6.5x55 Swedish Mauser
mcka...@maroon.tc.umn.edu
bunch (15 or 20) of them. Both M96 and M38. Even one M96/38. I got a 96,
made in 1915 at Carl Gustafs Stads Gevarsfactori. The metal disk in the
butt stock has bore quality marked as #1, and the bore looks great as far
as I can tell. M96 tagged at $119. M38 tagged at something like $160. I got
the 96 for $100 tax included, which is exactly what I came expecting to
pay. Withdrew the cash from the bank Wednesday for it.
Some of the rifles had the threaded barrel - even some of the 96s had
that. I picked one without. Good stock. All serial numbers match. Even on
the barrel bands. One I almost got had mismatched bands, then I looked
closer and saw the stock was cracked slightly. Whew! Glad I caught that.
The M96 is Sturdy. Solid. Not bulky. It's 49.6" total length, which isn't
long at all. It's very balanced in the hand. Very nice feel to it. Check
these babys out guys!
Now. Is there anything I should know about this gun? It cocks on closing, I
see. The saftey is on when the tab is up or all the way to the right.
Is it important to turn it all the way right, or is up enough? How does
this fold up sight work? If I slide the thing up even half way I don't see
how I can line it up with the front sight, the back sight is so high.
Explain to me how to use it.
He didn't have any clips for it. I guess one just pushes in the shell, like
was mentioned long ago in this thread. I bought a box of PMC 139gr. PSP
ammo for $13 just to have some. He was out of the Swedish surplus stuff. I
see SOG has some for $5.95/20 rnd box or 40 boxes per case @ $5.50/box.
146gr. Boatail. Is this stuff good enough for target shooting? I can order
ammo direct from SOG can't I, without FFL?
Anything else I oughta know? It's safe to clean it with the included rod, I
presume. But how'm I supposed to grip it?
Also. I want a sling. I'm thinking of the Turner Saddlery tactical rifle
sling sold by Dillon for $38.95. The three slings sold by them are all the
same aren't they, just different color? Tactical is black. National match
in either brown or natural. Or is there an offical Swedish Mauser sling
type I can get somewhere? I'm going to end up paying nearly as much for a
sling and Boyt Case as I did for the rifle! Gotta have the best, though.
DNM
mcka...@maroon.tc.umn.edu
I just cleaned up the outside of this gun. Got the grease off and put on
CLP. When I took out the cleaning rod and compared it to the length of
the barrel, I discovered that it isn't long enough and that the end that I
thought would hold the cloth is too large for the bore, at the front
anyway. So is it made to only go part way in from the breach? Does the
barrel constrict as it nears the front? What's going on here?
Also, what's this dohicky on the left of the receiver back by the bolt
handle? It's got a screw and some sort of raised thing with ridges in it.
This piece is serial numbered. AND how do I remove the dang bolt to clean
the barrel?
Can you tell this is my first bolt action rifle? :*>
One more thing. What's a good thing to use on the stock to clean it up
without stripping it, and to preserve it? I suppose the grease and grime is
doing a good job right now of waterproofing it. Should I just leave it as
it is? It's not bad, really. I was just thinking of sprucing it up a bit.
It's fun getting a new gun!
DNM
Bev Clark/Steve Gallacci
new commercial ammo is, the Milsurp loads are very fierce, compared to
Hansen, at least. So much so that I won't anymore of it through my AG42,
which likes a firmer load (Hansen is too weak to cycle the action). My
good shooting handloads are accurate and plesant, the milsurp is a
punishment. Fired through the lighter bolt guns, the milsurp could be a
terror.
Fehorse
writes:
#I went to the gun show specifically to find one. There was a guy selling
a
#bunch (15 or 20) of them. Both M96 and M38. Even one M96/38. I got a 96,
#made in 1915 at Carl Gustafs Stads Gevarsfactori. The metal disk in the
#butt stock has bore quality marked as #1, and the bore looks great as far
#as I can tell. M96 tagged at $119. M38 tagged at something like $160. I
got
#the 96 for $100 tax included, which is exactly what I came expecting to
#pay. Withdrew the cash from the bank Wednesday for it.
