30 Mauser VS 30 Tokarev interchangeable?
King Tut
I just purchase a Bolo Broomhandle, and it uses a 30 mauser cartridge, I =
thought I read that the 30 Tokarev was the same cartridge, only the =
russian designation. Does anybody know if you can use the Tok in a =
Mauser Broomhandle? and if so is it safe?
Thanks in advance.
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too hot for the M-96 Mauser pistol.
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bevnsag
Depends on the make. I'd guess that the old Chinese 7.62x25 would be
okay as that is likely what Chinese broomhandles eat. However, some
European ammo is rather hot, intended for submachine gun use, and would
be dangerous in a Mauser. Technically the two cartridges are so close in
details that they are effectively interchangeable, but the various
loads, even for the same make, vary considerably. So, for example, even
the Fiochi 30 Mauser loads I'd consider towards the hot end for either
type.
Alan Atwood
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King Tut,
if you do, have your tomb ready. The dimensions are identical, but the
..30 Mauser is loaded to about 13,000 PSI, (I think) and the Tok is loaded to
30,000 PSI. The Czech '48 ammo intended for the CZ52 pistol is loaded to
40,000 PSI. CZ52 or Tok ammo will take a broomhandle apart where there
aren't any seams. You can buy brass and loading dies for the 7.62x25 and use
..30 Mauser loading data from Lyman to get the correct ammo, but I don't know
of anyone still loading .30 Mauser ammo to the correct pressure levels.
I saw a couple of boxes of Remington .30 Mauser on the shelf of a small
local hardware store several years ago for about $10 a box. I have been
kicking myself ever since for not buying it.
Alan
sharps_shooter
"King Tut" <fr...@nb.net> wrote:
#
# I just purchase a Bolo Broomhandle, and it uses a 30 mauser
cartridge, I =
# thought I read that the 30 Tokarev was the same cartridge, only the =
# russian designation. Does anybody know if you can use the Tok in a =
# Mauser Broomhandle? and if so is it safe?
Nope. Not safe. The 30 Mauser is loaded to lower pressures and
velocities, and it would not be a good idea in the older guns to shoot
the modern 30 Tok.
Regards,
Sharps Shooter.
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Before you buy.
Art Dulin
ammo in it for several years. No Probs. I get mine out of shotgun news and
it shoots great. Now I need some .25 auto that is a better than the down
loaded American crap. The US companies load the stuff so lightly that the
..25 can be seen in flight!. I'd like to find some good kraut stuff. I used
to have some and it really smoked outof my little LigNose einhand .25.
dbarc...@my-deja.com
got one awhile back, but am waiting to put a replacement bolt stop on
and replace the springs - perhaps you should too. Use only 7.63 Mauser.
In article <9071ub$e2b$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>,
"King Tut" <fr...@nb.net> wrote:
#
# I just purchase a Bolo Broomhandle, and it uses a 30 mauser >
#cartridge, I thought I read that the 30 Tokarev was the same >
#cartridge, only the russian designation. Does anybody know if you
#can use the Tok in a Mauser Broomhandle? and if so is it safe?
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KYRIEELLIS
#I just purchase a Bolo Broomhandle, and it uses a 30 mauser cartridge, I
#thought I read that the 30 Tokarev was the same cartridge, only the
#russian designation. Does anybody know if you can use the Tok in a
#Mauser Broomhandle? and if so is it safe?
The short answer is:
"Yes, but it may not be safe to fire in a C96 Mauser".
Don't you just love clear and unambiguous answers <g?> The long answer
requires a little history...
The Imperial Russians fell in love with both the 7.63 Mauser cartridge (aka
.30 Mauser) and the Mauser Military Pistol, and were one of Mauser's best
customers for same. The October Revolution did not change this fondness for the
C96 and the 7.63 Mauser cartridge (it is said a C96 was one of the firearms
used in the murder of the Tzar and the Royal Family), and both pistol and
cartridge remained in general use in the early years of Communist rule.
In the late 1920's, the Soviets made the decision to replace the standard
issue Model 1895 Nagant revolver with a self-loading pistol. A requirement for
this new pistol was that it be chambered for the 7.63 Mauser cartridge and the
pistol selected in the 1928-1929 pistol trials was the Tokarev pistol.
Upon adoption, Tokarev's pistol was designated the "TT-30" and its cartridge
was designated the "7.62 Tokarev Pistol". The TT-30 design was modified in the
1931-1932 time frame to simplify production, and this modified pistol was
designated the "TT-33".
