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REC.GUNS DIGEST, Sun Jun 6 08:17:07 EDT 1999
In this issue:
Federal Hi-Energy
Re: Kimber Alloy Compact vs Colt Defender
Re: 380 Opinions?
Re: Loading 45 LC with black powder?
Re: Mike Dillon Flys a Huey!
.25/20 Opinions
Re: The .44-cal Magnum revolver
Re: Ruger Mini-14 GB
Re: Looking for a shooting jacket
Re: Reloading primer explosion
Re: CMP Service Rifle Spec Question
Re: Glock 27 Round
Re: Opinions on Sig p245?
help- question about background checks and addresses
50-140 Sharps cartridge
Gun Forums.com
Re: 380 Opinions?
Re: Any Gun Shows in MI. Left
Re: Lee Load-All
Kid w/15 Concealed Guns On TV + Dianne Sawyer/Charlie Gibson + POTUS & Wife = ??!!!
FS: Armalite AR-10T N.I.B.
12 gauge vs 20
Re: What's the Status of Michigan's CCW Bills?
Trade for 870 TC
Re: Colt Defender - Glock 19 - Quality & Price???
Re: COLT CONCEALED CARRY OFFICERS MODEL: OPINION?
Re: I need to buy Bulk Shotgun Shells
Re: would you carry into a state park?
Re: 45 Long shotshells
Re: CMP sales : can I buy TWO Garands ??
Re: Dillion Square Deal B ??s help!
Re: Loading 45 LC with black powder?
Re: NAA Mini .22 Mag
Re: How much ammo is enough?
Re: Looking for a shooting jacket
Re: how far out to sight in 2" barrel revolver?
Re: Trimming 223 brass
Re: Hearing and home defense?
Re: newbie thinks glock is crap (don't read if you don't like newbies or wimps)
Re: Writing to politicians
Hi cap mags for Colt AR-15
Bayonet for Enfield 2A1 308 1966
Re: Is Oregon gun friendly?
Re: 380 Opinions?
Re: 45 Long shotshells
Re: Preban Beretta 92 SS mags
Re: S&W Mountain Guns
Re: WTD: 44 MAG K Frame
Re: BAD GUNS
Re: Century suspends sales of hi-cap mags
Re: Am I nuts or...
Re: 357 Mag.-Question
Re: Legal Question
Re: Movie Gun in "Sniper"
Re: Legal Question
Re: .45 AUTO'S
Re: Glock 34 Holster Recommend?
Re: Price on Sig P226 in .40 S&W
Re: Legal Question
Re: Bad Firing Pin Strike??
Re: would you carry into a state park?
Re: Lanyard Revolver/Pistol carry?
Re: Colt Defender - Glock 19 - Quality & Price???
Re: Is the 1911 delicate ?
Re: would you carry into a state park?
Re: I need to buy Bulk Shotgun Shells
Re: Mike Dillon Flys a Huey!
Re: Concealed Carry use?
Re: Glock 27 Round
Re: Looking for a shooting jacket
Re: convert Glock 23 to .357 Sig
cheap ammo and/or loading your own
Re: Swiss Firearms/Military Policy?
Re: Any Gun Shows in MI. Left
Re: Movie Gun in "Sniper"
Re: Shot for reloading
Re: Hearing and home defense?
Re: Sealing Ammo
Online version of The Seven Steps to Personal Safety updated.
Re: Colt M1991A1
Re: 10/22 vs 597
Re: Ruger 10/22 Rifle
Re: Magnum Research DE Mark VII 44 magnum - opinions?
Re: Forming 7.5 French from 6.5 X 55 Brass
Re: Don't give up before the fight's over!
.308 or .223???!!!!
Re: Mossberg Question
Re: S&W 9MM Revolver Question
Re: Springfield Armory Frames-Cast or Forged?
Re: 454 ruger, nayone shoot it yet ?
Re: .45 ACP Carbine...is there such an animal?
Re: HELP! S&W Sigma JUNK ?????????????????
Re: Inadequate Backstop
Re: Is the 1911 delicate ?
Confiscation: New York City?
Re: Springfield Bureau model.. Does it worth it?
Re: Looking for a shooting jacket
CMP Garand Saved - SA/NFR (info req)
FS:REM 700PSS
Re: .375 Marlin Question
Re: Springfield Bureau model.. Does it worth it?
Re: Remington 700 ADL or Savage 10FP
Re: sks questions
Re: Ruger 10/22 Question
Re: Beretta Bobcat Question
Re: detachable mag SKS illegal?
Re: Concealed Carry use?
Re: CMP sales : can I buy TWO Garands ??
Re: Springfield Bureau model.. Does it worth it?
Re: 7mm-08 How does it Kick?
PMC .44 Mag TCSP?
Re: Concealed Carry use?
Re: 7mm-08 How does it Kick?
Re: IMR 4227 "dirty"?
Long-Range Ballistics for M855/SS109?
Re: What reload=USGI M2 .30 cal ball?
Re: Springfield Bureau model.. Does it worth it?
Re: AR-7 feed problems
rechambering .30-06
Re: Remington 700 ADL or Savage 10FP
Rapid fire ranges?
Re: would you carry into a state park?
Re: Swiss Firearms/Military Policy?
Re: Loading 45 LC with black powder?
Kimber in Maryland
Re: Kimber Alloy Compact vs Colt Defender
Bushmaster Dissipator or AK choice?
Re: Shot for reloading
Re: Beretta holster
Re: Mini 14 vs AR15 for Urban Insurrection
Re: BENELLI sux ?
Re: M9 vs. .45
Re: Is the 1911 delicate ?
Re: Gun Safes
Re: SKS Recoil Buffer
Re: HELP! S&W Sigma JUNK ?????????????????
Saving Private Ryan
Re: Sealing Ammo
Re: ANYONE have a S&W 22A ????
Re: S&W Mountain Guns
Re: 30-06 effective range
Colt Civil War Centennial
Re: Ruger Mini-14 question
Re: Gun for wife?
Re: Dillion Square Deal B ??s help!
Re: Gun buying etiquette.
Re: Loading 45 LC with black powder?
Sig p-229
Re: Blocked Magazines
Reloading for the .40 S&W
Re: Huge Backorders of AR style rifles???
Re: detachable mag SKS illegal?
Re: Legal Question
Re: Remington 700 ADL or Savage 10FP
Re: Is the 1911 delicate ?
Make your voice heard
Re: 454 ruger, nayone shoot it yet ?
Re: 40-70 Sharps Straight Reloading
Re: 454 ruger, nayone shoot it yet ?
Re: S&W Mountain Guns
Re: IMR 4227 "dirty"?
Re: Ruger Mini-14 and accuracy
Re: HK USP .45 site problem
Pro-gun telephone company?
Re: Looking for a shooting jacket
Re: What reload=USGI M2 .30 cal ball?
Re: Writing to politicians
Re: IMR 4227 "dirty"?
Re: 7mm-08 How does it Kick?
Re: .30-06-to-.308 converter sleeves?
Re: Century suspends sales of hi-cap mags
Re: Ruger Mini-14 question
Re: Glock Life Expectancy
Re: S&W 9MM Revolver Question
Re: 380 Opinions?
Re: 7mm-08 How does it Kick?
9mm carbine
colibri 22 ammuntion
Re: Preban Beretta 92 SS mags
Re: HELP! S&W Sigma JUNK ?????????????????
Re: Ruger 10/22 for home defense?
Re: Registration is the first step to confication,, Re-post form e-Mail
Ruger 10/22 bullpup kit
Re: S&W Mountain Guns
Re: Blocked Magazines
Re: H&K USP Opinion
Re: Bullett collectors. help please
Re: S&W 9MM Revolver Question
Re: Preban Beretta 92 SS mags
Re: 7mm-08 How does it Kick?
Re: detachable mag SKS illegal?
Re: Beretta 92FS vs. H&K USP 9mm vs Glock 9 mm
Re: Best Price and Place for AR/AK mags
Re: Mossberg Question
Re: Saving Private Ryan Video
Full auto handgun in movie Face Off
Re: Dillion Square Deal B ??s help!
Re: Remington 700 ADL or Savage 10FP
Re: Is the 1911 delicate ?
Re: Shot for reloading
Re: Sealing Ammo
Re: Glock Life Expectancy
Re: Is the 1911 delicate ?
Re: Blocked Magazines
Re: convert Glock 23 to .357 Sig
Re: Bullett collectors. help please
Re: Is the 1911 delicate ?
Re: Lanyard Revolver/Pistol carry?
Re: 380 Opinions?
Re: MODEL 1911 GI HOLSTER
Re: 7mm-08 How does it Kick?
Re: CMP sales : can I buy TWO Garands ??
FS: Dillon Belts, Bull-X Moly Coated Bullets
Re: .303 clip
Re: Dillion Square Deal B ??s help!
Re: Glock safety question
CCW with Hi-Power for skinny guy
Building your own clips
Mossberg 590 question?
Re: Why no blowback .30 '06 rifles?
FS: Thompson L Drum
can G34 be converted to G17?
Re: Northern Indiana Gun Show?
Re: HELP! S&W Sigma JUNK ?????????????????
Re: 45 Long shotshells
Re: Movie Gun in "Sniper"
FS Cold Steel Mini Tanto
Reload Data 400 Corbon
Re: S&W Mountain Guns
Re: CCH for Fat Guys Suggestions?
Glock 27 magazine
Harrassment at Fayetteville, NC Gun Show
Re: Bad Firing Pin Strike??
Re: CCW Contact info for all 50 States?
Re: Dillion Square Deal B ??s help!
Re: HELP! S&W Sigma JUNK ?????????????????
FS: Pre-ban AR-15 with Matched Upper - Forgot the Price!
Re: Is the 1911 delicate ?
Re: H&K USP Opinion
Re: Looking for a shooting jacket
Re: black powder guns
Re: Shot for reloading
Re: Is the 1911 delicate ?
Re: M9 vs. .45
Re: Best Price and Place for AR/AK mags
Re: Gun for wife?
Re: Definitive 1911 vs. Glock
Re: Hearing and home defense?
Re: Breakfree CLP - How to use it?
Re: Compare the Kick of blowback versus recoil operated pistols
Re: Looking for a shooting jacket
Re: Glock G27
H380 powder
Re: Gun safes
Re: Center of Mummy - Not!
Re: S&W 9MM Revolver Question
Re: Is the 1911 delicate ?
Re: 98K Mauser dissassembly
Re: SKS Rifle
Re: Navy Arms SAA revolvers: Quality? Accuracy?
Re: Glock G36
+P+ BS
Re: M9 vs. .45
30 Carbine Ammo
Re: Is the 1911 delicate ?
Re: Hearing and home defense?
Re: .303 clip
Re: Is the 1911 delicate ?
Re: Worth applying for CCW in Maryland?
Re: Worth applying for CCW in Maryland?
Re: Kimber Alloy Compact vs Colt Defender
Re: Well, so much for Elizabeth
Re: CCH for Fat Guys Suggestions?
Re: Ruger 10/22 Rifle
Re: H&K USP Opinion
Re: HELP! S&W Sigma JUNK ?????????????????
Re: Don't give up before the fight's over!
Re: .303 clip
Re: Bolt action .22LR?
Re: Suggestions for cheap Ammo suppliers?
Dillon RL450 Jr
Re: Magnum Research DE Mark VII 44 magnum - opinions?
FS: LH Weatherby .340 Weatherby Mag.
Re: Glock Life Expectancy
Re: SKS buyback program in CA!
Re: COLT CONCEALED CARRY OFFICERS MODEL: OPINION?
Re: Hearing and home defense?
Re: 380 Opinions?
Re: Glock 27 Round
Re: Is the 1911 delicate ?
Re: Countries withe least restrictive gun policies??
Re: Blocked Magazines
Re: Tan GI Colt 1911 holster
Re: HELP! S&W Sigma JUNK ?????????????????
Woodless M-1 Arrived
Re: Sealing Ammo
Re: sks questions
Re: CMP sales : can I buy TWO Garands ??
Re: .303 clip
Best powder measure
Re: Breakfree CLP - How to use it?
Re: Best source for AR15 Mags
Re: would you carry into a state park?
Re: Is the 1911 delicate ?
Bayonet for 1966 Enfield 2A1 308
Re: Reloading primer explosion
Re: Blocked Magazines
Re: Gun buying etiquette.
Dillon XL 650
Re: Hearing and home defense?
Did John Wayne use a 44-40 or 38-40?
Re: how far out to sight in 2" barrel revolver?
Re: AR-7 feed problems
Re: Defense Backup (A Knife)
Re: .45 ACP Carbine...is there such an animal?
Re: .45 ACP Carbine...is there such an animal?
Re: Beretta Bobcat Question
FS: 870 High vis follower and spring
Re: Goin on a trip
Re: Ultra-accuracy without reloading
Re: Looking for a shooting jacket
WTS -- 10X Leather Shooting Jacket
Re: Taurus...How good is the PT series?
FS Armalite AR-10 waffle mags
Re: Ultra-accuracy without reloading
Re: Sig P-229
Re: 380 Opinions?
Re: Kimber Alloy Compact vs Colt Defender
Re: Gun shows in MD?
Re: Gun safes
Re: Is the 1911 delicate ?
Re: Loading 45 LC with black powder?
Re: HELP! S&W Sigma JUNK ?????????????????
Re: Loading 45 LC with black powder?
Re: Opinions please on 10-22 hammer and sears
Re: DSA58 carb. or standard?
Re: Is the 1911 delicate ?
Re: how far out to sight in 2" barrel revolver?
Re: Is the 1911 delicate ?
Re: Beretta 92FS vs. H&K USP 9mm vs Glock 9 mm
Re: how far out to sight in 2" barrel revolver?
Re: Worth applying for CCW in Maryland?
AMT 9mm ON-DUTY
Re: H&K USP Opinion
Re: CCH for Fat Guys Suggestions?
Re: Ruger Mini-14 and accuracy
Re: Movie Gun in "Sniper"
Conversion kit for Beretta 92fs (to .22ca)
Stoner SR15 M4 .223 carbine, feedback?
Re: Lee Load-All
Re: Is the 1911 delicate ?
Re: M9 vs. .45
Re: Hearing and home defense?
Re: Bullett collectors. help please
Re: S&W Mountain Guns
Re: Goin on a trip
Re: 357 Mag.-Question
Re: SKS Rifle
Re: HELP! S&W Sigma JUNK ?????????????????
Re: Concealed Carry use?
Re: Glock 27 Round
Re: Garand date?
Re: Glock G36
Re: Ruger 10/22 for home defense?
Re: Glock 34 Holster Recommend?
Re: shotgun pistol grip vs stock
Gun Collector's Listservers
Re: DSA58 carb. or standard?
Re: .303 clip
Re: 7mm-08 How does it Kick?
Re: M1 Garand synthetic stock source?
Re: Lee Load-All
Re: Is the 1911 delicate ?
Re: IMR 4227 "dirty"?
Re: Looking for a shooting jacket
Re: S&W 9MM Revolver Question
AR 10
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From: arth...@my-deja.com
Subject: Federal Hi-Energy
Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
What type of powder is used in these cartiges that gets the exeptional
velocity whitin the pressure limits?
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
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From: "Art" <art...@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Kimber Alloy Compact vs Colt Defender
Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services
References: <7ja1pb$ptc$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
MCA 1989 <mca...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:7ja1pb$ptc$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu...
# Can someone please tell me which is the smaller of the 2 guns (my concern
is
# which gun will hide better (grip length & weight)
# Pro's & cons of both would also be helpful.
Para Ordnance P10-45 is smaller with 10 round mag.
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From: yaka...@pagesz.net (Vince Yakamavich, Raleigh NC)
Subject: Re: 380 Opinions?
Organization: Ntrnet Systems
References: <7ja138$pnh$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
On 4 Jun 1999 22:12:56 -0400, posi...@my-deja.com wrote:
#
#So in short, is the 380 sufficent enough for personal protection? Your
#feed back would be greatly appreciated!
#
IMHO ---- no.
.22, .25, ; .32, .380. All are effective if you can guarantee a
head-shot.
Otherwise, you run the risk of severely pissing someone off ...
especially if he's high on drugs.
If you are being attacked, you want something that will take the
person DOWN, and stop the attack on you!
The bigger, the better.
My normal carry -- .357 mag revolver.
Bad-neighborhood carry -- Glock 21 (13 rds of .45 ACP)
You might look into some of the smaller 9mms, and/or .40's.
Even a snub-nosed .38 (with +P JHPs) is far superior to a .380.
vince
NRA Life
NC State Certified CCH Instructor
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From: Peter Torvik <tor...@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Loading 45 LC with black powder?
Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services
References: <7ja4oa$qm2$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
#I've read that the original load had 40 grains of FF and a
#255-grain bullet. I suppose if I use a 200-grain FMJ bullet with the
#same amount of powder the load should be quite safe?
#The 40 grains of FF powder fills the case almost to the brim.
#I suppose the powder should be compressed somewhat by the bullet
#as in muzzleloaders?
I believe I have read that modern cases have lower capacity than those of a
century ago, and that consequently one can't expect to get the traditional
load into a modern case.
I have a Hodgdon publication, "Cowboy Action Shooting," which states that
all pistol loads shown were developed by filling the case to a point which
allows the powder to be compressed 1/16" tp 1/8 " when the bullet was
seated. They show 37 grains of P, RS or Select with a 250 grain RNFP bullet
to producr 955, 918 or 848 fps respectively, with pressures of 13,500,
11,900 and 9,600 CUP, respectively. Although not explicitly stated, I
suspect these loads are with lead bullets, not jacketed.
Peter Torvik
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From: yaka...@pagesz.net (Vince Yakamavich, Raleigh NC)
Subject: Re: Mike Dillon Flys a Huey!
Organization: Ntrnet Systems
References: <7ja45s$qh7$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
On 4 Jun 1999 23:05:32 -0400, "Scott Colbath" <sco...@primenet.com>
wrote:
#Yesterday I was pulling into the parking lot at Dillon Precision (I love
#living less than five minutes away) and heard this noise of a helicopter.
#Knowing Mike Dillon is a flyer and the fact that the manufacturing facility
#is right on an airport, I took a look around the back to see which toy he
#was playing with today. He has many.
#
#What do I see but Mr. Dillon preparing his Huey for flight. After sitting
#for a couple of minutes, the prop spun up and I heard that awesome WHOP WHOP
#that they make and he headed off to the North. Man, was I jealous.
#
#Later,
#--
#Scott Colbath
#Scottsdale, Az
##59
Great country, America!!
Just think .. it was our 'reloading dollars' that made it possible!
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From: yaka...@pagesz.net (Vince Yakamavich, Raleigh NC)
Subject: .25/20 Opinions
Organization: Ntrnet Systems
I have an opportunity to pick up a Savage bolt-action sporter in
25/20. This gun was built in the 1930's.
I know this cartridge has been around since the late 1880's, and as
such is factory loaded pretty weak --> about 1200 fps.
My question is could I 'beef-up' my reloads, knowing that the modern
bolt action is much stronger than some of the other .25/20's one might
find?
Would you think 2,000 fps would be out of the question (60 grain
bullet)?
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From: "Virginia Campbell" <vac...@statecollege.com>
Subject: Re: The .44-cal Magnum revolver
References: <7j659i$h7k$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
#My first question to you all is IS the S&W 629 sort of like a "re-issue" of
#the S&W Model 29
It is not a reissue. the 629 has a full underlug as opposed to the 29 which
does not.
#why don't they offer this gun in blue finish anymore ?
They dont??? I just came from a gun store that had 2 29's in blue finish
#My second question is what is everyone's opinion of the .44 in general, and
#if you do like it, what models do you suggest I try BEFORE I purchase ?
I really like the .44. I have 2 smiths a 629DX (delux model) a 629 mountain
gun. I have owned a Ruger Super Redhawk. After shooting the 629 I sold the
Redhawk (too heavy IMHO) I have also shot Taurus' 44 and many many different
versions of the Blackhawk. The only other .44 I might get would be a
Blackhawk, but I like single actions. But if I were you I would shoot as
many 44s as possible.
#And lastly - what about advantages/disadvantages of the .44 with the 6 and
8
#inch barrels.
I like the 6 because IMHO it is easier to handle. The 8 inch will be easier
to shoot, its heavier, longer sight radius, and probably less muzzle flip.
Overall my advise to you is to shoot as many .44s as possible in 6 and 8
inch barrel lengths. I have found that when selecting a gun it is almost all
personal preference. Have fun and good luck.
-- Andy
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From: soc...@aol.com (Socom29)
Subject: Re: Ruger Mini-14 GB
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
References: <7j2du4$5pl$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
#I was wondering if anyone with first hand knowledge
#would know if the "government barrel" is threaded.
The flash supressor is threaded on.
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From: "Peter Torvik" <tor...@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Looking for a shooting jacket
Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services
References: <7ja3ae$q9m$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
#
#I am looking for either a canvas shooting jacket or preferably one of
#the good leather ones. I AM NOT looking for a shot gunning jacket,
#rather I am looking for a rifle shooting jacket.
#
#The jackets that I remember where used for target shooting mainly. I
#used the canvas ones with the Marine Corps and the leather ones while
#shooting competitive small bore at the collegiate level.
#
#Although I've looked everywhere I can think of but have yet to find what
#I am after.
Three catalogs which followed me home from Camp Perry last year have what
you want. They run $200, give or take $40.
Creedmore Sports (in CA) 1 800 94 CATALOG (Free catalog)
Champion Shooters Supply (in OH) 1-800-821-GUNS
Champions Choice (in TN) 615-793 4066
Additonally, many of the surplus dealers still have the OD Marine Corps
shooting jackets for $40 or so. E.g., Ruvel & Co (Chicago) 773-286-9494
Peter Torvik
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From: John Kepler <bigjo...@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Reloading primer explosion
Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services
References: <7j65c1$h8b$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
Randy wrote:
#
# Just wondering, has anyone had a primer go off while they were
# reloading? What happened? Big bang or just a pop? Injury? Reloader
# damage? Etc.
# Randy
# Reloading newbie
It has NEVER happened to me, and doubt it ever will (I use a
single-stage Redding).
The probable "worst case" occured last year in a community south of me
(Tiffin, Ohio). The guy was a BIG TIME pistol shooter, and was just
beginning to load a years-worth of stuff just after Christmas. He had
LOTS of powder in his apartment (at least 24 lbs.) as a result. Then he
made some mistakes!
He was just setting up his Dillon, adjusting the powder scale, he had
the primer tube full and the top of both the measure and the fresh, just
tapped 8 lb can of Bullseye open (BIG mistake!)! A primer detonated on
his second load, and for reasons STILL not explained by Dillon, lit the
primers in the tube, and scattered them popping all over the
apartment....and into both the podwer measure and the open 8 lbs. of
Bullseye. The entire apartment was enveloped in a intense fire...half
the complex burned, the guy lost his left arm at the shoulder (had to be
amputated due to the fact it had been burnt to the bone) and spent 4
months in the University of Michigan burn center....he sort-of has a
face!
A classic example of how small breaches of safe reloading practice can
have disproportionate results.
John
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From: "Peter Torvik" <tor...@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: CMP Service Rifle Spec Question
Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services
Message-ID: <7jb6d1$gn3$1...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>
References: <7ja1hk$pr8$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
> ...
Definitive answers to be found in "NRA High Power Rifle Rules", available
from NRA competition divison. In general, it is external alterations that
are not allowed (except for such as removing bayonet lug and/or flash
hider.)
Peter Torvik
> ...
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From: "Tom Stewart" <stewa...@acd.net>
Subject: Re: Glock 27 Round
References: <7ja26r$q0p$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
I've been very impressed with the Triton Quik-Shock 135 gr. JHP and the
Blade-Tech Kydex IWB holster for my G27.
Good shooting,
Tom Stewart
Certified Firearms Instructor
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From: "Mike Swan" <mjs...@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Opinions on Sig p245?
Organization: MindSpring Enterprises
References: <7ja2rk$q62$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
David Nozick <d.no...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
# Has anyone out there fired the Sig compact .45?
I only have a few hundred rounds through my Sig P245, but so far it has been
completely reliable. As with most SIGs, out of the box accuracy is very
good -- this pistol consistently produces 1 hole groups at 15 yards if I do
my part.
Mike
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goatface)Newsgroups: rec.guns
From: deat...@rocketmail.com (
Subject: help- question about background checks and addresses
Organization: the union of goat people
i am always moving around
in the last few years i have lived in 10 + places
i refuse to go to the dmv every i move and get a new drivers license
and the fact in the last 2 years i have not owned a car
so here is the problem
i went to wal-mart last week and was going to get a 12ga mossberg and
i put my current address on the form and the lady refused to sell me
the gun to me because the address didn't match my DI.
she said that in the past she could have, but not now.
i am moving in a month so i don't really want to get a new DI
but there is a big gun show next weekend
will i be denied there to if i have the wrong address or is that just
wal-mart?
is putting the old address down a major crime?
this upset me in a way
i have spent times living with friends, family etc
that i could not claim as a legal residence
thanks
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From: Fritz Zimmerer <Fr.Zi...@t-online.de>
Subject: 50-140 Sharps cartridge
Organization: T-Online
Help wanted!
I am looking for all important details for rifling a sharps barrel in
cal. 50-140, especially for a bullet weight of about 600 gr (twist,
caliber, grooves and so on).
I can´t find all details in Germany, and I am not sure, if a twist of 36
inch is suited for heavy bullets too.
Thank you for any reports
F. Zimmerer
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From: "Larry E Taylor" <sa...@indy.net>
Subject: Gun Forums.com
Organization: IndyNet - Indy's Internet Gateway (in...@indy.net)
Anybody know what's going on at gunforums.com? I have been unable to access
the site for a couple of weeks? Thanks for any information.
sarge
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From: byte_s...@my-deja.com
Subject: Re: 380 Opinions?
Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
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In article <7ja138$pnh$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>,
posi...@my-deja.com wrote:
# I am preparing to go through the motions of obtaining a CCW and have
# been shopping for sometime now. As with most people, I want small,
# light wieght, and yet a good amount of "operational power."
#
# Now, because of the above mentioned reasons I have been looking over
the
# 380 cal. and would like some feed back.
#
# Is this too light of a load for personal protection? I have been told
# by several people that it would not be wise to go to anything below a
# .38 however most of the 380s I have looked at seem to be smaller in
# size.
#
# Is the 380 more of a cal. that might put me into more danger? I worry
# about it being such an inadequate load that it might be more prone to
# becoming a stray bullet, or worse yet put me in danger by not
# sufficently stopping an attacker to only piss him off more.
#
# So in short, is the 380 sufficent enough for personal protection?
Your
# feed back would be greatly appreciated!
#
# Steve
I just bought my wife a Bersa 38 and find it shoots accurate, will take
just about any load and is small enough to CCW. For $180 I don't think
you can beat it. About 1 month ago here in Orlando Florida a woman was
confronted by a stalker in her home. He fired 5 shots hitting her once,
she fired 1 shot to the chest which killed him before help could arrive.
