buying shotgun barrels on the Internet?

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H Snyder

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Nov 30, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/30/98
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Are there any online stores that would have a 20" barrel or so for my
Remington 870 express shotgun? Or just any good online gun part stores in
general? It seems that most just have a very limited number of items.

Thanks,

Harry

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Lungshot1

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Dec 1, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/1/98
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#Are there any online stores that would have a 20" barrel or so for my
#Remington 870 express shotgun?

Search on ebay. Barrels appear once in awhile. I found a ventilated rib 12 ga.
on ebay for a friend of mine. Cost $40.00

ED

Ragnar (no, not THE Ragnar)

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Dec 2, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/2/98
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Try mossberg.com

I don't know if they sell over the Internet, though.

Ragnar

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Mr Apol

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Dec 2, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/2/98
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Mossberg makes barrels for the Remington 870. Try their website--I think its
www.mossberg.com.

bob topper

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Dec 2, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/2/98
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What is "ebay"?

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Longvalley

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In article <741svg$k...@xring.cs.umd.edu>, lung...@aol.com (Lungshot1) writes:

##Are there any online stores that would have a 20" barrel or so for my
##Remington 870 express shotgun?
#
#Search on ebay. Barrels appear once in awhile. I found a ventilated rib 12
#ga.
#on ebay for a friend of mine. Cost $40.00
#
#ED
#

Are there any other dealers, online or not, who reliably stock a selection of
new (or used) shotgun barrels? For Remington and Mossberg. Slug barrels
appear plentiful at this time of year, but not longer ones. Barrels seem to be
a premium-priced part, compared to the cost of a new shotgun, from very limited
observation.

Lungshot1

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Dec 3, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/3/98
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#Re: buying shotgun barrels on the Internet?

#What is "ebay"?

AOL users type in keyword "ebay"
or enter www.ebay.com in the web address.

This is an internet auction serves. You can buy and sell. Best of all you can
search for the specific items that you are interested in.

The power of the computer to reach the right person.

ED

rolex...@my-dejanews.com

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Dec 8, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/8/98
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Ebay can be the worst place to get a great deal....millions of people can
put stuff on auction...what if you get rocks in a box what recourse do YOU
have! Thats right NONE.... There is a new auction house on the web....
http://www.internetauction.net They only deal with vendors who actually have
the merchandise and will deliver! Not some person who can give a fake name
/email and get permission to screw you on ebay.... think about that one..
Tell your friends and family to come and see a real auction house.
rolexbuyer.....

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ROLLNROCK

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Dec 9, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/9/98
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rolex...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
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# Ebay can be the worst place to get a great deal....millions of people > can put stuff on auction...what if you get rocks in a box what > > recourse do YOU have! Thats right NONE.... There is a new auction > house on the web....

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# the merchandise and will deliver! Not some person who can give a fake > name email and get permission to screw you on ebay.... think about that one..

snip

FYI - eBay provides links to two seperate third party vendors that will
serve as middlemen for your transactions...if you are concerned. No
risk at all. My experiences with eBay have been fine. It is a
terrific site.

Brian

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rolex...@my-dejanews.com wrote:

# Ebay can be the worst place to get a great deal....millions of people can

# put stuff on auction...what if you get rocks in a box what recourse do YOU
# have! Thats right NONE.... There is a new auction house on the web....

I think the whole auction thing sucks, period. Wouldn't buy or sell that
way.

J. Eric Townsend

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Dec 9, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/9/98
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rolex...@my-dejanews.com writes:

# Ebay can be the worst place to get a great deal....millions of people can
# put stuff on auction...what if you get rocks in a box what recourse do YOU
# have! Thats right NONE.... There is a new auction house on the web....


With the "feedback" system on ebay, it's easy for someone to decide
not to buy from a specific person based on their low rating, or lack
of rating.

I regularly buy and sell things on ebay and haven't been burned once.
Lots of people I know buy/sell on ebay and haven't been burned.

--
J. Eric Townsend jet at goonsquad.spies.com http://www.spies.com/jet
Socialist Gun Control: The Government buys guns for everyone.