This is a subject covered by Fred Datig in his "Soviet Russian Tokarev 'TT'
Pistols and Cartridges 1929 - 1953".Here is a quotation from page 131 that may
be of some interest, "As has been mentioned in Chapter Four, to quote, 'in
1929, the designers Korovin and Prilutskiy converted (redesigned) their
(prototype) pistols to the 7.62mm caliber caliber cartridge (after) the
Artillery Committee proposed developing them for the 7.63mm caliber Mauser
(pistol cartridge …"
"Except for that which one may consider manufacturing tolerances, the 7.62
mm Tokarev and the 7.63 Mauser pistol cartridges are relatively identical and
interchangeable."
This has also been covered in Jane's "Ammunition Handbook" thusly:
"7.62 x 25 mm
Synonym. 7.62 mm Tokarev; 7.62 Soviet pistol; Russian; 0.30 Mauser; 7.63 x 25mm
Armament
Tokarev TT33 automatic pistol; various obsolete Soviet sub-machine guns (PPD,
PPSH, PPS); Chinese Type 85sub-machine gun and Type 80 pistol. Most pistols and
steel sub-machine guns chambered for the 7.63 mm Mauser cartridge will probably
operate satisfactorily with this round and vice versa.
Development
This cartridge actually began life as the 7.63 mm Mauser automatic pistol
cartridge. It was taken into use by the Russian forces in the early 1900s and
the pistol remained popular with the Bolshevik armies, one model being produced
specifically for the Soviet As a result manufacture of the Mauser cartridge
began in Russia, and when in due course the Tokarev automatic pistol was
developed, it was designed around the Mauser cartridge. For manufacturing
convenience the barrel of the Tokarev was 7.62 mm calibre, thus the Soviet
cartridge lost its Mauser designation and became known as the 7.62 mm Tokarev.
The dimensional differences between the Soviet round and the original Mauser
specifications are minute and largely due to the manufacturing processes. It
can therefore be expected that any weapon originally using the Mauser
cartridge will work with the Soviet pattern and vice versa. This cartridge has
been manufactured in China and various countries of the former Warsaw Pact, but
always to the Soviet specification. The Chinese pattern (below) is stated to be
for the automatic pistols Type 54 sub-machine guns and Type 80 and for the Type
85 light sub-machinegun. Like the 7.63 x 25 mm cartridge from which derived,
the 7.62 x 25 mm performs very well against 7.62 soft body armour and light
metal, such as automobile bodies.
Description
The case is rimless and bottlenecked. The standard ball bullet is round-nosed
and lead cored with a steel jacket.
Specifications Ball Type P
Round length: 34.56 mm
Round weight (nominal)- 10.65 g
Case length: 25.14 mm
Rim diameter: 9.91 mm
Bullet diameter, 7.82 mm
Bullet weight: 5.57 g
Muzzle velocity: 505 m/s
Muzzle energy: 709 J
Abridged ballistic table: 7.62mm Tokarev, 5.57g ball
Range Velocity Energy
0 m 505 M/S 709 J
10m 500 M/8 695 J
25m 496 mls 684 J
50 m 485 m/s 654 J"
So the answer is "yes, the 7.63 Mauser and the 7.62x25 are the same
cartridge".
But that's isn't the end of the story. While the 7.63 Mauser and the
7.62x25 cartridge are the same cartridge, it may *not* be safe to fire any kind
of milsurp 7.62x25 in a C96 and it may *not* be safe to fire all kinds of
7.62x25 ammunition in a Tokarev pistol. Here is why.
Eastern European Military 7.62x25
Most Eastern European military 7.62x25 is loaded to approximately the same
pressures as the 7.63 Mauser cartridge and *may* be safe to fire in a C96 which
is in sound mechanical shape. But there are several problems. Chief among these
problems is determining if a specific C96 is sound. I highly recommend that
anyone who has a C96 which they wish to fire have it checked out by either
Mentor Arms or Briklee trading company. If problems are found have them
corrected, or hang the pistol over the mantle.
Even if a C96 is in shootable shape, there are potential problems with
milsurp ammunition. Ammunition may be sold as surplus for a number of reasons.
7.62x25 ammunition of recent manufacture which has been sold just because it
was in excess of current or anticipated need is generally fine to fire in a
C96. But ammunition which has been sold because it was overage or had become
unreliable due to improper storage should *not* be considered safe to shoot in
any firearm, especially a C96. Such ammunition may generate pressures that are
excessive in any handgun. We have had reports of Eastern European milsurp
7.62x25 ammunition developing muzzle velocities well in excess of what one
would normally expect from 7.62x25 (with some reported muzzle velocities in
excess of 1600 fps!). This is a strong indicator this ammunition is unsafe to
fire, regardless of the firearm.
