ID'ed for Ammo at Wal-Mart!
J.K.
Yesterday I was shopping at my local Wal-Mart (East Stroudsburg, PA). When
I asked the clerk behind the counter for a box of federal 22's, he asked if
I was a PA resident. I said yes but would that matter? And then he asked
for proof of residency (drivers license).
He said that it was a law that you were not allowed to sell ammo to
somebody from out of state. I can't remember if he said it was a state or
federal law. Does anybody know anything about this. I have never been
ID'ed for ammo before.
Rich Pierson
J.K. wrote:
#
# Yesterday I was shopping at my local Wal-Mart (East Stroudsburg, PA). When
# I asked the clerk behind the counter for a box of federal 22's, he asked if
# I was a PA resident. I said yes but would that matter? And then he asked
# for proof of residency (drivers license).
#
# He said that it was a law that you were not allowed to sell ammo to
# somebody from out of state. I can't remember if he said it was a state or
# federal law. Does anybody know anything about this. I have never been
# ID'ed for ammo before.
NJ has that law and that particular store is so damn
busy cause of the tourists from NY and NJ stopping
there [which is why I don't go there, got tired of
walking from the kmart parking lot]. The guy may
be from NJ or they may have had a problem with state
troopers stopping poeple on RT80 on their way home.
There are two other Walmarts, one south of windgap
on RT 33 and one in Lehighton. The Stroudsburg store
is one of their "SuperStores". If you are determined to
buy local go to Dunklebergers in Stroudsberg, their
prices are "not bad" as long as you know what you want,
though they are not above taking advantage such as don't
walk in and say "I need money and HAVE to sell this"
and then ask how much they'll give you for it, you
just lost 30% with the first sentence.
I have not bought ammo in NJ in a long time but did
purchase powder last week and all they wanted at the
gun shop was a drivers license. I live in PA.
Don't know if NJ wants a FID for ammo.
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THE COMMUTERS MOTTO from PA > NJ
"Five days in Hell for two days in heaven"
My opinions are my own as are my mistaaaakes.
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nickmc
I'm 36 years old and 3/4 Bald, but they still ask me if I intend using
.22LR for Handgun or Rifle............ Jee, it must take underage Gang
Bangers all of 3 tries to figure out the appropriate response to THAT
informed question !!
Sorry J.K. never tried buying in PA, how do Out of State Hunters get on ?
Nick AZ
J.K. <JKrot...@1acc.com> wrote in article
<5vjd4b$r...@xring.cs.umd.edu>...
# Yesterday I was shopping at my local Wal-Mart (East Stroudsburg, PA).
When
# I asked the clerk for a box of federal 22's, he asked if
TSBench
In article <5vjd4b$r...@xring.cs.umd.edu>, "J.K." <JKrot...@1acc.com> writes:
#Yesterday I was shopping at my local Wal-Mart (East Stroudsburg, PA). When
#I asked the clerk behind the counter for a box of federal 22's, he asked if
#I was a PA resident. I said yes but would that matter? And then he asked
#for proof of residency (drivers license).
#
#He said that it was a law that you were not allowed to sell ammo to
#somebody from out of state. I can't remember if he said it was a state or
#federal law. Does anybody know anything about this. I have never been
#ID'ed for ammo before.
Assuming you don't look under 21 and buying handgun ammo, it's not a
Federal law. Why would PA have a state law on selling ammo to
out-of-staters? Maybe the clerk has this confused with some other law, or
is just confused.
Regards,
TSB
Bill Walker...Producer and Cohost of The Shooting Bench radio
program...Curator of Small Arms, US Naval & Shipbuilding Museum in Quincy,
MA....General Manager, WDIS-Radio, Norfolk, Massachusetts.
Mark Yaworski
On 15 Sep 1997 09:27:39 -0400, "J.K." <JKrot...@1acc.com> wrote:
#
#Yesterday I was shopping at my local Wal-Mart (East Stroudsburg, PA). When
#I asked the clerk behind the counter for a box of federal 22's, he asked if
#I was a PA resident. I said yes but would that matter? And then he asked
#for proof of residency (drivers license).
#
#He said that it was a law that you were not allowed to sell ammo to
#somebody from out of state. I can't remember if he said it was a state or
#federal law. Does anybody know anything about this. I have never been
#ID'ed for ammo before.
Federal Law says that you can buy ammo anywhere but state laws may
differ. However, I have bought mucho ammo in Pennsylvania (I live in
Maryland) without a dealer batting an eye. The Wal-Mart bozo just
confused handguns with ammunition.