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From: Lisa <lks...@tir.com>
Subject: Re: Any Gun Shows in MI. Left
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Here's the schedule I picked up at the last Lansing show.
June 5-6 Battle Creek
June 26-27 Jackson
July 2-4 Lansing/Mason
July 10-11 Birch Run
July 17-18 Grand Rapids
July 24-25 Battle Creek
August 7-8 Birch Run
August 14-15 Novi Expo
Sept. 18-19 Grand Rapids
Call Sport Show Promotions at 517-676-4160 for info
Also Cloverleaf Gun & Knife Shows has:
August 27-29 Midland Co. Fairgrounds
Sept. 4-5 Houghton Lake K of C on M-55 East of Prudenville, MI
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From: gedmo...@home.com (Gary Edmondson)
Subject: Re: Lee Load-All
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On 4 Jun 1999 22:52:56 -0400, stri...@aol.com (Striddle) wrote:
#Where can I find one in 12ga reasonably priced on the net? I have owned a 16ga
#model for years and never had a problem with it. That is why I am interested
#in another one.
#
#
#----------------------------------------------------------------------
WWW.LEEPRECISION.COM
.
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From: noca...@my-deja.com
Subject: Kid w/15 Concealed Guns On TV + Dianne Sawyer/Charlie Gibson + POTUS & Wife = ??!!!
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Followup-To: talk.politics.guns
Friday Morning, in the Good Ole U. S. of A.
Watching the morning "news" program, with Charlie Gibson and
Dianne Sawyer, I find a rather disturbing view on the "gun
control" topic. The POTUS and Wife are guests, as well
as several teenage boys & girls. Of course the standard
rhetoric about *bad guns* is spewed, and the First Lady
tells the kids (basically) to never go to a house with
guns in it, [yada, yada, yada].
The really bogus portion is when Dianne Sawyer introduced
a piece of video footage showing a teenage boy (age unknown)
wearing baggy pants and untucked t-shirt. During this segment,
the boy proceeds to remove FIFTEEN WEAPONS FROM HIS PANTS !
These weapons included what appeared to be 5-6 NAA revolvers;
4-6 semi-auto pistols; 1 .38 revolver w/3" bbl; 1 .357 or .44
w/4-5" bbl; an UZI type weapon; and a shotgun (full length, not
chopped).
The reality of a kid carrying this kind of weaponry is too far
fetched. The entire segment was slanted from inception. It is
this kind of negative media impression that not only fosters the
anti-gun sentiment in the country, it actually helps to push the
anti-gun agenda to the forefront of the minds of those who fit the
"undecided" category.
How are we going to stop this attack on our Constitutionally Protected
Right ?
Anthony Harper
Candidate,
Florida House of Representatives
http://www.Campaign.2000.Harper.org
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Subject: FS: Armalite AR-10T N.I.B.
For Sale: Armalite AR-10T, caliber 308/7.62mm,
flattop receiver, two stage National
Match trigger, 24" S/S heavy barrel,
green synthetic stocks, 1" groups at
100 yards. Supplied with 2 - 10 rd
magazines. Lifetime Warranty.
Only one piece available, $1999.95
when paid by money order, plus shipping
to your dealer. Factory New.
Long Island Shooting Center
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From: jerr...@aol.com (Jerry Lef)
Subject: 12 gauge vs 20
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
In a mossberg 500 model pump- with an 18 barrell being using
only for close quarters home defense, would there be much less stopping power
in a 20 guage. I wanted a shotgun, that my wife would be able to handle a
little bit easier since she is on the short and small side(average weight).
Would a 12 gauge with a small load, have the same effect of
lessening recoil.
Thanks Jerry
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From: docm...@aol.com (Doc Muley)
Subject: Re: What's the Status of Michigan's CCW Bills?
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
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#The fact that it was passed is great!! But from what I hear this could still
#go south as the anti's are going to go for a referendum vote a la Missouri if
#it passes the Governor's desk
They may in fact try that, but they must first garner enough signatures to get
it on the ballot. We must concentrate our efforts at the Governor first..
Then if they do mount this refurendum try, we must not drop the ball. We must
speak intelligently with everyone we know about this.
When doing this we must use facts, and stay calm. We must also support Gun
Rights groups that can get aour message in the media, NRA, MCRGO, etc. Even if
we disagree with parts of their orgainzation. Unity is strength.
The facts are on oour side, that is our strongest trump card. We must use it
often and well.
We must not drop the ball on this one. It is the first step forward in
Michigan in years on this issue.
Keep contacting the Governor.
Doug.
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From: Tom Quayle <tqu...@montana.com>
Subject: Trade for 870 TC
Organization: Way Out West Photography
Hello:
I have a mint Contax G1 camera with a 45mm Zeiss Planar 45mm f2.0 lens
including soft case that I will trade for your Remington 870-TC trapgun.
Thanks,
TQ
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From: "mIKE TUKKER" <mtu...@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Colt Defender - Glock 19 - Quality & Price???
Organization: MindSpring Enterprises
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Bravo!!! Well Said! This has been my experience as well!
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From: "mIKE TUKKER" <mtu...@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: COLT CONCEALED CARRY OFFICERS MODEL: OPINION?
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I think it would be a bit of a handfull for a new shooter....but if you are
comfortable with the 1911 and you keep your finger off the trigger and
outside the trigger guard untill your are ready to kill something you will
be fine.
JEM wrote in message <7ja2ur$q6r$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>...
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From: Doug Owen <dko...@home.com>
Subject: Re: I need to buy Bulk Shotgun Shells
Organization: @Home Network
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hemi wrote:
# Does anyone know of a site that carries shotgun shells by the bulk????
# I would like to purchase 500+ shells.
#
This is really a lightweight order for shotshells. Anyone that sells
small lots will be glad to sell you 'two cases'. In the old days a case
*was* 500 rounds, now it's 10 boxes.
Shipping is a major cost, so location counts. Depending on where you
are you might try Cascade, <http://www.cascade-ammo.com/>.
If it's target type shells you are looking for check out your local Trap
Club, on their major shoot days guys come in trucks and motor homes with
cases of ammo, reloading bits, accessories, mobile gunsmithing, the lot.
Doug Owen
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From: jo...@aol.com (john)
Subject: Re: would you carry into a state park?
Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc.
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The problem with Tuscon is that they are getting too many California
transplants moving in. Everybody should be on their guards outside of
California and not let these transplants get into poliical office of
any capacity or let them influence those that are in office.. This
trend seems to be happening in other state cities neighborig
California. After they screwed up California by their permissive and
submissive nature, they realized California became all screwed up for
them to live there anymore without realizing they were the cause. So,
their solution was to turn tail and move out to another state and now
their ignorance is starting to infect other cities.
On 4 Jun 1999 22:57:23 -0400, cly...@sedona.net (Clyde McClelland)
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From: Jerry <jd...@my-deja.com>
Subject: Re: 45 Long shotshells
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That is inspired.
I would have just used .410 shotshell cases and wads like all the
commercial guns do. The head is a perfect match to the .45 long colt.
Cut the case to cylinder length and plug the end with a card wad to
retain the shot. Shotshells (being straight walled) are easy to scale
loads from one gauge to another, so starting load data could be guessed
at.
The key is to find the depth of the shot for your load, then find loads
in other gauges which have the same depth of shot charge. Then figure
the same depth of powder for your load. Bbore size and depth of 1 oz of
shot is listed in many of the powder manufactures guides (I'm looking
at Alliant).
I use the nominal bore diameter to calculate the area of bore for the
scaleing operation ie 12ga to .410 would be .729x.729/.41x.41=3.16. so a
1/4 oz .410 is the same depth (not quite) as a 12 ga 3/4 oz load.
The lightest 12 ga load I see in the Alliant reloading guide (free) is
7/8oz and uses 17 to 20 grains of red dot. Converting this to the 1/4oz
.410 is about 6 grains of red dot.
Or referring to my speer manual, the .44 mag load for their shot
capsule is 6.0gr of bullseye, and several other powder charges, but I
am unsure of the weight of the shot in these capsules.
Don't confuse pistol data with shotgun data as the pistol data depends
on the volume of the space under the bullet. Shotguns all use a
compressed charge and depend on the amount of compression (wad
pressure) for consistant performance.
*********************************************
In article <7j2e5a$5rq$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>,
TomD <papa...@abilene.com> wrote:
# Having reached the end of my rope looking for 45 Long shotshells, I
have
# had a truly odd idea. After consulting my copy of "Cartriges of the
# World" (7th ed.), my dial caliper, and several spent 45L cases, I was
# inspired. I propose to take some 444 Marlin brass, trim to max COL
for
# 45 L, use gas checks for wadding and end caps, load with about 160gns
# worth of #4 shot, and work up a powder charge using light 45ACP data
to
# start. Does anyone out there have a compelling reason not to attempt
# this or a better idea?
#
# TomD
--
Jerry,
shooter, reloader and general gun lover
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From: gun...@aol.com (Gunnett)
Subject: Re: CMP sales : can I buy TWO Garands ??
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You have to be over 18 to buy a Garand from DCM so, if you want two Garands
then "you" should buy a Service grade and a Collectors grade but then again
with the waiting times you might be better ordering a Service grade now and
another on Jan 1, 2000.
The rules are clear, you can only order one rifle a year unless you are getting
a collector grade. I think you are confussing sales of 22 calibers to
juniors..thats junior shooters not you junior.
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From: her...@pop.phnx.uswest.net
Subject: Re: Dillion Square Deal B ??s help!
Organization: U S WEST Interprise
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Fearbird wrote:
#
# Hi.
#
# I've stumbled into what I now know is a Dillion Square Deal B reloader.
# I got it, some .45 brass and slugs, and a small amount of parts..maybe
# another die set, for
# a nearly nothing...say $25.
#
# http://www.dillonprecision.com/genPage/p_046_00.htm
#
# Here's my deal.
# I own a Glock 22c, and I want to reload .40s. Also I REALLY plan to soon
# buy a .357Sig barrel and reload those.
#
# Now, what's a Square B worth?
# Can I get it to reload .357sigs?
# Is it safe for a novice to use?
#
# Can you speak english to me about reloading with it..
# I've never reloaded or seen it done.
Call Dillon @ 800-762-3845 and have them send you another
owner's manual. Once you've read that most of your
questions will have been answered. The SDB uses special
Dillon dies and I doubt they make them for .357sig but maybe
they will some day. Some people claim any Dillon press is
worth as much used as it is new, but nobody would dispute
$25 is a deal you should grab.
Standard advice is you should buy at least one standard
reloading manual and read it cover to cover. By then you
won't be a novice. Reality is that Dillon has talked
thousands of newbies through the process and if you're a
careful person you will be a safe reloader.
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From: Doug Owen <dko...@home.com>
Subject: Re: Loading 45 LC with black powder?
Organization: @Home Network
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Simo I O Tikka wrote:
# I've been thinking of reloading ammo for my SAA replica with black
# powder. Anyone tried this?
Absolutely. Done all the time, even for rounds like .44 Mag that never
were BP.
# I've read that the original load had 40 grains of FF and a
# 255-grain bullet. I suppose if I use a 200-grain FMJ bullet with the
# same amount of powder the load should be quite safe?
Yes, going to lighter bullets lessens the resistance due to intertia and
therefore pressures. It is safer. Don't increase weight. Typical
proof loads are several charges of BP with 2 or 3 bullets (or balls).
Without the extra weight, the pressure doesn't go up very much at all
for vast increases in powder, only more fun and flash at the loud end
when you touch it off. It is widely held (although not recommended)
that 'you can't blow up a good BP gun with too much powder and the
correct bullet'. It's not like somkeless.
# The 40 grains of FF powder fills the case almost to the brim.
# I suppose the powder should be compressed somewhat by the bullet
# as in muzzleloaders?
Yes, you can not get 70 grains of BP in a .45-70 case either, or 40 in a
..44-40. Modern cases are thicker, especially in the head. The volume
is less.
Moderate to fairly high compression is the call. Most guys want to get
as close to the real thing as possible. Too much airspace provides a
'cushion' of shorts that delays the bullet's start, lowering the volume
and raising the pressures.
Most guys tend to load 'em heavy and put a strong crimp on to keep the
bullet from getting pushed out again.
You're loading FFFg, right?
Be *SURE* to clean your gun afterwards. Hot water and soap, not
Hoppies. Then dry and oil. The ash from BP will hold water from the
combustion (even from the air) and rust the steel in a surprisingly
short time.
It's a hoot, give it a try.
Doug Owen
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From: mc...@my-deja.com
Subject: Re: NAA Mini .22 Mag
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In article <7ja04j$pe6$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>,
gay...@norcom2000.com wrote:
# In article <7j344m$h6p$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
# mc...@my-deja.com wrote:
# # I just sold my wife's NAA 22 mag. It was very heavy and yes it
tended
# # to rotate in your hand due to the small grip. It is very reliable
and
# # is well made...nice looking piece. She now carries the Kel-Tec
P-32
# for
# # backup which is very light, slim and packs more punch than the 22
mag.
# # It also holds 7+1. The P-32 is fairly new and in short supply, but
# well
# # worth waiting on. If you are looking for something light and
# # concealable check out the owner's web site below.
# # MR
# # http://www.ktog.org/
# #
# I don't question anything you said or your reasoning except to ask
# what you meant by "very heavy"? A Black Widow with 2 inch barrel and
# the small wooden bird-head grips weighs only a little over 8 ounces
# loaded. I agree that the P-32 seems to be an attractive little gun.
# Just curious about the "heavy" comment. Take care.
Sorry for the lack of definition. I should have said very heavy
compared to the P-32.
MR
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From: jo...@aol.com (john)
Subject: Re: How much ammo is enough?
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You don't stock up on ammo because
........ YOUR ADVERSARY WILL BRING YOUR EQUIPMENT........?
DUH... AHHH.... UMMM... OOOHH.... ARGH..... HUH..
Are you real good friends with the Chinese by any chance?
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From: kevi...@interaccess.com (Kevin C)
Subject: Re: Looking for a shooting jacket
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Check out these web sites. They sell High Power rifle coats.
http://www.creedmoorsports.com/ Creedmoor Sports
http://www.championshooters.com/ Champion shooters
http://ci1000097-a.nash1.tn.home.com/ Champion's Choice
http://www.customleatherwear.com/ Custom Leather Wear
All of these companies sell shooting coats.
Kevin
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From: tl...@iglou.com (Tom Line)
Subject: Re: how far out to sight in 2" barrel revolver?
Organization: IgLou Internet Services, Inc.
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I zero my 357 2" snubbie at 25 yards. I can shoot six inch groups all
day. At 10 feet it shoots about 1 or 2 inches low.
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From: Doug Owen <dko...@home.com>
Subject: Re: Trimming 223 brass
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Paul & Victoria Heisner wrote:
#
# Over 400 years ago, Nostradamus predicted that on 25 May 1999 22:12:10
# -0400, bev...@netcom.com (Bev Clark/Steve Gallacci) would write:
#
# I've always wondered if you could use the table of the drill press as
# the stop rather than having to screw the brass into the shell holder.
#
There was no need for ol' Nostie to predict this idea, it was taken care
of long ago by David as I recall, 'as I have seen, there is nothing new
under the sun'........
Ed Harris writes (several times over a lot of years) that's exactly how
he does it and has so for hundreds of thousands of team HP rounds. He
trims every second firing. 500 an hour or so he claims.
# I have one of those Lyman/RCBS chamfer, deburring tools. Midway sells
# a device that allows you to chuck it into any 1/4" drill, so I use it
# in a slow turning cordless drill -- to both chamfer and debur.
#
Yup, only Ed uses the same press, 'bumps' 'em in at the same rate.
Lubes 'em a fryer basket dipped into a large ammo can of 10-1 Lee (or
similar) water based wax and sizes wet or dry. Leaves the wax on, in
case you wondered. This part I've done, although I wash the wax off,
guess I'm chicken.
Doug Owen
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From: Crea...@webtv.net
Subject: Re: Hearing and home defense?
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a mousegun could leave you with much more than you hearing damaged
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From: zon...@my-deja.com
Subject: Re: newbie thinks glock is crap (don't read if you don't like newbies or wimps)
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Dear friend,
I am no fan of the glock. It is an aekward pistol. The smaller
ones are a little chunky. I hate the texture on the grips. One thing I
can't complain about is the shooting. The Glock is one of the smoothest
firing pistols I have ever shot. It is also one of the best pistols a
beginner can shoot. Accuracy is no problem either. You line up your
target and pull the trigger and you see a little hole appear just above
the site line. You see, Glocks were made to get the job done with
minimal parts; therefore, the guns don't jam much.
It seems to me that you have bought a faulty pistol. It happens.
Get in touch with glock and arrange for the pistol to be REPLACED.
Don't let a gunsmith touch the pistol. Write Glock a letter or talk to
someone there. Tell them you have no faith in your pistol. Tell them if
you were in a self defense situation you would have been a dead man. I
bought a pistol from Smith and Wesson(sigma SWV40). I had trouble with
it and told them the same thing. The pistol was replaced, no questions
asked. Good luck.
Walt
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From: "Shawn" <sha...@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Writing to politicians
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Better yet, let them know you won't vote for them AND you will make it a top
priority to convince all who would listen NOT to vote for them.
The flip side is also true. Make sure they are aware that there are rewards
to be gained from supporting our rights. You WILL vote for them AND (some
of you lazy bastards won't like this one) VOLUNTEER TO WORK FOR THEIR
CAMPAIGN! Do what you have to do to keep them in office and wear your NRA
cap when you do it.
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From: "John Green" <joh...@erols.com>
Subject: Hi cap mags for Colt AR-15
Recently I bought a pre-ban Colt AR-15 and I am trying to get 30 round mags
bafore they are banned ( and you know they will be ). Are AR-15 mags the
same as M-16 mags ? Also are Sanchez GI MILSPEC the same as Center
Industries GI-MILSPEC ? Are green follower mags worth the extra money or do
used original Colt mags beat them all. A lot of questions but due to myself
being a novice and the apparent constraints of time I want to make the right
choices.
Thanks, this group has really got me involved in our fight to preserve the
2nd ammendment.
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From: m...@erols.com
Subject: Bayonet for Enfield 2A1 308 1966
Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
Where can I find a bayonet for my 1966 Ishapor Enfield 2A1 308 cal.
rifle. I would like fair to good condition. It would make it complete.
Thanks
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From: "R. Hopkins" <rhcj...@internetcds.com>
Subject: Re: Is Oregon gun friendly?
Organization: MegaNews!
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Lived here all my life, on the east side of the state you can't find a pick
up truck anywhere without at least one rifle in it.
The west side is a little different. Sort of like another planet. We
fondly refer to it as the Peoples Republic of Oregon.
However, generally speaking The State Oregon is pretty gun friendly, just so
long as you play by the rules. Mess up and loose your gun in a police
auction. Also, convicted felons might as well forget it. Oregon loves
prosecuting for Felon in Possession of Firearm, even if it's just because of
Driving While Revoked - Felony.
Remember there was a tragic school shooting in Springfield recently so it's
an especially sensitive issue in the Eugene/Springfield area. (Please, I'm
not trying to start a debate about school shootings and guns here, just
pointing out how it is.)
Hope that answers your questions.
Rich
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From: Crea...@webtv.net
Subject: Re: 380 Opinions?
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you're just kidding yourself thinking a 380 is
an adequate self-defense gun. I don't know of
any PD that issues them as a carry gun.
If you must have a small lightweight gun, get
one of the S&W Airweight or Titanium 38s
and load it with factory 158 grain lead SWC-HP
rounds. The problem with small autos is that
not only are they weak,they also tend to get
less reliable as they get smaller, particularly
with HP ammo. If you buy one, be sure it will
function at least thru 200 consecutive rounds
with the self-defnese ammo you plan to use.
Don't test it with FMC ammo and assume that
hollowpoints will work the same. They probably won't.
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From: TomD <papa...@abilene.com>
Subject: Re: 45 Long shotshells
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I'd be very interested in excerpts from that article
TomD
# John K wrote:
#
# If you can't find the issue, let me know and I'll send you the abbreviated
# verson.
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Subject: Re: Preban Beretta 92 SS mags
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they made them before the ban. Ramline also
made 18 round SS 92 mags that work just fine.
Check with CDNN imports in the Shotgun news.
New Beretta SS 92 hi cap mags witll probably
run around $50 a piece
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Subject: Re: S&W Mountain Guns
Organization: WebTV Subscriber
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i have a MG in 44 Mag and really like it. in fact,
if i could have only one handgun, this would be
it. it's not in the S&W catalog because the MG is not a regular
production item
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From: cor...@bicnet.net (Dan Cloutier)
Subject: Re: WTD: 44 MAG K Frame
Organization: The Crow's Nest
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The Great Crow caused Ben <bher...@gte.net> to caw:
#The only K frame sized .44 is the 5-shot L-Framed M696 in .44spl.
Actually, the 696 is L-frame, not K-frame.
-------------
The way a crow shook down on me
the dust of snow from a hemlock tree
has given my heart a change of mood
and saved some part of a day I had rued.
-- Robert Frost
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From: drive...@aol.com (DRIVEONABN)
Subject: Re: BAD GUNS
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
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we need to avoid putting crappy handgun
stories on the air it just gives the fools a new back door . Instead lets post
the things that help our cause . You are interested in helping our cause RIGHT
????
........................Stand in the Door or move to the side an sit
down.........DRIVE-ON........
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From: "Britt" <br...@teleport.com>
Subject: Re: Century suspends sales of hi-cap mags
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BEAGLE GR wrote in message
#Just got e-mail from Century Arms stating they were suspending sales of all
#magazines with a capacity greater than 10rds immediately. Stated the
Centurion
#99 Sporter was exempt from this decision. Looks like the wholesalers are
#caving in before the laws are written. I don't know how many hi-cap mags
they
#import, but this & what is going on in California should wake everyone.
They are hording hoping to make $$ if they are banned.
britt
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From: jo...@aol.com (john)
Subject: Re: Am I nuts or...
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Its a mind F..ck man! First they make you crazy and then they blame
you for being crazy.
Its time to start putting the hurt back on them.
On 5 Jun 1999 09:52:18 -0400, mem...@yahoo.com wrote:
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Subject: Re: 357 Mag.-Question
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mike engelke <Dasta...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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#
# I am thinking of purchasing a Taurus Model 66 .357 mag. Anyone have any
# advice or problems with this gun? He is selling it for $300.00 nib.
# Thanks, Mike
#
#
It should be a fine gun, I've never had any problems with any of the Taurus
autos/revolvers that I've had. Some people have had problems, but with
Taurus' lifetime warrenty there shouldn't be any problem getting them fixed.
$300 sounds a bit high for that gun though, I'd think $250 would be more
reasonable. http://www.gunsamerica.com/showguns.cgi?guncat=2540 has some for
$179-260.
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From: zon...@my-deja.com
Subject: Re: Legal Question
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References: <7iq4b0$f5v$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
Your scenario of shooting someone in your home with a "Handgun" is
a good example of why shootguns are best for home defense. You see, you
pump it and blow a hole in the dope the size of Texas. No need to try
to save a dead man. Also, the dope has to have a weapon. So all I am
saying is that when the cops come a weapon should be in his hand. A
knife bought at a flea market is always good. Even though he is in your
house does not make him a threat to your life in some states. He has to
be armed or just dangerous. Or if you use a handgun you can always
shoot him and run into your bedroom and say, "I feared for my life. I
thought I missed. I was afraid." The courts won't require you to risk
your life to see if you shot the dope.
Walt
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From: Patty Schwartz & Mike Rankin <bo...@ixi.net>
Subject: Re: Movie Gun in "Sniper"
Organization: Verio Oregon
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I was Army infantry myself but it looked like the good ole USMC M40A1
I love that movie (as fantasy-driven as it may be) as I was stationed in
Panama from '87-'90. There is a little hill along the Gaillard Cut of the
canal in the opening scene where the ship goes by- it's called Cerro Tigre
and is probably the place I had the best night's sleep of my life- or at
least most appreciated. We used to do long security patrols along the canal
when all the Noriega crap was on in order to detect/stop/etc sabotage on the
canal. I was just so dead tired and that hill had sea breezes coming off the
Pacific and the chug chug chug of the ships going by every few minutes was
mesmerizing. Well back to the point, we had M-21s then later M-24 sniper
weapons in my Bn.(5/87 Light Inf.). The 24 was a big step up at .300 mag and
the Leupold scope. I could have built the damn thing myself for about half
of what the Army paid for each of them but we loved them. The 21s were more
nostalgic than anything. The M-14 with the ART II is a good setup but ours
were just getting old and I don't like semi-auto sniper weapons. I'm sure
there's a marine inf. type out there who can confirm Tom B.'s rifle ID for
sure.
Mike
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From: zon...@my-deja.com
Subject: Re: Legal Question
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Yeah, and then when some jerk attorney at City Hall sends a
Forensics specialist to your house and he sees the blood stains don't
quite match up with the self defense story, you go to the slammer.
Walt
# Nah, shoot him again.
#
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From: TomD <papa...@abilene.com>
Subject: Re: .45 AUTO'S
References: <7ja47p$qi0$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
I read that one too. The problem I have with that article is that they payed
too much for their 1991 (something like $560) when this gun is usually found
from $380-$430, making it a budget line gun.. not a mid range gun like the
others in the test.
TomD
Hawke wrote:
# I just read the latest gun tests magazine and they did a comparison of .45
# caliber 1911's.
# Hawke.
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From: "Webqueen" <mar...@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Glock 34 Holster Recommend?
Organization: Treasures and More
Message-ID: <7jbg9j$otq$1...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>
References: <7jbbsd$122$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
Did a little research for this one...
We have an Angel Draw Shoulder Holster that fits most small, medium, & large
frame weapons. It provides quick efficient draw due to it's 45% set angle
(up, not down tho), has dual retention thumb break, adjustable belt with
attachment strap, fully adjustable harness system, dual mag pouch with
adjustable attachment strap and is fully ambidextrous. Made from MIL-SPEC
tactical nylon, this is a BlackHawk product, guaranteed for life. List
price, $54.95, our price $44.95 with free shipping in the US.
Also...
Holster - Inside Trouser (concealed)
Comfortable wearing concealed holster is designed to be worn on the inside
of your pants. It is held securely to the waist with the rotatable belt
loop which allows "canting" of the weapon when in the seated or standing
position. The weapon is held secure by an adjustable thumb break. Fits
most medium to large frame weapons. Fully ambidextrous. List price $24.95,
our price $22.50 with free shipping.
Also...