So the problem here is that it is usually impossible to tell *why*
ammunition was sold off. It is possible to make an educated guess at why a
specific lot of ammunition was sold as milsurp by considering the country of
origin and the head stamp date. But remember that this is, at best, a guess. My
best advice is don't shoot any ammunition in any pistol if you have any doubts
about the condition of either.
Czech 7.62x25 ammunition
The Czech ammunition may be a special case. It is reported In Ezell's
"Small ares of the World" that the Czech "M48" ammunition loaded specifically
for the Vz-52 pistol was "20% hotter" than the standard Soivet M30 7.62x25. It
is not known how much of this ammunition may have been produced, whether all
Czech 7.62x25 ammunition made between 1952 and 1955 was loaded to this higher
pressure, or what all of the head stamps applied to this ammunition may be.
It's not even known for sure that any Czech M48 ammunition actually exists.
The only M48 to which I can find a reference in Czech sources is an
experimental 9 m/m Luger cartridge, intended for use in a pistol that never
advanced past the prototype stage. In the absence of solid information, use of
Czech ammunition in any pistol other than the Czech Vz-52 is probably a bad
idea.
ChiCom 7.62x25 ammunition
The ChiCom 7.62x25 ammunition is a little different story. The vast
majority of the ammunition is not "military surplus" in the normal sense of the
phrase. Rather it is current military production ammunition which has been sold
commercially for hard currency. As such, it would usually be considered safe to
fire in any pistol chambered for the 7.62x25 or the 7.63 Mauser, providing that
the pistol in question was in sound mechanical condition.
But there is a fly in this ointment too. I have found the ChiCom 7.62x25 to
be inconsistent in terms of recoil and muzzle blast (and by implication,
chamber pressure). The vast majority of the rounds of Chicom 7.62x25 I've fired
were indistinguishable from 7.63 Mauser. But every once in a while there will
be a round with an unusually large muzzle flash and a perceptibly higher felt
recoil. If this muzzle flash/felt recoil do indicate a higher pressure, these
rounds might well damage a C96.
Mentor Arms (which does a lot of C96 rehab work) used the Chicom ammunition
to test fire their pistols and recommended its use up until a year or two ago.
They stopped doing so when they began receiving pistols sent in for repair
which had been damaged by the Chicom ammunition. Mentor now recommends that
ChiCom ammunition *not* be used in C96's.
That's the story, and I'm sorry to be so long winded. The bottom line to
all of this comes in 3 parts:
1) the 7.63 Mauser and the 7.62x25 cartridges may be considered
interchangeable,
2) while most Eastern European military 7.62x25 is suitable for use in a C96
Mauser, some is not, and
3) it can be next to impossible to tell the difference between which 7.62x25
ammunition is suitable for the C96 and which is not.
My bottom line recommendation is to fire only ammunition which is head stamped
"7,63 Mauser" or ".30 Mauser" in a C96 chambered for the 7.63 Mauser. And even
then use caution, as there is a lot of very old 7,63 Mauser out there. After
all, it's been in production for over 100 years :-)
If anyone is interested, the following sources provide information on
either/both the TT pistols and the 7.62x25 cartridge:
"Small Arms of the World", Ezell
"Pistols of the World", Ezell
"Soviet Russian Tokarev 'TT' Pistols and Cartridges 1929-1953", Fred Datig
Jane's "Ammunition Handbook"
Aren't you glad we all took up the simple hobby of C&R firearms <wry
smile>?
Regards,
Kyrie
Gandalf
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It depends. If you look up in reference books the 'standard loads' for the C-96
and the Tokarev, the C-96 actually used a hotter load; I forget the numbers, but
it was enough so that you wouldn't want to shoot much of it in a Tokarev,
especially an older one. That being said, 7.63x25 ammunition is like 9mm
ammunition: it's loaded to all levels of power. Some is safe to shoot in your
older S&W Model 39, and some 9mm was made for submachine guns and would be too
hot for almost all 9mm handguns. Same goes for the 30 Mauser ammunition: the
Chinese and Russians, and other Warsaw pact countries, chambered sub machine
guns for this cartridge, and it would *not* be safe for your gun. Somehow, and I
can't tell you how, you'll have to find out how hot ammunition is before you
shoot much of it. Keep in mind your C-96 is an antique, and likely not as strong
as when it was new. This is not a gun you want to put a lot of rounds through.
