OO Buck vs .22LR
David Steuber
rifle. The Winchester SuperX ammo shoots a .224" 40gr bullet at about
1200 fps. I don't know what the MV of the shotgun is. Say it has an
18" barrel for home defense rather than hunting.
At about what distance does the .224" bullet have the same energy as
one of the OO pellets?
What is the MV of the pellets from an 18" barrel? Assume the Federal
tactical load which I believe has 9 pellets.
I'm going to buy some of the Federal stuff, but my shotgun has a 28"
mod choke barrel. I don't feel like buying a replacement barrel at
this point.
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00 Buck will be infinitely more effective than a 22 Long rifle, you will be
shooting 9 (at least and possibly 12 if you go with 3 inch mag) 33 calibre
lead ball probably at a velocity of 1100 - 1200 fps maybe higher maybe
slightly less but at in side the house ranges it really will not make a
difference. A gun digest or shooters bible should have the velocities of
buckshot listed
Practically speaking at inside the house ranges you won't really notice the
difference between an 18 inch cylinder bore group and that of on fired from a
32 inch full choke barrel let a lone your 28 inch modified barrel. You do
not need a replacement barrel to shoot buck shot.
Some of the Gun rags recommend number 4 buck shot about 40 22 caliber or so
balls going down range all at once. bout like getting hit in the chest with a
whole box of 22 shells. Supposed to be less prone to over penetration than
say 00 buck
David Steuber wrote:
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POULINTR
If you trigger that bugger inside, it will be
the last thing you hear for days, other than
your own ears ringing.
Tom
Clark Magnuson
chicken coop. I drew a careful bead on the critter using the window as a
steady rest. The coyote walked through the pattern unharmed at 200 feet
with a full choke. The same gun at half the distance killed a coyote
instantly with #4 bird shot. I have since bought some #4 buck, but never
again will money be spent on 00 buck.
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If you trigger that bugger inside, it will be
the last thing you hear for days, other than
your own ears ringing.
Tom
#>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
It is called "auditory exclusion." You won't hear the shots and your hearing is
electronically disconnected. HOWEVER, if the blast is such that the pressure of
moving air causes damage then you will have a permanent problem. Nobody comes
out of a shooting complaining about the noise.
My partner fired 6 .357's in a small room a few feet from my head and neither
of us heard the shots nor had any after effects. Another officer I know fought
with a suspect and his .357 went off inches from his head and he had severe
internal ear damage and will always have tinitis (ringing in the ears) for
life.
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Hypnogator
#the last thing you hear for days, other than
#your own ears ringing.
#
Of course, if you don't trigger it, the other guy's gun may be the last thing
you hear. Ever.
Gary L. Griffiths
Chief Instructor
Advanced Force Tactics, Inc.
Ken Marsh
And what do you suggest indoors instead of the 12,000 PSI shotgun with
the 20"+ barrel, maybe a 35,000 PSI .357 with a 6" barrel and a cylinder
gap?
Ken.
In article <82fc9t$jie$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>, POULINTR <poul...@cs.com> wrote:
#If you trigger that bugger inside, it will be
#the last thing you hear for days, other than
#your own ears ringing.
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# It is called "auditory exclusion." You won't hear the shots and your hearing
# of moving air causes damage then you will have a permanent problem. Nobody comes
# out of a shooting complaining about the noise.
Right... the human body is a marvelous machine... it protects itself far
better than the driver does.
Plus P Inc
you hear. Ever.
Gary L. Griffiths
Chief Instructor
Advanced Force Tactics, Inc.
#>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Me thinks you've been down the block and up the alley. Hearing vs living.
yup, you figured it out. Hope business is good. You understand the problem.
some don;'t.
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YANKee
Clark Magnuson <cmag...@home.com> writes:
# I bought some 00 buck 12 ga 2.75 inch. I saw a coyote trotting past my
# chicken coop. I drew a careful bead on the critter using the window as a
# steady rest. The coyote walked through the pattern unharmed at 200 feet
# with a full choke. The same gun at half the distance killed a coyote
# instantly with #4 bird shot. I have since bought some #4 buck, but never
# again will money be spent on 00 buck.
200 feet = ~67 yards, which is really reaching with buckshot.
Yes, I have noted that birdshot patterns better than buck, and 1/2
"that distance" = 33 yards, which is a hell of a lot closer when you
are using shot! I'd wager #4 shot would not have had as much effect on
Mr Coyote at 67 yards, as it did at 33 yards.
I'd recommend passing up coyote shots at >50 yards, if you don't have
slugs in the gun.
00 buckshot is still quite useful, within it's range limitations.
BJay the YANKee
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Carl Donath
#
# chicken coop. I drew a careful bead on the critter using the window as a
# steady rest. The coyote walked through the pattern unharmed at 200 feet
# with a full choke. The same gun at half the distance killed a coyote
# instantly with #4 bird shot. I have since bought some #4 buck, but never
# again will money be spent on 00 buck.
Uh, there's some notable difference there. It's not an apples-apples
comparison.
