Slam fire shotguns
RM
be slam fired, but as far as I can tell, no current production model
has that capability.
Does anyone know otherwise? Is there anything made in the past 25
years that can be slam fired?
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fired merely by holding the trigger back and working the
slide. Of course, neither is currently manufactured.
John
On Fri, 21 May 2004 01:11:55 +0000 (UTC),
rme...@utdallas.edu (RM) wrote:
> ...
Greg
it shoots? That is the Winchester 97 and the current chicom clone..
Colin
> ...
Hi,
The Interstate (Norinco) model 97 is a Winchester 97 clone and will
"slam fire".
Colin
Strider
wrote:
#I know that some early Ithaca 37's and others of that vintage could
#be slam fired, but as far as I can tell, no current production model
#has that capability.
#
#Does anyone know otherwise? Is there anything made in the past 25
#years that can be slam fired?
#
I've owned an Ithaca 37 since 1969. I think what you and others are
seeing is not technically a slam fire, but the gun was made to operate
that way. These were know to be able to fire by holding down the
trigger and pumping, enabling quite rapid fire. This MIGHT be why
quite a few were used by the Military in the 1960's. You can really
pour out some lead in a panic.
Strider
FBC3
disconnectors? The Ithaca and models 97 and 12 Winchesters come to mind.
George
George in Las Vegas
fugi
# I know that some early Ithaca 37's and others of that vintage could
# be slam fired, but as far as I can tell, no current production model
# has that capability.
# Does anyone know otherwise? Is there anything made in the past 25
# years that can be slam fired?
I've heard from two people that the Norinco 98 will do it, I've
yet to test it with my norincos though.
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RM
# I assume you mean that if you are holding the trigger down and close the bolt
# it shoots? That is the Winchester 97 and the current chicom clone..
#
Is this true of all Winchester 12's and 97's or only of certain
model years?
I know that Ithaca added a disconnector around 1975. Is there a way to
quickly check one to determine if it has the disconnector? Just
asking the seller isn't sufficiently reliable.
Derek V.
Derek V.
"George" <gk...@cox.net> wrote in message news:<c8ko19$ibc$1...@grapevine.wam.umd.edu>...
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Stan Schaefer
# I know that some early Ithaca 37's and others of that vintage could
# be slam fired, but as far as I can tell, no current production model
# has that capability.
#
# years that can be slam fired?
#
#
Get the real deal, used Ithacas usually run about $150-200 at the
shows, prior to the mid-70s they didn't have a disconnector. The
cheaper ones are usually the ones prior to the interchangeable barrel
changeover at 850000 or so. I've got one with a serial in the 5000
range, first couple of years of production, smoother operating than
anything currently being made. I bought my early '70s satin nickel
8-shot DSPS for $125, the deals are out there if you look.
It's not really a slam-fire, the firing pin IS retracted, the hammer
IS back and the breechblock IS locked when the sear is activated by
the bolt carrier. The hammer doesn't follow the breechblock down, nor
does the firing pin protrude when the bolt closes.
That said, the feature is of limited use, in my opinion. You can make
a lot of noise with it, accurate shooting is a little more difficult.
If you've got time to pull the gun down out of recoil, you've got time
to reset the trigger. I have busted clay birds and then busted the
pieces before they hit the ground on a couple of occasions using the
feature, but for normal uses I don't consider it that useful.
Yeah, I've read the accounts where the doughboys filled their pockets
with shotshells and kept pumping away with their 97 trenchguns at
German head-on assaults. May have happened, but the Germans were
usually smarter than that, tactically. Makes for great reading but
how many times do you have to repel screaming hoards at home, by
yourself, and with no infantry to back you up while you reload? If
you have to do it a lot, or there's the slightest chance you're going
to have to do it, you might want to find another area to live in.
Stan
Michael Gaskins
Wingmaster did once fire upon closing the action though (he didn't
have his hand anywhere near the trigger at the time when he racked the
pump forward. it just went off). He had the gun pointed in a safe
direction so nobody was injured, but it definately was a surprise.
Mike
Michael Gaskins
Wingmaster did once fire upon closing the action though (he didn't
have his hand anywhere near the trigger at the time when he racked the
pump forward. it just went off). He had the gun pointed in a safe
direction so nobody was injured, but it definately was a surprise.
