FS: IMI Timber Wolf .357 Pump Action Rifle
Larry Anderson
Arms and now discontinued - this is a very scarce firearm. Condition is
virtually like-new, certainly NRA-excellent.
The Timber Wolf is a lightning fast, exceptionally smooth pump action
rifle with a a 10-round underbarrel tubular magazine as on a .22 rifle.
The top of the receiver has Weaver mount rails machined into the
receiver (similar to the Ruger Minis) so that the standard iron sights
can be used alternatively or even while an optic sight is mounted. The
iron sights are highly accurate, yet scoped this rifle is capable of
shooting 2" groups at 100 yards with the proper ammo.
The rifle takes down into a 24" barrel/receiver section and 17"
buttstock section by means of a coin slotted screw at the rear of the
action similar to the Marlin M39 take down action. Re-assembly takes
less than 30 seconds and the magazine can be fully loaded even when
taken down. The buttstock tang is vertically adjustable by means of an
allen screw hidden under the tang. Thus it is possible that the comb and
drop at the heel may be adjusted to favor either optic sight or iron
sight when you mount the rifle to your shoulder.
Lastly, the action digests .38 Special rounds just as easily as it does
.357 magnum rounds without the slightest hiccup. Comes with original
box, original Otis cleaning kit and a photocopied factory manual. The
price is $650 firm, shipped and insured. All local, state and federal
firearms laws will apply. The rifle is in Massachusetts.
Pix can be provided to those with serious interest.
Email questions to: la...@larryanderson.biz
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my news
endorsement in the original post but I am not trying to sell one. I
seriously doubt if mine could be made to shoot 2" groups at 100 yards. It
operates smoothly and has never failed to function and I find it a fun
plinker.
It shoulders fast and would be a good choice for hunting rabbits and
squirrels. Factory iron sights are of average quality. limited elevation
adjustments using a stepped rail similar to many 22s. windage is adjustable
by drifting the front sight in its dovetail.
So far I have been unsuccessful in finding a peep sight to fit it. I have a
red dot sight and find that adequate for the range and accuracy of the
rifle.
I will not post what I paid for mine here..
Ken Marsh
my news <res0...@verizon.net> wrote:
#I will not post what I paid for mine here..
The amazing increase in used TimberWolf prices indicates an untapped
market... anyone out there listening?
Ken.
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"my news" <res0...@verizon.net> wrote:
# I agree this is a very nice rifle. Would not give it the glowing
# endorsement in the original post but I am not trying to sell one. I
# seriously doubt if mine could be made to shoot 2" groups at 100 yards. It
# operates smoothly and has never failed to function and I find it a fun
# plinker.
#
# It shoulders fast and would be a good choice for hunting rabbits and
# squirrels. Factory iron sights are of average quality. limited elevation
# adjustments using a stepped rail similar to many 22s. windage is adjustable
# by drifting the front sight in its dovetail.
#
# So far I have been unsuccessful in finding a peep sight to fit it. I have a
# red dot sight and find that adequate for the range and accuracy of the
# rifle.
I drilled an tapped mine for a William peep, after machining away part
of the built in scope rails.
mine will shoot tiny little groups with handloads - ragged holes at 50
yards with oregon trail lasercast bullets. i've got a 1-4x Nikon on it,
which seems perfect for this rifle
#
# I will not post what I paid for mine here..
$239 for mine, dealer cost, back when they first came out. I have two,
one from Action Arms and one from IMI. One has been modified into a 16
1/2" bbl carbine. fun little gun that deserved better.
Nick Hull
kma...@fellspt.charm.net (Ken Marsh) wrote:
# Hi,
#
# my news <res0...@verizon.net> wrote:
# #I will not post what I paid for mine here..
#
# The amazing increase in used TimberWolf prices indicates an untapped
# market... anyone out there listening?
#
# Ken.
And the next time, make one that can be loaded while the action is
closed. That is probably why the timberwolf flopped.
