Ok to dry fire Browning Buckmark?
Charlie Dilks
safety section and related to treating a gun as if it were loaded.
It looks like it has a good solid step to the firing pin, just so it's not
allowed to reach the chamber. Anybody know? I don't feel like disassembling
mine and measuring it.
Ruger did it, I hope Browning does too.
--
Charlie Dilks Newark, DE USA
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repair I asked the production manager that same question and to
paraphrase he said It wouldn't hurt but did recommend using snapcaps.Was
that a direct answer to my question?..Not really so just to be safe I
use snapcaps.You have that 800 number for One Browning Place?If so give
them a call.When I dealt with them they seemed very helpful.Must add
when I had trouble with the safety on my Buckmark they sent me a new
upgraded pistol(Buckmark Plus) and 3 extra mags plus round trip postage
paid...
Ray,
(Si vis pacem,
para bellum)™
HBWadcutter
Had the same question. Asked my gun shop's gun smith. Answer was "No.
Buckmark is one of the few guns that can be damaged by repeated dry
firing." Don't know the mechanics of it myself. But when I'm told by a
gun smith not to do something, that's enough for me.
Joe
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same=bad news. Snap Caps are a lot cheaper and safer than a trip to the
repair shop - or to the factory for that matter.
Andy
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Charlie Dilks <cdi...@bellatlantic.net> wrote:
# The only thing I found in their instructions said not to, but it was
in the
Charlie,
The potential for damage is that the pin can strike the breech and
either deform the pin, or peen the breech. I just use a plastic snap
cap and it works fine. The good think about the Buckmark is that you
can keep an empty mag in and it makes loading the snap cap easier.
Good Luck,
Pete
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Charlie Dilks
2/8/01 9:44 PM:
# Charlie,
# The potential for damage is that the pin can strike the breech and
# either deform the pin, or peen the breech. I just use a plastic snap
# cap and it works fine. The good think about the Buckmark is that you
# can keep an empty mag in and it makes loading the snap cap easier.
Hi Pete,
I had an email reply from someone who said that he'd had a firing pin break
when he dry fired his Buckmark extensively in a training course. Next time I
have mine apart I'll measure the distance it sticks out. If it clears the
breech, I'll feel safe. I'll just keep an extra firing pin and allen wrench
with me. ;)
Dry firing is good practice. What's a broken part if it doesn't damage
anything? Whenever machines are really "used," parts break. I mean really,
don't your snap caps go flying across the room when ejected to cock the gun?
;)
--
Charlie Dilks Newark, DE USA
Alex Clayton
allowed to hit it repeatedly in could peen it to the point where you may
start getting a lot of misfirer's. The Rugers have a pin that keeps the
pin from being able to strike the face. They warn you about making sure
it's still in when you re assemble the pistol. If the Buck Mark does not
have such an arraignment I would not make a habit of dry fireing it. A
broken pin would be easy to fix. A peened breach face wold not be so
easy to deal with.
cdi...@bellatlantic.net (Charlie Dilks)
>wrote:
I had an email reply from someone who said that he'd had a firing pin
break when he dry fired his Buckmark extensively in a training course.
Next time I have mine apart I'll measure the distance it sticks out. If
it clears the breech, I'll feel safe. I'll just keep an extra firing pin
and allen wrench with me. ;)
Dry firing is good practice. What's a broken part if it doesn't damage
anything? Whenever machines are really "used," parts break. I mean
really, don't your snap caps go flying across the room when ejected to
cock the gun?
;)
--
Charlie Dilks Newark, DE USA
#"Yield to temptation; it may not pass your way again."
#Lazarus Long
R.M.R.
other 22lr's for that matter.A few dry fires won't hurt anything but the
way I got the feel of the trigger and properly broke in mine and other
22s was to take it to the range with a s#!t load of ammo and shoot the
hell out of it.In side of an hour you'll know your trigger and have the
parts well settled in.Just bring along a cleaning kit and run a patch
down the bore once in awhile and shoot some more.Price for .22 ammo
Isn't an issue.Dry Firing doesn't do squat to season a guns parts
(completely) compared to actual shooting.The slide,buffer,and feed ramp
plus some other parts I don't know may be getting short change.What I'm
saying is for .22lr's. Other type actions may need a good amount of dry
firing and lord knows I've done my share especially with revolvers and
levers actions but even with them nothing is going to compared to the
real thing.Kind of like sex {-:
Ray,
(Si vis pacem
para bellum)™
David Rackley
without a cartridge, the firing pin impacts the rim of the
chamber with considerable force.
