CZ 75B .40 range report
Objekt
firing. CZ has some 'splainin' to do!
Nine rounds into my last clip (it only holds 10) from my first box of
Winchester .40 target loads, the slide stayed back. I was *positive* I
hadn't fired all 10 rounds, so I angled the gun slightly to see what was
going on, whilst keeping it pointed in the general direction of the target.
I saw a case still in the breech, with the last round pushed up against it,
half-out of the clip. I then thought I had bad ammo, but noticed the primer
had definitely been clobbered by the firing pin. Also, I was sure I'd
counted 9 shots.
My next thought was "slowfire" so I kept the gun pointed downrange for about
30 seconds, per the manual. No discharge. Well, this one definitely isn't
covered in the manual!
Another trigger pull did nothing. I tried releasing the slide; no dice.
Couldn't drop the clip. It occurred to me that the last round, being
half-out of the clip, was wedged between the slide's back wall (breech
face?) and the back end of the previous round's case. There was no way the
clip was coming out until I fixed that.
It seemed like an extremely bad idea to push down on the remaining round
with my finger. For all I knew, the slide would suddenly spring forward,
and *nip* there would go my fingertip. In retrospect, I doubt the recoil
spring has enough power to sever one's finger, but I wasn't taking any
chances. I still wasn't sure what the deal was with round #9.
Finally, using the patch rod in place of a finger, I managed to push round
#10 down far enough so the clip would drop. The case of round #9 fell out
and down through the now-empty grip, and I visually confirmed that it had
fired.
I can only conclude that the ejector failed. I thought I probably just
hadn't done a good enough job mopping up the light oil put on the gun for
shipping, so gave extra attention to the ejector hook and back wall of the
slide with a clean rag. I also elected to put 50 more rounds through the
gun to see whether the problem occurred again.
About halfway through the second box, the same thing happened, with the
slight variation that the spent case seemed to have been pulled about
halfway out of the breech.
What the hey is going on here? I don't think this should happen with a new
gun. I'm calling CZ on Tuesday about it, but your comments would be
appreciated.
FYI: Ammo in question is Winchester .40 S&W target loads (180 gr, FMJ ball,
copper jacket).
Objekt
-disgruntled
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IndyGunFreak
Winchester White box rounds have been rumored to cause problems. in
CZ Pistols. I personally never have had any problems, but enough others
have to make me pay attention. I'd try another kind of ammo, and see if
that helps. Some guns just won't fire certain types of ammo. Were you
shooting the regular FMJ ammo, or that nasty ass Winclean ammo? I avoid
Winclean ammo at all costs. The regular FMJ stuff is fine for me.
Second.. CZ's are notorious for shipping with weak springs. This is the only
thing I've ever changed on my CZ's, other than sights. Most of the problems
I've heard, is broken slidestops. Slide slams back to hard into the stop, breaking
it. http://www.gunsprings.com has all you need to fix this problem. I ordered a 16lb
recoil spring, and 3 "+10%" mag springs. Never a problem before, and never a problem
afterwards, but it shoots a whole lot nicer.
CZ will probably just tell you to send the gun in, and they should fix it without any fuss.
IGF
"Objekt" <t37st...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:barqo1$2up$1...@grapevine.wam.umd.edu...
> ...
Buzz Chandler
# firing. CZ has some 'splainin' to do!
#
# Nine rounds into my last clip (it only holds 10) from my first box of
# Winchester .40 target loads, the slide stayed back. I was *positive* I
# hadn't fired all 10 rounds, so I angled the gun slightly to see what was
# going on, whilst keeping it pointed in the general direction of the
target.
# I saw a case still in the breech, with the last round pushed up against
it,
# half-out of the clip. I then thought I had bad ammo, but noticed the
primer
# had definitely been clobbered by the firing pin. Also, I was sure I'd
# counted 9 shots.
#
# My next thought was "slowfire" so I kept the gun pointed downrange for
about
# 30 seconds, per the manual. No discharge. Well, this one definitely
isn't
# covered in the manual!
#
# Another trigger pull did nothing.
Let me see if I have this straight, the slide is jammed half way open, you
are able to see an unfired round resting against the firing pin with the tip
of the bullet resting against an empty casing still in the chamber and you
came to the conclusion that to solve this issue you should pull the trigger?
With no sarcasm (very little anyway) I'd strongly suggest you consider
taking up another hobby. Had the firing pin dropped when you attempted your
remarkable stunt, chances are you'd be dead as a cob tonight...or at the
very least blind and missing some fingers.