Mark Yaworski, CNA
NRA Life Member
NRA Certified Instructor
NRA Recruiter http://www.erols.com/yaworski/joinnra.htm
Part time gun dealer
Some time baseball umpire
Other time basketball referee
and a lot of other stuff that no one cares about
If you are in the DC area, check out http://www.erols.com/yaworski/mpc.htm for match info
Tim Finnegan
J.K. wrote:
# Yesterday I was shopping at my local Wal-Mart (East Stroudsburg, PA).
# When
# I asked the clerk behind the counter for a box of federal 22's, he
# asked if
# I was a PA resident. I said yes but would that matter? And then he
# asked
# for proof of residency (drivers license).
#
# He said that it was a law that you were not allowed to sell ammo to
# somebody from out of state. I can't remember if he said it was a
# state or
# federal law. Does anybody know anything about this. I have never
# been
# ID'ed for ammo before.
That's odd, I'm in Harrisburg and I just bought a few boxes of .22 ammo
on saturday, at a "jumbo sports" I think. They didn't ask for anything
but money. It's most likely a Wal-Mart policy, I would ask to speak to
a manager and give 'em hell about it. That wouldn't solve the problem,
of course, but it makes you feel much better... :)
Tim
Larry L. Taylor
In article <5vjd4b$r...@xring.cs.umd.edu>, "J.K." <JKrot...@1acc.com> wrote:
# Yesterday I was shopping at my local Wal-Mart (East Stroudsburg, PA). When
# I asked the clerk behind the counter for a box of federal 22's, he asked if
# I was a PA resident. I said yes but would that matter? And then he asked
# for proof of residency (drivers license).
#
# He said that it was a law that you were not allowed to sell ammo to
# somebody from out of state. I can't remember if he said it was a state or
# federal law. Does anybody know anything about this. I have never been
# ID'ed for ammo before.
Must be a state law. The Feds gave up on trying to link crime to case lot
numbers of ammo purchases. I'm balding w/ graying hair, and when I buy
.22LR ammo at WalMart, they always ask me if it's for rifle or pistol
(that prompt comes out of the cash register). I politely tell them " yes,
it is" and smile at the clerks when they get this weird look on their face
Here's the oxymoron question of the day: I have to be 21 to buy the same
ammo for a handgun that would serve equally well in the right caliber
rifle. So if the clerk is say 19, he should be able to legally sell me
the ammo for my rifle. But if I say it's for a pistol, does he/she have
to go get an older clerk (>21 years) to sell me the same ammo?
--
Seen on a bumper sticker: STOP YER HONKIN' - I'M RELOADING
Larry L. Taylor
Saga55
I would assume selling ammo to out of state residents would be ok. After
all alot of New Yorkers hunt in PA. If they ran out of ammo would they have
tocome back to NY? Selling guns to out of state residents is another thing.
I have never been ID'ed for ammo. BUT!!! I do get alot of my ammo at
Walmart and they always ask me "Is this for a rifle or a handgun?" before
ringing it up. They are prompted by the computerized register to ask me.
Some cashiers will ask me and some ignore the prompt and hit a key to
continue the sale.
But why ask me in the first place? Its mostly 22lr and I use it in
handguns and rifles. And most important, ITS NONE OF THEIR BUSINESS!!!!
I mean after all, I can always lie when they ask. So whats the point? What
they should ask is "Is this ammo for drive bys, target or hunting?".
Pete Lester
J.K. wrote:
#
# Yesterday I was shopping at my local Wal-Mart (East Stroudsburg, PA).
When
# I asked the clerk behind the counter for a box of federal 22's, he
asked if
# I was a PA resident. I said yes but would that matter? And then he
asked
# for proof of residency (drivers license).
#
# He said that it was a law that you were not allowed to sell ammo to
# somebody from out of state. I can't remember if he said it was a
state or
# federal law. Does anybody know anything about this. I have never
been
# ID'ed for ammo before.
The same thing has happened to me buying shotgun shells at the Wal-Mart
in Somersworth NH. I asked the clerk why. He said it was the law.
Well it is not the law in NH.. I continued to ask the clerk questions
and then he told me that indeed it was not the law but rather store
policy. Somersworth is a border town to Maine. I wonder if they deny
sales to Maine residents? I should have asked that question. It sounds
to me like it's a corporate policy. It's a nuisance but so is
presenting the driver's license when writing a check to pay for it. Of
course I wouldn't like it much if lived
in Maine and the Somersworth Wal-Mat wouldn't sell ammo to me.
Brad McCabe
sag...@aol.com (Saga55) wrote:
#I have never been ID'ed for ammo. BUT!!! I do get alot of my ammo at
#Walmart and they always ask me "Is this for a rifle or a handgun?" before
#ringing it up. They are prompted by the computerized register to ask me.
