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H.S. Precision endorsement by Ron Horiuchi

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Robert Scott

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Nov 27, 2008, 6:08:33 PM11/27/08
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Have you seen H.S. Precisions' new advertisement? It's a full page; a
reprint of a letter from Ron Horiuchi (FBI sniper who shot Vicki Weaver in
the face at Ruby Ridge).

What incredibly poor taste!!!

It insured I will NEVER buy an H.S. Precision product, ever.

Good shooting,
desmobob


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Nov 28, 2008, 8:48:05 AM11/28/08
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Robert Scott wrote:
# Have you seen H.S. Precisions' new advertisement? It's a full page; a
# reprint of a letter from Ron Horiuchi (FBI sniper who shot Vicki Weaver in
# the face at Ruby Ridge).
#
# What incredibly poor taste!!!
#
# It insured I will NEVER buy an H.S. Precision product, ever.
#
# Good shooting,
# desmobob

I didn't know the guy's name until now. Have you thought of writing
H.S. Precision a letter telling them how you feel?

Tony

jbu...@yahoo.com

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Nov 28, 2008, 8:48:11 AM11/28/08
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On Nov 27, 6:08 pm, "Robert Scott" <desmo...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> ...

Yes, I heard about that. Some ad exec and/or copywriter didn't do his
homework, and Horiuchi could have been more upfront about his past.

Adam Smith

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Nov 28, 2008, 8:48:13 AM11/28/08
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Robert Scott wrote:
# Have you seen H.S. Precisions' new advertisement? It's a full page; a
# reprint of a letter from Ron Horiuchi (FBI sniper who shot Vicki Weaver in
# the face at Ruby Ridge).
#
# What incredibly poor taste!!!
#
# It insured I will NEVER buy an H.S. Precision product, ever.
#
# Good shooting,
# desmobob
#
#

I'm going to also write complaint letters to any gun magazines I get
that have H-S Precision ads in them. I will be dropping my subscription
to said magazines. Magazines live or die by their subscription numbers,
and that may do more than just futile complaints to H-S Precision.


--


Will the last American please lower the flag, fold it carefully, and put
it away?

Adam Smith

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Nov 28, 2008, 8:48:13 AM11/28/08
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Robert Scott wrote:
# Have you seen H.S. Precisions' new advertisement? It's a full page; a
# reprint of a letter from Ron Horiuchi (FBI sniper who shot Vicki Weaver in
# the face at Ruby Ridge).
#
# What incredibly poor taste!!!
#
# It insured I will NEVER buy an H.S. Precision product, ever.
#
# Good shooting,
# desmobob
#
#
#

It's Lon, not Ron, Horiuchi. We should get the names of our murdering
thugs correctly.

I couldn't find the endorsement on their site, but I did read commentary
saying it's on the rear of their print catalog. I found one reproduction
of said last page:

http://www.gunnuts-tng.com/2008/11/boycott-hs-precision.html

It’s hard to read, but Lon Horiuchi's name is definitely at the bottom.

I have sent an email to the company complaining, though I doubt they‘ll
care. My guess is their cliental are primarily LEO's who would approve
of Horiuchi's actions, so his endorsement will benefit the company. Or
am I just being cynical again?


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Will the last American please lower the flag, fold it carefully, and put
it away?

Robert Scott

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Nov 28, 2008, 8:48:15 AM11/28/08
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"Robert Scott" <desm...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:ggn99h$g02$1...@dailyplanet.umd.edu...
# Have you seen H.S. Precisions' new advertisement? It's a full page; a
# reprint of a letter from Ron Horiuchi (FBI sniper who shot Vicki Weaver in

# the face at Ruby Ridge).
#
# What incredibly poor taste!!!
#
# It insured I will NEVER buy an H.S. Precision product, ever.


Corrections: It's not an advertisement; it's the back page of their
catalog. And the FBI sniper's name is "Lon" not "Ron."

Sorry for the errors.... it made me so upset I posted too quickly! How
disgusting!