Fehorse@aolcom responds thusly:
Dealer paid $59.95 for the rifle. Probably paid about $7.00 to have it
shipped. If you are really interested in old rifles, consider getting a
Curios and Relics Federal Firearms License. Then you can order old
military rifles through the mail for yourself! Avoid the pesky mark-up!
Do the political protest thing by buying guns through the mail!
#Some of the rifles had the threaded barrel - even some of the 96s had
#that. I picked one without. Good stock. All serial numbers match. Even on
#the barrel bands. One I almost got had mismatched bands, then I looked
#closer and saw the stock was cracked slightly. Whew! Glad I caught that.
Only the later M96's have the threaded barrel. Let me guess, yours was
made after 1910, right?
#The M96 is Sturdy. Solid. Not bulky. It's 49.6" total length, which isn't
#long at all. It's very balanced in the hand. Very nice feel to it. Check
#these babys out guys!
#Now. Is there anything I should know about this gun? It cocks on closing,
I
#see. The saftey is on when the tab is up or all the way to the right.
#Is it important to turn it all the way right, or is up enough? How does
#this fold up sight work? If I slide the thing up even half way I don't
see
#how I can line it up with the front sight, the back sight is so high.
#Explain to me how to use it.
The "3" setting is a 300 meter battle sight. You should find that it
shoots pretty high at 100 meters. The sight is constructed so that you
basically aim at the human body about the waist or lower chest at from
point blank range to 300 meters and come close to hitting the person. It
is not made for real precise shooting although with better sights, M96
(with a good bore) is extremely accurate for a full dress military rifle.
#He didn't have any clips for it. I guess one just pushes in the shell,
like
#was mentioned long ago in this thread. I bought a box of PMC 139gr. PSP
#ammo for $13 just to have some. He was out of the Swedish surplus stuff.
I
#see SOG has some for $5.95/20 rnd box or 40 boxes per case @ $5.50/box.
#146gr. Boatail. Is this stuff good enough for target shooting? I can
order
#ammo direct from SOG can't I, without FFL?
Use U.S. Springfield 1903 stripper clips. They work just peachy! Yes you
can order ammo through mail without FFL. Remington has soft points for
6.5X55.
#Anything else I oughta know? It's safe to clean it with the included rod,
I
#presume. But how'm I supposed to grip it?
Not sure! I just use my regular cleaning rod!
#Also. I want a sling. I'm thinking of the Turner Saddlery tactical rifle
#sling sold by Dillon for $38.95. The three slings sold by them are all
the
#same aren't they, just different color? Tactical is black. National match
#in either brown or natural. Or is there an offical Swedish Mauser sling
#type I can get somewhere? I'm going to end up paying nearly as much for a
#sling and Boyt Case as I did for the rifle! Gotta have the best, though.
I just use a rope. Just kidding. None of my reference manuals include an
M96 with a sling, sorry.
#DNM
#Hi again.
#I just cleaned up the outside of this gun. Got the grease off and put on
#CLP. When I took out the cleaning rod and compared it to the length of
#the barrel, I discovered that it isn't long enough and that the end that
I
#thought would hold the cloth is too large for the bore, at the front
#anyway. So is it made to only go part way in from the breach? Does the
#barrel constrict as it nears the front? What's going on here?
Yeah, both of mine are like that too.
#Also, what's this dohicky on the left of the receiver back by the bolt
#handle? It's got a screw and some sort of raised thing with ridges in it.
#This piece is serial numbered. AND how do I remove the dang bolt to clean
#the barrel?
#Can you tell this is my first bolt action rifle? :*>
Yes! That is the bolt release. Standard on all Mauser designs. Retract
the bolt all the way back and then pull out on the raised part. Its a
lever thing that releases the bolt from the inside.
#One more thing. What's a good thing to use on the stock to clean it up
#without stripping it, and to preserve it? I suppose the grease and grime
is
#doing a good job right now of waterproofing it. Should I just leave it as
#it is? It's not bad, really. I was just thinking of sprucing it up a bit.
Seriously, I take my greased up military rifles, stock and all, to the car
wash and hose the shit out of them with hot soapy water. I have been
known to lightly boil bolts to get all the Cosmoline off of them.
Murphy's Oil Soap works pretty good on the stocks.
#It's fun getting a new gun!