The C-96 design is quite complicated, with many small, and possibly easily
broken, parts. On the bright side, due to the millions made, used parts are
plentiful from The Gun parts Co.; and possibly Sarco, also. good luck with your
Mauser; it is definitely one of the neatest semiautos ever made!
Laissezfirearm
#Nope. Not safe. The 30 Mauser is loaded to lower
#pressures and velocities, and it would not be a good
#idea in the older guns to shoot
#the modern 30 Tok.
*SOUNDS* like a candidate for the "Mexican Match"
treatment.
Pull the bullets, dump the powder, add an appropriate
amount of commercial powder to create an acceptable
.30 Mauser load, and re-insert and crimp the bullets.
(Watch out for stab-crimped bullets . . . )
Use Boxer brass, if you can find it, to save time.
Peter H. Proctor
#From: "Art Dulin" <artd...@inwave.com>
#Subject: Re: 30 Mauser VS 30 Tokarev interchangeable?
#Date: 2 Dec 2000 09:54:53 -0500
#I've got a Mauser broomhandle and I've been shooting the 7.62x25 tokarev
#ammo in it for several years. No Probs. I get mine out of shotgun news and
#it shoots great. Now I need some .25 auto that is a better than the down
#loaded American crap. The US companies load the stuff so lightly that the
#..25 can be seen in flight!. I'd like to find some good kraut stuff. I used
#to have some and it really smoked outof my little LigNose einhand .25.
Try Fiocchi 25 cal. It shoots consistently out of all of my mousegun
collection, some of which has trouble with hard primers, etc. on other
brands. Allegedly, it is also a little hotter, tho this is a relative
term with this round. Magsafes, etc. are also a more potent ( and
expensive ) alternative.
Dr P
JOHN GARAND
#King Tut wrote:
#
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#King Tut,
# if you do, have your tomb ready. The dimensions are identical, but the
#..30 Mauser is loaded to about 13,000 PSI, (I think) and the Tok is loaded to
#30,000 PSI. The Czech '48 ammo intended for the CZ52 pistol is loaded to
#40,000 PSI. CZ52 or Tok ammo will take a broomhandle apart where there
#aren't any seams. You can buy brass and loading dies for the 7.62x25 and use
#..30 Mauser loading data from Lyman to get the correct ammo, but I don't know
#of anyone still loading .30 Mauser ammo to the correct pressure levels.
#
# I saw a couple of boxes of Remington .30 Mauser on the shelf of a small
#local hardware store several years ago for about $10 a box. I have been
#kicking myself ever since for not buying it.
#
#Alan
The 7.62x25mm is a renamed 7.63 Mauser. The Soviets simply stole the
cartridge and renamed it. Given that fact, the7.63 Mauser (.30
mauser) would seem to be significantly more than 13,000 psi as the
proper load results in a velocity between 1200 and 1400 fps (depending
on bullet weight more than any other factor). Lee lists "max load"
pressures as 24 to 25,000 cup (with PSI expected to be higher) for
both the Tok and Mauser. All loads listed in various reloading
manuals I have list the same loads for both cartridges. I have
chronographed some Polish 7.62 and it runs about the same as the 7.63
Mauser. I don't shoot Combloc surplus 7.62 in my 96 because it is
corrosive, not because it was loaded too hot. Besides, QA never was
a big deal with the Combloc countries.
Fiocchi still markets .30 Mauser loaded with an 86 grain FMJ. Not
cheap. Starline produces the brass in both headstamps for reloaders.
Most reloading manuals list loads for both (they are generally exactly
the same with a different title) with bullets from 85 grains to 100
grains. Cast bullets are available, as are moulds. Jacketed bullets
should be on the market by now, as many Mausers, Vz-52s, and Toks have
been imported in the last decade.
P ROZA
The Mauser cartrige may be safely fired in a Tokarev, but not the other way
around.
7.62x25 Czechs is NOT safe in either the Mauser of Tokarev TT, only in the
CZ52 pistol, and CZ 24 and 26 submachineguns.
Empty 7.62x25 brass may be trimmed .030 at the neck, to make it into 7.63
Mauser. The lengthened neck of the Tokarev cartrige was intended to prevent
proper chambering in the Broomhandle Mauser. Unfortunately, many of these
old guns have worn chamber throats that will allow the higher pressure round
to chamber. I load 7.62x25 Czechs, for my CZ52 to about 41,500 CUP. This
would be catastrophic in a Broomhandle.