Executive Protection Hip Holster (have to check availability for Glock34)
form fitting, lightweight, super comfortable belt holster , can be worn
inside or ouside the belt as well as cross drawn. Fully ambidextrous with a
secure reversible thumb break. Made of ballistic nylon. List price $22.95,
Our price $20.50 with free shipping.
One more...
Amibidextrous Flat Belt Holster
Designed to work on any belt up to 2" wide and fits most small to medium
fram automatics and revolvers. Adjustable thumb break, fully ambidextrous.
List price, $17.95... our price $16.95 w/free shipping.
Now... The 5-5-10 Urban Carry case is very popular... and may fit your needs
as well. See full description & pics of that holster at
www.geardup.com/holsters.htm
Hope this helps... my apologies if I got carried away! If you'd like to see
any items that are not currently on the site (we're working on it
constantly... so many products to put on)... I can send you via e-mail at
your request. Working a local gun & knife show today, but will check in
periodically.
Geri Weaver
http://www.geardup.com
Authorized BlackHawk distributor. "Better than catalog" prices & free
shipping.
877-449-7669 toll free
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From: Dan Cloutier <cor...@bicnet.net>
Subject: Re: Price on Sig P226 in .40 S&W
Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
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In article <7j52cj$dro$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>,
amgr...@aol.com (AmGrewall) wrote:
# Can anyone tell me the price range on a Sig Sauer P226 in .40 S&W?
Thanks.
Best price I've seen was from David Avery (advertised in Gun List) he
sells them for around $540.
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From: zon...@my-deja.com
Subject: Re: Legal Question
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No that's how you make a law.
Walt
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From: "Bill the Cat" <bpr...@totcon.com>
Subject: Re: Bad Firing Pin Strike??
Organization: AACK!
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LeRoy Patterson <graywo...@montana.com> wrote in message
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| Go to the Lighting Strike web site http://www.lspi.com and look at the
| striker the girl is holding.
| Glock's are different.
Hmmm. did that. I still wonder why my Glock makes a 'T' shaped indent in the
primer. well, anyway it is not a problem. it always fires!
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This Cat always sports a Glock!
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Quote of the week...
"Now let's see if I understand this correctly. President Clinton has
ordered our forces to engage an entrenched, politically motivated enemy,
backed by the Russians, on their home ground, in a foreign civil war, in
difficult terrain, with limited military objectives, with bombing
restrictions, boundary and operational restrictions, queasy allies, far
across an ocean, with uncertain goals, without prior consultation with
Congress, having the potential for escalation, while limiting the forces
at his disposal, and while the majority of Americans are opposed to, or
are at best uncertain about, the value of the action being worth
American lives. ----- So, what was it that Clinton was opposed to during
Vietnam?" -- Lt.Gen. Tom Griffin USA (ret.)
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From: "John Knutson" <heim...@email.com>
Subject: Re: would you carry into a state park?
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Those are some good quotes Ken, where are they from?
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From: "Webqueen" <mar...@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Lanyard Revolver/Pistol carry?
Organization: Treasures and More
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Lanyard is used as a secondary means of securing your personal side arm.
While most holsters will not allow your side arm to fall out during
movement, under extremely stressful situations (or if you just plain forget
to secure your thumb break) the lanyard insures that your weapon will not
escape.
Not recommended as a solitary means of securing your weapon, it is
uncomfortable and dangerous.
BlackHawk Tactical Pistol Lanyard - coiled (keeps excess to a minimum)...
list price, $19.95. Our price with free shipping $18.95. This one is not
on the site yet, e-mail for a pic.
Geri Weaver
www.geardup.com
Authorized BlackHawk distributor. "Better than Catalog" prices and free
shipping.
877-449-7669
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From: "Bill the Cat" <bpr...@totcon.com>
Subject: Re: Colt Defender - Glock 19 - Quality & Price???
Organization: AACK!
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| I'll tell you what, you get an out of the box Colt .45 and an out of the
box
| mod. 19 Glock and put 200 rounds through the both of them and you'll see
| exactly what I meant. An out of the box colt is going to usually
| jam,misfeed,stovepipe,be picky about ammo and you will probably have to
| spend alot of money getting it straightened out. If you get lucky you'll
bre
| able to consistantly hit the paper when it fires. On the other hand a
Glock
| out of the box will feed anything you put through it ( I wouldn't suggest
| lead bullets) it will hit where you aim, you won't have any problems to
| correct, That has been my expierience with the both of them.
You could get a Glock 30 (.45) and have the best of both worlds! The
almighty 45 caliber in the perfection of a Glock!
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From: Rick <rikw...@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Is the 1911 delicate ?
Organization: MindSpring Enterprises
References: <7jb9vc$es$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
REast52 wrote:
#
# I keep hearing that the 1911 is a delicate design prone to breakage because of
# the large flat spring that its trigger, grip safety and disconnector use. Is
# this true?
No.
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From: "John Knutson" <heim...@email.com>
Subject: Re: would you carry into a state park?
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Guess I should have looked before asking, I found the quote from Lt Harry
Thomas.
http://www.devvy.com/harryt.html
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From: jmey...@aol.com (Jmeyer21)
Subject: Re: I need to buy Bulk Shotgun Shells
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
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#Does anyone know of a site that carries shotgun shells by the bulk????
#I would like to purchase 500+ shells.
This is a question that I was going to post myself. I have seen bulk ammo
readily available from Wal-Mart. They sell Federal 7 1/2 shot 12 gauge ammo
for just under $15 for a box of 100.
A local sporting goods store sells a box of Fiocci 7 1/2 shot 12 gauge for
$39.90 for a box of 250. That works out to be just under $16 for 100 shells.
Shotgun shells, like all ammo, can go pretty quickly on a day of shooting and I
would like to keep a supply on hand.
Where do you buy your shells?
Jim
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Subject: Re: Mike Dillon Flys a Huey!
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Ironic that he was heading North, too....
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From: "Webqueen" <mar...@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Concealed Carry use?
Organization: Treasures and More
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Posted as a response to another question... but this may help answer as
well...
Holster - Inside Trouser (concealed)
Comfortable wearing concealed holster is designed to be worn on the inside
of your pants. It is held securely to the waist with the rotatable belt
loop which allows "canting" of the weapon when in the seated or standing
position. The weapon is held secure by an adjustable thumb break. Fits
most medium to large frame weapons. Fully ambidextrous. List price $24.95,
our price $22.50 with free shipping.
Now... The 5-5-10 Urban Carry case is very popular... and may fit your needs
as well. See full description & pics of that holster at
www.geardup.com/holsters.htm You'd need the large size. List $52.95... our
price with free shipping $47.95.
Hope this helps. If you'd like to see any items that are not currently on
the site (we're working on it constantly... so many products to put on)... I
can send you via e-mail at
your request. Working a local gun & knife show today, but will check in
periodically.
Geri Weaver
http://www.geardup.com
Authorized BlackHawk distributor. "Better than catalog" prices & free
shipping.
877-449-7669 toll free
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From: "Bill the Cat" <bpr...@totcon.com>
Subject: Re: Glock 27 Round
Organization: AACK!
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M.B. <m...@bigsky.net> wrote in message news:7ja26r$q0p$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu...
| I just bought a Glock 27, what a sweet gun, does anyone have any
suggestions
| for a defense round and a good concealed holster?
|
| Mark
Two things: Proload Ammo I use 165gr bonded Gold Dot's. www.proload.com
, and sidearmor kydex holsters. www.sidearmor.com .
Nicer more knowledgeable folks you could never hope to meet.
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From: Doug Owen <dko...@home.com>
Subject: Re: Looking for a shooting jacket
Organization: @Home Network
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Dave wrote:
#
# I am looking for either a canvas shooting jacket or preferably one of
# the good leather ones.
Easy enough, although a bit pricey. You're just looking in the wrong
places, you need the guys that cater to the guys that know what they
want. Try <http://www.creedmoorsports.com/index1.htm> and
<http://www.championshooters.com/>.
After you've found your coat, you might want to also check out
<http://www.sinclairintl.com/> as they have lotsa neat stuff in case
you've still got some money left....
Doug Owen
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From: "Bill the Cat" <bpr...@totcon.com>
Subject: Re: convert Glock 23 to .357 Sig
Organization: AACK!
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| But then again what is the real advantage of a 125 grain 357 Sig load over
a
| 135 Grain 40 S&W Load?
I carry a G27 (40SW), but the difference between these two you mention is
vast. A magnum load vs. a non magnum load. The 357sig is a real kicker! I
have only a barrel to buy and I can shoot both in my Glock. I will get the
357s barrel. What it will be like with my little 3+ inch barrel I don't yet
know. BLAM-WHAMMM I imagine!!
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From: Nathan Hill <ips...@eburg.com>
Subject: cheap ammo and/or loading your own
Organization: Alternate Access Incorporated
I'm lookin for a
place to buy
7.62mmX39 for my
SKS. currently i can
get a box of 20 for
as low as $3.25 but
usually i pay $5.00.
Also wanted to look
into loading my own
and need tips on
gettin started.
Thanks
Nathan Hill
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From: Garand_...@hotmail.com (John Garand)
Subject: Re: Swiss Firearms/Military Policy?
Organization: Intermedia Business Internet - Beltsville, MD
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On 29 May 1999 10:13:57 -0400, "Josef Nemecek" <jos...@access.ch>
wrote:
#Gerry wrote in message <7iaa7g$k1d$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>...
## I am sure that I read a year and a half ago that there was an election
snip
#Hunters, sporting shooters, military and police are not affected. The
#dangerous "private self-defence" people that often hurt themself are
#affected as well as criminals.
#
#Greetings, Joe.
Has it been the experience in Switzerland that people defending
themselves with firearms have hurt themselves? If this is true,
please post data (and source[s]) showing the relative frequency, etc.
This is certainly not the case here in the US (the "study" which
purports to prove this was poorly done by a person who is against the
private ownership of firearms. The primary author, Kellerman,
refuses to provide the raw data for peer review - in itself a telling
point regarding his confidence in the study and honesty) and I'm sure
we all would be interested in why the Swiss differ significantly from
the US experience with Concealed Handgun Licensees.
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From: etm...@my-deja.com
Subject: Re: Any Gun Shows in MI. Left
Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
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In article <7ja2de$q29$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>,
fri...@tc3net.com (J.M.) wrote:
> ...
I know there is one at the Ingham county fair grounds in Mason Mi. just south
of Lansing over the 4th of July weekend and several others in Grand Rapids
etc.
Regards, Paul
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From: jo...@aol.com (john)
Subject: Re: Movie Gun in "Sniper"
Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc.
Message-ID: <375b9a98...@news.primenet.com>
References: <7jbaj4$lp$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
Tom uses a 700 Remington or variation there of. The marines currently
call their Remington variation the model M40A1. Thery are
essentially the same rifle.
His partner was decked out with a Heckler and Koch I am inclined to
say that it was the PSG-1 model. It has been a while since I last saw
this movie. It could also have been an HK MSG-90 model.
I don't remember what Panama was packing. He was decked out in too
much Ghillie suit cammo.
........
HA, I left my original comments ubove unedited after remembering
to go and check out
Check out the moive mishaps links. The guy that has put this wbsite
together has done his homework and seems very knowledgable.
On 5 Jun 1999 10:01:08 -0400, "James Klutts" <jkl...@up.net> wrote:
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From: Doug Owen <dko...@home.com>
Subject: Re: Shot for reloading
Organization: @Home Network
References: <7jba47$gt$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
gun_...@my-deja.com wrote:
#
# Where can i find a good source for mail order of
# shot for reloading?
#
There is no such thing. The shipping cost on lead is high compaired to
the value of the shot. You end up paying $15 to have 25# ($15 worth) of
shot shipped. The key is local.
Local shops should have it, if not ask them, they can have it shipped
cheaper than you and I.
Check out your local Trap Club, guys there use more shot than you'd
believe and know how to get it cheap.
If you insist, you can go to places like
<http://www.championshooters.com/> and pay the freight.
Doug Owen
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From: dood...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Hearing and home defense?
Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
References: <7ja2ha$q3f$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu> <375b0b44...@news.edge.net>
In article <375b0b44...@news.edge.net>,
scr...@edge.net (Scott Craig) wrote:
# I have heard a recommendation before that you keep a set of ear
# muffs beside your gun in the house. Grab them and put them on
# first.
If I was going to do that, I'd go for the muffs with electronics to
shutdown the bang. If there's a bad guy in the house, I want all of my
senses available and I think hearing him is especially important if it's
dark.
The other thing is that if the bad guy is armed, I'd doubt he's carrying
a .22 to save his own ears. I think I'd stick with my 9mm and hope to
not have to empty the magazine.
John
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From: Doug Owen <dko...@home.com>
Subject: Re: Sealing Ammo
Organization: @Home Network
References: <7jbadr$k0$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
Mittens316 wrote:
#
# Hello all,
# Is it possible to seal ammo from moisture? For example, using clear
# fingernail polish around the neck and primer? --- Like in waterproofing
# matches??
Yes, although of questionable value. The military seal is extreme in
almost all cases.
If you want to use the route you suggest you need to 'water it down',
that is dilute with the correct solvent, until it's very thin, like
water. Then dip a half inch of a paper clip in and touch it to the edge
of the primer pocket or case mouth and let capillary action do the
rest. Ed Harris describes it several times.
Doug Owen
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From: "Richard B. Isaacs, CPP" <RBIs...@lubrinco.com>
Subject: Online version of The Seven Steps to Personal Safety updated.
Organization: The LUBRINCO Group, Inc.
The most-current Acrobat version of "The Seven Steps to Personal
Safety," with over 20,000 copies in print widely regarded as the leading
book for civilians on dealing with violence, was updated and uploaded on
6/5/1999 to http://www.lubrinco.com/lg7steps.html and is available,
free, for download.
--
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The LUBRINCO Group (http://www.lubrinco.com)
International Investigative and Protective Services
Download the Business Security e-Journal free at
http://www.lubrinco.com/lgejournal.html
This book could save your life! Download it free at
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Last updated 26 May 1999
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From: bri...@ibm.net
Subject: Re: Colt M1991A1
Organization: AT&T Global Network Services - Remote Access Mail & News Services
Message-ID: <3758FE35...@ibm.net>
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gun test magazine this month rated the 45's....top choice
springfield...they rated
the 1991 colt a "do not buy"...hope this helps..
Jeffrey Johnson wrote:
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From: bri...@ibm.net
Subject: Re: 10/22 vs 597
Organization: AT&T Global Network Services - Remote Access Mail & News Services
Message-ID: <3758FDD7...@ibm.net>
References: <7ja3ap$q9p$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
If you want to updgrade to match status..you have no choice between the
two
rifles you speak of. The Ruger 10/22 has almost a infinite of options and
add
on's you can buy..there is essentially, at this time no aftermarket add
on's to the
remington...also, out the box, you will find the ruger more accurate per
the latest
write up in gun test magazine...
Olarn Charoenpanich wrote:
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From: bri...@ibm.net
Subject: Re: Ruger 10/22 Rifle
Organization: AT&T Global Network Services - Remote Access Mail & News Services
Message-ID: <375900AA...@ibm.net>
References: <7ja1s9$pu1$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
I have the same gun and did two things...
I bought a Volquartzen target hammer ($30) and put it in...now my trigger
is
lighter and smoother...and I bought a Volquartzen quick bolt release,
($10)..so when you want to release the bolt you simply pull back on the
bolt lever. rather than fiddle with the manual release on the trigger
guard. WHen I put the bolt release on it did not work as advertised. I
emailed Volquartzen, and Scott
Volquartzen himself replied to send the entire trigger group to him and he
will fit it properly if it doesnt work. I did that, they sent it back to
me in perfect working order, no charge. Additionally , the polished the
spring rod and guide.
V...makes good quality products and stands by them..The two items above
should
set you in great shape with little money. Hope this helps.
BByron5775 wrote:
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From: Ralph Mowery <rmo...@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: Magnum Research DE Mark VII 44 magnum - opinions?
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If you plunk down around $ 1000 for a gun, you should not worry
about the ammo. I bought mine used and handload my ammo. Have had
almost no james in over 1000 rounds and that was before I found out
that I was not suspose to put a hand on the bottom of the clip.
inter...@party.com wrote:
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From: zmur...@aol.com (ZMURGIST)
Subject: Re: Forming 7.5 French from 6.5 X 55 Brass
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
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MAS49/56. Everything fed, cycled and extracted great. Because of the gas
operation, this is a great rifle to shoot due to the reduced recoil.
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From: drive...@aol.com (DRIVEONABN)
Subject: Re: Don't give up before the fight's over!
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
References: <37570f5e....@news.postalzone.com>
John
I like the idea but there are a lot of people who could n't make it to the
state capitol .
What do you think about gathering all the phone numbers an E- Mail addresses
of
all the Calif. city , county and state politicians .
Then haveing a short easy to send message
for every one to send to them on a given date. I bet it would get a lot of
participation
from gun clubs ,hunting clubs , hunters, gun owners and shooters just to name
a few .
Let me know what you think I'll do all I canb to
help...........DRIVE-ON.........
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From: Reinier Hamstra <r...@multiweb.nl>
Subject: .308 or .223???!!!!
Organization: News Service (http://www.news-service.com/)
Can anyone tell me why overall, tactically speaking, one would choose to
use a .223 instead of a .308 caliber rifle? I'm especially interested in
the choice of one above the other with respect to military applications
in the broadest sense. For example, what would be Sigarms' motivation
for using .223 as their rifle caliber for the 500 series. Any opinions
would be greatly appreciated, thanks.
Regards,
Reinier Hamstra
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From: "orion" <or...@cdc.com>
Subject: Re: Mossberg Question
Organization: Control Data Systems Inc.
Message-ID: <7jbiqa$u1s$1...@ns1.cdc.com>
References: <7jbbku$100$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
For the tactical light situation, try the "Cheaper than Dirt" catalog...
as to home defense load, all the reading I've done points to #2 or #1
buck. It seems to have the ideal combination of penetration on the perp
(i.e. ~ 12 inches) and yet it should'nt be too much overpenetration as
regards to your neighbors walls...
Straight Shootin'
Orion
Michael Smith wrote in message <7jbbku$100$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>...
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From: ia...@hotpop.com (Ian Underwood)
Subject: Re: S&W 9MM Revolver Question
Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services
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On 5 Jun 1999 09:59:47 -0400, at...@aol.com (Churchill) wrote:
#Several years ago, S&W sold a 9MM 4 inch barrel, blued steel 9MM
#revolver; does anyone know the model number they used for this gun? It
#isn't the current 9MM revolver in their product listing as of now.
That might be the Model 547. There is an article on it in the July 99
issue of Handguns.
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From: Alex...@webtv.net (Alex Clayton)
Subject: Re: Springfield Armory Frames-Cast or Forged?
Organization: WebTV Subscriber
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My SA had a tag saying frame and slide were made from usa forgings
finished in Brazil. I have been told they now do the forging in Brazil
and finish them here. I have not heard of them going to casting yet.
-----------------------------------
amgr...@aol.com (AmGrewall) Springfield Armory Frames-Cast or Forged?
A gunsmith I recently went to, told me that Springfield's 1911 frames
are cast and not forged. He said that their top of the line guns use
forged frames, but not the lower priced ones. Anyone know if this true?
Also is it true that Kimber forges the frames and slides for Les Baer,
Wilson, and Ed Brown? Thanks.
Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my gun.
#unknown
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From: "mick" <cas...@netins.net>
Subject: Re: 454 ruger, nayone shoot it yet ?
Organization: netINS, Inc.
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Every one thinks it is a load of crap that ruger tells you about a gun
before it is out. I for one think it is nice so I can save enough money to
buy it when it is released. Instead of doing like other gun companys and not
tell you what they are working on or just mass producing models they have
had out for years and not even trying to come up with something new.
Everybody wants a ruger .454 so they tell you they are working on one and
then you throw a fit cause it is not already on the shelves. Lets grow up
people.
news.texas.net wrote in message ...
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From: "Robert.Gibson" <rgi...@bama.ua.edu>
Subject: Re: .45 ACP Carbine...is there such an animal?
<e...@strato.net> asked.....SNIP
Earl,
The Marlin Model 45 Self Loading Carbine was introduced in 1986 and has
been going strong ever since....I'm surprised you're not aware of it.
Go to .... http://www.marlinfirearms.com .... and you'll find a bit of
information on it over in the centerfire rifle section.
I've owned mine for several years and am quite pleased with it, given
I use it mostly as a recreational firearm. I shoot standard USGI 45ACP
hardball in mine most of the time and it works quite well indeed. I'm
certain there are any number of rec.gunners who could fill you in on
the personal defensive capabilities of the Marlin Model 45 Carbine if
that's your intended use.
My own Model 45 is accurate enough to suit me, even firing GI hardball.
I have no trouble hitting 6" paper pie plates at 75-yards using factory
open sights. I'm quite certain someone who's a better shot, and firing
quality ammo, would be able to do much, much better than I....it makes
sense to me.
The Carbine's action is of simple blow-back design and functions very
well for me....as long as I keep the rifle clean. It tends to get dirty
very quickly, however this is probably due to the old GI ammo I shoot
most of the time....it dates from the mid-1950's and early 1960's.
Over the years I've replaced the standard 7-shot Marlin factory magazine
with several others of higher capacity....10-shot, 11-shot, and even two
15-shot aftermarket types actually designed for use with M1911-style .45
caliber pistols. Some will hold the bolt open after last shot while some
do not....it depends upon each individual magazine's design and varies a
bit. All "true blue" Marlin factory magazines will hold the bolt open on
last shot, it's just the aftermarkets that are a bit "iffy." Nothing that
can't be lived with in a .45ACP recreational plinker though.
One minor nit....the extended single-stack magazines can be a bit unhandy
to use from the prone position, especially the 15-rounders. Standing off
hand or sitting/kneeling presents few problems with these "extra length"
magazines....at least this is true for me.
If I had it to do over I'd certainly purchase my Marlin Model 45 "Camp
Carbine" again. Mine cost me $259.99 (+tax) NIB back in March, 1995....
today I believe they're hitting right around $300, more or less. This
is still well under Marlin's MSRP of $443 and I think they're worth it.
It's a <somewhat heavy> carbine that's a real "fun gun" to play with, plus
I greatly enjoy idea of shooting .45ACP in something other than a pistol.
Should work well as a "house gun" too, if that's your intended use.
Just my opinion....YMMV.
Robert Gibson
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From: "Flimflam" <flim...@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: HELP! S&W Sigma JUNK ?????????????????
Organization: A-1 Pawn & Jewelry
References: <7ja3nf$qd1$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
I've printed this before, but it's been awhile, so bear with me. Our
local LEO agency, ( Citrus County Sheriff's Office) purchased new Sigma 40
cals about two years ago. Quite a con job by Smith & Wesson. Before they
had even gotten everyone qualified, they were experiencing failures to feed,
jamming, and pieces of the pistol falling off. They were so bad, that S&W
came down and traded them all out for 4013 STWs.
People who shop by price alone, will usually take the cheaper course,
for whatever it may be. When purchasing something by price alone, be
prepared for the item not to do whatever it was purchased to do. In my
experience, there are very few exceptions to this rule of thumb.
Try purchasing something by the quality of the item. If you can't
afford a new item, then look for a used one of the same brand/model/ect. In
the long run, I firmly believe you will be a lot better off, than shopping
by price alone.
Point of the jist, I do believe the Sigma series leave a LOT to be
desired in the way of a defensive pistol. I believe them to be better than
a Jennings/Raven/Highpoint/Stallard/Iberia/ect, but I don't feel they are in
the same catagory as the Glock/Sig/Beretta/H&K/ other
Smiths, ect.
Good luck, and shoot on,
--
Flimflam
A1 Pawn & Jewelry
329 N.E. Hwy 19
Crystal River, Florida, 34429
fax: 352-795-2093
tel: 352-795-2777
352-795-2777
flim...@xtalwind.net
Jeff wrote in message <7ja3nf$qd1$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>...
#My Grand Father is looking at buying the S&W Sigma 9mm.
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From: tl...@iglou.com (Tom Line)
Subject: Re: Inadequate Backstop
Organization: IgLou Internet Services, Inc.
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: but it is DEFINATELY over...count your lucky stars that you are not ass-deep
: in lawyers, a fate worse than death...
Hogwash. News stories about law suits and lawyers are the tip of the
iceburg of problems the mass majority of which get solved in positive
ways. Look at this as a great opportunity to raise the level of the art by
constructing something safer and a lot funner to shoot at. Invite the
neighbor who brought the slug and your grannie will probably enjoy the
visitors...
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From: "Flimflam" <flim...@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: Is the 1911 delicate ?
Organization: A-1 Pawn & Jewelry
References: <7jb9vc$es$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
Yep. If you take the spring out and play with it, it will break pretty
easily. If you leave it where it is supposed to be, it is as fool proof a
design as could probably be. Shoot on,
--
Flimflam
A1 Pawn & Jewelry
329 N.E. Hwy 19
Crystal River, Florida, 34429
fax: 352-795-2093
tel: 352-795-2777
flim...@xtalwind.net
REast52 wrote in message <7jb9vc$es$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>...
#I keep hearing that the 1911 is a delicate design prone to breakage because
of
#the large flat spring that its trigger, grip safety and disconnector use.
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From: net...@directcon.net (netguy)
Subject: Confiscation: New York City?
Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc.
I read on some posting of a guy from New York who moved, and received
notice to turn in certain banned weapons or face a stiff penalty. He
was already out of state, but heard from his brother that the ATF
raided his former residence, apparently looking for those "banned"
firearms.
Is this true? Did NYC pass laws banning certain firearms, and then
confiscate them? (assuming they were purchased before the ban,
legally)
I live in Kalifornia and will be facing the question of broad-reaching
"registration" of weapons with recent passing of SB-23. So this is a
hot topic among Kalif gun owners, especially those who favor
collecting military small arms.
In Kalifornia, we have the SKS ban (any SKS with detacheable mag) and
"`buy-back" confiscation going on. I still find it hard to believe.
There are many other weapons that can do more damage, faster than an
SKS. But each one they can get, is one more out of the hands of those
"scary citizens".
And today, I see where Clinton is touting across the board firearms
registration for every gun owner in the US. The parallels to
Australia, Britain, etc. are profound. Seems like once they have you
"registered", it is an easy step for future legislation to demand
confiscation.
And even if they don't "confiscate", the registered firearms in Kalif
can not even be passed on to your kids when you die. You have to sell
it to an "assault rifle dealer" so they can transfer it out of the
state, or turn them over to the feds.
Can someone reply who really knows what New York City did, and what
the laws are there? What was banned, and how did they go about
confiscation?
- thinking about moving to Idaho...
Worried Kalifornian
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From: Alex...@webtv.net (Alex Clayton)
Subject: Re: Springfield Bureau model.. Does it worth it?
