.32 Cal firing KEY Chains?????
kw
I desire information on where I can buy one of these?? About $20. I
heard on news.
Dan Brown
On 6 May 1998 19:50:08 -0400, kw <kw...@juno.com> wrote:
#I desire information on where I can buy one of these?? About $20. I
#heard on news.
If you mean legally, nowhere in the US without the appropriate
Class III paperwork, CLEO signature, waiting period, etc. If you mean
illegally, I can't help you with that.
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news server picked up the thread before Dejanews did, and the firewall
prevents me from posting except from Dejanews.]
The following is an article obtained from the NY Times. Published here under
the fair use doctrine. There was a little picture, but it wouldn't load and
seems to be stored under in a paid area of their web page.
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May 6, 1998
Gun That Looks Like Key Chain Fools Security X-Rays at Airports
By RAYMOND BONNER
A new weapon is available to airplane hijackers, terrorists and assassins, one
that is as deceptive and as easy to conceal as it is deadly. It is only three
inches long and an inch wide, and has a ring on the end. It looks as innocent
as a key fob.
But the weapon, a pistol, can fire two shots, costs only $20 and is not
detected by some metal detectors and airport X-ray machines.
A Greek official said yesterday that airport security personnel seized one in
Athens last Wednesday, after it had passed through an X-ray machine
undetected. It was the second found at the Athens airport. Such pistols have
also been confiscated at airports in England and Australia.
"It is fairly innocuous to look at," said Brian Hurrell, director of customs
in Perth, Australia. "It doesn't look like a weapon. If you showed it to
airport security, they would probably think it's a key ring."
The device is "readily available" in southern Europe, according to Interpol,
the international police agency, which alerted its 177 members around the
world last month.
The tiny weapon is made of metal but it likely to pass through airport
security checks because passengers typically put key rings, coins and other
metal objects on a tray that is passed around the detector.
Even if the key-ring pistol goes through a metal detector, it is not likely to
set off the alarm unless the machine is set to a high level of sensitivity,
Interpol said. While the weapon shows up on X-ray scans, "it may nevertheless
be difficult to identify because of its nonconventional shape," Interpol said.
Later this month, when the heads of government from the world's leading
industrial countries, the so-called Group of 7, and Russia meet in Birmingham,
England, one item on the agenda is an effort to combat crime, including
controls on arms shipments. The appearance of the key-chain pistol suggests
how much needs to be done.
"There has to be more international coordination and cooperation," said Donald
Manross, an American who is the director of the firearms and explosives
division at Interpol, which is based in Lyon, France.
While the first micro-pistols were seized in Perth and Athens last September,
the Federal Aviation Administration in Washington did not learn of them until
this year, "from a foreign government in Europe," an agency spokeswoman said.
She would say nothing more.
Interpol has a broad reach, but not until this week was it aware that one of
the key-chain pistols had been found in Athens as long ago as last September.
And it was not until this week that security officials in Athens learned that
the same type of weapon had been confiscated in Perth last September.
"You are the one informing me that one like this was found in Perth," said
Takis Tassopoulos, director of airport security in Greece.
It is not known who makes the device, Manross said, but it appears to be made
in Bulgaria. An instruction booklet found with the weapon in Australia is
written in Bulgarian.
The four-page booklet describes the weapon as an "OSA double-loader
gas-signaling device for self-defence," according to a translation by the
Australian Department of Immigration and Multicultural Affairs in Perth. The
weapon is intended to fire cartridges filled with gas to ward off attackers.
The booklet says, "The device is not designed to shoot with military
cartridges."
But Manross, of Interpol, said that the weapon can fire .32-caliber bullets,
and that it would be deadly from a distance of up to 20 yards in the hands of
a marksman. The weapon is cocked by pulling on the ring and is fired by
pushing a button.
In both cases in Athens, the key-chain pistols had passed through X-ray
machines without detection, Tassopoulos said. But alert personnel had caught
them, he added.
In Britain, a passenger passing through a security checkpoint last December
had a loaded weapon "concealed in his hand, apparently relying on the weapon's
small size, leather case and confusing similarity to an ordinary key chain to
avoid detection," Interpol reported.
The individual dropped the weapon when challenged by security personnel and
fled.
The person who was arrested in Perth had flown all the way from Sofia,
Bulgaria, without detection of the weapon. His exact route and the airlines he
flew are not known, Hurrell said, but he had passed through Singapore and had
flown the last leg on Singapore Airlines, an airport and airline with
reputations for good security measures.
The weapon was not detected until the passenger went through customs in Perth.