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Clark Magnuson
#market... anyone out there listening?
#Ken.
The trouble with high prices for something out of production is that the
supply / demand curve may be steep.
We only know two points, the low demand that put it out of production
and the high demand with no production.
The add for a large quantity of Timberwolf rifle kits with few parts
missing has been running in Shotgun News.
A guy could buy those kits, machine the few small missing parts, and
sell the rifles wholesale one at a time in Shotgun News.
If he could get over the fear the market could be too easily flooded.
Clark
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GLC1173
#The add for a large quantity of Timberwolf >rifle kits with few parts
#missing has been running in Shotgun >News.
#A guy could buy those kits, machine the >few small missing parts, and
#sell the rifles wholesale one at a time in >Shotgun News.
I don't see that likely at all. First, the gap between the parts-kit price
and the Timberwolves in great shape I've seen at shows just isn't big enough to
encourage it. Second, that ad for the parts kits has run forever in Shotgun
News - with apparently few if any buyers; doesn't that alone tell you anything
about the "easy profit" in what you are talking about? Third, if high profits
this way were that easy, that parts-kit supplier - a major FFL - would be doing
it themselves.
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Ken Marsh
GLC1173 <glc...@aol.com> wrote:
#Clark wrote:
##The add for a large quantity of Timberwolf >rifle kits with few parts
##missing has been running in Shotgun >News.
##A guy could buy those kits, machine the >few small missing parts, and
##sell the rifles wholesale one at a time in >Shotgun News.
# I don't see that likely at all. First, the gap between the parts-kit price
#and the Timberwolves in great shape I've seen at shows just isn't big enough to
#encourage it. Second, that ad for the parts kits has run forever in Shotgun
#News - with apparently few if any buyers; doesn't that alone tell you anything
#about the "easy profit" in what you are talking about?
I re-read Clark's post several times, and I don't see anywhere any
mention of profit, easy or otherwise. His post was about saturation of
demand with oversupply and how it might be avoided. Getting a profit is
left as an exercise to the reader.
Third, if high profits
#this way were that easy,
I'm sorry, I missed where "high profits" were stated or implied to be
"easy". Can you quote where you got this idea from?
#that parts-kit supplier - a major FFL - would be doing it themselves.
What is easy for a machinist is not always so easy for an FFL holder
(and sometimes vice-versa).
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Anthony
can get a new Brazilian 1894 Winchester copy and they have a pretty good
reputation.
Tony
Larry Anderson
offers. I didn't think my price of $650 shipped was that out-of-line
considering the current selling prices on the auction boards when a
similar rifle is offered (and I hate using the auction boards).
I'm sure people have bought a Timber Wolf for less than my asking price
- a lot less if they bought it when they were first imported by Action
Arms. But they're no longer imported; in fact, the only way you can own
a Timber Wolf is to buy one of the few thousand that are already
in-country from an owner willing to sell - and there aren't many of
those. I wish I _weren't_ one of those, but I've got the 1911 bug and I
want to buy a Marvel Precision Unit 2 .22 Conversion Kit for my original
Series 70 and take the balance of the sale and put it towards another
base 1911 so I can start to learn how to build my own.
As for those disparaging my glowing report on the functioning and
capabilities of the rifle, well...1) I _am_ selling it, and 2) it's all
true.
It's a helluva fun gun and accurate. I had a Leopold 3x9 Vari-X III
scope mounted with QR Leopold rings and, bench-rested, using Georgia
Arms .357 Deer Stopper loads, shot a 3-round 2.4 inch group at 100
yards. If someone were loading their own ammo to match the rifle I'm
confident they could get a 2" group.
The condition of this rifle is LNIB. There's not a mark on the bluing
and the stock has so few marks that it's not worth mentioning. I know
I'll kick myself in the ass in the future but I already have a Marlin
1894CS in .357 done up by Ted Yost at Gunsite years ago as their "Police
Special" and to me, the lever action is lighter, more maneuverable and
even _more_ fun than the pump action.