#Some cashiers will ask me and some ignore the prompt and hit a key to
#continue the sale.
I've never been ID'ed for ammo eirther. I buy a lot of 22 ammo at
Walmart here in Tennessee, and only once was asked if it was for a
rifle or a handgun. I did have a different experience at the local
Kmart once. I was buying some .22 ammo and the cashier asked me if I
had ever been convicted of midemeanor domestic violence. I have been
asked this when buying firearms but this is the only time I've been
asked this when buying ammo.
Wayne Knecht
In article <5vluhn$3...@xring.cs.umd.edu>, fi...@clark.lc.lucent.com
says...
#
#J.K. wrote:
##
## Yesterday I was shopping at my local Wal-Mart (East Stroudsburg, PA).
When
## I asked the clerk behind the counter for a box of federal 22's, he
asked if
## I was a PA resident. I said yes but would that matter? And then he
## asked for proof of residency (drivers license).
##
## He said that it was a law that you were not allowed to sell ammo to
## somebody from out of state. I can't remember if he said it was a
## state or federal law. Does anybody know anything about this. I have
## never been ID'ed for ammo before.
#
#NJ has that law and that particular store is so damn
#busy cause of the tourists from NY and NJ stopping
#there [which is why I don't go there, got tired of
#walking from the kmart parking lot].
<snip>
#I have not bought ammo in NJ in a long time but did
#purchase powder last week and all they wanted at the
#gun shop was a drivers license. I live in PA.
#Don't know if NJ wants a FID for ammo.
#
#--
Officially, stores in NJ are supposed to ask for a driver's license to
sell you ammo, a FID is not necessary; I don't know about whether an
out-of-state license will do. This, in my experience, is one of those
laws that places like Wal-Mart and K-mart enforce rigorously - when I
patronized (*past tense*) K-mart for ammo, they asked for a license and
recorded my info and the info about the ammo I purchased, even if it was
just a couple of boxes of .22lr. Now I buy my ammo at a gun store up the
street that has yet to ask me for a license, but I think that's because I
haven't purchased any large-caliber ammo.
wk
TNickMS70
#>snip<<
<< Why would PA have a state law on selling ammo to out-of-staters? Maybe
the clerk has this confused with some other law, or is just confused. >>
This happens a lot at Giga-Marts (your tipoff is when the announcer on the
intercom asks "anyone close" to help out in Sporting Goods) where they use
"tag-team" staffing. When I am forced to be in the store (they alone carry
some medicinal products I must use) I love to stand near the firearms
counter, "browsing", and listen to the BS they bandy about as gospel!
Darklove
And hell spewed out this condemnation:
#
#J.K. wrote:
#
## Yesterday I was shopping at my local Wal-Mart (East Stroudsburg, PA).
## I asked the clerk behind the counter for a box of federal 22's, he
## I was a PA resident. I said yes but would that matter? And then he
## asked
##
## He said that it was a law that you were not allowed to sell ammo to
## somebody from out of state. I can't remember if he said it was a
## state or
## been
## ID'ed for ammo before.
I get it all the time. But I'm 19 and I think it's to makesure I'm
old enough.
Darklove
Rich Pierson
Wayne Knecht wrote:
# Officially, stores in NJ are supposed to ask for a driver's license to
# sell you ammo, a FID is not necessary; I don't know about whether an
# out-of-state license will do. This, in my experience, is one of those
# laws that places like Wal-Mart and K-mart enforce rigorously - when I
# patronized (*past tense*) K-mart for ammo, they asked for a license and
# recorded my info and the info about the ammo I purchased, even if it was
# just a couple of boxes of .22lr. Now I buy my ammo at a gun store up the
# street that has yet to ask me for a license, but I think that's because I
# haven't purchased any large-caliber ammo.
#
# wk
Back in `77 when I had the gun dept at Ramsey's
Outdoors in Ledgewood NJ we had to record ANY
ammo that was for handguns and that incuded .22's.
ID was required [DL or FID yellow card].
Reloading supplies were not ID'd except for BP
which we did not carry as we did not want to meet
the storage requirements.
The Walmart in Stroudsbrug PA is right across the
PA/NJ border, 2 exits west. The draconian NJ/NY laws
have driven ALOT of NJ and NY shooters to PA to
purchase supplies. If you go into Stroudsburg to the
largest gun store in town called "Dunkelbergers"
on any sat or sun you'd swear you're in Brooklyn
with all thoses NY accents [Have to wipe the handguns
off after they been looking at them, they drool alot]:-).