The passenger told Australian investigators that he had bought the weapon in a
shop in Sofia for $20, Hurrell said. He was arrested for failing to declare
the pistol.
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David J. Ervin
kw wrote:
# I desire information on where I can buy one of these?? About $20.
# I
# heard on news.
#
# marine...@worldnet.att.net
Did you also hear they are illegal in the United States without
special licenses?
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GLC1173
Yin quoted the New York Times:
#A new weapon is available to airplane hijackers, terrorists and >assassins,
#one
#that is as deceptive and as easy to conceal as it is deadly. It is >only three
#inches long and an inch wide, and has a ring on the end
#The weapon is cocked by pulling on the ring and is fired by
#pushing a button.
This weapon's design is Mexican - not Bulgarian.
Small factories in Mexico were making a .22-caliber variant a decade ago;
the thing looks a lot like a Minox pocket camera. Then, too, it sold for about
$20 - in Mexico and Southern California.
glc1173*NOS...@aol.com (GLC1173)
RDJ
Not available for sale in the United States. Not legal for import to
the United States.
See news story and picture on my web site.
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This was on the news here in NYC, they interviewed Dino Longuiera of The
Gunshop(Sile Distributing) and a Gentleman from John Jovino's.
This is kinda silly"Pass thru XRay" BALONEY!!!! I say, if it's attached to
keys it goes in the little basket with yer keys and change etc never seeing
the XRay machine hence it'll pass thru security just as a Pen Gun will pass
if this is done and the Security officer isn't paying close attention.
Media Hysteria once more.
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On Thu, May 7, 1998 12:57, David J. Ervin <mailto:big...@gyro.net> wrote:
# I desire information on where I can buy one of these?? About $20.
# I
# heard on news.
#
# marine...@worldnet.att.net
There is nothing new about this type of gun. The particular model CNN is
getting all excited about is amde in Bulgaria and sold as a gas/signaling
device. I guess it is intended to fire blank or tear-gas cartrages.
However, I guess it could be fitted with .32 ACP cartrages and would
probably cut your hand with the recoil. (i'd rather shoot my 10mm or .44
Mag than my .22WMR derringer - and this contraption had no proper grips!)
It has two spring loaded strikers that are cocked by pulling back the key
ring part and they are released by separate trigger buttons. I used to see
this type of blank/tear gas type gun a lot in magazines when I was a kid
(I'm only 28 now), but if it is intended to fire real ammo, than it is
covered under the Firearms Act of 1934 as an AOW (under the Any Other
Weapon classification and possibly under the Smooth-Bore Pistol
classification as well) Legally owning one requires the same procedure as
applying for a machinegun or short barreled rifle or shotgun, but the
transfer tax is only $5 instead of $200.
Even the Director of the BATF conceded on TV (CNN) that these type of
weapon are carried as a last-ditch self defense weapon, not as an offensive
weapon.
I really doub this gun's usefulness as a instrument of intimidation a
hijacker or terrorist would want to use. If it not readily recognisable as
a gun by the victims it does not intimidate.
Mike
Gary M. Jeter
According to the New York Times, the instruction manual is written in
Bulgarian. The manual describes it as an "OSA double-loader gas signaling
device for self-defence," according to a translation by the Australian
Department of Immigration an Multicultural Affairs in Perth. The weapon is
intended to fire cartridges filled with gas to ward off attackers. The
instruction manual says, "The device is not designed to shoot with military
cartridges." However, an Interpol official acknowledged that the weapon can
fire .32 caliber bullets and is potentially deadly at a distance up to 20
yards in the hands of a "marksman."
If you really want one, I hear that the British airport security officials
are holding one for the guy who tossed his in the key basket while going
through the metal detector.
This is phase 1 of the National Keychain Trophy Match! With two rounds,
load! Ready on the left! Ready on the ....
I think I'll stick to my high-cap.
Gary M. Jeter
Virginia State Rifle Team home page
http://www.potomac.net/users/gmj
kw wrote in message <6iqsvg$b...@xring.cs.umd.edu>...
#I desire information on where I can buy one of these?? About $20. I
#heard on news.
#
#marine...@worldnet.att.net
#
#
Radem
Hasn't something like this been in circulation in Europe for several years
now? In 1990, I was going thru the Frankfurt, Germany airport and I put my
keychain with a mini-maglight on the key counter. The security inspector
(the Germans DO NOT mess around with security, MP-5's everywhere!) grabbed
my mini-maglite and then disassembled it. He explained that tiny one-shot
guns were popping up that looked a lot like a mini-maglite. But I thought
the weapon he was describing was a .22. Anybody know anything about these?