Keith Hearn

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Dec 10, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/10/98
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In article <74m5gl$f...@xring.cs.umd.edu>,
ROLLNROCK <ROLL...@prodigy.net> wrote:
#rolex...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
##
## Ebay can be the worst place to get a great deal....millions of people > can put stuff on auction...what if you get rocks in a box what > > recourse do YOU have! Thats right NONE.... There is a new auction > house on the web....
#
#snip
#
## the merchandise and will deliver! Not some person who can give a fake > name email and get permission to screw you on ebay.... think about that one..
#
#snip
#
#FYI - eBay provides links to two seperate third party vendors that will
#serve as middlemen for your transactions...if you are concerned. No
#risk at all. My experiences with eBay have been fine. It is a
#terrific site.

I've bought about half a dozen times through Ebay, with no problems
at all. I always send my payment in the form of a postal money
order, and always send it via the US Mail. I always print up a
letter saying exactly what the money order is for, including the
Ebay item number. I keep a copy of the letter and the receipt for
the money order until the item has arrived.

If I'm ever cheated, I just have to report it to my local postaster,
and let the Feds take care of it for me. If you send payment for
something through the US Mail and you get cheated, it's Mail
Fraud. That's a Federal offense, and the Postal Service is pretty
serious about following up on it. If you use a postal money order,
only the person it's addressed to can collect the money, and they
have to sign for it, proving that they received the money. I think
the FBI can handle it from there.

Keith


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OldTownSta

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Dec 10, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/10/98
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I don't do ebay, but I AM put off by people who promote their own business by
trying to generate paranoia about their competitors. A no class approach to
marketing, in my opinion.

Jim

mtn...@eclipse.net

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Dec 10, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/10/98
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I've been quite happy with E-Bay. With both buying and selling, I've
never been burned. Currently I am selling once fired .41 Rem. Magnum
brass there. It's a great way for me to recycle brass that I don't
reload.

On 9 Dec 1998 10:35:34 -0500, Brian <bh...@ald.net> wrote:

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John B.

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Dec 10, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/10/98
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Have to disagree on original poster's EBAY comments - have used EBAY
repeatedly and am very happy - the feedback system usually prevents
problems, and if its a higher-priced item (like a gun) use their
escrow service if your worried.

Thomas M. Reynolds

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Dec 10, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/10/98
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Keith Hearn wrote:
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# In article <74m5gl$f...@xring.cs.umd.edu>,
# ROLLNROCK <ROLL...@prodigy.net> wrote:
# #rolex...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
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# ## Ebay can be the worst place to get a great deal....millions of people > can put stuff on auction...what if you get rocks in a box what > > recourse do YOU have! Thats right NONE.... There is a new auction > house on the web....
# #
# #snip
# #

# ## the merchandise and will deliver! Not some person who can give a fake > name email and get permission to screw you on ebay.... think about that one..
# #
# #snip
# #

# #FYI - eBay provides links to two seperate third party vendors that will
# #serve as middlemen for your transactions...if you are concerned. No
# #risk at all. My experiences with eBay have been fine. It is a
# #terrific site.
#
# I've bought about half a dozen times through Ebay, with no problems
# at all. I always send my payment in the form of a postal money
# order, and always send it via the US Mail. I always print up a
# letter saying exactly what the money order is for, including the
# Ebay item number. I keep a copy of the letter and the receipt for
# the money order until the item has arrived.
#
# If I'm ever cheated, I just have to report it to my local postaster,
# and let the Feds take care of it for me. If you send payment for
# something through the US Mail and you get cheated, it's Mail
# Fraud. That's a Federal offense, and the Postal Service is pretty
# serious about following up on it. If you use a postal money order,
# only the person it's addressed to can collect the money, and they
# have to sign for it, proving that they received the money. I think
# the FBI can handle it from there.
#
# Keith
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Careful, I think USPS will only consider it mail fraud if the
advertising was by mail, not just if you paid by mail.

Dan Brown

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Dec 10, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/10/98
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On 10 Dec 1998 12:43:26 -0500, "Thomas M. Reynolds"
<trey...@erols.com> wrote:

#Careful, I think USPS will only consider it mail fraud if the
#advertising was by mail, not just if you paid by mail.

No, the mail fraud statute is pretty broadly worded, so that
if the USPS is involved in any way, it'll count.