Amen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#DNM
Panu Kolju
#On 6.5x55 Swedish ammo, while I don't know how frisky the PMC or other
#new commercial ammo is, the Milsurp loads are very fierce, compared to
#Hansen, at least. So much so that I won't anymore of it through my AG42,
#which likes a firmer load (Hansen is too weak to cycle the action). My
#good shooting handloads are accurate and plesant, the milsurp is a
#punishment. Fired through the lighter bolt guns, the milsurp could be a
#terror.
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...Have you tryed Finnish Sako/Lapua ammo with it?
Panu
C...@vm.urz.uni-heidelberg.de
<mcka...@maroon.tc.umn.edu> writes:
#When I took out the cleaning rod and compared it to the length of
#the barrel, I discovered that it isn't long enough
Yes. This is usual with almost all military bolt-actions, and specifically
with Mausers. They were designed so that three (or four ?) cleaning rod
segments would make a common rod for several soldiers.
#Also, what's this dohicky on the left of the receiver back by the bolt
#handle? It's got a screw and some sort of raised thing with ridges in it.
#This piece is serial numbered. AND how do I remove the dang bolt to clean
#the barrel?
*Brooooooooooaad grin*. You answered your question yourself. Just put
together the two subjects you enquired about. Et voila'. :-))
Regards,
Alexander Eichener
C...@vm.urz.uni-heidelberg.de
<mcka...@maroon.tc.umn.edu> writes:
#see. The saftey is on when the tab is up or all the way to the right.
#Is it important to turn it all the way right, or is up enough? How does
Not enough. When the wing is only up, the action will open accidently at
even a slight brush. This alone is disconcerting. The bad thing is that,
once the bolt sliding out, there is no provision against a self-unscrewing
of the bolt-nut, which indeed _will_ take place, differently from the M 98
system. So, use the wing-up position _only_ for disassembly, which is what
is is designed for; you don't want your rifle to disassemble itself on the
range or on a hunting trip.
#Anything else I oughta know? It's safe to clean it with the included rod, I
Probably not. I think the road is too short. Or isn't it ?
Regards,
Alexander Eichener
Michael Kopplin
#<mcka...@maroon.tc.umn.edu> writes:
##When I took out the cleaning rod and compared it to the length of
##the barrel, I discovered that it isn't long enough
#Yes. This is usual with almost all military bolt-actions, and specifically
#with Mausers. They were designed so that three (or four ?) cleaning rod
#segments would make a common rod for several soldiers.
In the case of the Mauser's there is just one additional piece, about 7-8"
long which screws on to the end of the rod you have. I was told this was
only issued to the platoon leader, and therefore he would know who had
cleaned their gun by who borrowed it.
Mike
kop...@primenet.com
kop...@toxic.pharm.arizona.edu
Johan Eriksson
Hello!
I have one of the swedish amry intructor's book in which
they are describing 6.5x55 Swedish Mauser.
If you want i can make a copy of it and make a simple
translation to the picturetexts.
Are you interested send me mail before the 16 th this months
if you want the copy as soon as possible.
Your sincerly Johan Eriksson.
E-mail: d94...@nada.kth.se
MathDude
From: ko...@cc.lut.fi (Panu Kolju)
Date: 13 Dec 1994 12:09:52 -0500
Message-ID: <3ckkh0$7...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
Panu<<
Are the mausers strong enough to digest all that hi-power modern ammo? I
have one of the shorty rifles (M38, with a bent bolt), which was made in
'42.
=========================================================
Math...@aol.com
Mark Littrell
"I never met a gun I didn't like."
=========================================================
MathDude
even a slight brush. This alone is disconcerting. The bad thing is that,
once the bolt sliding out, there is no provision against a self-unscrewing
of the bolt-nut, which indeed _will_ take place, differently from the M 98
system. So, use the wing-up position _only_ for disassembly, which is what
is is designed for; you don't want your rifle to disassemble itself on the
range or on a hunting trip.<<
On mine, when the "wing" is up, the action is totally locked up. There
seems to be no difference between "wing up" and "wing to the left." Is
something broken, perhaps?
David Garrett
#
#Also. I want a sling. I'm thinking of the Turner Saddlery tactical rifle
#sling sold by Dillon for $38.95. The three slings sold by them are all the
#same aren't they, just different color? Tactical is black. National match
#type I can get somewhere?