Radem
kw wrote:
# I desire information on where I can buy one of these?? About $20. I
WVanhou237
In article <6isa29$g...@xring.cs.umd.edu>, y...@csua.berkeley.edu writes:
#
#But Manross, of Interpol, said that the weapon can fire .32-caliber bullets,
#and that it would be deadly from a distance of up to 20 yards in the hands of
#a marksman. The weapon is cocked by pulling on the ring and is fired by
#pushing a button.
#
#
Who wants to be the first to try shooting one of those little novelties ?
They are probably more dangerous to the "marksman" than to a target.
I suspect that people have become instant "lefties" in testing them.
Bill Van Houten (USA Ret)
POLITICAL CORRECTNESS=OXYMORON
Herb Kinder
On 6 May 1998, kw wrote:
# I desire information on where I can buy one of these?? About $20. I
# heard on news.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Go to Bulgaria! The stupid sensationalizing news story said that all the
keychain guns found were originally bought in Bulgaria. I am not sure if
it is possible to fire regular bulleted ammo in these things; the story
said they were built to fire tear gas cartridges. The newest version of
"invisible plastic x-ray proof plane highjacking guns" to show the danger
of firearms on the news. Phooey!
Herb the Librarian
MARK MYERS
kw wrote:
#
# heard on news.
#
Bad Bad Leroy Brown would love one of these....
Got a .32 gun in my pocket for fun
Got a razor in my shoe
Dean, Greg
Herb Kinder wrote:
#
# # I desire information on where I can buy one of these?? About $20. I
# # marine...@worldnet.att.net
# --------------------------------------------------------------------------
# Go to Bulgaria! The stupid sensationalizing news story said that all the
# keychain guns found were originally bought in Bulgaria. I am not sure if
# it is possible to fire regular bulleted ammo in these things; the story
# said they were built to fire tear gas cartridges. The newest version of
# "invisible plastic x-ray proof plane highjacking guns" to show the danger
# of firearms on the news. Phooey!
#
# Herb the Librarian
Looks like a high tech Zip Gun. Wouldn't be too hard to
build. Just goes to show you how easy to it is to make
easy to hide guns. Good example to show to your anti
gun sister in law.
Mark Smith
In article <6ivu6j$o...@xring.cs.umd.edu> you wrote:
: #
: #But Manross, of Interpol, said that the weapon can fire .32-caliber bullets,
: #and that it would be deadly from a distance of up to 20 yards in the hands of
: #a marksman. The weapon is cocked by pulling on the ring and is fired by
: #pushing a button.
: #
: #
: Who wants to be the first to try shooting one of those little novelties ?
: They are probably more dangerous to the "marksman" than to a target.
: I suspect that people have become instant "lefties" in testing them.
In case anyone missed reading the instructions sheet that comes with the
"gun" as posted in this thread, this is not a FIREARM, it's a compressed
gas gun or AIR GUN!
Mark
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# Go to Bulgaria! The stupid sensationalizing news story said that all the
# keychain guns found were originally bought in Bulgaria. I am not sure if
# it is possible to fire regular bulleted ammo in these things; the story
# said they were built to fire tear gas cartridges. The newest version of
# "invisible plastic x-ray proof plane highjacking guns" to show the danger
# of firearms on the news. Phooey!
Exactly! All of this crap about these "guns" and there has yet to be even one
picture of the damn thing. Every report I've seen can only show a drawing of
it or compare it to that silver mini-revolver made in the US for years. The
press is just kumping all over this because there's a world of paranoid gun
control people out there that would eat it up.
Al S.
I saw a photo of it in today's newspaper. It looks like a hi-tech
flashlight.
hu...@graf9.jsc.nasa.gov wrote in article <6j5a1g$7...@xring.cs.umd.edu>...
