Yes-I
already know that mixed brass can lead to some issues with what charge
should be used for consistency of accuracy/velocity.)
I'm just setting up for general plinking rounds.
The Accurate #2 load book I have that is the same era as the powder I
have offers a nice range for the general bullet type and weight so I
can see the acceptable charge levels. (~4.3g to 5.1g) with expected
velocities - and yes I know that the high end can be higher than
what's shown, but I'm just looking for general use "factory standard"
ammo at the end of loading.
Is it better to Snipe or be Sniped ?
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Flash
At the risk of making a post that you may find only "lame" or "barely
useful" to you, I will venture that Lyman's 49th edition ( a source many of
us consider "vital" and "absolutely essential" ) lists 9mm 115 gr JHP (data
will apply equally to FMJ) Bullseye 3.5 gr, velocity 945fps, C.U.P
18,700 as a starting load. The MAXIMUM loading listed for Bullseye is 4.8
gr, 11894 fps, 31.700 C.U.P. The data obtained from a 4"barrel in a
universal reciever. This loading may or may not function well/safely for you
in your firearms and is not to be in any way construed as advice or
suggestion for you to load the same. Use all the normal precautions in
working up a load for yourself by consulting several reputable soources such
as loading manuals, powder manufacturers, bullet manufacturers, etc and
begin at the recommended "starting load" and work up in small increments
observing for signs of excessive pressure.
For what it is worth, I regularly load 6.8 gr of Accurate Arms No.5 powder
for my 9mm 115 FMJ load. It is consistent and accurate for me. This loading
may or may not function well/safely for you in your firearms and is not to
be in any way construed as advice or suggestion for you to load the same.
Use all the normal precautions in working up a load for yourself by
consulting several reputable soources such as loading manuals, powder
manufacturers, bullet manufacturers, etc and begin at the recommended
"starting load" and work up in small increments observing for signs of
excessive pressure.
The recommendation for "TITEGROUP" powder is 4.8 gr for the same load.
Many people declare this to be not only consistent and economical, but
highly accurate, as well. This loading may or may not function well/safely
for you in your firearms and is not to be in any way construed as advice or
suggestion for you to load the same. Use all the normal precautions in
working up a load for yourself by consulting several reputable soources such
as loading manuals, powder manufacturers, bullet manufacturers, etc and
begin at the recommended "starting load" and work up in small increments
observing for signs of excessive pressure.
The Lyman manual (current edition is "49th") is one of the best places to
begin looking for loads and charges. Many others swear by "The ABC's of
Reloading". Richard Lee's book is quite excelllent also. Speer, Hornady
and te other bullet manufacturers also publish books. These books are
generally available at bigger gunshops, Cabella's, Bass Pro, etc. These
will, or should be, your first source of reloading charges and data. Often
the powder manufacturers have free brochures available at the same gunstores
where you may buy their products. They are quite helpful as well. Do not
depart from already established limits, for to do so invites damage and
destruction.
Flash
sta...@prolynx.com
10% in powder weight and work up with the primers at hand. You don't
EVER use the listed load without doing same. There are always
variations in powder lots, primers and handgun internal tolerances.
Lee says start at 5 grains, not to exceed 5 grains with a 115 grain
jacketed, no primer make listed, no specific bullet make. Same thing
still applies, drop back, work up until functioning and accuracy
suits, not to exceed max listed load.
Stan
Long Ranger
You might try over at Beartoothbullets.com. They have the "Loadswap" forum
and there is a fair amount of different loads there. I agree that Alliant's
site is pretty weak.
The Bullseye data in my Hornady manual goes from 3.9 grains to 4.6 grains
behind a 115 grain bullet, for 1000-1150 FPS respectively.
Rubaiyat of Omar Bradley
Doug T
Of course all loads are done with one specific set of components, the
Accurate book just isn't telling. But when I downloaded a condensed
version of their reloading guide it also includes the bullet and primer
just leaving out the case. The Alliant reload recipe does state that it
is a max load not to be exceeded and to start 10% lower. Which is good
because the two loads I checked are above (with different components)
the Midway Loadmap max loads by a tenth or two. Of course all good
reloading books tell you that you can use different components than your
current recipe but always start at a 5-10% reduced load (with
exceptions) and work back up to the desired velocity.