RB

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Nov 28, 2008, 2:25:02 PM11/28/08
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Adam Smith wrote:
# Robert Scott wrote:
# # Have you seen H.S. Precisions' new advertisement? It's a full page; a
# # reprint of a letter from Ron Horiuchi (FBI sniper who shot Vicki Weaver in
# # the face at Ruby Ridge).

# #
# # What incredibly poor taste!!!
# #
# # It insured I will NEVER buy an H.S. Precision product, ever.
# #
# # Good shooting,
# # desmobob
# #
# #
#
# I'm going to also write complaint letters to any gun magazines I get
# that have H-S Precision ads in them. I will be dropping my subscription
# to said magazines. Magazines live or die by their subscription numbers,
# and that may do more than just futile complaints to H-S Precision.

Actually, most live or die by their ad revenue.
The subscription income is just icing on the cake.

jbu...@yahoo.com

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Nov 28, 2008, 2:25:04 PM11/28/08
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# I have sent an email to the company complaining, though I doubt they‘ll
# care. My guess is their cliental are primarily LEO's who would approve
# of Horiuchi's actions, so his endorsement will benefit the company. Or
# am I just being cynical again?
#

Yes, you're being cynical, and yes, you're probably right.

greylock

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Nov 28, 2008, 2:25:05 PM11/28/08
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THere is no one among the half-dozen cops I know who approves of his
actions.

That may very well vary by the area you live in however. As I am in
the Houston area, my results may not be typical nationwide.

Adam Smith

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Nov 29, 2008, 11:51:41 AM11/29/08
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# Actually, most live or die by their ad revenue.
# The subscription income is just icing on the cake.
#
#

Yes, but the rates charged to advertisers are based upon sales. As sales
decline, the rates charged to advertisers also decline and total
magazine revenue go down.

nord...@yahoo.com

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Nov 29, 2008, 11:51:42 AM11/29/08
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# There is no one among the half-dozen cops I know who approves of his
# actions.  
#
# That may very well vary by the area you live in however. As I am in
# the Houston area, my results may not be typical nationwide.

That may be true, as far as it goes, but it's the rare on-the-job or
retired copper - local, state, or federal - who'll cross the thin blue
line to actively side with citizens in such matters...there are things
we just don't understand, not being sworn and all. I suspect the
average law enforcement administrator cares more for Horiuchi's
current program credentials that the fact that he negligently,
accidentally, maliciously, or deliberately (depending the flavor of
coolaid you're drinking) shot a female suspect, unarmed combatant, or
mother holding a baby (as you prefer) through the head during a
standoff (that the revenuers and marshalls had already fubar'd before
the bureau showed up) decades ago...there are things we just don't
understand, not being sworn and all.

Still, I'm glad I have all the H-S Precision products I need or a
fella would have send a letter...

H-S PRECISION, INC.
1301 TURBINE DRIVE,
RAPID CITY, SD 57703

in...@hsprecision.com

Hank

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Nov 29, 2008, 11:51:45 AM11/29/08
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When you call to complain there is an option to order a catalog. I
figured "why not", it must cost something to print and mail those. I
gave my name as H. S. Reardon so that if they sell my name I'll know
who did it...

RB

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Nov 29, 2008, 11:51:40 AM11/29/08
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greylock wrote:
# THere is no one among the half-dozen cops I know who approves of his
# actions.
#
# That may very well vary by the area you live in however. As I am in
# the Houston area, my results may not be typical nationwide.

Any LEO who approves of Horiuchi's actions is not worthy of his badge.
He represents the government that the 2nd Amendment was written for.

Ron Bloom

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Nov 29, 2008, 11:51:47 AM11/29/08
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# Actually, most live or die by their ad revenue.
# The subscription income is just icing on the cake.

If I shot that woman in the face, I would be in prison. He violated the
simple rules of engagement. This is the typical Soviet, two levels of
citizenship.

Long Ranger

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Nov 29, 2008, 11:51:58 AM11/29/08
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# Actually, most live or die by their ad revenue.
# The subscription income is just icing on the cake.