Mike
Southern Man
RM wrote:
# I know that some early Ithaca 37's and others of that vintage could
# be slam fired, but as far as I can tell, no current production model
# has that capability.
#
# Does anyone know otherwise? Is there anything made in the past 25
# years that can be slam fired?
#
a shooting friend says he can bump fire a Benelli M1 Super 90, related
to but not the same as slam firing
Larry Caldwell
(Stan Schaefer) says...
# Yeah, I've read the accounts where the doughboys filled their pockets
# with shotshells and kept pumping away with their 97 trenchguns at
# German head-on assaults. May have happened, but the Germans were
# usually smarter than that, tactically. Makes for great reading but
# how many times do you have to repel screaming hoards at home, by
# yourself, and with no infantry to back you up while you reload? If
# you have to do it a lot, or there's the slightest chance you're going
# to have to do it, you might want to find another area to live in.
Plus, you spend all your time reloading. If you are going to repel a
screaming horde, either aim your shots or stick with a belt fed machine
gun. Machine guns on the flanks with crossing fire can be very
effective. Spray and pray is not.
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Paul B. Thompson
disconnector. I had a Stevens 520 and 620 that would both do it. Makes for
some impressive lead throwing.
Paul Thompson
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gary Breese
rme...@utdallas.edu (RM) wrote:
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it isnt really a "slam-fire" but that is a
good usable term, it sure imitates one. What happens is that without a
disconnect
mechasm, if the trigger is held back and the pump action worked, the
hammer rides
the firing pin all the way to lock up. If the action was closed smartly,
the shotgun
fires. From the hip, you can unload a tube full of 00 buck incredibaly
fast.
Long ago and far away, I chose a Winchester '97 over 3 different smg's
for just
that reason, never regretted the decision.
All of the Winchester 97 model were manufactured withOUT a disconnect.
The early
Ithaca '37 was mfg. without disconnect also, but at some point the
mechanism was
added, all current ones are lawyer proofed with disconnect mechanisms. I
believe
that was the story about the Win. 12 also, but I do not know for a fact.
I know that the currently availible Chinese copies of the Win, 97 do NOT
have disconnectors,
and there are 2 versions of the '37, also from China. I have 1 of each,
the "sporting
model" wood stocked version does not have a disconnect, The plastic
stocked
"riot gun" version does have a disconnect. Neither one of these '37
copies
cost me over $140.00 brand new. I like them both and have had no
problems. You can
test for a working disconnect by cocking the empty shotgun (by working
the pump),
then pulling the trigger and holding it back while you work the pump
again, then
let off of the trigger, if you can then pull the trigger and hear the
hammer strike,
the gun has a disconnect, if you pull the trigger and nothing happens
you have a
gun w/o a disconnector!
A lot of people like to knock the chinese guns for poor quality. but of
the 6 or
so I own and use, no problem.
Another exreemly rapid firing shotgun is the russian Saiga
semi-automatic in 20
gauge, it's becoming my favorite shotgun, you can find them easily for
less than
$200. You can empty a 5 round magazine before the first empty hits the
ground. That
impresses people. Well impresses me at least!
A warning about the "no disconnect pumps", they CAN fire before the shell
is fully chambered, and you are holding the trigger back.
This usually causes the shell to rupture, a funny noise happens instead
of bang,
and wether or not you wet your pants, you will sit down and shake, while
you stare
at your shotgun. You will also be trying to figure out "how the H_l did
that
happen?" I only had it happen once (that's enough) with a very worn '97.
I
think the shell (paper, in those days was a little swollen, and or it
hung up momentarily
at the mouth of the chamber. Which would have been enough to fire the
shell. No
serious injury, bit the possibillity IS there.
Herb Leong
John Ammeter <jamm...@comcast.net> wrote:
#I believe the Winchester model 12 and model 97 could both be
#fired merely by holding the trigger back and working the
#slide. Of course, neither is currently manufactured.
There are newly made Chinese copies of the 97 out on the
market. Not that I would advocate supporting a communist
government, but if you have to have a new one or can't
afford one of the vintage ones...
/herb