The rifle comes with its original box and an Otis Cleaning Kit with the
Timber Wolf logo on it. It didn't have a manual but another owner sent
me a photocopy of his, and that's included.
I'll lower the price to $600 shipped. If you don't like this price, make
me an offer. I'll sell to the first person offering me $600 or, if no
one does, I'll accept the highest _reasonable_ offer after the coming
weekend.
If no one wants it, I'll put it back in the safe and just wait until I
can save up enough money to buy the conversion kit outright. I'm not
foolish enough to just give away a Timber Wolf.
Thanks for your attention and consideration.
Email offers to me at: la...@larryanderson.biz
GLC1173
#> Third, if high profits
#>#this way were that easy,
#>that parts-kit supplier - a major FFL - >>would be doing it themselves.
and replied:
#What is easy for a machinist is not >always so easy for an FFL holder
#(and sometimes vice-versa).
Any FFL holder - especially the major wholesaler peddling the parts kits -
could easily subcontract (or hire) a machinist or gunsmith if fixing these guns
was indeed that easy. Especially in the current job market - with many
machinists now out of work.
There is some damn good reason why the wholesaler didn't do that.
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Anthony
imported but after a couple years the price dropped to around $250. I
almost bought one then but a .357 magnum rifle still doesn't rate to high on
my priority list.
Tony
"Larry Anderson" <la...@larryanderson.biz> wrote in message
news:caar6d$6gk$1...@grapevine.wam.umd.edu...
# Well...this post has certainly generated lots of discussion - but no
# offers. I didn't think my price of $650 shipped was that out-of-line
# considering the current selling prices on the auction boards when a
# similar rifle is offered (and I hate using the auction boards).
#
# I'm sure people have bought a Timber Wolf for less than my asking price
# - a lot less if they bought it when they were first imported by Action
# Arms. But they're no longer imported; in fact, the only way you can own
# a Timber Wolf is to buy one of the few thousand that are already
# in-country from an owner willing to sell - and there aren't many of
# those. I wish I _weren't_ one of those, but I've got the 1911 bug and I
# want to buy a Marvel Precision Unit 2 .22 Conversion Kit for my original
# Series 70 and take the balance of the sale and put it towards another
# base 1911 so I can start to learn how to build my own.
#
# As for those disparaging my glowing report on the functioning and
# capabilities of the rifle, well...1) I _am_ selling it, and 2) it's all
# true.
#
# It's a helluva fun gun and accurate. I had a Leopold 3x9 Vari-X III
# scope mounted with QR Leopold rings and, bench-rested, using Georgia
# Arms .357 Deer Stopper loads, shot a 3-round 2.4 inch group at 100
# yards. If someone were loading their own ammo to match the rifle I'm
# confident they could get a 2" group.
#
# The condition of this rifle is LNIB. There's not a mark on the bluing
# and the stock has so few marks that it's not worth mentioning. I know
# I'll kick myself in the ass in the future but I already have a Marlin
# 1894CS in .357 done up by Ted Yost at Gunsite years ago as their "Police
# Special" and to me, the lever action is lighter, more maneuverable and
# even _more_ fun than the pump action.
#
# The rifle comes with its original box and an Otis Cleaning Kit with the
# Timber Wolf logo on it. It didn't have a manual but another owner sent
# me a photocopy of his, and that's included.
#
# I'll lower the price to $600 shipped. If you don't like this price, make
# me an offer. I'll sell to the first person offering me $600 or, if no
# one does, I'll accept the highest _reasonable_ offer after the coming
# weekend.
#
# If no one wants it, I'll put it back in the safe and just wait until I
# can save up enough money to buy the conversion kit outright. I'm not
# foolish enough to just give away a Timber Wolf.
#
# Thanks for your attention and consideration.
#
# Email offers to me at: la...@larryanderson.biz
GLC1173
#It's still about $300 over priced.