Organization: WebTV Subscriber
References: <7jba59$h6$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
Well if I win the lotto.......{:-)
It all depends on what you want and what you can spend. The one you have
is a very fine pistol. I have a SA I paid about $575 for with a lot of
extras that is fine for me. I do not shoot in matches so it is plenty
accurate and it feeds everything. If you want one for fun and defence
you don't need to spend a couple K but if money ever got to the point
where I could drop that much without thinking I suppose I would want
one. People that shoot in matches spend that much and a lot more on
their equipment but that is a different story.
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9:53am (PDT+3) From: z...@siebel.com (Zviad Jakhua) Springfield Bureau
model.. Does it worth it? Hi All,
I don't remember the exact name of the model, sorry...
In the last issue of guns & ammo there was quite a big article about
this weapon... Basically my understanding is that this is a high quality
1911... Okay wolf springs, okay some other top quality parts.. but
1800$? isn't that gun slightly overpriced? I am no expert, just asking
:) May be I am missing the point here but... I own Para Ordnance Limited
for which I've paid 800$... now does it worth it? that 1000$ difference?
--
Have fun,
Alligator
Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my gun.
#unknown
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From: gwh...@alum.mit.edu (Doug White)
Subject: Re: Looking for a shooting jacket
Organization: The Internet Access Company, Inc.
References: <7ja3ae$q9m$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
Keywords:
In article <7ja3ae$q9m$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>, Dave <dd5...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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#Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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#Hi all,
#
#I am looking for either a canvas shooting jacket or preferably one of
#the good leather ones. I AM NOT looking for a shot gunning jacket,
#rather I am looking for a rifle shooting jacket. (I say that after
#finding many sites of nothing but sporting clays jackets....)
#
#The jackets that I remember where used for target shooting mainly. I
#used the canvas ones with the Marine Corps and the leather ones while
#shooting competitive small bore at the collegiate level.
#
#Although I've looked everywhere I can think of but have yet to find what
#I am after.
#From an old post of mine I dug up in DejaNews (hint, hint):
********************************************************************
There's quite a range of stuff out there, so it's easy to get confused.
A good jacket will help, so it's worth studying the problem a bit. You
also want to get one that fits right, or it won't help as much as one
that does. I was told by several top Massachusetts shooters to get a
leather one made by 'Custom Leather Wear' in Niagara Falls, NY (905)
357-2366. They have an extensive measurement chart you fill out, and you
can pick your own color scheme. The results are unbelievably nice. The
coat is gorgeous, fits like a glove, and scares the competition. I got
the 'Ultimate' coat, and it weighs 9 pounds, and will stand up by itself.
I went from shooting around 190's to shooting 196's offhand when I got
settled into it. The bad news is that it cost a fortune, and is like an
oven in hot weather.
I'm not sure of the brand, but some of the cordura nylon ones have
zippers in the armpits for ventilation, and zippers in the elbows for
easy flexing. If you want to shoot in the summer on an open range, I'd
think about getting something with some ventilation. Talk to other
shooters, and see what they've got and what they recommend. If you can
find someone friendly who's about your size, they may let you try one out
at least for a fit check. Minor size adjustment can be accomodated with
a sweatshirt or two under the coat, but you're talking more heat that
way. I can't speak for the nylon ones, but mine took some getting used
to. The first time I shot in mine, the coat and I argued quite a bit
about how the shoulder was going to flex, and where my butt plate was
going to sit. I think the leather will 'settle in' a bit better than the
nylon in this respect.
Custom Leather is actually in Canada, but he mainatians a US shipping
address to minimize customs hassles.
Doug White
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From: red...@yahoo.com (Mike)
Subject: CMP Garand Saved - SA/NFR (info req)
Organization: Santa Fe Institute
I got my woodless Garand Friday.
Serial # 3795xxx (10/44 to 11/45 date)
Barrel 3 SA 6 45
(Barrel also marked D35448-35-v-219 3 up close to the
receiver)
Receiver D 28291-35
Receiver also has Z1E stamped on side
Operating Rod 6535382 SA
Trigger Housing D28290 14 SA
Hammer pin SA 1
Bolt 2828719SA under this is A9
The rear sight is one with the small screw in the center.
I bought some Garand books, but can't wait! Any help
appreciated. It looks like I got a good deal - what do you think?
My limited research tells me this is a late production
Springfield Armory build in June 1945, (about 2 months before the WW2
production end date). I am new to Garands and can't see any other
numbers anywhere. The bore and rifling is good. The whole rifle
looks good. Now I need to find a SA/NFR stock. Thanks Mike
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From: shane tiernan <noso...@uswest.net>
Subject: FS:REM 700PSS
Organization: U S WEST Interprise
Remington 700 PSS Police Sniper Rifle For Sale, $1400
..308, Tactical sling, Harris bi-pod, Leopold 3.5x10.5
Tactical Scope, Butler Creek spring loaded lens covers, In
excellent shape (98%), has had less than 100 rounds through
it. Extremely smooth action. Has target knobs on scope.
Custom trigger work. Very nice weapon and of course it is
dead-on accurate! Serious inquiries only please.
Email me at noso...@uswest.net
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From: Spencer & Miyuki <spe...@lava.net>
Subject: Re: .375 Marlin Question
References: <7j554f$ee8$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
Aloha!
Much thanks to all who responded with answeres and advice! As
usual, rec.gunners are the best! 8)
Mahalo Plenty!
Spencer Chun
Single Action Shooters of Hawai'i
NRA Life Member & Certified Instructor
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From: Flimflam <flim...@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: Springfield Bureau model.. Does it worth it?
Organization: A-1 Pawn & Jewelry
References: <7jba59$h6$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
You might want to look at it this way; It's tax money-- not real money
that the Bureau spent on these things. Kimber has proven, beyond a doubt,
the fallacy of high-priced , good shooting 45s. I don't own a Kimber, and
don't intend to purchase one. And I don't stock them in my store.
For those of us, who work on our own 45s, I find it simply incredible
that companies charge what they do for "custom" 45s. ANYBODY that can
detail strip a 45, and has a basic understanding of how mechanical things
operate-- can build a 45 that will shoot a LOT better than they can hold.
Course, it might not look real pretty. It might not have a nationally
recognized name. It might not have been written up in the latest gun rag.
Certainly ,American tax dollars weren't spent on it. But it will shoot just
fine.
All it takes is a good starting 45, such as Springfield, Colt, ect.
Figure out how much money you can spend on aftermarket drop in parts, and
have at it. When you are shooting at the High Master's level, and you want
something that you can't outshoot, then "maybe" go and spend a ton of money
on one of these/or something similar.
All of these guys who charge big bucks for their works of art, got their
start somewhere. At one point in time, they bought a 45, and started
playing with it. Since so many do it, it can't be that hard to do.
And it really isn't. The actual hard part of building a "pretty" 45, is
just that-- making it pretty. The nuts, and bolts, of the gun, are
basically simple. Thanks to Browning for that.
Shoot on,
P.S. I got the Nomex on, so have at it.
--
Flimflam
A1 Pawn & Jewelry
329 N.E. Hwy 19
Crystal River, Florida, 34429
fax: 352-795-2093
tel: 352-795-2777
flim...@xtalwind.net
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From: fl...@alaska.net
Subject: Re: Remington 700 ADL or Savage 10FP
Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc.
References: <7jb9ra$de$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
Someone wrote:
#There is a lot of info out there concerning the
#Remington, but I have not found anything about
#the performance, reliability, problems, etc. with
#the Savage.
#Sent via Deja.com
This is odd, because making comments about the Savage bolt rifles is
almost a cottage industry on this newsgroup! Any cursory search in
DejaNews will bring up a host of comments about the Savage rifles -
the short action 10 models are functionally the same as the long
action 110/111/112/116 models. Kind of like the relationship between
the M700 long and short actions, but with different model names.
In short, most posters love their Savages, citing low cost but
outstanding accuracy. The trigger comes in for some complaints, but
it is easily adjusted to be suitable for the majority of shooters.
Reliability problems are no worse than Remingtons, at least from posts
here. The rifles are a bit funky looking, but I've likee mine, and
they all shoot very well. My current M116/.338 has survived lots of
Alaskan hunting seasons, soaking wet, with narry a bobble. But then I
like my Remingtons too.
Jay T
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From: Thing1...@webtv.net (Dr. Seuss)
Subject: Re: sks questions
Organization: WebTV Subscriber
References: <7j52mt$duh$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
Save your $$$ and get the AR
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From: rea...@aol.com (REast52)
Subject: Re: Ruger 10/22 Question
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
References: <7jbbcr$tl$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
A 4 power scope is all you need for a .22. Simmons makes a great economical
scope.
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From: rea...@aol.com (REast52)
Subject: Re: Beretta Bobcat Question
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
References: <7jbac3$jh$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
http://www.hoosiergunworks.com/catalog/magazines.html#magazines Check here
for your mag.
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From: Colin <guns...@juno.com>
Subject: Re: detachable mag SKS illegal?
Organization: Black Dog Enterprises
References: <7ja0uh$pmb$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
Scott----
Go to: "http://www.sksbuyback.org/content.html"
It will give you answers---
Also check
out:"http://www.sen.ca.gov/leginfo/bill/current/sb/from0000/sb0023/currver.txt"
Colin
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From: rea...@aol.com (REast52)
Subject: Re: Concealed Carry use?
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
References: <7jb9vp$f0$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
Check out the Galco itb holster you can tuck your shirt in with it.
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From: Whalestooth Publishing <in...@whalestooth.com>
Subject: Re: CMP sales : can I buy TWO Garands ??
Organization: http://www.whalestooth.com
References: <7jbb1p$qb$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
I think the rule is still that you can buy a
presentation model (big $) and a cheaper model but
you can't buy two of the affordable models within
a year of each other. You have to wait a year for
the second - Unless you have the $ for one of the
fancy ones. My info may be out of date so you
might check their website.
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From: haksa...@aol.com (Haksawjeff)
Subject: Re: Springfield Bureau model.. Does it worth it?
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
References: <7jba59$h6$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
as far as I'm concerned, nobodys ever made a 45 thats worth more than $1000.
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From: mpe...@ipass.net (Mark Penman)
Subject: Re: 7mm-08 How does it Kick?
Organization: iPass.Net
References: <7jbaeh$k6$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
On 5 Jun 1999 09:58:41 -0400, "Kevin" <anyw...@dot.com> wrote:
#I'm thinking of getting my wife a Remington Model 7
The 7mm-08 seems to kick less than the .308s
because it uses lighter bullets. And the synthetic
stocks give less perceived recoil than the wood
versions even though they are a bit lighter.
A BIG help for smaller folks (like most ladies) is
a shortened stock. "Youth Models", which are
about an inch or so shorter than standard are
worth looking at.
If recoil is an issue, look at the .243s. A little
kid can shoot one. (And my local WalMart is
clearancing-out the ammo for $7 a box!)
--
Mark Penman
Website (Laissez Firearm): http://www.ipass.net/~mpenman
E-Mail: mpe...@ipass.net
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From: mpe...@ipass.net (Mark Penman)
Subject: PMC .44 Mag TCSP?
Organization: iPass.Net
Just grabbed two boxes of these 240
grainers at the gun show in Fayetteville.
No exposed lead aside from a dimpled
area below the top of the truncated
cone (the "TC" in Truncated Cone
Soft Point).
Seems like they'd give more penetration
than a JHP or JSP -- but will they expand
at all out of a 6" handgun or a 16"
carbine? Never heard of 'em before . . .
--
Mark Penman
Website (Laissez Firearm): http://www.ipass.net/~mpenman
E-Mail: mpe...@ipass.net
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From: haksa...@aol.com (Haksawjeff)
Subject: Re: Concealed Carry use?
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
References: <7jb9vp$f0$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
IWB holsters are the most concealable, pancake holsters are more comfortable.
If maintaining concealment is a priority , I would go with the IWB. Usually
they involve going out and getting pants that are one size too big, so that the
holster doesnt constrict you at the waist, and they can dig into your hip
especially after a long day or a long car ride, but they are more concealable.
With a small gun like the Kahr, you might get away with a pancake. A big gun
in a pancake will get you 'made' much easier. If you have never carried
concealed before and arent law enforcement, you dont want to get made. It
attracts all sorts of the wrong attention.
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From: fl...@alaska.net
Subject: Re: 7mm-08 How does it Kick?
Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc.
References: <7jbaeh$k6$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
Someone wrote:
#I'm thinking of getting my wife a Remington Model 7 in 7mm-08 or .308 but I
#want info on recoil. Which one would be easier on the body. Both rounds
#seem equally effective on the ballistic charts.
The deciding factor will be the bullet weight used. The 150s are
reasonably generic for the .308, and the 140-grain 7-08 will kick a
bit less in a rifle of the same weight/configuration. Another choice
would be the .260 - in its 120-grain loading it works well on
deer-sized game, but can use the 140s ( or heavier ) for larger stuff.
Jay T
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From: haksa...@aol.com (Haksawjeff)
Subject: Re: IMR 4227 "dirty"?
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
References: <7ja2bq$q1t$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
yep, IMR 4227 shoots real 'dirty'.
It has nothing to do with your reloading process. I stopped using it in
revolvers because it tended to jam up the cylinder after firing 20 to 30
rounds. Try Hodgdons Universal Clays, it is designed to be low residue. Be
sure and abide by published standards in reloading manuals.
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From: mpe...@ipass.net (Mark Penman)
Subject: Long-Range Ballistics for M855/SS109?
Organization: iPass.Net
Anyone have specs on the 62-gr steel penetrator
rounds out to 800 meters/yards from a 20-inch
barrel?
--
Mark Penman
Website (Laissez Firearm): http://www.ipass.net/~mpenman
E-Mail: mpe...@ipass.net
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From: Charles Winters <ch...@wolfenet.COM>
Subject: Re: What reload=USGI M2 .30 cal ball?
Organization: Wolfe Internet Access, L.L.C
Message-ID: <375961C8...@wolfenet.com>
References: <7ikh0d$5m$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu> <7ja1gc$pqn$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
One way to develop a load equivalent to M2 ball is start with 44 gr of
4895 under 150 gr Matchkings and work up slowly until your rifle is
ejecting straight out to the side, i.e., at 3 o'clock. Personally, it
matters more to me what the rifle thinks is the right pressure than just
velocity along will tell. In the M1, too much port pressure and the
bolt travels too fast and the cases start flying straight forward, not
enough and they fail to eject sometimes, just right and its 3 o'clock
most of the time. - CW
Paul & Victoria Heisner wrote:
> ...
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From: Charles Winters <ch...@wolfenet.COM>
Subject: Re: Springfield Bureau model.. Does it worth it?
Organization: Wolfe Internet Access, L.L.C
Message-ID: <375962B1...@wolfenet.com>
References: <7jba59$h6$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
Dear Z: I read the article too. The value comes from using high quality
parts and careful fitting, esp the barrel. I expect the "Bureau Model"
would shoot tighter groups than your Para 14. - CW
Zviad Jakhua wrote:
> ...
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From: "James Harvey" <fue...@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: AR-7 feed problems
Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services
Message-ID: <7jbp1i$sgo$1...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>
References: <7iot63$bpp$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu> <7j2gbp$6cd$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
If you silver solder the top front portion of the mag latch and file it
carefully, you can tighten up the mag to the point where it will hold the
rounds high enough to feed consistantly. I also take a small battery
operated dremel(tm) with a small sanding drum and put a slight chamfer on
the BOTTOM of the feed ramp ( which is a joke as there really is NO feed
ramp) Use the battery operated on as it has less power than the 110v model.
Jim Harvey
Brett Mothershead wrote in message <7j2gbp$6cd$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>...
> ...
as
> ...
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From: alan rice <im...@concentric.net>
Subject: rechambering .30-06
Organization: Concentric Internet Services
I want to rechamber my model 70 30-06. I do not want to rebarrel. I am
considering the .30-338 or the .338-06. Anybody know of any more
interesting cartridges I maybe able to use? I am looking primarily at
moose/big bear cartridges.
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From: "Russell Perry" <rnsp...@sstelco.com>
Subject: Re: Remington 700 ADL or Savage 10FP
Organization: sstelco
References: <7jb9ra$de$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
#chri...@my-deja.com wrote in article <7jb9ra$de$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>...
#> Having trouble deciding between the Remington 700
#> ADL Synthetic or the Savage 10FP, in either .308
#> or 30-06. For now it will be used 100% for the
#> senseless murdering of paper, but I'd like to
#> leave my options open for hunting later. There
#> is a lot of info out there concerning the
#> Remington, but I have not found anything about
#> the performance, reliability, problems, etc. with
#> the Savage. Thanks in advance for your opinions
#> and advice. HS
I have a Savage 110FP chambered in .308, and I really like it. I have had
it for about a year now (bought it used) and have put close to 300 rounds
through it without a hitch. I don't hand load so I have to rely on surplus
and factory ammo. So far the only surplus ammo that has caused me any
problems are the Cavim rounds. The only problem is stubborn
extraction--that means I have to pull a little harder on the bolt handle to
extract the spent case. The British surplus that I have tried shot to the
same place as the Cavim and Winchester (hunting) rounds, but with much
easier extraction. Savage builds a quality rifle for a budget price; they
don't have the name,
but they do have their priorities straight.
Good luck and good shooting,
Russ
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From: V2...@webtv.net (Delta Force)
Subject: Rapid fire ranges?
Organization: WebTV Subscriber
Does anyone know what firing ranges in the R.I. or Mass. area allow
rapid fire?? I can`t seem to locate any that will allow anything but one
round per two second intervals. Not much fun or good practice at that
rate! Thanks for any assistance.
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From: "Thomas M. Reynolds" <trey...@erols.com>
Subject: Re: would you carry into a state park?
References: <7imfbv$631$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
The right to own guns in the United States is not due to a popularity
contest being won. It is a right granted by constitutional law (which
many would challenge as an arguable interpretation). I believe it self
defeating and contradictory to argue the law when it supports what a
person wants and to simply assert the right to ignore laws one doesn't
like. This undermines the rule of law on which all rely. If people
want to assert your rights under the law (especially when their rights
are unpopular with many others), those same have to support the concept
of accepting the all law even when unpopular. Can't have it both ways.
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From: Eric Pinnell <epi...@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: Swiss Firearms/Military Policy?
Organization: AT&T Global Network Services - Remote Access Mail & News Services
References: <7iua38$pad$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu> <7j2gir$6dk$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu> <7j55fn$eg9$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu> <7j65ab$h7r$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu> <7ja0ns$pkl$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu> <7jbb8u$sc$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
John A. Stovall wrote:
# On 4 Jun 1999 22:06:52 -0400, Eric Pinnell <epi...@ibm.net> wrote:
#
# They (Picatinny rails) are very rare. I have seen only one other. It
# is only made by SIG.
The Picantinny rail is the same rail as found on the top of an M16.
# SIG lists the STANG in it's literature and I
# have seen them in use by Swiss troops.
That is most like STANAG. Standardization Agreement (NATO).
# I believe Scott has one
# (STANG) show on his SIG page at remtek.com. If you will look at the
# top of the 550 receiver you will see slots where they fit.
I check for www.remtek.com. It's not a gun page. It's some sort ofcomputer
company.
# I'm going to mount an ACOG on mine one of these days.
#
# As for not seeing one in Shotgun News. I never see interesting thing
# there like this, or FAMAS firing pins, etc there.
Well, there's always Gun List.
--
Eric Pinnell
Qui desiderat pacem, preparaet bellum
(Let Him Who Desires Peace, Prepare for War)
Vegitius, 3rd Century BC
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From: "Peter Torvik" <tor...@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Loading 45 LC with black powder?
Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services
References: <7ja4oa$qm2$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
Regret not including a reminder in my earlier response to this post that
loads for black powder are by volume, not by weight, and that Pyrodex loads
require the same volume as the black powder load, which will not, in
general, be of the same weight.
Peter Torvik
Simo I O Tikka wrote in
#I've read that the original load had 40 grains of FF and a
#255-grain bullet. I suppose if I use a 200-grain FMJ bullet with the
#same amount of powder the load should be quite safe?
#The 40 grains of FF powder fills the case almost to the brim.
#I suppose the powder should be compressed somewhat by the bullet
#as in muzzleloaders?
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From: "Thomas M. Reynolds" <trey...@erols.com>
Subject: Kimber in Maryland
Who carries the Kimber 45s in Maryland (Montgomery or Frederick Co.
preferably)?
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From: Cory and Lilach Brickner <bric...@home.com>
Subject: Re: Kimber Alloy Compact vs Colt Defender
Organization: Freedom, Inc.
References: <7ja1pb$ptc$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
MCA 1989 wrote:
#
# Can someone please tell me which is the smaller of the 2 guns (my concern is
# which gun will hide better (grip length & weight)
# Pro's & cons of both would also be helpful.
# Mike
Kimber came out with the Ultra Carry this year. It is now essentially the
same size and weight as the Colt Defender. I would highly recommend taking a
look at that configuration. The Kimber compact is a bigger gun.
--
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"Those who seek absolute power, even though they seek it to do what they
regard as good, are simply demanding the right to enforce their own
version of heaven on earth. And let me remind you, they are the very ones
who always create the most hellish tyrannies." -- Barry Goldwater, 1964
R.N.C.
Cory Brickner The Freedom Pages
bric...@home.com http://members.home.com/brickner
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From: ric...@digital.net (rickyc)
Subject: Bushmaster Dissipator or AK choice?
Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc.
References: <7imfia$64f$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu> <7iu86n$omn$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
In article <7iu86n$omn$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>, andrew...@webtv.net
(Andrew Budnick) wrote:
#i've been into AR15s for 30 years and really like
#Bushmaster,
Can you help me choose?
BM 16" AK or Dissipator? Use for plinking, home defense, carrying around.
AK muzzlebrake sounds great. Have heard dissipator handguard helps balance
plus protection from hot bbl.
Can get AK today - haven't located dissipator.
Maybe neither one best choice? Would really appreciate advice - I've never
even picked up an AR (came from M-1, M-14 era.)
Thanks!!
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From: alba...@aol.com (ALBANYGUN)
Subject: Re: Shot for reloading
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
References: <7jba47$gt$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
#Where can i find a good source for mail order of
#shot for reloading?
Better find a local source for it as the mailing/shipping cost will set you
back a fortune. Try a skeet/trap/sporting clays facility for usually a good
deal.
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From: Taurus92 <Taur...@execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Beretta holster
Organization: ExecPC Internet - Milwaukee, WI
Message-ID: <7jbqo8$5...@newsops.execpc.com>
References: <7i3tb9$m40$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
KMcgill911 wrote:
> ...
I have a Taurus92 and use a Galco SS2 shoulder holster with it. This
leather rig is so soft that I wear it against my naked skin.
Buy a shoulder holster and never get caught with you pants down!
--
Taurus PT-92AF
Concealed Carry For Wisconsin!!!
http://www.execpc.com/~taurus92/index
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From: Eric Pinnell <epi...@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: Mini 14 vs AR15 for Urban Insurrection
Organization: AT&T Global Network Services - Remote Access Mail & News Services
References: <7j2ffr$66f$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu> <7j55ik$egr$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu> <7ja4sq$qms$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
Nick Hull wrote:
# Considering it is the govt that is restricting your right to defend
# yourself, what makes you think the police & army will be your friend?
# "Sharing" means they take your gun & leave you naked, unless you plan on
# shooting them and taking theirs.
Well, duh. I didn't mean sharing as in they voluntarily give you parts.
# You should consider something
# concealable so you can hide it. Maybe a folding model like a KelTec Sub
# 9?
Pistols will rule.
--
Eric Pinnell
Qui desiderat pacem, preparaet bellum
(Let Him Who Desires Peace, Prepare for War)
Vegitius, 3rd Century BC
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From: "Joel Jacobs" <jja...@koyote.com>
Subject: Re: BENELLI sux ?
Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc.
References: <7j56o5$eno$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu> <a_v53.1227$%l6.13...@rsnws01.mn.mediaone.net>
Been using a Benelli SBE for 5 years now, on everything from doves and snipe
to geese and clays from skeet to sporting clays. Best shotgun I've ever
owned and in the last 50 years I've owned a BUNCH, including some pretty
fancy names and some pretty high dollar stuff.
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From: Cory and Lilach Brickner <bric...@home.com>
Subject: Re: M9 vs. .45
Organization: Freedom, Inc.
References: <7ietkm$82b$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu> <7iflbg$bpq$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu> <7imgv1$6jv$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu> <7iot2l$bnr$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu> <7iq4an$f5k$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu> <7irgo5$hvr$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu> <7iu82t$ola$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu> <7j2ef5$5ue$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu> <7ja2kb$q44$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
Aron O'Proinntigh wrote:
#
# I didn't read ALL of the posts so someone might have said this, but my 9mm holds 15 rounds which
# is probably more "mass" than eight or ten .45, and 9mm is about the same caliber as .357 but that
# doesn't mean one doesn't knock something down easier. Caliber isn't everything.
Actually you would need about 1.3 9mm (@.35 diameter) to equal one .45. So,
essentally 13 rounds of 9mm would have the same "mass" of 10 rounds of .45.
However, that isn't very comforting, considering you would have to be able to
HIT what you are shooting at 1.3 more times with the 9mm in order to equal the
"mass" of the ONE slug of .45.
Caliber may not be everything. It certainly doesn't make up for not hitting
what you are shooting at! However, I'll take a 30% larger hole when I hit any
day, thank you!
--
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"Those who seek absolute power, even though they seek it to do what they
regard as good, are simply demanding the right to enforce their own
version of heaven on earth. And let me remind you, they are the very ones
who always create the most hellish tyrannies." -- Barry Goldwater, 1964
R.N.C.
Cory Brickner The Freedom Pages
bric...@home.com http://members.home.com/brickner
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From: wi...@home.org (WildOne)
Subject: Re: Is the 1911 delicate ?
Organization: Your Organization
Message-ID: <7jbr60$ost$1...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>
References: <7jb9vc$es$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
Why not do some research, such as, the ordinance tests on the 1911 before it was
officially adopted? Making a long story short, the 1911 was the most reliable of all
guns tested, including ALL revolvers, and I believe, the only one that
survived an underwater firing test without damage.
In article <7jb9vc$es$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>, rea...@aol.com says...
> ...
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From: etm...@my-deja.com
Subject: Re: Gun Safes
Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
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In article <7jbb70$rq$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>,
acsp...@warez.phantom.com (Andy Spring) wrote:
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Im glad to know Im not the only person with this problem.
Regards, Paul
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From: mprub...@aol.com (Mprubin516)
Subject: Re: SKS Recoil Buffer
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#Has anyone out there ever purchased and used an SKS recoil buffer? It's
#supposed to ease wear and tear on the bolt assembly and its environs. I see
#them advertised on occasion for both Russian and Chinese models. Thanks,
#Mike
I put one in, primarily to reduce recoil to the dust cover on which I had a
scope mounted. I can't tell you it made any difference on recoil wear, but it
sure didn't reduce the gun's reliability. For about $12 I thought it was worth
it. Also put one in my AK clone.