#
# # Go to Bulgaria! The stupid sensationalizing news story said that all
the
# # keychain guns found were originally bought in Bulgaria. I am not sure
if
# # it is possible to fire regular bulleted ammo in these things; the story
# # said they were built to fire tear gas cartridges. The newest version of
# # "invisible plastic x-ray proof plane highjacking guns" to show the
danger
# # of firearms on the news. Phooey!
#
# Exactly! All of this crap about these "guns" and there has yet to be
even one
# picture of the damn thing. Every report I've seen can only show a
drawing of
# it or compare it to that silver mini-revolver made in the US for years.
The
# press is just kumping all over this because there's a world of paranoid
gun
# control people out there that would eat it up.
#
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#
#
Dean, Greg
hu...@graf9.jsc.nasa.gov wrote:
#
# # Go to Bulgaria! The stupid sensationalizing news story said that all the
# # keychain guns found were originally bought in Bulgaria. I am not sure if
# # it is possible to fire regular bulleted ammo in these things; the story
# # said they were built to fire tear gas cartridges. The newest version of
# # "invisible plastic x-ray proof plane highjacking guns" to show the danger
# # of firearms on the news. Phooey!
#
# Exactly! All of this crap about these "guns" and there has yet to be even one
# picture of the damn thing. Every report I've seen can only show a drawing of
# it or compare it to that silver mini-revolver made in the US for years. The
# press is just kumping all over this because there's a world of paranoid gun
# control people out there that would eat it up.
#
First, this topic is getting political (why is it that all
my hobbies are under attack?). We really need to keep the
political issues of our hobby on Talk.Politics.Guns!!
But I do think that the '60s radical left wingers have
so embedded pacifism into the education and governing
sectors that it makes it a constant battle to just have
a hobby. There is class warfare as well. Listen to the
media and educators. How they discribe gun owners is in
working class language: rednecks, white trash, uneducated.
If it was only they that could own weapons, you would see
a different language.
Phillip Jones
I did see one picture of it, very briefly. It was rectangular, about the
size of a C-cell battery, though just a bit longer. Silvery metal of some
sort. It would not survive _any_ examination without being found, and would
certainly set off metal detectors.
Bob Van Wagner
On 10 May 1998 18:34:24 -0400, hu...@graf9.jsc.nasa.gov wrote:
#.. there has yet to be even one
#picture of the damn thing. Every report I've seen can only show a drawing of
#it or compare it to that silver mini-revolver made in the US for years.
The UK Telegraph ran a picture on May 8th.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk:80/..[acctountingstuff].../et/98/5/8/wgun08.html
To access it you register and use their search.
The picture showed it as a dark/black finish, two inches long by one
inch high, about helf inch thick, rectangular with rounded sides, a
keyring a the butt end and some sort of 1" protruding shouldered
muzzle? at top of the firing end. Below the muzzle? is a another hole
-- perhaps a second barrel?. There are two small recessed circular
buttons (firing buttons?) about 1.25" back of the firing end on each
barrel. There is a third non-recessed button centered just forward of
the two firing? buttons.
--Bob
Andrew Walls
Mark Smith wrote:
# In case anyone missed reading the instructions sheet that comes with the
# "gun" as posted in this thread, this is not a FIREARM, it's a compressed
# gas gun or AIR GUN!
It is a gas gun, but in Europe a gas gun is a blank firer modified to
fire plastic pellets filled with tear or pepper gas. They are sold over
the counter in some countries, while other countries require a permit.
A press agency telephoned the manufacturer who said that though it may
be posseble to place .32 calibre cartridges into the gun firing them
would result in it going up like a grenade taking the firers hand with
it.
--
Andrew Walls
Near the Arctic Circle
Norway
RDJ
Story and photos were available at "The Gun Guy" web site.
Mark Smith
In article <6j7bq8$c...@xring.cs.umd.edu> you wrote:
: It is a gas gun, but in Europe a gas gun is a blank firer modified to
: fire plastic pellets filled with tear or pepper gas. They are sold over
: the counter in some countries, while other countries require a permit.
: A press agency telephoned the manufacturer who said that though it may
: be posseble to place .32 calibre cartridges into the gun firing them
: would result in it going up like a grenade taking the firers hand with
: it.
OK, so it DOES use a powder charge to propell a small pellet of
defensive gas (as designed and marketed). AND it CAN fire a
.32 cal cartridge if the shooter is willing to take severe
injuries.
Mike Gilliam
Mark Smith wrote in message <6j8569$f...@xring.cs.umd.edu>...
#OK, so it DOES use a powder charge to propell a small pellet of
#defensive gas (as designed and marketed). AND it CAN fire a
#.32 cal cartridge if the shooter is willing to take severe
#injuries.
CNN ran a short segment on this today. They sent a reporter to Bulgaria and
talked to the guys who designed it. It is approved for manufacture and sale
inside Bulgaria and appeared to be about 2/3 the size of a pack of cigs, so
it's not small. The inventor said it had an 8mm chamber and demonstrated
that a round couldn't be chambered. I guess you could MAKE it chamber a .32
round, if you reamed it out. There were 2 chambers with essentially no
barrel, unless you consider the 1/2" space ahead of the chamber a barrel.
It looked like it was made of aluminum with a silver anodized finish. The
Bulgarians said it was for personal defense using a tear gas cartridge, but
CNN kept insinuating that it was a firearm. CNN, propagating the propaganda
as usual...
It reminded me of the zip gun the BG used in the movie "In The Line Of Fire"
with Clint Eastwood.