Down here in North Carolina, I occasionally see Timberwolves in excellent
condition on FFL dealers' tables in the $435-450 region. I agree any of these
rifles is way overpriced at $650.
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Larry Anderson
Look, if you think the price is too high, don't buy. Maybe it is, but I
won't sell it for less because it's worth that much to me.
For the past 30 years I've bought, sold and traded guns that seemed way
out-of-line in price but I wanted it, so I paid the price. Also, the
price of a used (or new) gun in North Carolina or in Arizona is
completely irrelevant to the price of the same gun in Massachusetts
(where I live) or in Connecticut - if the state will even _allow_ you to
have one.
Until the recent change in the Firearm's Roster here in MA you wouldn't
believe the prices used Glocks were getting - because it was illegal to
buy a _new_ Glock. So there was virtually no such thing as "overpriced"
- they were _all_ overpriced but people paid it because there was no
other way for them to own one.
And I will never tell how much I paid for my 1973 Colt Series 70
Government about a month ago because of embarrassment. I could have
bought _two_ S&W1911 (we can buy those here) but I didn't want that - I
wanted the original Series 70, so I paid the going rate. We aren't even
allowed to buy a Springfield Mil-Spec or the WW2 Auto Ordnance - and
both guns are made in MA - go figure.
So, my point is, you certainly have the right to trash my trying to sell
my Timber Wolf at my price - if I don't get it then, as I said, back in
the safe it goes (and I'll be glad in the future that I still have it.
I'll find some other way to raise the funds to buy what I want now.)
But don't think that, because you can buy a gun for $400 in the South,
that _that_ is the price it will sell for in the Northeast.
My intention isn't to rip anyone off - there are probably _lots_ of gun
owners who would be happy to pay my price for my rifle --- they just
haven't read my post.
Have a nice day.
In article <cahdpq$rlh$1...@grapevine.wam.umd.edu>,
glc...@aol.com (GLC1173) wrote:
# Anthony wrote:
# #It's still about $300 over priced.
#
# Down here in North Carolina, I occasionally see Timberwolves in excellent
# condition on FFL dealers' tables in the $435-450 region. I agree any of these
# rifles is way overpriced at $650.
John Husvar
# Anthony wrote:
#
# Down here in North Carolina, I occasionally see Timberwolves in excellent
# condition on FFL dealers' tables in the $435-450 region. I agree any of these
# rifles is way overpriced at $650.
# ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Reminds me of a small estate auction at a neighbors' place.
Two guys got into a pissing contest, bidding a Marlin (IIRC) lever
action .22 rifle up to $185. I had gone to K-Mart with the neighbor a
few weeks before he died He had purchased the rifle for $89.95.
Good deal for my neighbor's widow, but I had to laugh at the bid winner
bragging to his wife that he'd "beat that asshole out of a 'rare gun.' "
Ralph Mowery
# Boy, you guys are really hard <g>.
#
# Look, if you think the price is too high, don't buy. Maybe it is, but I
# won't sell it for less because it's worth that much to me.
That is the way I look at it. With people paying about $ 100 for a Glock
magazine that holds more than 10 rounds where you can get a 10 round one for
less than $ 20 I would say charge what you want and if it sells it does and
if it doesn't then you can adjust your price tuil it does sell or youdecide
to keep it.
GLC1173
#But don't think that, because you can buy >a gun for $400 in the South,
#that _that_ is the price it will sell for in the >Northeast.
#My intention isn't to rip anyone off - there >are probably _lots_ of gun
#owners who would be happy to pay my >price for my rifle --- they just
#haven't read my post.
One way to find out for sure - go to GunBroker.com or AuctionArms.com and
see what people are bidding for a particular model as the auction on it
approaches end.
Right now, nobody has a Timber Wolf listed on either.
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"John Husvar" <jhu...@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
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# Reminds me of a small estate auction at a neighbors' place.