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From: greg_...@my-deja.com
Subject: Re: HELP! S&W Sigma JUNK ?????????????????
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I purchased a Sigma 9mm three years ago. I kept it from one gun show
until the next. The main reason I did not like the Sigma was the poor
trigger pull. I traded it on a Glock 19. Last year a friend (state
policeman) purchased a Sigma to do some minor police competition
shooting. In three months he had a Glock 19. He also did not like the
trigger pull.
The HK is also very good, but is also one of the more expensive 9mm's.
I would strongly suggest that your grandfather see if there is a gun
range in your area where you could try the Sigma, different Glock 9mm
models, and Beretta to see what your Grandfather would like the best.
If you were talking about a revolver, then the S&W's reign very high in
quality.
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From: Chris Giesler <gie...@mwt.net>
Subject: Saving Private Ryan
Organization: My Own
My life is changed by this movie. I thank all who have served in
the military for my freedom.
Thank you...............................
--
Chris R. Giesler
gie...@mwt.net
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From: faste...@aol.com (Fasteddie3)
Subject: Re: Sealing Ammo
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
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<< Is it possible to seal ammo from moisture? For example, using clear
fingernail polish around the neck and primer? >>
Exactly what most military ammunition has used for years: I'd advise thinning
the nail polish, if that's what you want to try, to about half it's usual
thickness. You want a very thin coat that will run into the crevacises (sp?)
between the primer and pocket, and the bullet and neck. Use very spareingly,
you don't need much to get a good seal.
Report back on your results to the group, I'm sure others have wondered about
this issue.
Ed Arnold
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From: Jason Mitchell <mitc...@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: ANYONE have a S&W 22A ????
Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia, USA
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I had the same little part break on my 22S. I did the same thing and it was
free too. Also make sure you never put a .22 long through it. Mine blew out an
extractor when I mixed some in the first day I had it.
I like mine fine, but I think a ruger might have been better.
Jason
Karl Leffler wrote:
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From: Bruce Finkelstein <high...@cwix.com>
Subject: Re: S&W Mountain Guns
Message-ID: <3759741F...@cwix.com>
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I've got one (625 Mountain) in 45 Colt, it's pretty handy for an N frame.
Sadly, I haven't shot it near often enough. I have a 'companion' 625 in 45
ACP, bull barrel, etc. I much prefer shooting it, it is the accuracy equal
of my Series 70 Gold Cup. Since I was able to get a holster for it, if I
carry that large a revolver, I take the 45 ACP.
Bruce
el zero wrote:
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From: "Matthew T. Reese" <mos...@cdc.net>
Subject: Re: 30-06 effective range
Organization: CDC Internet (using Airnews.net!)
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I have heard this too, supposedly it is because the bullet's shock wave
catches up with it and causes it to tumble.
ju...@my-deja.com wrote in message <7j70au$sdv$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
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From: "StoneCold" <rbl...@kih.net>
Subject: Colt Civil War Centennial
Just obtained one of these through a trade. I would appreciate any
information about this gun. Thanks in advance
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From: Bruce Finkelstein <high...@cwix.com>
Subject: Re: Ruger Mini-14 question
Message-ID: <37597536...@cwix.com>
References: <7jbaof$n7$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
I think the standard Mini 14 has a military type click adjustable rear peep
sight. The Ranch Rifle has a flip up peep sight. I replaced mine with a
Williams peep sight, and could actually hold black at 500 yds with match
ammo once I got the elevation right (all the way up to the top!).
Bruce
Alex Clayton wrote:
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From: bkdet...@aol.com (BKDETECTVE)
Subject: Re: Gun for wife?
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
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#Russel Brooks wrote:
#
## # My wife has recently developed an interest in handguns. I have never
## # owned one and have very little experience. Any suggestions on where we
## # should start? What are the more popular models/calibers among women?
## # What should we expect to pay? Where's a good place to look for quality
## # instruction?
#
#
My first gun was a Glock 19. I bought it before my husband and I got married.
It was very easy for me to learn since there are no external safeties. It is
also very accurate. I still have this gun and shoot it on a regular basis even
though I have recently purchased a Walther PPK/S that I can shoot more
accurately.
Amy T.
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From: Jim Kane <blu...@cris.com>
Subject: Re: Dillion Square Deal B ??s help!
Organization: Concentric Internet Services
Message-ID: <375976A1...@cris.com>
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Mr. Fearbird,
.32 S&W, .380 ACP, .38 Special, .357 Magnum, .38 Super, 9mm, .40 S&W, 10mm,
.41 Magnum, .44 Special, .44 Magnum, .44-40 Win., .45 ACP and .45 Long Colt
are the only calibers you can load using a Square Deal B. I have one and
love it, however I enjoy reloading more than shooting so don't really use it
that much anymore. I have a RCBS Rockchucker that I almost use exclusively.
I reload primarily 357 SIG, 400 CorBon, and 10 MM. The only dies you can
use with the SDB are those calibers that Dillon sells. You can send your
SDB back to Dillon and they will restore it to "as new" condition for no
charge. They retail for about $250.00 new nowadays.
Regards.
Jim
Fearbird wrote:
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From: MARK MYERS <mem...@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Gun buying etiquette.
Organization: What Organization?????
Message-ID: <375978...@erols.com>
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Greg Voelker wrote:
> ...
How I do it:
Find a wholesaler who has what I want in stock.
Find a dealer who will handle a transfer.
Pay the dealer his transfer fee.This can be anywhere from $10 to $50.
Get a copy of the dealers FFL.
Mail FFL+check or money order to wholesaler.
Wait for dealer to call me to confirm its arrival.
Postal Money Orders are better and the wholesaler should ship your gun
the same day.
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From: Bruce Finkelstein <high...@cwix.com>
Subject: Re: Loading 45 LC with black powder?
Message-ID: <375978CD...@cwix.com>
References: <7ja4oa$qm2$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
I've read not to use jacket bullets with black powder loads. When I use
black powder in 45 Colt I use 255gr lead.
Bruce
Simo I O Tikka wrote:
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From: "Conrad Meyer" <cadu...@home.com>
Subject: Sig p-229
Organization: @Home Network
Hey everyone,
Yes I made a mistake, the price I was quoted was $619.00 for the sig p-229.
I was curious if anyone knew if that was a good price. I also wanted to
know if I could find the 12 round magazine from anyone and how mich would be
a good price to pay for that. Please let me know. I was curious to know if
the compact is a good gun to get. In addition, I was also looking at
getting a laser sight put in. I wanted one that would replace the slide
spring and slide mechanism so that it would not interfere with anything on
the gun itself. I was curious to know how much a good laser sight costs and
what brand to get.
Sincerely
Conrad
Please feel free to email me at
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From: g.ga...@mailcity.com (Gandalf)
Subject: Re: Blocked Magazines
Message-ID: <37597849...@mail.visi.com>
References: <7jbamf$ml$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
On 5 Jun 1999 10:02:55 -0400, in rec.guns you wrote:
> ...
You don't have to worry about Crime bill problems, ad your magazines were manufactured before it
went into effect. AS for blocking them, I'd cut asmall length of wood which will fit inside the
magazine, and cut the length until thhe magazines hold 15 rounds.
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From: "Conrad Meyer" <cadu...@home.com>
Subject: Reloading for the .40 S&W
Organization: @Home Network
Hey all,
I was curious to know would it be better for me to buy reloading equipment
to make reloads for my .40 S&W or would it be better to just buy the shells
from the manufacturer. I was considering buying reloading equipment but did
not know if it would be cost prohibitive.
If you suggest buying reloading eqiupment, whaat should I get? brand name?
scales and what kind? where should I order from? how mich would it cost?
cost of eqiupment? cost of supplies? where should I get supplies from?
Sincerely
Conrad
Please feel free to email me.
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From: "Crawford Lee Seals" <supe...@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Huge Backorders of AR style rifles???
Organization: MindSpring Enterprises
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Bruce Brodnax <bbro...@sun3.lib.uci.edu> wrote in message
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# In article <7j57ig$eu2$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>,
# Crawford Lee Seals <supe...@mindspring.com> wrote:
# #
# #bbax wrote in message <7j2eku$5vt$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>...
# ##Can someone explain to me the reason behind huge backorders of Colt's,
# #
# #It's really simple: Y2K.
# #It is possibly the silliest scam that has ever been perpetrated upon the
# #American people. Perhaps there could be some serious glitches that cause
# #major inconvenience (though I'm betting against it), BUT ROVING BANDS OF
# #PEOPLE SEEKING TO ATTACK AND KILL YOU??????? Puhleeeeez. Of course,
don't
#
# Obviously, you weren't paying attention a few years back when large
# sections of Los Angeles experienced rioting, looting & burning, store
# owners were up on their roofs w/ rifles because the police wouldn't come
# out, etc. This all happened because a large segment of the population
# didn't like the result of a judicial verdict.
#
# Now, if widespread failure of basic services (water, gas, electricity)
# occurs as predicted, you don't think there's going to be civil unrest in
# urban areas? If so, then you're a bigger Pollyanna than the gun-banners!
Are we reading the same newspapers and periodicals? I know don't anyone
(outside of the usual conspiracy lovin' black helicopter crowd) who is
predicting "WIDESPREAD failure of basic services" --- and I read A LOT.
There will be no such disruption in my area (ie, widespread total failure of
basic services that leads droves of the meek to my doorstep to kill me
simply because they're....well....mad). I maintain that Y2K will not cause
that much disruption in the lives of US citizens.....certainly not enough to
spark urban warfare. I think this thing is basically a scam of momentous
proportions.
# The fact is, the whole Y2K thing *isn't* a scam; there really wasn't much
# being done about it until a few people stood up & said "the emporer is
# preparing to get naked!" Now, the widespread problems may not happen,
# because various people sat up & took notice of somethings they'd been
# studiously ignoring before. But many people want to be prepared, just in
# case. And *that* can only help owners who want to use their rifles *after*
# y2k, because those who only recently purchased a firearm for preparedness
# aren't going to like some hypocritical legislator saying "oh I'd like to
# confiscate that now..." & will start voting more sensibly than they may
# have in the past.
Like I said, I'll wait for the sales.
CLS
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From: 9m...@my-dejanews.com (9mill)
Subject: Re: detachable mag SKS illegal?
Organization: A poorly-installed InterNetNews site
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On 4 Jun 1999 22:10:25 -0400, scot...@aol.com (Scott4ASG) wrote:
#I have a Norinco SKS carbine that came straight from the factory with the
#capability of accepting AK-47 magazines. I bought this gun from a reputable
#dealer in my area three years ago. Today, I had it out at the local shooting
#range and was told by a fellow shooter that it was a felony to own this gun. He
#said something about a new law that makes detachable mag SKSs illegal. Is this
#true? Am I grandfathered because I’ve had it for three years? Any help you can
#give would be greatly appreciated.
#J.T.R.
#Portland, Oregon
Only in Kalifornia is your rifle illegal. Under their law, these
rifles are illegal to own, and must be turned in to the government.
************************************************
Thomas Jefferson noted, "When governments fear
the people there is liberty. When people fear
the government there is tyranny."
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From: hypno...@aol.com (Hypnogator)
Subject: Re: Legal Question
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
References: <7jb9hu$b7$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
Massachussets used to require you to flee into the street rather than use
deadly force if your home was invaded, but that court decision was replaced
legislatively.
Gary L. Griffiths
Chief Instructor
Advanced Force Tactics, Inc.
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From: faste...@aol.com (Fasteddie3)
Subject: Re: Remington 700 ADL or Savage 10FP
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
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<< Having trouble deciding between the Remington 700
ADL Synthetic or the Savage 10FP, in either .308
or 30-06. For now it will be used 100% for the
senseless murdering of paper, but I'd like to
leave my options open for hunting later. >>
Problem is, the guns are an 'apples and oranges' comparison. Despite its use as
a target or 'sniper' rifle, the 700 ADL is set-up as a hunting rifle:
comparatively light weight, light sporter barrel, stocked and balanced for
offhand shooting. The 10FP is Savages Tactical rifle, intended for sale to
police SWAT teams and such. As such, it has a very heavy 24" bull barrel, and
keeps the weight within reason by using a very lightweight synthetic stock; it
is, if you will, built to be a sniper rifle.
For the "senseless murdering of paper" <grin>, the 10FP wins hands down. The
extra weight eases recoil, and makes the gun easier to keep on target from the
bench or supported position, while the stock works fine from the bench.
Accuracy from the factory is excellent, and I've found my gun to be less fussy
about bullet weight and loads than any other gun I've owned: if the load shoots
flatter, it prints higher. Reliability of my gun has been perfect, as you would
expect of a modern bolt-action rifle.
You will undoubtedly get responses to your posting from Remington-lovers
claiming that 'because the trigger is no good on the Savage, you have to pay an
extra $100 for a replacement trigger mechanism, so buy a Remington, blah, blah,
blah...' Not true. The trigger mechanism _is_ adjustable, and in most cases
needs only a dab of moly-disulfide-based lube on the contacting surfaces to be
adequately clean for any but the shooters who have to blame their poor
performance on the trigger. The stock has also come in for criticism, since the
forend is pretty flexible due to the light weight. I never found it to be a
problem, since it's free-floating in relation to the barrel anyway. If you want
to make your rifle far more evil-looking, and also more comfortable to shoot, I
can recommend the 'Ultimate Varmint' or 'Ultimate Sniper' stocks from Choate
Machine Works. For under $200, you get most of the features of a $2,000
MacMillan tactical rifle, and it bolts on in five minutes.
Downside to the Savage: with the factory stock and 24" barrel, the gun is way
too muzzle-heavy to shoot comfortably offhand. The Choate stocks remedy this by
adding a couple of pounds to the overall weight, mostly in the butt. Another
alternative is the 10FP with a 20" barrel; still a heavy, stiff barrel, but
much better balanced. Someone claimed they had seen a 10FP with a fluted
barrel, which would also help the balance problem, but I can't verify that one
since I haven't seen it. For more info on the Choate stocks, try their website
at
http://www.riflestock.com/
Savage has some info on the 10FP on their website, but unfortunately don't say
anything about the avalability of alternate barrel lengths. Scopemounts are
available from Weaver and Redfield, maybe also from Leupold, though I've
haven't checked. I opted for the Weaver topmount from economy and previous
experience; properly installed with a dab of Loktite on the screw threads it
hasn't budged in over a year of shooting and carrying.
Anyway, you asked, I answered, hope you find the gun you want...
Ed Arnold
NRA Life, and proud of it!
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From: faste...@aol.com (Fasteddie3)
Subject: Re: Is the 1911 delicate ?
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
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<< I keep hearing that the 1911 is a delicate design prone to breakage because
of
the large flat spring that its trigger, grip safety and disconnector use. Is
this true? >>
Keep the gun the way John Browning designed it, and you'll probably never break
anything on it. Tinker with it to give it the "two-pound trigger pull that
breaks like glass" that so many of our more delicate shooters think they need
to hit anything, and it will break all the time. Hot-rod anything, including a
gun, and you are bound to screw up something once you go past the design
limits.
IMHO
Ed Arnold
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From: red...@yahoo.com (Mike)
Subject: Make your voice heard
Organization: Santa Fe Institute
You need to IMMEDIATELY contact the Speaker of the House,
Rep. Dennis Hastert, and your state's
Representatives and politely let them know that you do NOT want to
rush into debate on this bill. Also, you are very
displeased with the Senate action and want ANY anti-gun amendments
added to the House version. Ask why we need
new laws when only 8 out of 6,000 people who violated the existing
ban on illegal guns in schools have been prosecuted
by the Justice Department.
Speaker of the House- Rep. Dennis Hastert (202)225-2976, e-mail:
"dhas...@mail.house.gov" or fax: 225-0697)
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From: kmidd...@aol.com (KMiddle532)
Subject: Re: 454 ruger, nayone shoot it yet ?
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
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#
#
#No, it's called bait and switch, a dubious tactic at best. Of course, as we
#ALL know, Ruger is the world's most wonderful gun maker and marketer, so we
#as
#consumers should just roll over and take what ever they give us and be
#thankful. Cool idea, remind me to suggest it to Ralph Nader. Got KY? <g>
#
#Kirk
There is also another term for it: supply and demand, the basis of Our free
enterprize system.
Aside from the premature anouncement of the 'X-GI' I can not recall any other
piece that Ruger has failed to make good on, I could be wrong of course.
I fail to understand the attitude a number of this group display towards
S.Ruger+Co.
I currently own 7 Rugers and have nary a gripe with any of them.
And I have my eye on several more that I will obtain as time permits.
Look at it this way: Ruger introduced the "Hawkeye" handgun[remember that one?]
and it was a flop, compleate and total failure,
that was the last time Ruger released anything that was less than a winner.
Now consider the likes of Remington or Winchester.......how popular was the
Remington 600/660 searies? Or how about the
Winchester 88's and/or100's? How about the Remington 5mm rimfire?
Now who's the fool?
Remington and Winchester both are controled by big conglomerates[as are
Browning+Colt] and S.Ruger continues to stand on it's own 2 feet and say "see,
look what we can do!"
KM
If you ain't gonna cook, stay away from the stove!
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From: faste...@aol.com (Fasteddie3)
Subject: Re: 40-70 Sharps Straight Reloading
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
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<< The bore slugs out at .406. Using cases
made,reformed, from 405 Win basic brass and bullets sized to .406 the
cartrages will not chamber in the rifle. >>
Only alternatives I could see would be to neck-ream the cases (Forster should
be able to supply a reamer for not much), or cast the bullets softer (say about
1-30) and breech-seat the bullets ahead of the case, which will give you far
better accuracy than you would ever get from 'fixed' ammunition. Just depends
on what the owner wants to do with the gun. If you decide to go with fixed
rounds and bore-size bullets, I'd recommend 4227 powder as a good choice in
working up a load: measures accurately and burns clean at pressures appropriate
for the gun and cartridge.
IMHO
Ed Arnold
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From: kmidd...@aol.com (KMiddle532)
Subject: Re: 454 ruger, nayone shoot it yet ?
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
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#
#You can call it 'marketing', 'B.S.', 'hype' or whatever. I'd just call
#Freedom Arms if I wanted a real .454. At least it's not a paper fantasy
#from a manufacturer that couldn't care less about all gun owners and the
#Second Amendment.
So your saying that S.Ruger+Co. don't mind cutting their own throughts?
That is ludicrist.
KM
If you ain't gonna cook, stay away from the stove!
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From: tsw...@aol.com (Tswmike)
Subject: Re: S&W Mountain Guns
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
References: <7jbbu2$12n$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
They are both out of production at this time. Check with your local gun
dealers to find them
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From: faste...@aol.com (Fasteddie3)
Subject: Re: IMR 4227 "dirty"?
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
References: <7ja2bq$q1t$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
<< I've just shot some .357 and .44 special reloads with IMR 4227 and 158 g.
cast bullets. The performance was OK, but in most of the empties, the
powder left a large quantity of brown "granular" residue (almost like light
tobacco).
Is this normal for 4227? >>
Nope, means your pressures are too low to properly burn the powder. 4227 was
designed as a _rifle_ powder, for rounds like the .22 Hornet, and is really too
slow burning for any but the hottest loads in .357 or .41/.44 Magnum, with
fairly heavy bullets and long barrels. Using it in a .44 Special is just
right-out.
IMHO
Ed Arnold
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From: kmidd...@aol.com (KMiddle532)
Subject: Re: Ruger Mini-14 and accuracy
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
References: <7jbas0$o6$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
#
#I have both myself. Why do some folks keep insisting on bashing the Mini
#because it's not an accurate target rifle? It was never intended to be.>
You got that right!, however, I have managed to work mine into a sub-MOA
shooter through dilligence, marksmanship, and experimentation.
#It's
#a rugged, dependable defensive carbine that will save your bacon while
#someone
#else is tearing their AR apart.
#(Of course ARs are never any problem at the range though)
#When it's my life, I'd grab the Mini without a any reservation>
Actually, if one were to pull the average field
AR/M-16 and test it for accuracy the results would be very close to that of the
Mini-14, but if one throws reliabilaty into the equasion the Ruger wins, hands
down.
KM
If you ain't gonna cook, stay away from the stove!
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From: sail...@my-deja.com
Subject: Re: HK USP .45 site problem
Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
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Frank wrote:
I bought a USP .40 and had a similar problem. My bullets were hitting
low and to the left. Of course, it was my fault. I was pulling the
gun off target when shooting.
This is a common error with people new to semi-auto pistol shooting.
I had a S&W revolver before I got the HK and never had this problem.
Try dry-firing the gun 10-15 times(Don't worry you won't hurt your HK)
at something at home making sure your barrel does not drop or move-
you'll probably be surprised at how much it does move! It may take a
couple of days, but soon you will have a steady hand. I find that dry
firing in DA helps me even more.
When i first got my HK, I could barely control it. Now I can take
headshots at a life size target from 60' with no problem. If your gun
is truly out of whack, I apologize, but this is something I see at the
range all the time.
I'd guess you are left-handed? Am i correct?
*** That's correct, many new shooters tend to unintentionally pull down
and to the left when firing. It may take 100 rounds or more to develop
a technique to overcome this habit and some DAO trigger variants
exacerbate this problem. The HK USP in SA mode has about 1/4" take-up
prior to firing and when one can acquire a target while holding this
position, then it takes concentration and steadiness to then gently
squeeze the trigger until discharge. I take a shallow breath and hold
it at this point when shooting, and have been able to maintain pretty
good groups at 50 to 60 feet.
John and Victoria
NRA\TCSA Members
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From: dan...@ix.netcom.com (Dan Z)
Subject: Pro-gun telephone company?
Organization: Netcom
Time to switch service!
I know there is a pro-gun company associated with the NRA. Does any one
know the name of this company and how to contact them? Email direct,
if possible. Thanks.
-dan-
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From: Bruce Finkelstein <high...@cwix.com>
Subject: Re: Looking for a shooting jacket
Message-ID: <375987C1...@cwix.com>
References: <7ja3ae$q9m$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
Have you tried : http://www.creedmoorsports.com/
http://www.championshooters.com/
Champion's Choice, 201 International Blvd, LaVergne TN
37086 (615) 793-4066
Creedmoor has a Basic cloth jacket for about $65. Champion Shooter's start at
$75, Champion's Choice start at about $65. Remember, you get what you pay
for.
Bruce
Dave wrote:
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From: Doug Owen <dko...@home.com>
Subject: Re: What reload=USGI M2 .30 cal ball?
Organization: @Home Network
References: <7ikh0d$5m$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu> <7ja1gc$pqn$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
Paul & Victoria Heisner wrote:
#
# #Looking for a place to start reloading my own homegrown for my M1 Garand.
# #For starters, what was the standard bullet weight and velocity for the M1
# #garand? Does anyone have a pet load that gets pretty close? I'm also
# #looking for a round that matches the ballistics pretty well.
#
# I don't have the velocity at hand. I could look it up for you if
# nobody has posted it yet. But I do know that the bullet weight is 150
# gr., and the powder to use is IMR 4895. One person told me that the
# charge weight to use is 46.5 gr., but I just got my .30-'06 rifle
# today, so haven't had a chance to do any reloading for it yet.
#
The velocity is not the issue with this kind of gas gun (also the AR,
but not M1A). High port pressure can make a mess of things. Therefore
port pressure becomes the benchmark.
Ed Harris' recommend Garand ("and other military rifles") load for the
150 grain Sierra MatchKing in LC cases with Fed 210 primers is 48.0
grains with IMR 4895 for 2800 fps. 52.0 of W-748 for 2,775; 46.0 of
H-322 for 2740; 49.0 of AA-2520 for 2795 and 52 grains of IMR 4064 for
2800. Some shooters think the 4064 has a slight accuracy advantage,
especially at longer range. These are listed as 'approximates M2 Ball'.
He recommends as a "Best choice for all-around match load for use up to
600 yards, and accuracy testing" the 168 grain MatchKing. 46.5 grains
of the IMR 4895 gives 2640, 47.0 grains of H 4895 for 2660. 48.0 grains
of the IMR 4064 gives 2700.
Remember, gentle readers, to check the charges for your self against the
books you trust. Also remember the HPBTM type bullet has very short
bore riding area, low friction. Don't use these loads with other
bullets of the same weight without development. Expect higher pressures
from say a flat base.
Doug Owen
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From: nite...@aol.com (NiteOwl17)
Subject: Re: Writing to politicians
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
References: <7jabvn$27...@enews1.newsguy.com>
#Write them anyway, they care very much about their popularity. Let them know
#you won't vote for them if they vote for anti gun legislation.
#SPECOPS.
You'd be AMAZED at the weight a written, mailed letter has on politicans!
Pre-printed or e-mail mass mailings don't count for much... but the 'real
thing' sure does.
Fact: Being fatalistic is a self-fulfilling prophecy
Scott
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From: Doug Owen <dko...@home.com>
Subject: Re: IMR 4227 "dirty"?
Organization: @Home Network
References: <7ja2bq$q1t$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
Bart Frechem wrote:
#
# I've just shot some .357 and .44 special reloads with IMR 4227 and 158 g.
# cast bullets. The performance was OK, but in most of the empties, the
# powder left a large quantity of brown "granular" residue (almost like light
# tobacco).
#
# Is this normal for 4227?
#
Yes it is, filthy stuff, but it works so well.....
# Does it affect performance?
#
Not until it becomes extreme and effects the mechanics of the gun. As
far as performance goes, note this stuff will perform routinely what
most other powders cannot come close to.
# Is it an indicator that something in the reloading process is not optimized?
#
# Recommendations?
#
This will clean up somewhat as the load gets near 'full blast', but the
powder is slow (which is why it gives that lovely performance) and a
fair bit is unburned when the bullet leaves and pressures drop. If you
want clean, go with the fast guys, Clays seems to be popular.
If you want optimum performance, live with the dirt, it's not all that
hard to clean after all.
Doug Owen
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From: br...@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeffrey A. Del Col)
Subject: Re: 7mm-08 How does it Kick?
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
References: <7jbaeh$k6$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
In a previous article, anyw...@dot.com (Kevin) says:
#I'm thinking of getting my wife a Remington Model 7 in 7mm-08 or .308 but I
#want info on recoil. Which one would be easier on the body. Both rounds
#seem equally effective on the ballistic charts. Comments?
#
#Thanks,
#
#-Kevin
There is probably very little difference between the two. The 7mm-08
might kick slightly less, but the difference would be quite small.
Either one is a good choice. I have hunted with a Rem Model 788 in
.308 for years; with 150 gr. loads the recoil is nothing any shooter
should be concerned about. The 7mm-08 with the 140 gr. load would be
pretty much the same.
J. Del Col
--
1789 The new pagans meant at Paris to resurrect the old--
willfully ignorant of the classic people
who, ignoring Aurelius, demanded more artful public death--
and copied them faithfully.