Gunner
<t37st...@yahoo.com> wrote:
#
#About halfway through the second box, the same thing happened, with the
#slight variation that the spent case seemed to have been pulled about
#halfway out of the breech.
#
#What the hey is going on here? I don't think this should happen with a new
#gun. I'm calling CZ on Tuesday about it, but your comments would be
#appreciated.
#
#FYI: Ammo in question is Winchester .40 S&W target loads (180 gr, FMJ ball,
#copper jacket).
#
#Objekt
#-disgruntled
With rare exceptions..all new guns tend to need a bit of breaking in.
Most will shimmy and bobble for the first couple hundred ( or more)
rounds. It sounds like you have something under your extractor, which
is preventing it from fully hooking the case rim, or worst case the
hook is rounded.
My P9C ( Springfield Arms version of the Cz-75 compact) took around
200 rds of full bore reloads and a smidge of polishing and tuning
before I got 100% reliable feeds and extractions. I then fired 500 rds
fault free before I determined it was reliable enough to put on my
ccw, as a second choice if my Series 70 was on the fritz.
Shoot it a bit more before going into panic mode.
Gunner
Plabovitz
ammo, jams...use different ammo
jdhays
CZ75B in .40S&W. I bought it in February and put over 500 rounds
threw it with no problem. I used Winchester Whitebox
FMJ(165gr/180gr), Winchester JHP, and Federal Premium Expanding FMJ.
Then, I took the wife down the range and put 150 rounds of 165gr
whitebox though it. We both repeatedly got failures to extract. (So
I can't blame the wife.)
Searching the Internet, rec.guns, and czforum, a failure to extract
could be caused by one or more of the following:
1) limp wrist,
2) weak magazine springs,
3) dirty extractor (I cleaned the barrel and the rails after use but,
not the extractor),
4) I over-oiled the gun, which collects gunk in the extractor,
5) my CZ doesn't like Winchester Whitebox.
So I took the gun home, cleaned it thoroughly, and carefully. Then
installed some new magazine springs from Wolf(www.gunsprings.com). I
also ordered a 16lb recoil spring and Houge rubber grips while I was
at it. (btw, the main spring that Wolf throws in with the recoil
spring, falls into the main spring plug, so it's not worth the trouble
to install. Also, the magazine brake pin falls out when you remove
the grips.)
I took the gun down to the range today and purchased 50 rounds each of
American Eagle FMJ, Remington UMC FMJ and Whinchester JHP all in 180
gr. I had no problem with the Eagle and the UMC but the Winchester JHP
and my leftover Winchester FMJ averaged one failure to extract per 10
rounds. So, I'm guessing it's the ammo.
I did lean that the easiest way to clear a failure to extract is to
pull the slide back, engage the slide stop, push the new round back
into the magazine, remove the magazine, and cycle the slide. The
spent case will either eject or fall threw the frame.
Hawke
mentioned already a new gun takes at least a few hundred rounds to break it
in, and quite often there are problems with feeing or extraction until the
gun gets used some. That said, the problems you mentioned sound like either
magazine problems or ammunition related trouble. Stiffer mag springs might
do the trick or something as simple as trying different types of ammo might
solve the problem. I'd shoot it quite a bit more, try several different
kinds of ammunition, replace the magazine spring, and if you still are
having problems only then would I send it back to CZ. CZ pistols have a
reputation for reliability so you probably have only a minor problem, if
not, send it back and they'll get it working for you. When it works like it
is supposed to it's one of the best guns made at any price.
Hawke
GORDON VAN ALSTYNE
through it after 2,000. The only factory new ammo I had a problem with was
the Winchester USA brand white box; FTEs. (I had the problem with their 9mm
in my CZ75B 9mm.) I put at least 30 different kinds of ammo through that .40
cal pistol; make, type, bullet weight, bullet type, etc. Wolf, S&B, PMC,
Eldorado Starfire (PMC), Win USA, Remington UMC, Federal, Armscor, Silver
Bear, Brown Bear, Speer, CCI, Hornady, Magtech, Magsafe, Miwall and others.
I chronographed a lot of it, too. Only the Win white box (USA) was a
problem.
I posted a review of my pistol after the 2,000 round mark on the CZ forum at
http://www.czforum.com/.
Enjoy your CZ. It's probably the best buy for the dollar in a handgun in
this country and the most underappreciated.