While a few likely won't hurt, dry firing will eventually cause
damage to the chamber rim and blunting of the firing pin. Firing
pins can be replaced, but once the chamber rim is ruined, your
gun is toast.
Never dry fire a rim fire firearm!
Dave
"R.M.R." wrote:
#
# I really don't know what the big deal is on dry firing the Buckmark..or
# other 22lr's for that matter.A few dry fires won't hurt anything but the
# way I got the feel of the trigger and properly broke in mine and other
# 22s was to take it to the range with a s#!t load of ammo and shoot the
# hell out of it.In side of an hour you'll know your trigger and have the
# parts well settled in.Just bring along a cleaning kit and run a patch
# down the bore once in awhile and shoot some more.Price for .22 ammo
# Isn't an issue.Dry Firing doesn't do squat to season a guns parts
# (completely) compared to actual shooting.The slide,buffer,and feed ramp
# plus some other parts I don't know may be getting short change.What I'm
# saying is for .22lr's. Other type actions may need a good amount of dry
# firing and lord knows I've done my share especially with revolvers and
# levers actions but even with them nothing is going to compared to the
# real thing.Kind of like sex {-:
#
# Ray,
# (Si vis pacem
# para bellum)™
JOHN GARAND
WROTE:
#The problem is not the fireing pin it's the breach face. If the pin is
#allowed to hit it repeatedly in could peen it to the point where you may
#start getting a lot of misfirer's. The Rugers have a pin that keeps the
#pin from being able to strike the face. They warn you about making sure
#it's still in when you re assemble the pistol. If the Buck Mark does not
#have such an arraignment I would not make a habit of dry fireing it. A
#broken pin would be easy to fix. A peened breach face wold not be so
#easy to deal with.
While this was a common occurrence in years past, I'm not sure any of
the current major manufacturer's .22s are made without some provision
for preventing the firing pin striking the breech face and peening the
chamber.
J Randall Knapp
"Alex Clayton" <Alex...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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# The problem is not the fireing pin it's the breach face. If the pin is
# allowed to hit it repeatedly in could peen it to the point where you may
# start getting a lot of misfirer's. The Rugers have a pin that keeps the
# pin from being able to strike the face. They warn you about making sure
# it's still in when you re assemble the pistol. If the Buck Mark does not
# have such an arraignment I would not make a habit of dry fireing it. A
# broken pin would be easy to fix. A peened breach face wold not be so
# easy to deal with.
I had the firing pin break on my Buckmark. It does have a pin that limits
the forward motion, although I never did measure to see if it keeps the
firing pin off the breach face. This was the spot where the firing pin broke
by the way.
Its fairly easy to change, but you need a punch to drift a roll pin out of
the way like the Ruger 10/22. Then you have to hold the firing pin far
enough forward to drive the roll pin back in place after you swap the new
pin for the broken one.
Randy
Alex Clayton
doing this. Even though I know my Rugers are supposed to be safe to dry
fire I hate doing it. I guess it was all those years of having it
drilled into me as a kid to NEVER dry fire a rim fire <G>. Years ago one
of the kind rec.guns people e-mailed me to say you could hold the slide
slightly open and still release the fireing pin on the MKII's. I tried
and sure enough it does work. When I get done cleaning or shooting my
MKII's this is what I have done since. Anyone tried this with a Buck
Mark? Will it work with them too?
kn...@networld.com (J Randall Knapp)
>wrote:
I had the firing pin break on my Buckmark. It does have a pin that
limits the forward motion, although I never did measure to see if it
keeps the firing pin off the breach face.
>snip
Randy
#"Yield to temptation; it may not pass your way again."
#Lazarus Long
Jeffrey Herman
#The only .22 I know that was designed for dry firing was Browning's
#Medallist, that had a special safety movement that locked the firing
#pin.
The manual of my Ruger 22/45 (a .22 with a .45-type grip) states,
"The pistol can be dry fired as long as the firing pin stop is in
in place."
This stop is a small protruding pin in the bolt which prevents the
firing pin from flying too far forward.
Jeff
(USCG vet)
Jeffrey Herman
#The only .22 I know that was designed for dry firing was Browning's
#Medallist, that had a special safety movement that locked the firing
#pin.
The manual of my Ruger 22/45 (a .22 with a .45-type grip) states,
"The pistol can be dry fired as long as the firing pin stop is in
in place."
This stop is a small protruding pin in the bolt which prevents the
firing pin from flying too far forward.