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From: Doug Owen <dko...@home.com>
Subject: Re: .30-06-to-.308 converter sleeves?
Organization: @Home Network
References: <7ja386$q91$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
Joanne Forte wrote:
# Has anyone had any experience with those .30-06-to-.308Win converter
# sleeves that are advertised?
#
They work as advertised. They were a military development after all.
They tend to come out in rapid fire as the barrel heats. This is no big
deal to you and I, it's a true bummer in combat.
Accuracy will be poor compaired to the original chamber. The leade is
now in the insert and there's a lovely spot ahead of it to collect
fouling.
Overall, worth trying, probably not a 'great' solution.
Doug Owen
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From: Doug Owen <dko...@home.com>
Subject: Re: Century suspends sales of hi-cap mags
Organization: @Home Network
References: <7ja1og$pt6$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
BEAGLE GR wrote:
#
# Just got e-mail from Century Arms stating they were suspending sales of all
# magazines with a capacity greater than 10rds immediately. Stated the Centurion
# 99 Sporter was exempt from this decision. Looks like the wholesalers are
# caving in before the laws are written.
Could be, but the cynical side of me thinks perhaps they're looking to
make as much money as possible from their stock??? Anyone care to guess
the 'gun show price' of a used 30 round USA mag for the AR come election
time?
# I don't know how many hi-cap mags they
# import, but this & what is going on in California should wake everyone.
They used to import as many as they could sell. Now they're looking to
make as much as they can on what they have if no more are coming.
Supply and demand. You don't have to like it, but respect it, it's the
American Way.
As far as waking up, it seems long past time for that. We should take
note of the Brits and Aussies and guess what the next few weeks hold for
us.
You bet, wake up, get up, get on the phone, write and fax your
congresscritter. Get everyone who will still listen to you to do the
same. It may yet be too late.
Doug Owen
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From: nite...@aol.com (NiteOwl17)
Subject: Re: Ruger Mini-14 question
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
References: <7jbaof$n7$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
#Is the only difference between the Ranch and regular the way they eject?
Besides the intergral Ruger rings/mounting system (obvious) the Ranch is
equiped with a bolt buffer.
The Std model has a much more rugged rear sight, and a totally different (said
to be more reliable and less violent) ejector.
BTW, you can add a buffer to the Std model if you want to
Scott
the ejector is quite
#I had a couple of them back in the 70s (reg.Mini) and have decided to
#get another but was not sure which. I would like to try a scope but I
#prefer iron most of the time. Is there any other difference between the
#two other than the Ranch being made easier to mount one to? Thanks.
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From: Jerry <jd...@my-deja.com>
Subject: Re: Glock Life Expectancy
Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
References: <7j64o2$h2n$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu> <7jbajd$ls$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
One shot every 2.4 seconds for 2 weeks. They must have had several
people loading magazines and fireing. I wonder If they did regular
cleanings or just fired till it jammed. Who paid for the $100,000 worth
of ammo that was fired?
Suprising the gun didn't suffer from heating.
**********************************
In article <7jbajd$ls$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>,
"King Trent" <bwa...@nconnect.net> wrote:
# I read a test of the Glock 17, where 500,000 rounds were fired over
#two weeks, with the only noticeable wear being the (plastic) front
sight!
#
# Trent
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From: nite...@aol.com (NiteOwl17)
Subject: Re: S&W 9MM Revolver Question
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
References: <7jbagj$kr$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
#Several years ago, S&W sold a 9MM 4 inch barrel, blued steel 9MM
#revolver; does anyone know the model number they used for this gun? It
#isn't the current 9MM revolver in their product listing as of now.
#
It was called the M-547. Aso came with a 3" barrel too. What a sweet piece.
It was discontinued in 1985.
One of the gun magazines has an article about it, but I haven't been able to
find it yet.
Scott
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From: Jerry <jd...@my-deja.com>
Subject: Re: 380 Opinions?
Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
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In article <3758B9BD...@bellsouth.net>,
Jeffrey Johnson <jm7...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
# lots of people carry .380.
# Buy a good hollowpoint and it will do fine.
--
Normal advice, but when the cartridge is weak (poor penetration), why
does a hollowpooint help?
Jerry
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From: "BobValdez" <bobv...@webzone.net>
Subject: Re: 7mm-08 How does it Kick?
Organization: WebZone - http://www.webzone.net/ - +1.918.585.8800
Message-ID: <37599...@wznews.webzone.net>
References: <7jbaeh$k6$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
The 7mm will have a 3" minute edge on .30 cal. at equal (or slightly lower)
velocities.
I have had 7mm08's and .308's and like them both. My son hunts a .308, and
I used 7mm08.
Recoil same. In a model 7 youth I got for my daughter, 120 grain Nosler
Ballistic tips shot very well, and recoil was mild. Soon as we stepped up
to 140 grains, recoil became noticeable.
jeff
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From: rhort...@aol.com (RHorton000)
Subject: 9mm carbine
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
I saw a hi-point 9mm carbine at a gunshow in Atlanta this weekend. Does anyone
out there have ant experience with this weapon? At $165 I don't expect too
much, but it looked fun to shoot.
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From: mrwa...@gte.net (michael r walker)
Subject: colibri 22 ammuntion
does anyone know of a dealer who sells these on the internet, i
recently bought some at a gun show and i want to get some more before
i go on vacation to new mexico, they are so cool , i can shoot them
out the back door without ear protection..
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From: mrwa...@gte.net (michael r walker)
Subject: Re: Preban Beretta 92 SS mags
References: <7ja34d$q80$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu> <7jb1n7$2c5$1...@nntp5.atl.mindspring.net>
i don't know how you feel about mec gar, but i recently bought a
stainless 15 round for $29.95 at the suncoast gun show in tampa
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From: nite...@aol.com (NiteOwl17)
Subject: Re: HELP! S&W Sigma JUNK ?????????????????
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
References: <7ja3nf$qd1$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
#My Grand Father is looking at buying the S&W Sigma 9mm.
#We talked to the guy at the range we shoot at and the guy told us they
#were Junk and alot of people have been having a Bad time with them he
#send to go with a Glock or H&K for him.
#
#And one know anything about or have a Sigma?
They're perfectly fine!
As long as you're not talking about the .380 model or the SW9M (note: the "M")
which are quite different from the other Sigmas
I have a SW40C, and it's been flawless, perfectly comparable to my Glock M17.
It's trigger, (@8lbs), is not as nice as the Glock, (usually5.5lbs), but newer
Sigmas have been much improved in this regard.
I suspect the guy at the range either has an ego that can't deal with the Sigma
being 1/2 the price of the Glock and H/K... or... he's trying to sell you
something he has in stock right now, or will make more profit on.
Scott
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From: nite...@aol.com (NiteOwl17)
Subject: Re: Ruger 10/22 for home defense?
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
References: <7ja3gt$qbk$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
#Ross Jensen wrote:
##
## What stops people (or animals) is dropping their blood pressure. I have
#seen
## people with major parts of their body's missing or containing rather large
#holes
## still commit grievous harm.
#
#
#No brains in the head also works.
#
Bingo. It's called trashing the Central Nervous System.
Hydraulic failure takes lot of time, and bad stuff happens in that time
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From: nite...@aol.com (NiteOwl17)
Subject: Re: Registration is the first step to confication,, Re-post form e-Mail
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
References: <7ja3cn$qac$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
#What we need is a court
#case dealing with anti-gun legislation to go forward. It may
#eventually need to go all the way to the Supreme Court before
#this issue will really be settled.
The Supreme Court has been declining to accept a 2nd Amendment case for
decades.
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From: Ryan Carlos Fernandez <gt5...@prism.gatech.edu>
Subject: Ruger 10/22 bullpup kit
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology
I have seen as few ads for this. Is it any good? Will it work with my 50
round clips? How much is it?
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From: bt...@aol.com (Bterr)
Subject: Re: S&W Mountain Guns
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
References: <7jbbu2$12n$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
Those Mountain Guns I've seen have been very nice indeed. They should
be as accurate as any other S&W revolver.
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From: "Brad & Sherri P." <chedd...@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Blocked Magazines
Message-ID: <06e4236472105...@email.msn.com>
References: <7jbamf$ml$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
You must be CRAZY. You have preban magazines that are legal and rapidly
rising in value. Why mess with them at all?
Why not just order some new 10 rounders from Bushmaster???
There is no logic in blocking 20 round magazines........
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From: sail...@my-deja.com
Subject: Re: H&K USP Opinion
Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
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interested party wrote:
Well, I've got quite a few 1911's so I'm not totally ignorant of how
to handle a firearm. After saying that, I bought a H&K USP in 40 cal.
While familiarizing myself with the gun, the bottom of the clip fell
out. I assumed it was something I had done (it comes apart easily)
now I'm wondering..........I haven't fired the gun, and only bought it
cause the price was right. But I'd be very interested in hearing if
anyone else has had this problem.
*** The problem you experienced was caused by the magazine not being
full seated. As you already know it has a ambidextrous magazine
release and there is a spring loaded cam lever tab inside the guns
grip. Remove the magazine and you will see this lever tab, when
actuated it rotates forward towards the trigger, this will release the
magazine. When you insert the magazine try tapping on magazine to seat
it into position, then pull on it to see if it disengages. If it
disengages and comes out, look at the magazine, on the front side,
there is a notch located about 1" down from the top. Check this notch
to determine if there are any marks that may suggest it has not seated
properly. Also, look at this cam lever to determine if it is bent or
otherwise not protruding into the magazine well, this will indicate if
it is actually seating into the magazine notch as it should. I hope
this helps, please let me know how this works.
John and Victoria
NRA\TCSA Members
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From: Ryan Carlos Fernandez <gt5...@prism.gatech.edu>
Subject: Re: Bullett collectors. help please
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology
Message-ID: <7jc5ut$s...@catapult.gatech.edu>
References: <7jbbcd$tc$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
I think that you mean flechette rounds. They are rounds for a shotgun
that fire darts instead of shot.
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From: "The Ritcheys" <rit...@extremezone.com>
Subject: Re: S&W 9MM Revolver Question
Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc.
References: <7jbagj$kr$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
It was the M547, Handguns mag just did an article on it in the July 1999
edition, if anyone has one for sale, let me know.
Charlie
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From: nite...@aol.com (NiteOwl17)
Subject: Re: Preban Beretta 92 SS mags
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
References: <7ja34d$q80$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
#Are there any preban 15rd mags available for the Beretta 92 series in
#stainless steel? Or was SS started after the ban? Thanks.
Yes they exist, they pre-dated the ban. (I had a SS M-92 before the ban for
awhile)
But I think you'll have a hell of a time finding them. Virtually all the M92
mags you find are actually military production (you'll see the pt number on the
back).
Also, you should know that while the slide and barrel were indeed stainless...
the mags were just chrome plated. (And chip at the feed-lips, getting shards of
chrome into the works... They really do a number on aluminiun frame rails)
Scott
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From: bt...@aol.com (Bterr)
Subject: Re: 7mm-08 How does it Kick?
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
References: <7jbaeh$k6$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
The 7-08 and .308 are not quite equal ballistically. The .308 will kick
more in the Model 7 due to the fact that the .308 shoots a heavier bullet.
Expect about 20 pounds of recoil with the .308 180gr. About 16 pounds
with the 7-08 140gr. If you're worried about recoil go with a 125gr.
Nosler Partition for hunting in a 260 Rem.
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From: Carl Donath <ctdo...@wzrd.com>
Subject: Re: detachable mag SKS illegal?
References: <7ja0uh$pmb$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
Scott4ASG wrote:
# He said something about a new law that makes detachable mag SKSs illegal.
The BATF has some really goofy rules about the legality of SKSs. Certain stocks
are ok, others are not, removable mags are bad if you add/convert after some
arbitrary date, etc. Contact the BATF and ask (they are helpful on such
issues).
'course, if you're in CA you're just screwed.
--
Carl Donath http://www.donath.org
--------- Gun owners: the new target of hatred and discrimination ---------
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From: nite...@aol.com (NiteOwl17)
Subject: Re: Beretta 92FS vs. H&K USP 9mm vs Glock 9 mm
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
References: <7ja2dt$q2c$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
#I'm am in the market for a new 9mm and have finally narrowed it down
#to 3 choices.
#1. Glock 34 (i think)--it's the one that's there newest 9mm w/ the 6
#inch barrell
#
#2. Beretta 92FS
#
#3. H&K USP 9 mm
#
I would chose the Glock, but the model 17. All 3 you mention are supurb
pistols, but I would avoid the Beretta unless you have large hands. (It took me
quite awhile to realize it was too large for me) Actually, due to Beretta's
locking system, the pistol is way oversize for a 9mm in my opinion.
Scott
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From: "Zorbo" <zo...@netrax.net>
Subject: Re: Best Price and Place for AR/AK mags
Organization: Netrax
Message-ID: <7jc6js$mj...@ns1.netrax.net>
References: <7ja498$qi9$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
Cheaper Than Dirt has AK mags for $10 or $15.
AzN007G wrote in message <7ja498$qi9$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>...
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From: Carl Donath <ctdo...@wzrd.com>
Subject: Re: Mossberg Question
References: <7jbbku$100$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
Michael Smith wrote:
# Also anybody have a suggestion for defensive ammo for a shotgun?
00 buck. 9 simultanious 9mm pellets ought to do the job.
If penetration is not a big problem (ex. me living alone in rural area), use
slugs.
--
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From: mhor...@netcom.com (Mark Horning)
Subject: Re: Saving Private Ryan Video
Organization: Netcom
References: <7iotrd$c8g$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu> <7iu8a7$onl$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu> <7j2dul$5po$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
In article <7j2dul$5po$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>,
T. Johnson <john...@mediaone.net> wrote:
#
#<FRE...@webtv.net> wrote in message news:7iu8a7$onl$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu...
## OF COURSE! I knew something was wrong when Whoopi Goldberg came out
## wearing that Shakespeare In Love goofy costume. But what does it mean?
## Shall we all profess to be educated? "Cry havoc, and let slip the
## dogs of war!" That's my favorite Shakespeare quote, but I got that from
## The Postman, and that's a DAMN fine movie!
##
##
#
#Hmm, and here I thought it was from "Star Trek, THe Wrath of Kahn". heheh.
#A great quote nonetheless.
#
What's wrong with you people, It's a quote form Star Trek IV the
Undiscovered country. Wrath of Khan quotes _Moby Dick_ and _Tail of two
Cities_ not Shakespear.
The quote is of course originaly from _Julius Ceaser_.
A play well worth viewing or at least reading.
Mark E. Horning "You can not enslave a free man. The most
Physicist you can do is kill him."
Phoenix AZ --Robert A. Heinlein-- (Free Men)
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From: jim...@my-deja.com
Subject: Full auto handgun in movie Face Off
Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
Near the end, there is a handgun, that looks like a Beretta, that is
shooting in full auto. Anyone know what kind/model it is?
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks.
Jim
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From: guns...@aol.com (Guns4570)
Subject: Re: Dillion Square Deal B ??s help!
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
References: <7jbbg4$uo$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
New SD B's are about 249.00 from Dillon so you got a very good deal. Yes ther
are dies for the 40 and the Sig.
Steve
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From: yaka...@pagesz.net (Vince Yakamavich, Raleigh NC)
Subject: Re: Remington 700 ADL or Savage 10FP
Organization: Ntrnet Systems
References: <7jb9ra$de$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
On 5 Jun 1999 09:48:26 -0400, chri...@my-deja.com wrote:
#Having trouble deciding between the Remington 700
#ADL Synthetic or the Savage 10FP, in either .308
#or 30-06. For now it will be used 100% for the
#senseless murdering of paper, but I'd like to
#leave my options open for hunting later. There
#is a lot of info out there concerning the
#Remington, but I have not found anything about
#the performance, reliability, problems, etc. with
#the Savage. Thanks in advance for your opinions
#and advice. HS
Savage makes one hell of a rifle; no-doubt the best value for your
money. They are extremely accurate, and reliable, and strong. But
their triggers suck. Creepy, drag, over-travel. And a long lock
time. There's not much you can do to "tweak" the trigger, short of
replacing it. ($85).
If you "need" a good trigger, the Remington is the way to go.
But let's face it -- 99% of folks who buy these rifles (hunters) will
NOT shoot more than 40 shots per year! For them, there really is no
advantage of a good trigger.
On the other extreme are people who shoot a lot.
I'll put it to you this way -- I *used* to own 2 Savages; but I
replaced them both with Remingtons. For me, a decent trigger is
imperative to accurate shooting.
=======================================================
If you opt for the Savage in .308, make sure you get one of the "new"
short action models. They just came out with that late in '98, I
think. The difference is about 1/2 inch of bolt throw, and a
pain-in-the-ass stamped metal magazine block.
(prior to the short action model, Savage built everything -- .223's up
to .30/06 with the same length action. Your .308 will be okay in a
short action; if you go to .30/06, you'll need the long action.
Remington has always had 3 actions, which were sized to the cartridge.
======================================================
Since .308 is a current NATO caliber, brass is much more readily
available than .30/06, as is surplus ammo. With all the CMP Garands
getting sold, finding (cheap) .30/06 ammo is next to impossible.
=======================================================
One last point -- the Savage synthitic stock is hollow! I was quite
disappointed with how flexible it was. I don't really know about the
ADL's synthetic stock. My Remington Varmint Special is solid, with an
aluminum bedding block built in.
Good luck, and good shootin!
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From: yaka...@pagesz.net (Vince Yakamavich, Raleigh NC)
Subject: Re: Is the 1911 delicate ?
Organization: Ntrnet Systems
References: <7jb9vc$es$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
On 5 Jun 1999 09:50:36 -0400, rea...@aol.com (REast52) wrote:
#I keep hearing that the 1911 is a delicate design prone to breakage because of
#the large flat spring that its trigger, grip safety and disconnector use. Is
#this true?
#
Ummmm.... the 1911 has served in 2 World Wars, 2 "Police Actions" and
even today retains tremendous popularity. It is thought of as the
"standard" that *all* other hand guns are compared to.
Obviously, it is of very poor design. (NOT!!)
My own personal experience --> bought one in 1965, and I have yet to
break the flat spring; nor have I heard of any one breaking same, even
with weekly use.
Who ever is tellying you that obviously has no first hand experience.
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From: yaka...@pagesz.net (Vince Yakamavich, Raleigh NC)
Subject: Re: Shot for reloading
Organization: Ntrnet Systems
References: <7jba47$gt$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
On 5 Jun 1999 09:53:11 -0400, gun_...@my-deja.com wrote:
#Where can i find a good source for mail order of
#shot for reloading?
#
I doubt you will.
The shipping on 25#s will eat you alive.
The best way is to buy it from a store (or a trap and skeet club).
They buy it by the pallate (1 ton lots), and can save money over UPS.
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From: yaka...@pagesz.net (Vince Yakamavich, Raleigh NC)
Subject: Re: Sealing Ammo
Organization: Ntrnet Systems
References: <7jbadr$k0$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
On 5 Jun 1999 09:58:19 -0400, mitte...@aol.com (Mittens316) wrote:
#Hello all,
# Is it possible to seal ammo from moisture? For example, using clear
#fingernail polish around the neck and primer? --- Like in waterproofing
#matches?? Any and all comments welcome. Please e-mail replies, as well as
#posting. Thanks in advance.
#
Yeah, the military does it with some kind of laquer.
I don't know about regular-nail polish though. It COULD seep into the
primer (liquid OR fumes), and ruin it.
Personally, I wouldn't mess with it.
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From: do...@csrlink.net (Doug Smith)
Subject: Re: Glock Life Expectancy
Organization: Newscene Public Access Usenet News Service (http://www.newscene.com/)
References: <7j64o2$h2n$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu> <7jb9lq$c3$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
My Glock 30 recoil spring assembly broke after 5000 rounds. I sent it in 4
weeks ago. After 2 weeks, no call, no replacement. I called. They didn't
get it, but they said they'd sent one out the next business day. I waited
another 7 days. Nothing. I called. They said they had the order ready to
ship and it would go out the next business day. It has now been another
week, and I've received nothing.
FWIW, The first time I sent my gun to them to have work done (new
ejector), they were a pleasure to do business with.
# David Steuber wrote:
# #
# # I am wondering what the life expectancy of the typical Glock is.
# # Also, what is the life expectancy of a Glock 30? Will I notice the
# # difference between a Glock that has fired 200 rounds and one that has
# # fired 20,000 rounds or 200,000 rounds?
# #
# # Are there any immortal pistols?
#
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From: Olen Goodwin <ogoo...@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: Is the 1911 delicate ?
Organization: Concentric Internet Services
Message-ID: <3759A81B...@concentric.net>
References: <7jb9vc$es$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
About as delicate as an anvil:)
org
REast52 wrote:
> ...
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From: yaka...@pagesz.net (Vince Yakamavich, Raleigh NC)
Subject: Re: Blocked Magazines
Organization: Ntrnet Systems
References: <7jbamf$ml$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
On 5 Jun 1999 10:02:55 -0400, "John" <jfla...@webspan.net> wrote:
#I have a few 20 round colt mags. I want to block them to 15 rounds. What
#would be the best (and legal) way?
#
I modified a couple of 20 rounders for 5 rounds (to be legal to hunt
with in AZ).
I just cut some wooden dowels to the proper length, and inserted them
thru the floor plate.
The bad news was that as the mags became empty, the plug would rattle.
If this was a permanent mod, I guess you could epoxy or screw the plug
in place.
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From: "Lance LaFrinier" <lan...@lcp2.net>
Subject: Re: convert Glock 23 to .357 Sig
References: <b5323.14206$H82.2...@news3.mia> <7ja328$q7g$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
# My concern is over the apparent difference in weight between the Model 23
and
# Model 32. The Model 23 weighs 600 grams, while the Model 32 weighs 610
grams,
# per the catalog. Since the Model 23 presumably has a heavier barrel -
more
# material due to the larger diameter - I'm guessing the Model 23 is
actually
# lighter. Maybe it's lighter because the slide is lighter, less heavy-duty
# (less able to withstand the .357 Sig)? It's just a thought.
#
The same barrel with larger diameter caliber would be lighter, not heavier.
More material removed.
Lance
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From: wvanh...@aol.com (WVanhou237)
Subject: Re: Bullett collectors. help please
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
References: <7jbbcd$tc$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
In article <7jbbcd$tc$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>, John Curry <jcu...@primus.com.au>
writes:
#live on Australia and I have a friend who collects Bullets. He's has
#got a small collection of the most popular bullets of handguns, rifles,
#and so on. He is trying to get a bullet called "Flichett" or Fillet.
#It's supposed to be a skinny dart type bullet.
#I dont know if it's illegal to have this bullet or not? can you help.
#
A "Flechett" is not reall a bullet though it is a projectile. It is small,
solid steel, and dart shaped. But a lot of them are loaded into an
Artillery round something like a shotgun shell. Much as the canister
or "grapeshot"used to be. Great for close in defense of an Artillery
position. On the recieving end, one probably wouldn't kill you, but
you would more likely be hit by fifty. If you can find one, I see no
reason why it would be more illegal than a nail.
Bill Van Houten (USA Ret)
Nothing that is politicaly Right can be Moraly wrong.------ Th. Jefferson
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From: wvanh...@aol.com (WVanhou237)
Subject: Re: Is the 1911 delicate ?
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
References: <7jb9vc$es$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
In article <7jb9vc$es$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>, rea...@aol.com (REast52) writes:
#
#I keep hearing that the 1911 is a delicate design prone to breakage because
#of
#the large flat spring that its trigger, grip safety and disconnector use. Is
#this true?
#
One adjective I have never heard in connection with 1911 is "delicate".
Even with the prettyfied, accurized, updated (?), safeties added versions
there is nothing "delicate" about them. BTW, the spring you speak of
does very little flexing and more of them are ruined by someone trying to
adjust the trigger pull than any other way.
Bill Van Houten (USA Ret)
Nothing that is politicaly Right can be Moraly wrong.------ Th. Jefferson
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From: wvanh...@aol.com (WVanhou237)
Subject: Re: Lanyard Revolver/Pistol carry?
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
References: <7jbatr$on$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
In article <7jbatr$on$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>, "David E. Powell"
<David_Po...@email.msn.com> writes:
#
#I know that the Brits were big on lanyards as a revolver accessory into WW2
#(Not sure about their autos) but they also used holsters, and apparently the
#lanyards were a backup of sorts.
#
#
#A lot of pistols seem to have lanyard rings, though. I have seen autos as
#well as revolvers with this feature, though not many these days with the
#actual lanyard itself attached.
#
Lanyards were used so that the pistol could be dropped without losing
it. As in a Cavalry charge. Or when it is empty and you need to use
another weapon. Or maybe to keep an opponant from grabbing it away
from you. I think I remember some of the old 1911A1 mainspring housings
had a lanyard ring on the bottom. Probably left over from the pre-WWII
Cavalry use.
Bill Van Houten (USA Ret)
Nothing that is politicaly Right can be Moraly wrong.------ Th. Jefferson
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From: wvanh...@aol.com (WVanhou237)
Subject: Re: 380 Opinions?
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
References: <7ja138$pnh$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
In article <7ja138$pnh$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>, posi...@my-deja.com writes:
#
#I am preparing to go through the motions of obtaining a CCW and have
#been shopping for sometime now. As with most people, I want small,
#light wieght, and yet a good amount of "operational power."
#
#Now, because of the above mentioned reasons I have been looking over the
#380 cal. and would like some feed back.
#
When I got my CCW, for me the choice came down to a weapon that I
would get used to carrying during the time I am not sleeping. Since I like
SA pistols I opted for a Colt Mustang .380. With the short sight radius and
short barrel its not a 25 yd gun but is certainly capable of COM shooting at
7-10 yards range. With it's light recoil I can get off 5 aimed shots in three
seconds. Drawing from a holster in my right hip pocket (always covered by
a loose shirt tail) that stretches into five seconds. I've never had to prove
it
of course, but I suspect strongly that the .380 has plenty of punch for thin
skinned game.
The real choice is for a carry weapon that I _will_ have with me and not one
that I may leave at home because it is too bulky or too heavy.
Bill Van Houten (USA Ret)
Nothing that is politicaly Right can be Moraly wrong.------ Th. Jefferson
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From: wvanh...@aol.com (WVanhou237)
Subject: Re: MODEL 1911 GI HOLSTER
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
References: <7jbaos$na$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
In article <7jbaos$na$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>, philip...@my-deja.com writes:
#
#I have read a black GI holster for the Colt 1911 auto
#dates from the 1950's til now and that the the brown
#GI holster dates from WW1 thru WW2. Does anyone know t
#he significance of a tan GI holster?