--
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Keith Hearn

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In article <74p17u$p...@xring.cs.umd.edu>,

Thomas M. Reynolds <trey...@erols.com> wrote:
#Careful, I think USPS will only consider it mail fraud if the
#advertising was by mail, not just if you paid by mail.
#


Just to make sure, I just checked on www.usps.gov. The relevant URL
is http://www.usps.gov:80/postalinspectors/statutes.htm

Here is a quote:

The False Representation Statute (Title 39, United States Code,
Section 3005) is a civil law used to protect the public from
aggravated monetary loss where proving fraudulent intent is
difficult. Three remedies are available to the Postal Inspection
Service under this law in pursuing con artists who use the mail
to defraud people. If the Postal Service sues the promoter based
on evidence obtained by postal inspectors, it need only prove a
particular representation was made, that it is false, and that
money or property was sought through the mail.

So it looks to me that sending your money through the mail is sufficient.

But I may be misreading things. Anyone who wants to be sure is
encouraged to stop by their local post office and ask.

Keith

Ronin

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Dec 11, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/11/98
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Greetings and Salutations.

Keith Hearn wrote:

# If I'm ever cheated, I just have to report it to my local postaster,
# and let the Feds take care of it for me. If you send payment for
# something through the US Mail and you get cheated, it's Mail
# Fraud. That's a Federal offense, and the Postal Service is pretty
# serious about following up on it. If you use a postal money order,
# only the person it's addressed to can collect the money, and they
# have to sign for it, proving that they received the money. I think
# the FBI can handle it from there.

Keith you are so out of touch with reality. 1) First you have to prove you were cheated. 2) Then you have to prove that the person who cheated you did so knowingly and willfully with intent to defraud you. 3) Then the amount has to be
over $5K before the FBI will even consider your case. 4) The Postmaster will not get involved at all unless the person is already under investigation or there is a huge sum involved. 5) You can sue for damages. Good luck suing someone
in Hawaii for, Ie., $150.

How do I know this? Because an Internet Thief tried to steal from me. I intercepted the Money Order (I sent to him.) before it left Federal Express and followed up with phone calls and/or face to face chats with the FBI, Postmasters
in Oregon and Hawaii, Oregon and Hawaii State AGs, Consumer Fraud bureaus, etc.

Finally I just chased the Thief around the net and generally made his life miserable. Contacted the local business and other hang outs of his, etc.

I was fortunate. You and others which may take your advice may not be so fortunate someday.

When doing business with someone that you do not know personally and can state with 100 % faith will be honest, follow these simple rules;

COD accepted if the buyer will accept a personal cheque. (If the seller finds he has been ripped off he can cancel the cheque. If the buyer receives a bad or cancelled cheque he can contact authorities that *will* pursue *these* kind
of crimes.)

Prepayment by major credit card. The same as above applies.

Payment deferred until after the merchandise has arrived. This leaves the seller open to fraud. I do not recommend it for sellers.

Brokered transaction thru a NetBroker or other third party with no interest in the sales outcome.

DO NOT DEVIATE FROM THE ABOVE. Some thieves can be very persuasive. Even give you accurate personal info. Go ahead try to sue someone a thousand miles away. GOOD LUCK!

Honest buyers and sellers will find in the above advice a method suitable. It may in some cases require a little delay but the object is a satisfactory transaction for both. The above assures, (Nothing is 100 % guaranteed.) that BOTH
parties will be protected from fraud.

Ronin.

WattCJ

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In article <74gvs1$oto$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, rolex...@my-dejanews.com
writes:
#Ebay can be the worst place to get a great deal....millions of people can
#put stuff on auction...what if you get rocks in a box what recourse do YOU
#have! Thats right NONE.... There is a new auction house on the web....
#http://www.(deleted).net They only deal with vendors who actually have
#the merchandise and will deliver! Not some person who can give a fake name
#/email and get permission to screw you on ebay.... think about that one..
#Tell your friends and family to come and see a real auction house.
#rolexbuyer.....

And your affiliation with this "real auction house" is what?
Have you ever actually dealt with ebay?
Have you registered to sell anything on ebay?
How many million transactions has this "real auction house" done?
How can I join and be part of a "real" auction? <----ROFL
How many Furby's are you offering for auction? <------Sitting now, but still
laughing.