Jeff
(USCG vet)
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Will M
Will M.
JOHN GARAND wrote:
#
# #have such an arraignment I would not make a habit of dry fireing it. A
# #broken pin would be easy to fix. A peened breach face wold not be so
# #easy to deal with.
#
# While this was a common occurrence in years past, I'm not sure any of
# the current major manufacturer's .22s are made without some provision
# for preventing the firing pin striking the breech face and peening the
# chamber.
#
R.M.R.
you could hold the slide slightly open and still release the fireing pin
on the MKII's. I tried and sure enough it does work. When I get done
cleaning or shooting my MKII's this is what I have done since. Anyone
tried this with a Buck Mark? Will it work with them too?
Sure will Alex,Think I got that bit of knowledge from some good person
on rec.guns also pertaining to my Buckmark.It also works on my
Ruger10-22.Nifty little bit of advice Isn't it.
Who ever told me that,thanks
Ray,
(Si vis pacem,
para bellum)™
JOHN GARAND
#I've seen several of the new S&W .22 autos with peened breech faces.
#
#Will M.
#
#JOHN GARAND wrote:
##
## #have such an arraignment I would not make a habit of dry fireing it. A
## #broken pin would be easy to fix. A peened breach face wold not be so
## #easy to deal with.
##
## While this was a common occurrence in years past, I'm not sure any of
## the current major manufacturer's .22s are made without some provision
## for preventing the firing pin striking the breech face and peening the
## chamber.
##
While I am sure of the Rugers, obviously the S&Ws do not have such a
provision. Oh well, I'm safe as I'm not about to buy a new Smith.
WVanhou237
<GARAND_...@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
#
##I've seen several of the new S&W .22 autos with peened breech faces.
##
#While I am sure of the Rugers, obviously the S&Ws do not have such a
#provision. Oh well, I'm safe as I'm not about to buy a new Smith.
#
Maybe it depends on what flavor of S&W you are using. My M-41 does
have a small pin that goes through the slide and the firing pin. It must
serve the purpose of a "stop" because I've been dry-firing my M-41
occasionally for several years for practice without a problem.
Bill Van Houten (USA Ret)
"No matter how hard you try, you can't throw a potato chip very far."
"Linus"
HAL 9000
#Maybe it depends on what flavor of S&W you are using. My M-41 does
#have a small pin that goes through the slide and the firing pin. It must
#serve the purpose of a "stop" because I've been dry-firing my M-41
#occasionally for several years for practice without a problem.
Can anyone be more conclusive on this point ?
Thanks,
Mark
M
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# On 16 Feb 2001 21:28:13 -0500, wvanh...@aol.com (WVanhou237) wrote:
# #Maybe it depends on what flavor of S&W you are using. My M-41 does
# #have a small pin that goes through the slide and the firing pin. It must
# #serve the purpose of a "stop" because I've been dry-firing my M-41
# #occasionally for several years for practice without a problem.
# Can anyone be more conclusive on this point ?
# Thanks,
# Mark
The pin through the slide is called the bolt pin.
It holds the bolt assembly in the slide, along with the firing pin.
It is NOT intended to prevent damage due to dry firing.
The risk from dry firing is that the firing pin will reach far enough forward
to hit the back of the barrel and create a dent, often raising a burr at
the edge of the chamber. This can cause difficulty in chambering and
extraction; it can also cause accuracy problems.
It is often possible to 'iron out' the burr in the chamber. Doing this
without buggering up the chamber can be tricky. The last time I repaired
this type of damage it required a number of test fire/examine brass/
modify chamber cycles before I got the gun functioning reliably. Since I
bought the gun with the damaged barrel, I'll never know if this problem
compromised its original accuracy.
Whether or not a specific M-41 has this problem is determined by the way
the firing pin, breechface and barrel were machined. I have more than one
M-41 and several barrels. Most combinations of slide and barrel show no
problem with the firing pin hitting the chamber edge. Other combinations
do show that the barrel is lightly hit by the firing pin. In theory one
could slightly shorten the firing pin. I would NOT recommend this as it may
lead to light strikes and failures to go bang.
In general I would suggest avoiding dry firing ANY rimfire pistol.
If you simply must, you can put a FIRED case in the chamber, occasionally
rotating it to present a fresh surface for the firing pin. Knock it out
from the muzzle with a plastic or wooden rod when you are finished. It
is also possible to make a home-made 'snap cap' to protect the chamber
edge if you are so inclined.
Hope this helps.
Carl Vickery
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