JOHN GARAND
WROTE:
#The 7.62x25mm is a renamed 7.63 Mauser. The Soviets simply stole the
#cartridge and renamed it. Given that fact, the7.63 Mauser (.30
#mauser) would seem to be significantly more than 13,000 psi as the
#proper load results in a velocity between 1200 and 1400 fps (depending
#on bullet weight more than any other factor). Lee lists "max load"
#pressures as 24 to 25,000 cup (with PSI expected to be higher) for
#both the Tok and Mauser. All loads listed in various reloading
#manuals I have list the same loads for both cartridges. I have
#chronographed some Polish 7.62 and it runs about the same as the 7.63
#Mauser. I don't shoot Combloc surplus 7.62 in my 96 because it is
#corrosive, not because it was loaded too hot. Besides, QA never was
#a big deal with the Combloc countries.
Newly received information requires a revision of my post.
Just received my new Accurate Arms Loading Guide #2. With the numbers
of CZ-52s imported, AA decided to develop new load data for the 7.62 x
25mm. They state that they tested various military ammunition and the
S&B commercial ammo to arrive at their new pressure limit. The have
upped the pressure limit from 25,000 CUP to 42,000 CUP - though they
warn:
"We feel that the maximum loads shown here are suitable for the CZ-52
so long as the firearm is in good condition. Other models of foreign
handguns of lesser quality should probably be loaded in a more
cautious manner."
Starting loads are essentially 7.63 Mauser max loads. A reading of
the caution leads to the conclusion that AA is not particularly
comfortable with recommending anything more than 7.63 Mauser loads for
pistols other than the CZ-52.
jimb...@my-deja.com
expand any better than the low-velocity US ammo.
As for Mauser/Tokarev: The Russians might've loaded the Tokarev ammo
hotter than is good for the old Mausers, but I think it's a matter of
the pistol's condition. The last Russian ammo in that caliber that I
bought came in stripper clips. Correct me if I'm wrong guys (and I know
somebody will think so) but you don't need stripper-clips to load a
Tokarev mag, only the Broomhandle. It figures then that this ammo is
INTENDED for use in the Mauser C96.
harr...@my-deja.com
I have 2 7.62X25`s. One is a chec. CZ-52 and one a NAVY ARMS Tokarev.
My problem is if I shoot CHINESE copperwashed ammo the 52 will ignite
the primer and fire ok, but the tokarev`s firing pin will only indent
the primer but not set the primer off. Firing pin seems ok. Any
ideas ?? Thanks harry5551
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P ROZA
<harr...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:91eb9s$res$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> ...
Try using Sellior & Bellot 7.62x25 ammo. It will fire reliably in both
firearms. It is a little hot, but not dangerous, for the Tokarev, and a
little light for the CZ52.
Remember that the CZ52 was designed to function perfectly with high pressure
loads, and to function somewhat less reliably with the standard Tokarev
loads.
If you ever decide to start handloading, be sure to keep the ammo for your
CZ52 away from the Tokarev. The Tokarev max pressure is much lower than the
43kcup max of the CZ.
P ROZA
circumstances. .30 Mauser is about 15kcup. 7.62x25 Czechs is 42kcup.
7.62x25 Tokarev is around 25kcup.
KYRIEELLIS
<RO...@HOME.COM> writes:
#I almost forgot. DO NOT shoot CZECH ammo in a broomhandle Mauser under any
#circumstances. .30 Mauser is about 15kcup. 7.62x25 Czechs is 42kcup.
#7.62x25 Tokarev is around 25kcup.
Absolutely no offense intended, but wherever these pressures came from they
couldn't be more wrong :-(
The 7.63 Mauser (aka .30 Mauser) and Soviet Russian M30 (7.62x25) are
essentially identical and interchangeable. The Soviets adopted the 7.63 Mauser
as the "M30, 7.62 Tokarev Pistol" cartridge in 1930. C.I.P MAP pressures for
the 7.63 Mauser are about 37,000 CUP.
References to the "Czech M48 7.62x25" cartridge appear to be apocryphal. The
only Czech "M48" cartridge on which I've been able to find mention is from
during the abortive Czech attempt to adopt the 9 mm Parabellum cartridge as
their standard pistol/sub-machinegun cartridge in 1948. Here is a bit of
history that may help put this into perspective.