Come on, it's one thing to advertise your service but why the negative ad to do
so? Ebay requires a valid credit card to be a registered seller. You have the
same recourse as with anything bought mail order. I have only had one problem
with a bidder on one of my items on ebay and it was solved via e-mail. Ebay
might not be perfect.....then again it might be. That's not for me to say.
I've done well both buying and selling on ebay. I was a bit annoyed by their
bogus attempt to lump gun sellers with porn sellers but they seem to have
changed that.
Just out of curiosity, how does your "real auction house" verify that a seller
"actually has the merchandise?" Does someone come to their house or place of
business and do a visual check or do they take the sellers word for it? What
recourse do you offer over and above what ebay does if I get rocks in a box?
This "real auction house" isn't one of those bogus sites that look like an
auction but is just a front for a company and won't sell anything for less than
retail is it?

Chris Watt

Brad & Sherri P.

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Dec 13, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/13/98
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I wish people would stop bashing ebay. They finally got there firearms
section done and it's nice. I have done over 100 transactions -
buying/selling and have never been burned. The problem I have is the US
mail - they have lost a check, and now a furby! Anyways - Ebay is a good
place and deals can found for the knowlegeable!

Brad
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DEE & Georgia

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Dec 15, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/15/98
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I've got to agree....in over seventy separate purchases, I have been
quite happy with all I have bought. Only problem so far had NOTHING
whatsoever to do with eBay....but United Parcel....FOUR WEEKS FROM
WEST COAST TO GEORGIA!!! BAH!!

Dee lewis


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Bob Johnson

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On 11 Dec 1998 18:54:46 -0500, wat...@aol.com (WattCJ) wrote:
# Ebay might not be perfect.....then again it might be.

There was a news story yesterday about a guy who had stiffed various
ebay bidders for somewhere between $30K and $100K in merchandise he
never delivered. ebay suspended him but told all the bidders, in
essence, "tough kimchee".

Bob Johnson
rejoh...@earthlink.com

DParr58316

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Dec 16, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/16/98
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I have been very happy with my results on ebay as a buyer. DP

Brad & Sherri P.

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Dec 16, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/16/98
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That's why you send postal money orders. Anybody pulling that crap will
deal with the Postal Inspectors. This, in tun, will provide them will a
nice alternative lifestyle while in prison.

People have feedback for a reason. I never bid on an auction where the
person has a crappy reputation. Also, for big ticket items like guns, I
ensure the selling party has provided a signed copy of the FFL where the gun
is to be shipped, and that the gun is in the dealers inventory prior to
issuing payment. Payment is then sent to the dealer along with the FFL.
People engaged in fraug would then need to deal with ATF!


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zem...@worldnet.att.net

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Dec 17, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/17/98
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About two months ago I began looking at Ebay. I bought some once fired .40
and was satisified. I then thought of some misc. reloading items I had
gotten in a trade and was about to throw out during a garage cleaning. I
instead put the items on Ebay. They brought $238!!! Just goes to show again
one man's junks another man's treasure. Beside it's alot of fun and doesn't
cost much. mike e

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I bought a holster on EBAY, it did not fit my pistol, the seller took it
back.
I have also bought on EBay a few items and sold things like a RCBS 505
reloader I didnt need for about $30 plus shipping...I think most people
buying and selling on EBAY are doing OK...You must know what you are
willing to spend or accept, and don't get caught up in the fever of
bidding...I think it is a good thing...Bob In Cary. . .

Whipaway

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Dec 19, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/19/98
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Never had a problem with anybody or anything from EBAY.
Usually I would deal with someone with a feedback of 10 or more.

Dean Speir

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Dec 20, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/20/98
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Brad and/or Sherri P. replied to Bob Johnson:

# ...for big ticket items like guns, I ensure the selling
# party has provided a signed copy of the FFL where
# the gun is to be shipped...

Not a requirement under GCA'68, the statutory authority which
created and regulates FFLs. If you can command it, fine, then
it was a matter of a personal decision by the shipping party. The
sole requirement is that the shipping party have a signed copy
of the intended recipient's FFL.

# ...and that the gun is in the dealers inventory prior to
# issuing payment. Payment is then sent to the dealer
# along with the FFL. People engaged in fraug would
# then need to deal with ATF!

This is incorrect... ATF, a regulatory and enforcement agency,
does not involve itself with fraud, and will be quite pleased to so
inform you that they have no underlying authority, or desire, to
pursue this type of flim-flam.

- Dean Speir / Industry Intelligencer
FIREARMS FOURTH ESTATE
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Brad & Sherri P.

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Each auction can have it's own rules for bidding. Requesting FFL/prepayment
by certified funds is the norm in Ebay.

Brad
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