00 buck at 200 feet is 9 9mm balls that spread out obviously considerably at
200 feet. The same at HALF the distance would have covered one QUARTER the
area, multiplying the chance of a hit by 4.
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dste...@my-deja.com
poul...@cs.com (POULINTR) wrote:
# Hello David
#
# If you trigger that bugger inside, it will be
# the last thing you hear for days, other than
# your own ears ringing.
That's my thought. OTOH, a .22LR or .223 Remington with a suppressor
doesn't have that problem ;-).
In fact, the .22 subsonic load from remington (38gr HP @ 1050fps) makes
very little noise at all. Don't have to wake up the neighbors. Also, a
shotgun makes quite a mess. There are some prety grewsome pictures of
shotgun wounds on Plus P's site.
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Before you buy.
RSLiles
give a s**t about ringing ears, flash damage to eyes, humongous recoil, or
human rights! That sucker is MINE! It just depends on whether I get my hands
on my .45 acp with Federal Hydra-shocks or 12 guage with 00 buck first. I may
even hit him with both just to be sure.
In article <82ogfe$ehj$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>, dste...@my-deja.com writes:
## If you trigger that bugger inside, it will be
## the last thing you hear for days, other than
## your own ears ringing.
#
Jerry
#In article <82fc9t$jie$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>,
# poul...@cs.com (POULINTR) wrote:
## Hello David
##
## If you trigger that bugger inside, it will be
## the last thing you hear for days, other than
## your own ears ringing.
#
#doesn't have that problem ;-).
#
#In fact, the .22 subsonic load from remington (38gr HP @ 1050fps) makes
#very little noise at all. Don't have to wake up the neighbors. Also, a
#shotgun makes quite a mess. There are some prety grewsome pictures of
#shotgun wounds on Plus P's site.
Isn't making a mess the object at that point?
DeMossi
wrote:
> ...
I think, too, that if my circumstances had deteriorated to the extent
that I was involved in a gun fight in my house I would WANT to wake up
the neighbors!
Plus P Inc
# chicken coop. I drew a careful bead on the critter using the window as a
# steady rest. The coyote walked through the pattern unharmed at 200 feet
# with a full choke. The same gun at half the distance killed a coyote
# instantly with #4 bird shot. I have since bought some #4 buck, but never
# again will money be spent on 00 buck.
#>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Thee olde "one time school" eh? So ONE TIME something didn't work you dump it.
Must have been fun when you were dating with that theory. Had an accident with
a Ford...never buy one of those again eh?
We had a cop here kill TWO thugs with ONE shot of 00 at 52 yards. That's 150+
feet.
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www.plusp.com
Plus P Inc
If an intruder is in the house where my wife and children are sleeping, I don't
give a s**t about ringing ears, flash damage to eyes, humongous recoil, or
human rights! That sucker is MINE! It just depends on whether I get my hands
on my .45 acp with Federal Hydra-shocks or 12 guage with 00 buck first. I may
even hit him with both just to be sure.
#>>>>>>>>>>>>
DON'T SHOOT!!!!!! He'll drown in the testosterone
Plus P Inc
I think, too, that if my circumstances had deteriorated to the extent
that I was involved in a gun fight in my house I would WANT to wake up
the neighbors!
#>>>>>>>>>>>
I've been to countless shootings where people in the home didn't wake up or
figure out that noise was a shot. Even outside shootings take place and nobody
notices or does anything about it.
flyi...@my-deja.com
What is the better in a close up encounter...a .22 or a 12ga with 00
buck. I wrote an article for SWAT magazine back about '83 and did a
series of tests shooting several 12 ga shotguns with a variety of loads
against typical walls, cinder blocks, cars, etc. I was surprised and
had to change my thoughts a little. Don't take my word for it. Build
some sample walls typical of the house you live in, then shoot some
loads out of the gun you plan to use and see what it does for yourself.
Don't matter what works for a few "experts". What does matter is what
you can do under stress with the guns you have handy. I don't care what
kind of gun I have handy....I can guarantee I'll be a very dangerous
opponent. But, I have made guns my business since I was a little kid
and have lots of credentials to kind of prove that I can back up my
statements.
So many who are visiting here, or who are regulars, have not the
advantages of my failures as well as successes. I have the bullet holes
to prove it!
Doesn't matter if you are shooting a pistol, a shotgun, a rifle, or a
slingshot...if you do not follow the basic rules of marksmanship, you
are going to miss your target. BUT, countless times, the very sound of
a gun being cocked, or a single shot fired has stopped the threat cold.
No one can make a blanket statement that covers every situation.
Ol Shy & Bashful
David Steuber
-> Isn't making a mess the object at that point?
Ever try to clean up blood? Now add bits of meat, bone, entrails,
etc.
If the boogie man comes... I sure hope cleanup is covered by
insurance.
If I thought I could stop an intruder with a .22, then that is what I
would use.
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