Following World War Two the Czechs found themselves without an acceptable
military sidearm. They began development of a sidearm, and in the interim used
whatever pistols were available (including the Vz.24, Vz.27, Vz.38, and even
the Walther P.38 under the nomenclature "Vz.46"). The new pistol was to be
chambered for the 9 mm Parabellum cartridge.
In 1948 Ceska Zbrojovka submitted the CZ 482 chambered for the M48 9 mm
Parabellum, and this pistol seemed to hold promise. Perceived deficiencies were
noted and solved by Ceska Zbrojovka, resulting in the CZ 491 (also chambered
for the M48 9 mm Parabellum). However by this point in time the Czech Republic
had essentially been taken over by a Socialist government and that government
was under great pressure from the Soviet Union to adopt the Soviet M30 7.62x25
pistol cartridge as the Czech standard pistol/sub-machinegun cartridge. The M49
9 mm Parabellum cartridge was abandoned, and Ceska Zbrojovka was directed to
redesign the CZ 491 to fire the Soviet M30 cartridge. They did so during the
period 1950 - 1952, resulting in the CZ 513. The CZ 513 was adopted in 1952 as
the Vz.52.
With all of that said, I do not recommend firing milsurp 7.62x25 in a C96.
Ammunition may be sold as surplus for a number of reasons. 7.62x25 ammunition
of recent manufacture which has been sold just because it was in excess of
current or anticipated need is generally fine to fire in a C96. But ammunition
which has been sold because it was overage or had become unreliable due to
improper storage should *not* be considered safe to shoot in any firearm,
especially a C96. Such ammunition may generate pressures that are excessive in
any handgun. We have had reports of Eastern European milsurp 7.62x25 ammunition
developing muzzle velocities well in excess of what one would normally expect
from 7.62x25 (with some reported muzzle velocities in excess of 1600 fps!).
This is a strong indicator this ammunition is unsafe to fire, regardless of the
firearm.
I hope this helps clarify the situation.
Best regards,
Kyrie
P.S. For those interested, here is a bit of a bibliography that makes
interesting reading on the subject:
"Czech Firearms and Ammunition", by Dolink, Karlicky, and Vacha
"Soviet Russian Tokarev 'TT' Pistols and Cartridges 1929-1953", Fred Datig
Jane's "Ammunition Handbook"
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JOHN GARAND
#
# I have 2 7.62X25`s. One is a chec. CZ-52 and one a NAVY ARMS Tokarev.
#My problem is if I shoot CHINESE copperwashed ammo the 52 will ignite
#the primer and fire ok, but the tokarev`s firing pin will only indent
#the primer but not set the primer off. Firing pin seems ok. Any
#ideas ?? Thanks harry5551
As a guess, sounds like the Tok is a candidate for new springs.
harr...@my-deja.com
ammo is limited. I use Unique Powder and cast my own bullets.
I am using a .32 cal. bullet about 87 grains they mike around .310.
Workes great. Only problem is my and some other 52s have a rough barrel,
like the military never cleaned them after shooting corrosive ammo.
Thanks Harry
harr...@my-deja.com
firing pin assembly is held in with a weird pin.Unlike a rollpin
(Tension pin) this one is slotted and driving it out with a punch will
damage the pin. NRA manual says to use a punch that has a -V- shape
ground into the tip to compress the pin before driving it out. Any
ideas where to get one of those or use an alternative method ?? Thanks
Harry
TN65X57
Where (what is the address for) are the sites for the Broomhandle ahd Tok?
LouisB
"Nosey minds want to know"
KYRIEELLIS
#There are sites for Nagants (1895), for Garands, for 1903s.
#Where (what is the address for) are the sites for the Broomhandle ahd Tok?
#LouisB
#"Nosey minds want to know"
Here you go :-)
[Mauser C96 Site]
http://www.northwest-denture.com/mauser1896/index.htm
[Mauser C96 a.k.a. "Broomhandle" FAQ]
http://www.recguns.com/IIIC2m1.html
[Mauser C96 commercial site - CMR International]
http://www.btinternet.com/~cmr.international/catalog.htm
[Tokarev (Melchar)]
http://w3.one.net/~melchar/tokarev/
[Tokarev (Russian) TT33 Pistol]
http://www.surplusfirearms.com/
[rec.guns TT-33 FAQ]
http://www.recguns.com/IIIC2v1.html
[another TT-33 site]
http://users.supernet.com/roo67/index.htm
[another TT-33 site]
http://www.rt66.com/~korteng/SmallArms/tt_33.html
[another TT-33 site]
http://users.supernet.com/roo67/index.htm
Hope these help!
Best regards,
Kyrie