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Timothy R. Bonine, M.D.

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Sep 6, 2002, 7:36:51 AM9/6/02
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I was looking through a copy of American Rifleman from 1951 and found an ad
for a Bausch & Lomb rifle scope with a fixed reticle, and scope mount that
contained the elevation & windage adjustment mechanism. If I'm not
mistaken, Bushnell owns the Bausch & Lomb trademark for sport optics now,
but no mention of such a scope/mount combination can be found on their
website. Does anyone know if a fixed reticle scope with adjustable mount is
currently available? Has anyone ever seen/used the original Bausch & Lomb
version?

Thanks in advance,
Tim
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Charles Winters

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Sep 7, 2002, 1:44:26 AM9/7/02
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Dear Tim: Jeff Cooper, among others, also bemoans the passing of this
design. Alas, its not to be found in the marketplace anywhere since
perfection of the internal adjustment design. Adam Smith's invisible
hand has led the way to a supposedly better way of doing things. - CW

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FBC3

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Sep 7, 2002, 8:22:16 AM9/7/02
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Although it makes sense to have the simplicity and potentially superior
strength and sealing of a scope without internal adjustments, the B&L design
was not a success. The gunsmiths I worked with dismissed the mounts as a
nightmare, and I never asked for details. FB, Denver

hamrdog

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Sep 7, 2002, 8:22:57 AM9/7/02
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it just so happens my neighbor has an old Winchester Model 70 with
just such a scope/mount combo. it looks like it would be great for a
hunting rifle or rifle that was fired as a set range, as the base
isn't easily "finger adjustable". as far as i know, no current
manufacturers make an adjustable scope base. extreme long range
target shooters (like 1500+ yard competitors) would love to have an
easily adjustable base, but they are pretty much a custom product.

andy b.


On Fri, 6 Sep 2002 11:36:51 +0000 (UTC), "Timothy R. Bonine, M.D."
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Phil Schempf

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Sep 8, 2002, 8:34:01 AM9/8/02
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"Timothy R. Bonine, M.D." wrote:

# Has anyone ever seen/used the original Bausch & Lomb version?
#
# Thanks in advance,
# Tim

Tim-

I have a B&L Balvar 8A mounted on a Buehler Microdial base. The scope is a
2.5X8 variable with no internal adjustments. The scope is very bright. I've
been told that it allows more light to pass due to the lack of the extra parts
that an internal adjustment scope has. The base adjusts windage with a pair of
opposing screws. Slack off one and tighten the other to move the scope left or
right. There is a dial about 1" in diameter under the rear of the base to
adjust elevation. It works, but is not as convenient as simply giving a turret
a twist - probably why it wasn't more popular. I have it mounted on a .30-06
and took a nice mule deer with it a few years ago. I've thought it would be
better on a rifle for a caliber with limited bullet weights to minimize the need
for adjustment, but that is 20/20 hindsight. Balvars are still fairly available
used for about $75, but I don't recall seeing any mounts for them.

Phil

Ken Marsh

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Sep 9, 2002, 7:14:39 PM9/9/02
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Hi,

If it has a big spring on it, it is a "return to battery" model that
slides forward under recoil. External adjustment scopes used to be the
high-end choice for bench- resters and varmint shooters. The US-made B&L
Bal-* series scopes were quite pricey for their time and defined optical
excellence. They competed with Lyman Targetspot, Redfield 3200's and
Unertl. This style of scope was so popular that even Tasco made some.

The original B&L scopes disappeared soon after the merger with Bushnell.
The name was later recycled for the Japanese-made Elite 3000/4000 series
(now 3200/4200). These are all internal adjustment scopes, though.

Nowadays Unertl does mainly maintenance on old sutff, so if you want a
new scope and/or mounts, you have to go to Mitchell Optics, Inc. of
Sidney, IL. He makes his own micrometer adjustable mounts and scopes
that are better than anything made in the "good old days".

Mitchell Optics
2072 CR 1100
N Sidney, IL 61877
(217) 688-2219
(217) 688-2505

Ken.
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Stan Schaefer

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Sep 12, 2002, 9:48:34 PM9/12/02
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"Timothy R. Bonine, M.D." <bon...@sandpoint.net> wrote in message news:<ala40j$17f$1...@grapevine.wam.umd.edu>...
# I was looking through a copy of American Rifleman from 1951 and found an ad
# for a Bausch & Lomb rifle scope with a fixed reticle, and scope mount that
# contained the elevation & windage adjustment mechanism. If I'm not
# mistaken, Bushnell owns the Bausch & Lomb trademark for sport optics now,
# but no mention of such a scope/mount combination can be found on their
# website. Does anyone know if a fixed reticle scope with adjustable mount is
# currently available? Has anyone ever seen/used the original Bausch & Lomb
# version?

#
# Thanks in advance,
# Tim
#
My dad bought a Win M88 with just such a mount from a Shotgun News ad,
when the box arrived, the scope had disconnected from the mount and
was bouncing all over the box. I was not impressed. There was just a
small spring plunger holding the thing in place, any drop would cause
it to compress and the scope would snap loose. You've got to
remember that there's been 50 years of design effort in sealing scopes
and those old scopes weren't as advanced as what we have now. Those
old mounts were expensive to make, too. In my opinion, one of those
things where the theory is better than the reality.

If you want a way to center your reticle adjustments to compensate for
poor base hole drilling or an off-center bore, Burris makes the
Signature rings with eccentric inserts. I use them, they're great.
There's also been some semi-custom rings with adjustments built into
them, considerably more expensive.

Stan

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