You can if you are a resident of NY or NJ purchase
a long gun in PA across the counter. The NJ resident
is required to have the NJ FID and DL and that's all.
Where this is leading to is that there are so far as I
know no Walmarts in NJ [at least Northen NJ] YET and
I know of no K-mart that carries guns or ammo in N NJ.
Therefore there are NO discount resources in NJ that
are available thoughout the state. Where I live there
are 3 walmarts all within 25 min east, south and west.
There is also a large influx of NJ and NY residents into
PA that may mistakenly have carried their understanding
of NJ law into PA. Lets face it, how well trained are
minimum wage people, while traveling in Field Service
I carried a techtronics rechargeable O scope. Every time
I'd go though airport security I'd tell them it was an
oscilliscope and get a blank look, have to demo it and
waste time. I fianlly told one security type in Atlanta
that it was a tri-corder, he said "Oh, Okay" and waved
me though, so I stuck two "StarFleet" stickers on it and
that's what it became, over time it became harder and
harder to keep a straight face. One security type said
"Gee, I didn't think they were that big", told him the
company hadn't upgraded to the hand held model yet.
And you guys wonder why reporters can't get facts
straight and politicians are incompetent. Can you
imagine most elected officials actually having to
work and produce something useful for a living.
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fi...@ptd.net
My opinions are my own as are my mistakes....
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David Frey
There are 5 Walmarts here in Columbia, SC, and the salespeople that work
in the sporting goods area vary tremendously. One store has two guys
that know more about guns and ammo than most gunshop owners, with quick
answers about stock and prices. Across town, the two behind the gun
counter are clueless. You have to take great pains to make sure they
understand your question and then you can't be sure of the answer.
Same with inventory and pricing. I bought a Ruger 10/22 stainless last
week for $160. Today another store had them for $120, but had sold out.
It took a long conversation between two store managers before I could
buy two more from a store WITH them in stock, at the lower price. I
thought a Wal-Mart was a Wal-Mart, but apparently not.
J. S. Hawken
Wall-Mart sets it's gun sales regulations to make it easy to use idiots to
sell products with a simple blanket policy. In the wall-mart super store in
my town (Kingsport, TN) the clerk told a customer he could only sell rifles
and shotguns to folks from the states that border TN. The law says you must
match the laws of the other states to sell to the residents from them. Rather
than know the law in all 50 states, the folks establishing policy, checked the
laws in the states that border TN and only sell to those residents. It's simple
for simple people to understand and the clerk doesn't need a law degree to
understand who may buy a rifle or shotgun. (store policy is set up for the
quality of worker you get at Min-Wage! ie. Idiots)
In article <5vmu8j$6...@xring.cs.umd.edu>, P_Le...@unhn.unh.edu says...
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Darklove
And hell spewed out this condemnation:
I was in walmart and I asked to look at a 10/22
(Came back a day later and got it.) At the time I was getting
some kickass shells for my 12 ga. The manager (I think) called
up the sporting goods guy, and then turned and noticed the five
or six boxes of sabots and buckshot, got a strange expression,
and said in a shakey voice "Where di-did you get that
ammunition?" I turned and pointed at a huge display of shells
a few feet to my left, (The end shelf of several aisles were
stacked with nothing else.) she mumble "Oh." and walked away.
Darklove
Michael Bills
Saga55 wrote:
# I have never been ID'ed for ammo. BUT!!! I do get alot of my ammo at
# Walmart and they always ask me "Is this for a rifle or a handgun?" before
# ringing it up. They are prompted by the computerized register to ask me.
# Some cashiers will ask me and some ignore the prompt and hit a key to
# continue the sale.
#
# But why ask me in the first place? Its mostly 22lr and I use it in
# handguns and rifles. And most important, ITS NONE OF THEIR BUSINESS!!!!
Just tell them its for both and then watch their heads spin around and
smoke shoot out of their ears.
george
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to be from brooklyn sheepshead bay and i' also have a conceal pistol
license from NY one police plaza and also a non-residence PA conceal
license from montgomery,county.you would'nt have to wipe clean any of the
firearm's i' touch,and yes i' do have a loud bklyn accent. "see you never
know"
TalkinGuns
Well here in Illinois you must present a (F)irearms (O)wners
(I)dentification (D) card to buy guns for ammo. I go with my father. We
both have foid cards. The cash register just prompts a sign that asks if
the buyer is over 18 but they just look at him and put yes.. We also have
to give them our foid cards they just look at it and see if I am legal.
Zack Carlson Owner and maintainer of
http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/3659/index.html (Shotgun Owners United)