Gun Parts Corp. sells original Mauser slings for much cheaper than $38.95,
along with all sorts of other Mauser accessories. I believe you also
mentioned you were looking for stripper clips; they also sell those.
Dave
J. Spencer
details than that. He's looking for a new stock, preferably not a
wooden stock. Any pointers to sources/prices?
--Jonathan
Dimitar Bojantchev
#On 6.5x55 Swedish ammo, while I don't know how frisky the PMC or other
#new commercial ammo is, the Milsurp loads are very fierce, compared to
#Hansen, at least. So much so that I won't anymore of it through my AG42,
#which likes a firmer load (Hansen is too weak to cycle the action). My
#good shooting handloads are accurate and plesant, the milsurp is a
#punishment. Fired through the lighter bolt guns, the milsurp could be a
#terror.
#
That's interesting. The last time I measured the velocity of the
Hansen 139 gr. semi-blunt tip rounds they were just slightly less
powerful than some of the traditional Swedish loads I've tried.
Have you played with the gas adjustment of the Ljungman AG-42 (does it
have one)? The Hakim (Egyption version of the AG-42 built on the
original Husqvarna machinery) has the gas adjustment device. Keep in
mind that a lot of the early semi-auto rifles were very pressure
sensitive and did require gas adjustments. The SVT-40 is notoriously
capricious with that and the primary reason why it was taken out of
production early on... The FN-49 is also very sensitive. The French
MAS-44/49 though is like the AK, nothings matters...
Dimitar
Fehorse
<J.M.S...@ncl.ac.uk> writes:
#Subject: [RIFLE] Stock needed for M98 in 6.5x55 Swedish
#From: "J. Spencer" <J.M.S...@ncl.ac.uk>
#Date: 16 Dec 1994 11:16:50 -0500
#Message-ID: <3croif$o...@whitbeck.ncl.ac.uk>
#A friend's just bought an M98 in 6.5x55 to play with. I have no more
#details than that. He's looking for a new stock, preferably not a
#wooden stock. Any pointers to sources/prices?
#--Jonathan
Fehorse responds:
Not to be picky, but I think your friend probably has either an M96 or an
M38 (M96 action with shortened barrel and a bent bolt handle) in 6.5X55
(it is possible that one of the great M98's has been rebarrelled in
6.5X55). Nevertheless, Century Arms, Cabelas, Gander Mountain, etc. all
have black plastic stocks for the M96 action.
Bev Clark/Steve Gallacci
#bev...@netcom.com (Bev Clark/Steve Gallacci) writes:
#
##On 6.5x55 Swedish ammo, while I don't know how frisky the PMC or other
##new commercial ammo is, the Milsurp loads are very fierce, compared to
##Hansen, at least. So much so that I won't anymore of it through my AG42,
##which likes a firmer load (Hansen is too weak to cycle the action). My
##good shooting handloads are accurate and plesant, the milsurp is a
##punishment. Fired through the lighter bolt guns, the milsurp could be a
##terror.
#-------------------------------------------------------------------------
#
#...Have you tryed Finnish Sako/Lapua ammo with it?
#Panu
I havn't tryied anything of the commercial domestic or imported ammo yet,
due to limited budget and lack of places to shoot. Only a couple of
formal ranges and they are inconvieniant and the open area I used to go
to is now closed.
Bev Clark/Steve Gallacci
system. I examined a batch of Hansen, wondering if there was something
wrong with it and found a 3 to 5 gr difference in powderload within a
batch of 20 rounds. Using factory powder from dissassembled loads, I made
some loads with up to 42 gr (from 35 gr) and still the action was iffy.
But when using factory charges with 160gr bullets instead of the 139 gr
factory bullets, things worked fine. Then later I loaded some AA powders
with pulled 139 gr bullets and they also worked fine.
I bought some Swedish(?) military surplus ammo and tried it through the AG42.
The recoil and muzzel blast was unplesant and the brass was damaged
beyound use during ejection(dented and torn rim).
While the milsurp ammo might be within limits, it is very unplesant to
use and I don't anymore.
I know of only one other AG 42 owner locally, and he didnot have trouble
with his gun and Hansen ammo, or so he said.