Right, but don't you think the number of subscribers is directly linked to
how much they can charge for ad space?

Louis Boyd

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Nov 30, 2008, 8:25:39 AM11/30/08
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RB wrote:

# Any LEO who approves of Horiuchi's actions is not worthy of his badge.
# He represents the government that the 2nd Amendment was written for.

Give poor L. Horiuchi a break. He's just following his training. The
sniper's motto is "One shot - One kill" He did that just fine. The
sniper's code is not "One shot - one kill when it's legally and morally
justified".

haraoi...@yahoo.com

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Nov 30, 2008, 8:25:41 AM11/30/08
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On Nov 29, 11:51 am, Hank <HenryRear...@gmail.com> wrote:
# When you call to complain there is an option to order a catalog.  I
# figured "why not", it must cost something to print and mail those.  I
# gave my name as H. S. Reardon so that if they sell my name I'll know
# who did it...
#
We can all go to their website and order a catalog also
http://www.hsprecision.com/

Jim Yanik

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Nov 30, 2008, 5:16:18 PM11/30/08
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Louis Boyd <bo...@apt0.sao.arizona.edu> wrote in
news:ggu48j$4qc$1...@dailyplanet.umd.edu:

# RB wrote:
#
# # Any LEO who approves of Horiuchi's actions is not worthy of his badge.
# # He represents the government that the 2nd Amendment was written for.
#
# Give poor L. Horiuchi a break. He's just following his training. The
# sniper's motto is "One shot - One kill" He did that just fine. The
# sniper's code is not "One shot - one kill when it's legally and morally
# justified".

What a load of CRAP.
There was NO THREAT posed by the woman,no reson to be shooting at all.
There ARE rules of engagement,and they were violated,and not prosecuted.

All LEO snipers shots MUST be "legally justified".
Else it's murder.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

clarkm...@gmail.com

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Dec 4, 2008, 8:18:44 AM12/4/08
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Lon Horiuchi has the distinction of being wanted by the American
public, but still a government employee.
There are no current photographs, addresses, leads, or public
appearances.
He is effectively in the witness protection program.
Shooting a Vicki Weaver holding her baby standing in her house, using
a 308 sniper rifle with a scope, has made him singularly unpopular.

Lon Horiuchi is in a class by himself, and I'll bet it's lonely.

Adam Smith

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Dec 4, 2008, 10:30:39 PM12/4/08
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clarkm...@gmail.com wrote:
# Lon Horiuchi has the distinction of being wanted by the American
# public, but still a government employee.
# There are no current photographs, addresses, leads, or public
# appearances.
# He is effectively in the witness protection program.
# Shooting a Vicki Weaver holding her baby standing in her house, using
# a 308 sniper rifle with a scope, has made him singularly unpopular.
#
# Lon Horiuchi is in a class by himself, and I'll bet it's lonely.
#
#
#

Is he still an FBI agent? Is he still assigned to the FBI's Unpopular
People's Assassination Squad (aka, HRT)? Is anything at all known about
him at present?


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Will the last American please lower the flag, fold it carefully, and put
it away?

Robert Scott

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Dec 5, 2008, 8:04:17 PM12/5/08
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He retired in 2006. In other words, though his disgusting actions caused
the FBI to pay out right around $3.5 million in damages for "wrongful death"
etc., suits, his employer kept him on until retirement!

How many of us would still have a job if we screwed up badly enough to cost
our employer over three million dollars? The whole situation is so
completely revolting it is absolutely amazing that anyone would want to even
admit knowing the guy, let alone use an endorsement from him. I cannot put
into words how disgusted I am.

Check the other thread, "Remington and HS Precision". I wrote to Ducks
Unlimited because their logo is on that page of the catalog. They said they
were unaware of it and have NO relationship with HSP. I encourage everyone
to send at least a couple of e-mails in regards to this situation. Put the
heat on HSP for being so callous, bold and distasteful.

Good shooting,
desmobob

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