#
# Two guys got into a pissing contest, bidding a Marlin (IIRC) lever
# action .22 rifle up to $185. I had gone to K-Mart with the neighbor a
# few weeks before he died He had purchased the rifle for $89.95.
#
# Good deal for my neighbor's widow, but I had to laugh at the bid winner
# bragging to his wife that he'd "beat that asshole out of a 'rare gun.' "
That's too funny. I can see paying more than a gun is worth if it had
special meaning to you. I gave my nephew $350 for my brother's old S&W .357
magnum. That was at least $100 more than it was worth to anybody else but
my brother had passed away some years earlier and I hadn't gotten anything
of his that meant anything to him. When I went shooting with my brother
this is the gun that he always brought out first and there's at least one
funny story associated with it. For my nephew it was win-win because he can
still go shooting with me any time he wants.
Tony
Anthony
"GLC1173" <glc...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:cahdpq$rlh$1...@grapevine.wam.umd.edu...
# Anthony wrote:
# #It's still about $300 over priced.
#
# Down here in North Carolina, I occasionally see Timberwolves in
excellent
# condition on FFL dealers' tables in the $435-450 region. I agree any of
these
# rifles is way overpriced at $650.
I guess they're increasing in value. The last used one I saw was in very
nice shape and the owner was asking $250 for it. I was a little to broke or
I would have bought it.
Tony
Anthony
about it. The difference between here and at a gunshow, is that here people
don't talk behind your back.
Tony
"Larry Anderson" <la...@larryanderson.biz> wrote in message
news:cahtre$4c0$1...@grapevine.wam.umd.edu...
# Boy, you guys are really hard <g>.
#
# Look, if you think the price is too high, don't buy. Maybe it is, but I
# won't sell it for less because it's worth that much to me.
#
# For the past 30 years I've bought, sold and traded guns that seemed way
# out-of-line in price but I wanted it, so I paid the price. Also, the
# price of a used (or new) gun in North Carolina or in Arizona is
# completely irrelevant to the price of the same gun in Massachusetts
# (where I live) or in Connecticut - if the state will even _allow_ you to
# have one.
#
# Until the recent change in the Firearm's Roster here in MA you wouldn't
# believe the prices used Glocks were getting - because it was illegal to
# buy a _new_ Glock. So there was virtually no such thing as "overpriced"
# - they were _all_ overpriced but people paid it because there was no
# other way for them to own one.
#
# And I will never tell how much I paid for my 1973 Colt Series 70
# Government about a month ago because of embarrassment. I could have
# bought _two_ S&W1911 (we can buy those here) but I didn't want that - I
# wanted the original Series 70, so I paid the going rate. We aren't even
# allowed to buy a Springfield Mil-Spec or the WW2 Auto Ordnance - and
# both guns are made in MA - go figure.
#
# So, my point is, you certainly have the right to trash my trying to sell
# my Timber Wolf at my price - if I don't get it then, as I said, back in
# the safe it goes (and I'll be glad in the future that I still have it.
# I'll find some other way to raise the funds to buy what I want now.)
#
# But don't think that, because you can buy a gun for $400 in the South,
# that _that_ is the price it will sell for in the Northeast.
#
# My intention isn't to rip anyone off - there are probably _lots_ of gun
# owners who would be happy to pay my price for my rifle --- they just
# haven't read my post.
#
# Have a nice day.
thumper
you're referring to?). It's the only lever action .22 (besides the
more expensive Texican) that I know Marlin produces right now.
On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 16:02:56 +0000 (UTC), John Husvar
<jhu...@neo.rr.com> wrote:
#
#Reminds me of a small estate auction at a neighbors' place.
#
#Two guys got into a pissing contest, bidding a Marlin (IIRC) lever
#action .22 rifle up to $185. I had gone to K-Mart with the neighbor a
#few weeks before he died He had purchased the rifle for $89.95.
#
#Good deal for my neighbor's widow, but I had to laugh at the bid winner
#bragging to his wife that he'd "beat that asshole out of a 'rare gun.' "