Now with all that said. From the Midway Loadmap, with Win 115 gr FMJ,
Rem. case, and Win. WSP primer.
Alliant Bullseye
Starting load 3.5-3.7 gr @ 972-1012 fps
Maximum load 4.5 gr @ 1172 fps.
Doug T
TheSnipe at anti-spamdotmindspringdotcom
terms of a min-max range (although I think there is a typo in the max
area - 11894 fps seems a tad high ;> I'm supposing it is probably
meant to be 1184 or 1194 since the Alliant web site load showed
1144fps for 4.7g Bullseye.
Thanks for the info quote.
TheSnipe at anti-spamdotmindspringdotcom
loading starting point use.
TheSnipe at anti-spamdotmindspringdotcom
rod'ers though ;> seems they stopped posting new comments in
2008...wonder what happened.
Thanks for the link !
chuck smoko
I use stevespages.com for a load "sanity check". I stumbled on it via
Google. I also checked my Lee manual and they say 5.0g of bullseye.
Start w/ http://stevespages.com/page8a.htm for rifle and handgun loads
and drill down on bullet size and then cartridges.
Here's what he has for 9mm 115g (Bullseye From 3.5 grains to 5.1 grains)
http://stevespages.com/355p_4_115.html
chuck
zxcvbob
Bullseye is wonderful in 9mm. Alliant used to have a very good load
book, but they took it down when they updated (and ruined) their online
load data. Luckily I downloaded a copy. :-) After I get back from
church I'll post a link where I've uploaded it to THR.US, or you can
email me and I'll send you the PDF file.
(I'm currently using Bullseye with 135 grain cast lead bullets. It's a
pretty snappy load. I'll have to look up the details. When I run out
of the store-bought 135's, I'll start using my own cast 121 grain
bullets and have to work up a new load)
You do have to be very careful about bullet seating depth (which is
dependent on overall length and the bullet length) because 9mm is a high
pressure short cartridge, so small changes in seating can cause huge
changes in chamber pressure. That might be why there's so little load
data now.
Bob
zxcvbob
# Bullseye is wonderful in 9mm. Alliant used to have a very good load
# book, but they took it down when they updated (and ruined) their
# online load data. Luckily I downloaded a copy. :-) After I get back
# from church I'll post a link where I've uploaded it to THR.US, or you
# can email me and I'll send you the PDF file.
#
# (I'm currently using Bullseye with 135 grain cast lead bullets. It's
# a pretty snappy load. I'll have to look up the details. When I run
# out of the store-bought 135's, I'll start using my own cast 121 grain
# bullets and have to work up a new load)
#
# You do have to be very careful about bullet seating depth (which is
# dependent on overall length and the bullet length) because 9mm is a
# high pressure short cartridge, so small changes in seating can cause
# huge changes in chamber pressure. That might be why there's so
# little load data now.
http://www.thehighroad.us/showthread.php?p=4723105#post4723105
And I looked up my current 9mm load data (Warning, this is a maximum +P
load, so work up to it cautiously): Magnus Bullets #505, 4.5 grains of
Bullseye, whatever primer is handy, 1.155" overall length. I'm about to
have the trigger worked on and the hammer spring lightened on my BHP,
and when I do I will likely have to back off the powder to about 4.2 grains.
#
# Bob
Flash
Flash
RJM
> ...
Mike Venturio has published a load in a recent issue of Handloader
Magazine that he said was his best load in a Luger, a P-38, and in a
Browning High Power, 3.9 gr Bullseye + a 124 gr round nose lead
bullet. I haven't tried the load yet myself.
Gunny_2009
"chuck smoko" <csm...@cox.net> wrote in message
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# Snipe
# I use stevespages.com for a load "sanity check". I stumbled on it via
# Google. I also checked my Lee manual and they say 5.0g of bullseye.
#
# Start w/ http://stevespages.com/page8a.htm for rifle and handgun loads
# and drill down on bullet size and then cartridges.
#
# Here's what he has for 9mm 115g (Bullseye From 3.5 grains to 5.1 grains)
#
# http://stevespages.com/355p_4_115.html
#
# chuck
Ditto on Steve's pages. Great resource.