#
A brown 1911 holster means that no GI it was issued to before got
around to dyeing it black. Among some troops like MPs and such
it was long a habit to dye them black and "spit shine" them. Didn't
help the leather much but ---------------
Bill Van Houten (USA Ret)
Nothing that is politicaly Right can be Moraly wrong.------ Th. Jefferson
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From: Olen Goodwin <ogoo...@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: 7mm-08 How does it Kick?
Organization: Concentric Internet Services
Message-ID: <3759A9DF...@concentric.net>
References: <7jbaeh$k6$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
Hi Kevin, IMHO the .308 is the better choice ballistically, but probably has a
little more recoil, depending on the load. I have a Browning Abolt in .308,
and really like it. (also have a .270 and .300 win, and find myself carrying
the .308 most of the time, even elk hunting.) The Model 7 might be a bit stiff
in the recoil department for her in either caliber, depending on her experience
level
Take care
org
Kevin wrote:
> ...
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From: yaka...@pagesz.net (Vince Yakamavich, Raleigh NC)
Subject: Re: CMP sales : can I buy TWO Garands ??
Organization: Ntrnet Systems
References: <7jbb1p$qb$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
On 5 Jun 1999 10:08:57 -0400, "G. Carter" <sha...@cyberhighway.net>
wrote:
#I've read the CMP application for buying a Garand. My qualifications are
#military service, club membership, and a CCW. So it appears that I'm
#eligible.
#
#The form lists junior sales, which obviously means I purchase for my
#son. BUT, does his Garand fall under the provisions of my qualifications
#(i.e.: military service, club membership, and CCW), or does he have to
#shoot in a match also?
#
#Basically, can I purchase a Garand for EACH of us under my
#qualifications?
#
#Thanks in advance.
#
Why would YOUR military service / club / CCW count as ANYTHING for
him?
(Hell, my dad served in WW2, does that qualify me?)
IMHO, HE would need to belong to the club or state association (they
do have junior memberships, don't they?) and HE would have to qualify
by firing 50 shots in some kind of competiton.
Those requirements are no big deal. If HE really wants one, HE should
go thru the requirements.
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From: "Stacy Doski" <do...@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: FS: Dillon Belts, Bull-X Moly Coated Bullets
Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services
Dillon Leather Belts for Sale:
1.5" Black, size 38 - about one year old, worn a couple dozen times,
excellent condition - $25 shipped
1.25" Black, size 38 (with one extra hole punched) - about six months old,
worn about twice per week, excellent condition - $25 shipped
1.25" Tan, size 38 - (with one extra hole punched) - about one year old,
heavy wear but still serviceable, good condition - $13 shipped
1.25" Tan, size 36 - under two months old, like new - $35 shipped
Bull-X CSJ Moly Coated 200 grain LSWC .45 bullets - 500+, $40 shipped
Thanks for looking!
Kevin
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From: "Richard & Adel Tennyson" <DASH...@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: .303 clip
Message-ID: <0773b23512205...@email.msn.com>
References: <7jbc03$13b$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
www.jgsales.com has Lee Enfield magazines. Mike Tennyson
Keith Baker wrote in message <7jbc03$13b$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>...
> ...
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From: yaka...@pagesz.net (Vince Yakamavich, Raleigh NC)
Subject: Re: Dillion Square Deal B ??s help!
Organization: Ntrnet Systems
Message-ID: <3759a983...@news.pagesz.net>
References: <7jbbg4$uo$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
RUN!!! (don't walk), and JUMP ON IT!!!! (that's gotta be the deal of
the century!) Even if it's totally busted, Dillion has a lifetime
guarantee on their presses!
It will meet all your needs (for pistol ammo).
It will NOT do rifle ammo (which is longer in length).
But for pistol-only, you'd be hard pressed to find a better press!
On 5 Jun 1999 10:16:36 -0400, Fearbird <win...@hickory.net> wrote:
> ...
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From: "David M. Miller" <dmmi...@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: Glock safety question
Organization: self-employed
Message-ID: <01beafa7$193a4140$5c2c...@crc3.concentric.net>
References: <7j2eil$5ve$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
You MUST have a holster that completely covers the trigger well.
Dave
Jay Koch <ja...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in article
<7j2eil$5ve$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>...
> ...
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From: eeng...@falcon.csc.calpoly.edu (Eric Engstrom)
Subject: CCW with Hi-Power for skinny guy
Organization: Cal Poly
Fellow rec.gunners,
I'll probably apply for my CA CCW (Siskiyou County) this summer. While I'm
6'5", I'm only 150lbs (computer geek; what do you expect :). Question:
what's the best way to conceal my Browning Hi-Power? I usually wear jeans
and tucked-in shirts. IWB, SOB, fanny pack (maybe) seem most appropriate,
though I haven't tried anything yet. Or is this an excuse to get another
(smaller) handgun?
Also, what did fellow CA residents put as a "reason" for CCW? "To be in
compliance"? Thanks for the help.
Eric
--
Eric Engstrom, Computer Science, Cal Poly, SLO
eeng...@falcon.csc.calpoly.edu
http://www.csc.calpoly.edu/~eengstro
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From: Ryan Carlos Fernandez <gt5...@prism.gatech.edu>
Subject: Building your own clips
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology
I was looking at my ruger 10/22 rotary magazine today, and I was a little
curious as to whether or not it would be hard to build your own clips for
this. I was wondering if anyone out there had ever tried this or had
modified an existing clip to hold more rounds. BTW, is there a straight
clip for this rifle, or just the curved kind?
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From: "Neil Schneider" <nsch...@ultranet.com>
Subject: Mossberg 590 question?
Recently bought a 590, primarily for defense use. I would however like to
be able to replace the 20" barrel with something longer for hunting use.
The regular 500 barrels do not fit on he 590, does anyone make barrels for
the 590?
Neil
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From: "BILL" <BI...@KKTV.COM>
Subject: Re: Why no blowback .30 '06 rifles?
Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc.
Message-ID: <92862458...@news.remarQ.com>
References: <7gkcdt$7tk$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu> <7gloce$dpg$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu> <372EDDCF...@mcmfamily.com> <7gtae9$2uj$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu> <7h01ra$bnj$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
There was one...the BAR.
Bill
John Briggs <j...@bbz.net> wrote in message
news:7h01ra$bnj$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu...
> ...
blowback
> ...
primary
> ...
are used
> ...
rifles)
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From: sri...@world.std.com (Stephen M. Rizzo)
Subject: FS: Thompson L Drum
Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA
For sale Auto Ordnance W. Hurley NY 50 round drum for model 1928 Thompson,
NIB. $650. shipped.
E-mail: sri...@world.std.com
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From: carb...@aol.com (Carbon60)
Subject: can G34 be converted to G17?
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
I think the answer to this is no, but can a Glock 34 be converted to a G17?
The frame is supposed the same, but I doubt that just sticking an upper from a
G17 on a G34 lower would work. Frame rails, etc., probably differ.
Thx for any input.
Carb...@aol.com
G27, G30, G34
END^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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From: mrj...@my-deja.com
Subject: Re: Northern Indiana Gun Show?
Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
Message-ID: <7jcbnc$hg1$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>
References: <7jb9n3$cc$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
Fred,
Try giving Midwest Gun Exchange a call -they're right in your neck of
the woods (Misiwaka I believe). They're always at all the shows out my
way - Crown Point, Scherriville. They should be able to get you in
contact w/ the right people.
John
In article <7jb9n3$cc$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>,
"Fred Whitlock" <a...@cl-sys.com> wrote:
> ...
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
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From: "Ed Denhoff" <ed...@borg.com>
Subject: Re: HELP! S&W Sigma JUNK ?????????????????
Message-ID: <3759b...@nntp2.borg.com>
References: <7ja3nf$qd1$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
I have a Sigma & haven't had one problem with it (although I've only fired
perhaps 200~300 rounds so far).
Not one jammed ejection, nothing.
By the same token, a guy at the range had one that kept breaking firing
pins. Perhaps the early models had problems?
Ed
Jeff <sh...@cyberg8t.com> wrote in message
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From: cly...@sedona.net (Clyde Mcclelland)
Subject: Re: 45 Long shotshells
Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing
References: <7j2e5a$5rq$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu> <7j3jr1$2r6$1...@usenet50.supernews.com>
On 3 Jun 1999 01:41:48 -0400, "John K"
<handc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
#Several years ago I read an article where the writer did essentially the
#same thing. He used regular 45 Colt brass though.
SNIP
I have used .444 Marlin cases to make .45 Colt
shot shells. Can not find all my notes, but one empty
case is about 1.642" long, overall. It was fired in a Colt
New Service revolver and will not -- now -- enter a Ruger
Vaquero chamber. I seem to have turned down the cartridge
case heads to a thickness of approximately 0.058", which may
have been necessary for the Colt New Service.
This was not my idea; I was testing a suggestion I had read
about many years ago. Loaded cases apparently contain 210
grains of #8 shot or 232 grains of #9, using 5 grains of
Unique. YMMV -- test this load at your own risk. These
cases fire-formed into the profile of the chamber. As I
recall, extraction was a little difficult. I made four
narrow saw cuts, about a quarter-inch long, back from the
case mouth to make extraction easier. I used a cardboard
wad on top of the power and also on top of the shot, held in
place by a layer of carpenter glue.
Have fun, but always be careful!
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From: smg...@aol.com (SMG637)
Subject: Re: Movie Gun in "Sniper"
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
References: <7jbaj4$lp$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
#Can anyone identify the bolt action rifle
Either the Remington 700, or the X40 HB thats what the marines were using in
the 80's.
mailto:st...@grossenbacher.net
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From: mba...@aol.com (MBALLAI)
Subject: FS Cold Steel Mini Tanto
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Bought this a few years back, carried it a little, its virtually unused.
Leather sheath. Great self defense knife. $70 USD not incl shipping
Mike Ballai
mba...@aol.com
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From: "Dave" <dric...@feist.com>
Subject: Reload Data 400 Corbon
Looking for data for cast bullets in the 400 Corbon
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From: thom...@aol.com (Thomasnic)
Subject: Re: S&W Mountain Guns
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
References: <7jbbu2$12n$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
I have the 45colt and for right out of the box with reloads is my carry all
around.
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From: Cosmic Charlie <cosmic...@erols.com>
Subject: Re: CCH for Fat Guys Suggestions?
Organization: Quints Bell and Foundry
Message-ID: <3759BD...@erols.com>
References: <7ierrn$7b4$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu> <3757303c...@news.nai.net>
lensman3 wrote:
> ...
I found some non elastic ABOVE the cross over in back at my local lumber
yard (Fairfax lumber & Millwork, No. Va.)....they are in a MORK
multicolor....makes a BIG difference
--
1*....cc
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From: "M.B." <m...@bigsky.net>
Subject: Glock 27 magazine
Organization: Big Sky Network Technologies, Missoula, MT USA
My new glock came with two 9 round magazines. The ninth round is a real
bitch to get in and when it is in the magazine requires more force to load
into the gun which also makes it more difficult to chamber the first round.
This seems like the mag really is only an effective 8 round mag. Anyone else
have this problem?
Mark
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From: "Bob Gaskins" <bgas...@ipass.net>
Subject: Harrassment at Fayetteville, NC Gun Show
Organization: iPass.Net
I just came back from the Gun Show in Fayetteville, NC where the City of
Fayetteville had their City Revenue Collector demand from each vendor a City
privilege license or he would close down the vendor's booth. This is the
first time I have seen this happen and serioulsly doubt the liberal Clinton
supporting jerk was out harassing people at yard sales and flea markets. I
for one am getting damn tired of seeing myself and other pro-gun owners the
victims of government harassment. I am not a Vendor just another citizen who
was in Fayetteville who went to spend some of my hard earned money in a two
bit town that does not deserve patronizing. I understand the license fees
were in some case over a $100 bucks and expired the end June 30 to begin
their new fiscal year. This just makes be distrust our government even
more.
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From: Brandon <bsus...@dejanews.com>
Subject: Re: Bad Firing Pin Strike??
Organization: Mouton Noir Enterprises, Inc.
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LeRoy Patterson wrote:
#
# Go to the Lighting Strike web site http://www.lspi.com and look at the
# striker the girl is holding.
Now - what I want to know: for the pistol that her striker pin fits, is
how you place the four people that are necessary to hold the thing up?
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From: Art <art...@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: CCW Contact info for all 50 States?
Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services
Message-ID: <7jcffu$eeg$1...@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>
References: <7jb9pa$cr$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
Florida
http://licgweb.dos.state.fl.us/weapons/index.html
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From: mik...@jorsm.com (mike clark)
Subject: Re: Dillion Square Deal B ??s help!
Message-ID: <3759bf3...@news.jorsm.com>
References: <7jbbg4$uo$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
Go to www.dillonprecision.com and you can get the online manual for
it. Also dillon does not make 357 sig dies for it at this time
(according to the blue press).
On 5 Jun 1999 10:16:36 -0400, Fearbird <win...@hickory.net> wrote:
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From: hgu...@home.com
Subject: Re: HELP! S&W Sigma JUNK ?????????????????
Organization: @Home Network
References: <7ja3nf$qd1$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
Jeff wrote:
#
# My Grand Father is looking at buying the S&W Sigma 9mm.
# We talked to the guy at the range we shoot at and the guy told us they
# were Junk and alot of people have been having a Bad time with them he
# send to go with a Glock or H&K for him.
#
The Sigma series is not JUNK I have one and like it very much accurate
and very comfortable to hold almost natural fit to the hand. The sigma
is an exact copy of the glock as a matter of fact the settled out of
court with glock that they copied the Glock so much that S&W has to pay
a fee for all the Sigmas sold. My advice is go with what is more
comfortable in your grandfathers hand and if price is an issue then you
will lean towards the Sigma It is not cheesy and a very well made piece.
you will not be disappointed.
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From: "Jason Nash" <ja...@the-nashes.net>
Subject: FS: Pre-ban AR-15 with Matched Upper - Forgot the Price!
Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing
This is a pre-ban AR-15 built with a Pacific West Arms lower receiver. The
upper receiver is matched to the lower in fit and finish. They are very
tight unlike other custom and factory AR-15s. 16" HBAR with bay lugs and
flash suppresor. 3 position aluminum collapsible stock. Flat top upper
receiver for a scope with a removeable handle. Colt internals. Excellent
condition with 200-300 rounds fired. Pictures are available at
http://www.the-nashes.net/ar15 Send questions to ja...@the-nashes.net.
$1200 + shipping.
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From: bud...@rocketmail.com
Subject: Re: Is the 1911 delicate ?
Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
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References: <7jb9vc$es$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
In article <7jb9vc$es$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>,
rea...@aol.com (REast52) wrote:
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No not at all.
have a day
bud
--
Everybody has a story, just take the time to
listen.
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From: mnjh76...@hotmail.com (James)
Subject: Re: H&K USP Opinion
Organization: Not Much
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#than my 1911 considering it's recoil reduction system . Accuracy... That's
#another story.
# I have tried every brand and configuration of ammo on the market and it
#is still below what I consider acceptable. The best group I can get with
#factory ammo is about 6in. at 25 yards. Has anyone else had this problem
#from a .45 USP?
# I would like to be able to blame poor the groups on my marksmanship, but
#I routinely shoot 2in. groups at 25 yards with my 1911's.
# In still carry it as it's a requirement by my dept. that the duty weapon
#be double action on the first shot.
#
#PS. Wish I had bought a SIG 220.
#
#MD
#
You must just have gotten a poor example of the USP 45 or I have a very good
one. My USP shoots 2 inch and less groups at 25 yards all day long and at 7
yards can get 3 shots into the same hole (after 3 I can't stand the pressure
and miss). Last week it put 25 rounds into a quarter size hole at 7 yards.
James
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From: "J. Gooldy" <pop...@maine.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Looking for a shooting jacket
Organization: TWC Portland, Maine
References: <7ja3ae$q9m$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
For a shooting jacket go to Creedmoor's web site and pick the one you like!
http://www.creedmoorsports.com/
Dave <dd5...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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# Hi all,
#
# I am looking for either a canvas shooting jacket or preferably one of
# the good leather ones. I AM NOT looking for a shot gunning jacket,
# rather I am looking for a rifle shooting jacket. (I say that after
# finding many sites of nothing but sporting clays jackets....)
#
# The jackets that I remember where used for target shooting mainly. I
# used the canvas ones with the Marine Corps and the leather ones while
# shooting competitive small bore at the collegiate level.
#
# Although I've looked everywhere I can think of but have yet to find what
# I am after.
#
# Thanks in advance for your help.
#
# Semper Fi,
# Dave
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From: "Keith L" <bird...@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: black powder guns
Organization: MindSpring Enterprises
References: <7ifl01$bji$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu> <7ikgl1$1r$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
Looking for Super Well Made Black Powder Muzzleloader ?
Try http://members.spree.com/sip/gunman/ or tbr...@wizzards.net
He makes some of the finest around.
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From: "Stu" <stu...@banet.net>
Subject: Re: Shot for reloading
References: <7jba47$gt$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
You'll probably pay a fortune for shipping. Best bet is to go to one of the
bigger ATA trapshoots in your area (state shoots or satellite grands) and
check out the vendors. Picked up hard #8's for 13.50 per bag tax included
at the SC state shoot.
--
Stu Miller
NRA Life Member
ATA Member
http://www.geocities.com/yosemite/cabin/6417/index.html
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From: "Thomas og Kristin Gjerse" <thomas....@skynet.be>
Subject: Re: Is the 1911 delicate ?
Organization: Belgacom Skynet SA/NV
References: <7jb9vc$es$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
Absolutely not. If you use a good quality spring, Wilson, Wolff etc. They
will just keep going. I have a vintage 1911A1, and as long as I don't feed
it LSWC's, it works fine. -Even with a badly fitted extractor and too long
ejector, I can not make it jam. The brass gets very dinged up,
(unreloadable) but it never ever jams with hardball or LRN.
Thomas
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From: "Thomas og Kristin Gjerse" <thomas....@skynet.be>
Subject: Re: M9 vs. .45
Organization: Belgacom Skynet SA/NV
References: <7ietkm$82b$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu> <7iflbg$bpq$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu> <7imgv1$6jv$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu> <7iot2l$bnr$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu> <7iq4an$f5k$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu> <7irgo5$hvr$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu> <7iu82t$ola$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu> <7j2ef5$5ue$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu> <7ja2kb$q44$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
Given that they both use ball ammo, the difference in "stopping power" is
very small. I wouldn't like to be shot with any of them! Besides, in the
military, you are supposed to wound, not kill, the theory being that a
battlefield casualty takes two other guys to get to safety. A dead soldier
is just left there. In other words, wound somebody, and you just took 3 guys
out of the fight.
Thomas
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From: Clayton Sharps <clayt...@cdepot.net>
Subject: Re: Best Price and Place for AR/AK mags
Message-ID: <3759CAC3...@cdepot.net>
References: <7ja498$qi9$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
Any of the European mags with the rib in the back are fine, stay away
from the chinese as they are spot welded and subject to "popping" the
welds when used to much. I've had 2 that this happened with.
AzN007G wrote:
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From: "Thomas og Kristin Gjerse" <thomas....@skynet.be>
Subject: Re: Gun for wife?
Organization: Belgacom Skynet SA/NV
References: <7j2ds3$5p5$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu> <7j52et$dsd$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu> <7j920b$hn8$1...@news.apple.com>
Probably a .22 revolver or auto to figure out the basics, as with any new
shooter. Then start working out what fits her hands best, etc. For self
defence, I'd reccomend a Glock in .40 S&W, or the new .357 SIG. Recoil is
not bad, and both are very effective calibres, as long as you practice.
Thomas
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From: "Thomas og Kristin Gjerse" <thomas....@skynet.be>
Subject: Re: Definitive 1911 vs. Glock
Organization: Belgacom Skynet SA/NV
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Ive fired quite a few G17's, or P80 as they are called in the Norwegian
military. One had a problem with misfires, but it turned out to be a faulty
striker spring. Properly working Glocks wil pound the snot out of primers.
Remember, they were designed to fire NATO ammo, also used in SMG's, and this
fodder sometimes have pretty hard primers. They are awesome pistols,
accurate as hell, but the trigger does take some getting used to...
Thomas
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From: "Thomas og Kristin Gjerse" <thomas....@skynet.be>
Subject: Re: Hearing and home defense?
Organization: Belgacom Skynet SA/NV
References: <7ja2ha$q3f$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
Buy a set of high quality electronic earmuffs. That way you can still hear
what's going on around you, and protect your hearing. Way better than
settling for an inferior caliber. Use a .40 S&W with high quality HP's, or
even better, a shotgun.
Thomas
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From: "Thomas og Kristin Gjerse" <thomas....@skynet.be>
Subject: Re: Breakfree CLP - How to use it?
Organization: Belgacom Skynet SA/NV
References: <7ja0kv$pjl$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
Spread liberally over all parts, scrub with a brush, spray with a degreaser
to remove everything, then lightly coat everything with it. It is good
stuff. Break Free CLP is used by several nations military forces for this
reason, it does everything. Clean, lube, and protect.
Thomas
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From: "Thomas og Kristin Gjerse" <thomas....@skynet.be>
Subject: Re: Compare the Kick of blowback versus recoil operated pistols
Organization: Belgacom Skynet SA/NV
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But the slide will soften the recoil a bit as it is pushed back by the case,
against the recoil spring, won't it? I don't know a lot about the physics
stuff, but it seems that whether the barrel moves back or not shouldn't
really matter a lot??
Thomas
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From: dwe...@aol.com (DWEB3X3)
Subject: Re: Looking for a shooting jacket
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
References: <7jbboa$111$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
Try champions choice in TN. I dont think they have a web address, but they do
have a store outside Nashville in a town called La Vergne They sell competition
stuff for us NRA National match shooters.
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From: "Glenn E. Meyer" <gme...@express-news.net>
Subject: Re: Glock G27
References: <7j2ae5$4ue$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu> <7j583b$f17$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu> <Pine.LNX.3.95.99060...@animal.blarg.net>
glenbo wrote:
#
# I have and carry a g27 and have for more than a year. I hardly know it's
# there. I find that it has less recoil as the 9mm g26 model. Strange as
# that may seem. That is why I got the 27 over the 26. You can use g23 mags
# as well (g22 mags give me problems). My backup mag is a pre-ban g23 mag
# with a +5 extender. 8)
#
I disagree, I have shot the 26 and 27 extensively.
The 27 definitely has more recoil.
Glenn
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From: dwe...@aol.com (DWEB3X3)
Subject: H380 powder
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
I have a stock of H380 powder on hand for my .308 and was wondering if anyone
had a particular load that worked well for a .22-250. I loaded up some in a box
of rounds: 36.5grs H380, 55gr Hornady sp spitzer, WLR primer, neck sized only
and bullet depth of 2.440(custum chamber) and it shot about.75 inches at 100
yds.
This is ok but will I be able to tweek it a bit more or should I go with
another powder such as H4895 or IMR 4064?
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From: sho...@pipeline.com (rj)
Subject: Re: Gun safes
Organization: MindSpring Enterprises
Message-ID: <3759f9c4...@news.pipeline.com>
References: <7ja3b3$q9s$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
Randy
I bought the large Zanotti. It comes in 6 pieces you can move
yourself. It's not fireproof for that reason. Fits together with 1/2"
"L" pins.
I put it in the basement, would have never fit if it was assembled.
rich
On 4 Jun 1999 22:51:15 -0400, Randy Harrod <harro...@hawaii.rr.com>
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From: "Dan" <rampa...@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Center of Mummy - Not!
Message-ID: <7jciuf$fb2$1...@autumn.news.rcn.net>
References: <7j2bv1$5au$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
Chest shots poke holes in them and do no good, eh?
The problem here isn't discrepencies between human and undead anatomy, the
problem is that you aren't poking big enough holes.
That 75mm Anti-Tank gun mentioned in the thread above would probably be
quite effective - The mummy/vampire/zombie/teletubby in question, although
technically not dead, would be scattered over several hundred meters and
incapable of further wrongdoing.
A low-tech substitute would be the common woodscrew, placed alongside
several hundred of its brethren, and launched at high velocity via a
moderate charge of plastic explosives.
(Take the HOLY #@$& factor of the highest powered rifle you've ever shot,
multiply it by 20, and then take it offshores, because it's not allowed here
in the home of the brave, and the land of the free.)
About the only legal thing you can do when Dracula attacks is dial 911, and
then wait 37 minutes for the police to arrive, mistake the bite marks on
your neck for an assault weapon, and shoot you 241 times. (For 11 hits.)
Have a day.
Dan
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From: ki...@dialnet.net (Rick Greninger)
Subject: Re: S&W 9MM Revolver Question
Organization: DialNet USENET News Service.
References: <7jbagj$kr$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
In article <7jbagj$kr$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>, at...@aol.com says...
#
#Several years ago, S&W sold a 9MM 4 inch barrel, blued steel 9MM
#revolver; does anyone know the model number they used for this gun? It
#isn't the current 9MM revolver in their product listing as of now.
#
#----------------------------------------------------------------------
That was the 547 and was intended for European law enforcement sales. They
were built on a "K" frame same as the model 10"s and model 19's. If I remember
correctly there were 2 versions offered, a 4" with adjustable sights and a 3" with
service sights. Special spring steel fingers were built into the ejector rod that
would slide into the rebated rim of the 9mm shell case and then push it out of the
chamber. There were reports that these were prone to break, although I have
one of these revolvers and haven't had any problems with it.
Rick@Springfield
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From: "Bud Carpenter" <bud...@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Is the 1911 delicate ?
Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing
Message-ID: <ygk63.2562$D_5....@news2.giganews.com>
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I don't know. Mine has the flat spring that was put in it in 1964. No
problems yet, and I shoot about 150 rds a month.
--
Bud
To have really lived, you must have almost died.
To those who have fought for it, freedom has a flavor the
protected will never know.
Scrawled on a bunker outside Khe Sahn, RVN
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From: joe_...@cyberramp.net (Dennis Williams)
Subject: Re: 98K Mauser dissassembly
Organization: Cyberramp (using Airnews.net! at Internet America)
References: <7j2aun$52n$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu> <7ja4au$qiq$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
Duh... that should read 'The Mauser BOLT Actions'... slip of the
finger.
On 4 Jun 1999 23:08:14 -0400, joe_...@cyberramp.net (Dennis Williams)
opined:
#The Mauser Bold Actions
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From: dhub...@sonic.net (David St. Hubbins)
Subject: Re: SKS Rifle
Organization: Sonic,Santa Rosa CA,http://www.sonic.net
Message-ID: <7jck35$2l8$1...@ultra.sonic.net>
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when i replaced my gas tube hand guard i just pivioted it on the pin angling
it back and banged the wood out (destroying it) and files a little of the
zytel and banged it in
if one rubber mallet doesnt work get a heavier one
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From: "Bud Carpenter" <bud...@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Navy Arms SAA revolvers: Quality? Accuracy?
Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing
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Might want to check out the New Dakota Model .45LC.
--
Bud
To have really lived, you must have almost died.
To those who have fought for it, freedom has a flavor the
protected will never know.
Scrawled on a bunker outside Khe Sahn, RVN
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From: "Glenn E. Meyer" <gme...@express-news.net>
Subject: Re: Glock G36
References: <7jbbjk$vk$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
I haven't seen it at shows yet.
I heard at the time of the Shot Show there were only
two in the country. However, there were demos
supposedly at those big Duck Unlimited outdoor shows.
Talking to some FFLs today who said that a lot of
the major companies are holding back stock and raising
prices.
Bye
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From: "Chris MacClellan" <xlo...@email.msn.com>
Subject: +P+ BS
Well Gentlemen I broke down and bought a cronograph and have found that the
9mm Remington +P+ ammo I just bought is Slower than regular FMJ Speer
Lawman's!!! Actual was Remington 1125fps and the lawman's hit 1225.
Chris
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From: mca...@aol.com (M Cantu)
Subject: Re: M9 vs. .45
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
References: <7jbbrl$11s$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
They found that one of the gunmen had been hit with a 115gr. Silvertip that
functioned perfectly but stopped just short of the heart, which allowed him to
keep shooting and kill an FBI agent. The result of the study was the adopting
of the 10mm round and the development of the heavy 147 gr. 9mm rounds
#I find it strange that the FBI research in the wake of the Miami shootings
#determined that penetration was extremely important and faulted the 9mm for a
#lack thereof, I believe the determination was that a cross-section of .40
#minimum was preferred.
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From: gun...@webtv.net (Troy Dickens)
Subject: 30 Carbine Ammo
Organization: WebTV Subscriber
Can someone e-mail me with ballistics info on the 30 Carbine? Also any
experience with it?
Thanks
Troy
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From: barr...@viclink.com (Bill Marrs)
Subject: Re: Is the 1911 delicate ?
Organization: Valley Internet Services
References: <7jb9vc$es$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
In article <7jb9vc$es$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>, rea...@aol.com (REast52) wrote:
#I keep hearing that the 1911 is a delicate design prone to breakage because of
#the large flat spring that its trigger, grip safety and disconnector use. Is
#this true?
No. At least I've never broken one. I would be interested in the opinion of
others as to the "most likely to break" and render the pistol inoperable
part of the 1911.
Bill
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From: "Chris MacClellan" <xlo...@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Hearing and home defense?
Message-ID: <0915907110206...@email.msn.com>
References: <7ja2ha$q3f$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu> <375b0b44...@news.edge.net>
You must be joking who in there right mind would here someone creeping or
breaking into there house would grab ear muffs!!!!!!!! and if you did you
probably get charged with murder 1 as in premeditated for putting the muffs
on before you shot him!!!!
Chris
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From: w8...@wirefire.com (clyde dobson)
Subject: Re: .303 clip
Organization: Newscene Public Access Usenet News Service (http://www.newscene.com/)
Message-ID: <3759d8e1...@news.wirefire.com>
References: <7jbc03$13b$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
On 5 Jun 1999 10:25:07 -0400, "Keith Baker" <kg...@intrepid.net>
wrote:
springfield sporters, inc, in pa...(724)254-2626
ive deallt with them several times...if its for enfield, they have
it.. they get 4 stars in my book
cw dobson
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From: sqze...@aol.com (Sqzeplay9)
Subject: Re: Is the 1911 delicate ?
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
References: <7jb9vc$es$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
My Colt Series 70, new in 1974, has been pretty fragile. I've only been able
to get 25 years out of it so far. Have replaced recoil springs and buffers
every two years. Had to replace the dang barrel at about 80,000 rounds.
That's it.
What a pile. I don't think I'm going to get more than 50 more years out of
this thing.
MR
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From: "Ed C" <edc...@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Worth applying for CCW in Maryland?
Message-ID: <A%k63.9701$437...@news2.atl>
References: <7jbbjv$vn$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
I'm not in MD but think you should apply, it's only $70. Being in a
wheelchair should actually help, I would think. If there is a Q on the form
about the reason you should be given a permit state the you are in a
wheelchair and physically disabled and it's your 2nd amendment right.
--
Ed C
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From: nh...@mindspring.com (Nick Hull)
Subject: Re: Worth applying for CCW in Maryland?
Organization: MindSpring Enterprises
References: <7jbbjv$vn$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
In article <7jbbjv$vn$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>, dmcc...@aol.com (DMccue69) wrote:
# I would like to get a license to carry but have been told my many that your
# chances of being approved are slim to none and I don't want to waste $70. If
# you have been approved in MD please let me know. I have no strikes against me
# that would keep me from carrying but I don't know if they would consider me to
# have sufficient reason to want to carry since they are pretty stingy about
# giving these things out. I am paralyzed from the waist down due to an accident
# and use a wheelchair. I have had instances where I have been threatened with
# physical violence but not anything documented. I'd appreciate others insight
# into this.
#
# Damian
#
When my sister in law tried to get a drivers licence in MD, she was
repeatedly flunked until she found out how it works. She bribed (hired) a
policeman & passed right away. MD is corrupt.
--
Committees of Correspondence Web page:
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5357/
- free men own guns, slaves don't
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From: sqze...@aol.com (Sqzeplay9)
Subject: Re: Kimber Alloy Compact vs Colt Defender
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
References: <7jbav9$pf$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
Kimber. Get a Kimber. Mine is GREAT - Haven't seen a Colt this good in 15
years...
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From: nh...@mindspring.com (Nick Hull)
Subject: Re: Well, so much for Elizabeth
Organization: MindSpring Enterprises
References: <7j2qsf$v...@enews2.newsguy.com> <7ja3d3$qaf$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
In article <7ja3d3$qaf$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>, Russel Brooks
<rlbr...@pobox.com> wrote:
# #> The Constitution is NOT just a piece of paper,it's what we as
citizens stand
# #> ...
# #> We fought a revolution before because a hierarchy didn't let us...
#
# Actually, no WE didn't. We're just living the benefits of those
# that did. Perhaps that is the problems; WE didn't earn the
# rights so we don't value them enough?
#
True; unless WE are willing to use all necessary means to protect our
rights they will continue to be trashed. If we are not ready, wiling &
able to fight a long & bloody civil war to defend the Bill of Rights the
politicians will not take us seriously
--
Committees of Correspondence Web page:
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5357/
- free men own guns, slaves don't
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From: nh...@mindspring.com (Nick Hull)
Subject: Re: CCH for Fat Guys Suggestions?
Organization: MindSpring Enterprises
References: <7ierrn$7b4$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu> <3757303c...@news.nai.net>
In article <3757303c...@news.nai.net>, coon...@mail2.nai.net
(lensman3) wrote:
# On 25 May 1999 14:57:59 -0400, falot...@aol.com (FALOTHSJOJ) wrote:
#
# > ...
# There are pocket holsters for Glock 26/27 that will help the printing
# problem, and will cover the whole trigger guard. Mine has a 'hook' of
# holster leather that can be used to drag the holster off the gun when
# drawing from the pocket. The guard will be clear of clothing when the
# holster is cleared.
# A Kel-Tec can be carried in the front pocket stabilized and masked by
# a softly balled up handkerchief. The Kel-Tec 10 has a 10+1 capacity
# in 9mm and is IMHO quite reliable. It is more comfortable to carry
# than the Glock bccause of the lighter weight.
# I'm 6'3" and 295 and understand the problem. BTW, I wear haevy
# suspenders. Does anyone know where I can get non-military non-elastic
# suspenders?
#
Home Depot carries heavy non-elastic suspenders, with some choice of color.
--
Committees of Correspondence Web page:
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5357/
- free men own guns, slaves don't
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From: Crea...@webtv.net
Subject: Re: Ruger 10/22 Rifle
Organization: WebTV Subscriber
References: <7ja1s9$pu1$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
the single best change you can make to a 10-22 is to put in a
Volquartsen hammer,which
costs about $35. this will improve the trigger
action dramatically. while you're doing this,
put in a Volquartsen slide release,about $10.
this lets you drop the slide by just pulling back
on the handle,rather than having to use 3 hands
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From: "Doug" <dli...@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: H&K USP Opinion
Organization: MindSpring Enterprises
References: <7iot1p$bnd$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu> <7j2ecb$5to$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu> <7jba4r$h3$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
MICKEY STERLING wrote in message <7jba4r$h3$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>...
#
# I bought a .45 USP about 1 1/2 years ago for a duty weapon. It has
proven
#to be extremely reliable with any type of ammo. Recoil is noticably less
#than my 1911 considering it's recoil reduction system . Accuracy... That's
#another story.
# I have tried every brand and configuration of ammo on the market and it
#is still below what I consider acceptable. The best group I can get with
#factory ammo is about 6in. at 25 yards. Has anyone else had this problem
#from a .45 USP?
Same here. I was quite disappointed when I first took my USP to the range.
I can shoot my other .45 (Sig220) much better. In my case I think the gun
is capable of much better accuracy but I am having trouble with the rather
poor trigger pull.
Does anyone know of a good gunsmith in the Atlanta area that can do a good
trigger job on a USP?
Doug
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From: Crea...@webtv.net
Subject: Re: HELP! S&W Sigma JUNK ?????????????????
Organization: WebTV Subscriber
References: <7ja3nf$qd1$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
a S&W factory rep told me that some lots of the
9mm Sigmas had had problems and that the
factory was replacing any that were returned.
They've apparently had no problems with the
380 Sigmas
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From: nh...@mindspring.com (Nick Hull)
Subject: Re: Don't give up before the fight's over!
Organization: MindSpring Enterprises
References: <7j52l3$du5$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu> <37570f5e....@news.postalzone.com>
In article <37570f5e....@news.postalzone.com>,
john...@sportscity.com (John) wrote:
# On 3 Jun 1999 01:08:51 -0400, "SPECOPS" <spe...@itexas.net> wrote:
#
# > ...
#
#
# Ya know what we (pro-gun people) should do is set a certain day to
# have a pro gun rally and show are area reps and congressmen the number
# of people that support our 2nd Amendment rights. If we get enough
# people all across the states to rally on one particular day in
# designated areas (state capitols?) and enough of us are serious about
# this and show up MAYBE (one can hope) that they (reps and congress)
# may take notice to the numbers of the pro gun people and see we will
# not give up are rights without a fight.
# Any ideas on this?
#
It is very hard to get large numbers of working folks to show up for a
rally on weekdays. The rally does no good when the legislature is not in
session. Maybe when we all lose our jobs & go on welfare it will be
easier.
If we beg for our rights we don't have any; rights are what you take &
keep by force of arms against all infringers. If the only casualties are
on our side we are losing the war.
--
Committees of Correspondence Web page:
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5357/
- free men own guns, slaves don't
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From: jma...@aol.com (JMarose)
Subject: Re: .303 clip
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
References: <7jbc03$13b$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
Try Springfield Sporters, R.D. 1, Penn Run, PA 15765.
Phone (412)-254-2626
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From: Crea...@webtv.net
Subject: Re: Bolt action .22LR?
Organization: WebTV Subscriber
References: <7j2bbt$56v$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
If you want the best: Anschutz, Kimber, Dakota
are all excellent
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From: Crea...@webtv.net
Subject: Re: Suggestions for cheap Ammo suppliers?
Organization: WebTV Subscriber
References: <7jbbhb$v2$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
Black Hills and Georgia Arms are both good
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From: Kenneth Walters <k...@flagstaff.az.us>
Subject: Dillon RL450 Jr
Organization: InfoMagic Internet Service, Ltd.
I looking for a Dillon RL450 Jr. That's the little machine like the 450
but smaller that used the Square Deal dies. If you have one for sale,
e-mail me.
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From: Crea...@webtv.net
Subject: Re: Magnum Research DE Mark VII 44 magnum - opinions?
Organization: WebTV Subscriber
References: <7j55pd$eib$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
If you like a giant, heavy gun that will work with
some jacketed-only ammo (no lead-ever) and
also cost a fortune with minimal re-sale value,
get one. Or, for much less money, you can buy
a S&W 629 Classic that will work flawlessly with
all 44 mag ammo and probably be more accurate. My local dealer just
bought a like-
new Mag research 44 for $300-the thing didn't
work and the owner just wanted to get out of it
beofre he had more headaches
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From: "Litsios" <lit...@worldpath.net>
Subject: FS: LH Weatherby .340 Weatherby Mag.
Organization: WorldPath Internet Services
LEFT HAND Deluxe Weatherby
Made in Germany
Working gun, is used to being outdoors. Numerous small dings on stock. Small
scratch on barrel.
Bluing 85%- 90%. Bore and muzzle crown perfect.
.340 Weatherby Magnum. Will kill anything in the western hemisphere, no
problem.
$685.00 plus S&H
will only ship to FFL holder
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From: David Steuber <tras...@david-steuber.com>
Subject: Re: Glock Life Expectancy
Organization: Nerds With Guns
References: <7j64o2$h2n$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu> <7j66hi$nfi$1...@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net>
Thanks, folks!
It looks like I'll just get my self an extra recoil spring assembly or
two as back up. I'd like to try the .45 Super.
How important is it that I clean the Glock _everytime_ I shoot it? I
generally just do 100 rounds in a session. That may increase if I
start using an indoor range that I have to pay for.
--
David Steuber | You may call me david in e-mail replies, if you wish
V o t e L i b e r t a r i a n
"Every man has his price. Mine is $3.95."
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From: David Steuber <tras...@david-steuber.com>
Subject: Re: SKS buyback program in CA!
Organization: Nerds With Guns
References: <7j654u$h6f$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu> <7ja20n$pv7$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
geo...@webtv.net (George Ham) writes:
-> Anyone in Kalifornia might want to think before accessing the CA/DOJ SKS
-> buyback website. I understand that you leave a trail that anyone can
-> trace whenever you enter a website. You can bet that the CA/DOJ will do
-> it, and then look for the jack-booted thugs.
The only trail left is the IP address that was assigned to you by your
ISP in the server's log file. If you use a dialup connection, your IP
address is assigned dynamicly. In order to track you, the DOJ would
have to do the following:
1) Get the times of each connection with each IP address.
2) Obtain logs that may not exist from your ISP to match with their
logs.
ISPs who have the logs (for billing purposes) won't give out that
information without being threatened. Also, lots of people visit
those websites. There is no way for the DOJ to start searching homes
based on those visits covertly.
It would be illegal to get a warrant to obtain the ISP logs because
that would require lying to the judge. The act of visiting a website
certainly doesn't constitute probable cause for a search.
--
David Steuber | You may call me david in e-mail replies, if you wish
V o t e L i b e r t a r i a n
If a jury in a criminal trial stays out for more than twenty-four
hours, it is certain to vote acquittal, save in those instances where
it votes guilty.
-- Joseph C. Goulden
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From: David Steuber <tras...@david-steuber.com>
Subject: Re: COLT CONCEALED CARRY OFFICERS MODEL: OPINION?
Organization: Nerds With Guns
References: <7ja2ur$q6r$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
"JEM" <jmi...@rsaeng.com> writes:
-> I'm looking at a Colt CCO. Does anyone have an opinion?
I own one. I like it a lot. However, it isn't as concealable as the
Glock 30 even though it is lighter and holds only 7+1 or 6+1 depending
on the magazine follower.
However, it is very comfortable to shoot and quite accurate.
--
David Steuber | You may call me david in e-mail replies, if you wish
V o t e L i b e r t a r i a n
It's is not, it isn't ain't, and it's it's, not its, if you mean it
is. If you don't, it's its. Then too, it's hers. It isn't her's. It
isn't our's either. It's ours, and likewise yours and theirs.
-- Oxford University Press, Edpress News
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From: David Steuber <tras...@david-steuber.com>
Subject: Re: Hearing and home defense?
Organization: Nerds With Guns
References: <7ja2ha$q3f$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
All firearms that I have ever fired, including a .22 rifle, will cause
hearing damage, especially when fired indoors. Your best bet may well
be a .45 ACP or .380 ACP. I would go with the .45 because fewer shots
should be required. Both have subsonic bullets so the only source of
blast noise is from the charge.
The ideal solution is to have a pistol with a suppressor. Thank the
NFA for the $200 tax you have to pay to get one.
--
David Steuber | You may call me david in e-mail replies, if you wish
V o t e L i b e r t a r i a n
Another possible source of guidance for teenagers is television, but
television's message has always been that the need for truth, wisdom
and world peace pales by comparison with the need for a toothpaste that
offers whiter teeth *___ and* fresher breath.
-- Dave Barry, "Kids Today: They Don't Know Dum Diddly
Do"
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From: David Steuber <tras...@david-steuber.com>
Subject: Re: 380 Opinions?
Organization: Nerds With Guns
References: <7ja138$pnh$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
posi...@my-deja.com writes:
-> So in short, is the 380 sufficent enough for personal protection? Your
-> feed back would be greatly appreciated!
I have an SW380 for carry where extreme concealment is important to
me. But I am not comfortable with it as a stopper as I am with a
45. It is better than nothing, but not as good as 9x19 or up.
--
David Steuber | You may call me david in e-mail replies, if you wish
V o t e L i b e r t a r i a n
"I'd love to go out with you, but I did my own thing and now I've got
to undo it."
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From: David Steuber <tras...@david-steuber.com>
Subject: Re: Glock 27 Round
Organization: Nerds With Guns
References: <7ja26r$q0p$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
"M.B." <m...@bigsky.net> writes:
-> I just bought a Glock 27, what a sweet gun, does anyone have any suggestions
-> for a defense round and a good concealed holster?
I use Golden Saber ammo and a De Santis "The Stealth" holster for my
G30. The G27, being narrower, should conceal even better.
--
David Steuber | You may call me david in e-mail replies, if you wish
V o t e L i b e r t a r i a n
John Birch Society -- that pathetic manifestation of organized
apoplexy.
-- Edward P. Morgan
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From: rei...@aol.com (ReikiP)
Subject: Re: Is the 1911 delicate ?
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
References: <7jb9vc$es$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
NO!
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From: tsb...@aol.com (TSBench)
Subject: Re: Countries withe least restrictive gun policies??
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
References: <7jbbdp$tv$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
In article <7jbbdp$tv$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>, james...@aol.com (Jamesb6985)
writes:
#What countries have the lease restrictive gun policies? Any specifics would
#be
#helpful.>
Assuming you mean real, developed countries, the USA is right up there, and is
probably the least, or pretty close to the least, restrictive.
There are a bunch of third world backwaters which have strict laws which nobody
obeys and nobody enforces, so that's about the same as not having any.
Regards,
TSB
Bill Walker...Producer and Cohost of The Shooting Bench radio
program....General Manager, WDIS-Radio, Norfolk, Massachusetts.
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From: range...@aol.com (Ranger1002)
Subject: Re: Blocked Magazines
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
References: <7jbamf$ml$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
#I have a few 20 round colt mags. I want to block them to 15 rounds. What
#would be the best (and legal) way?
Never heard of anyone wanting to block mags and why that would be illegal.
My guess is that you could cut a block of wood to fit inside the magazine body
and the height that five rounds take up. You would insert the wood block
between the spring and floorplate.
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From: Bob Ranck <B...@newsguy.com>
Subject: Re: Tan GI Colt 1911 holster
Organization: Extra Newsguy News Service [http://extra.newsguy.com]
Message-ID: <7jcpei$1s...@edrn.newsguy.com>
References: <7jbapm$ng$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
The tan was when the ARMY and the ARMY AIR CORPS all wore brown leather shoes.
When the UNITED STATES AIR FORCE was created, (@1947), they gradually phased in
BLACK leather (shoes,garison belts, Sam Browne rigs, visors on garrison caps,
etc,) and black became the Air Force Way. There was a phase-in, period, when
both brownand black were acceptable, depending on your date of enlistment or
commissioning. Referred to in the AF as "...the brown-shoe" days. Or, one
often heard an old noncom speak of "a brown-shoe troop" as a person who was in
when the leather was brown.
Just history. That's how it was in the AF. I can't say why in the Army.
Bob
In article <7jbapm$ng$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>, philip...@my-deja.com says...
> ...
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From: range...@aol.com (Ranger1002)
Subject: Re: HELP! S&W Sigma JUNK ?????????????????
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
References: <7ja3nf$qd1$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
#My Grand Father is looking at buying the S&W Sigma 9mm.
#We talked to the guy at the range we shoot at and the guy told us they
#were Junk and alot of people have been having a Bad time with them he
#send to go with a Glock or H&K for him.
#
#And one know anything about or have a Sigma?
#
#What do you guys think?
When I went to the police academy everyone with a S&W Sigma (9mm's and .40's)
got the most practice with "tap, rack, and shoot." Every time there was a jam
on the line it was a Sigma. None of the Glocks, Sigs, or HK's had a problem.
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From: zmur...@aol.com (ZMURGIST)
Subject: Woodless M-1 Arrived
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
My woodless M-1 arrived last Thursday. Asked for an IHC and got one. I got a
substantially complete "gap letter" IHC that was in good condition. Nice LMR
barrel, but I'm not sure what the throat erosion is. The only part I need to
swap out is the hammer which was a "-8" Springfield. The rest of the rifle is
"as issued" according to Duffs books and I am pleased as punch. Another M-1
given a good home and a great buy for $275.
Steve
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From: Bob Ranck <B...@newsguy.com>
Subject: Re: Sealing Ammo
Organization: Extra Newsguy News Service [http://extra.newsguy.com]
Message-ID: <7jcpvb$1s...@edrn.newsguy.com>
References: <7jbadr$k0$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
Sure. It is done all the time. A number of different products have been used
with varying degrees of success. I have had some GI .45ACP that had the bullet
sealed with somt black gruck that was probably a bituminous compound. There is
a kind of balsam cement (that also has applications sealing lenses of optical
instruments together) used for bullet-to-case also. Red lacquer of some type
seems to be common in europe, as I have bought a number of different calibers,
both commercial and military, that seem to have a ring of it around the
primerand and at the bullet-case juncture, as well.
How well it works, as proof against oil or moisture, I can't say. But they use
it.
Bob
In article <7jbadr$k0$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>, mitte...@aol.com says...
> ...
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From: Crea...@webtv.net
Subject: Re: sks questions
Organization: WebTV Subscriber
References: <7j52mt$duh$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
the russians that have been sold here are much
better than most of the chinese imports. There is no comparison in
quality between any SKS
and a Bushmaster or Colt AR...you're comparing aYugo to a BMW. I have 2
SKS
rifles..a Chinese and a Ruskie. Both are not
very accurate with any surplus ammo I've tried
(maybe 4 inch at 50 yards) and they're not
100% reliable either. I also have 2 ARs...a
3rd is on the way. The two I have are both
Colts-one made in 1967 and the other in 1992.
Neither have ever malfunctioned in any way and the worst group at 100
yards I ever got
is about 2.5 inch....with the proper ammo,
both will shoot 1 inch to 1.5 inch at 100
Do whatever you have to do to get an AR now...while you still can....and
get all the mags you can afford, too. Clinton and the Republicrats have
to have total civilian disarmament before they can take federal control
of everything...with the news media's
almost 100% complicity they'll be trying to go
a long way toward that goal in the Congress in
the next two weeks.
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From: Crea...@webtv.net
Subject: Re: CMP sales : can I buy TWO Garands ??
Organization: WebTV Subscriber
References: <7jbb1p$qb$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
the only way you're going to get a valid answer
if to contact the CMP
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From: mlee3...@aol.com (MLee388407)
Subject: Re: .303 clip
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
References: <7jbc03$13b$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
Keith
Try Gun Parts Corporation, I got my Enfield accesories there.
Mike
rec.guns.
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From: "Bart Frechem" <bartf...@dplus.net>
Subject: Best powder measure
I'm fairly new to reloading, and I'm starting with an RCBS Rockchucker
outfit, with the Uniflow powder measure. Many of my loads are light
handgun loads for the .357 and .38 spl. With powders like Unique,
Titegroup, AA#2 and #9, Bullseye, etc., some of my loads are less than 4
grains, and the variation in the weights thrown by the powder measure are
relatively large for such small weights. I've added the Micrometer
adjustment to the Uniflow, but the variations are still more than I'm happy
with.
I know that some powders throw more consistently than others, eg. ball
powders.
But...given all of that...are there other powder measures that do a better
job with small charges?
What do folks feel is the "best" powder measure for a mixture of handgun
loads and small (.223) rifle loads?
Thansk, as always.
And, as always, please reply directly.
-Bart
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From: Crea...@webtv.net
Subject: Re: Breakfree CLP - How to use it?
Organization: WebTV Subscriber
References: <7ja0kv$pjl$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
That's basically it,clean it with CLP then wipe it on for a
lubricant/protectant. In the USMC we used to let it soak in 24=48 hours
when cleaning really dirty ARS
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From: Crea...@webtv.net
Subject: Re: Best source for AR15 Mags
Organization: WebTV Subscriber
References: <7j51jm$dkt$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
look at the Fulton Armory Site, under the AR15
FAQs there's a whole article about which AR mags to buy and which to
avoid
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From: Crea...@webtv.net
Subject: Re: would you carry into a state park?
Organization: WebTV Subscriber
References: <375d2d4f...@news.primenet.com>
It does make more sense to be tried by 12 than
carried by six
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From: Jeffrey Johnson <jm7...@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Is the 1911 delicate ?
Message-ID: <3759EEB9...@bellsouth.net>
References: <7jb9vc$es$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
The 1911 (by design) is nowhere near flimsy. It didnt last as the main sidearm
service weapon for the US as long as it did being flimsy. The mainspring in it is
no more prone to breakage than any other weapon. Personally I have never seen one
break or wear out that someone didnt screw with first. Good shooting.
REast52 wrote:
> ...
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From: m...@erols.com
Subject: Bayonet for 1966 Enfield 2A1 308
Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
Where can I find a bayonet for 1966 Enfield 2A1 308. Looking for fair to
good condition. It's the one thing I need to make it complete.
Thanks
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
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From: Crea...@webtv.net
Subject: Re: Reloading primer explosion
Organization: WebTV Subscriber
References: <7j65c1$h8b$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
I never have had one go off while reloading,but
an acquaintance did, he almost lost his thumb-
he was trying to take a live primer out of a primed case when it went
off.
respect primers...they are quite powerful
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From: Crea...@webtv.net
Subject: Re: Blocked Magazines
Organization: WebTV Subscriber
References: <7jbamf$ml$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
cut or bend a U-shaped piece of metal that will
fit in the mag box just high enough to block out
5 rounds.
Why would you want to do this? The mag won't
be any smaller?
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From: Crea...@webtv.net
Subject: Re: Gun buying etiquette.
Organization: WebTV Subscriber
References: <7j5129$dgk$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
don't pay anymore down than you have to.
that should give them an incentive to get your gun quicker.
With all the 1022Ts I've seen,you should be able to find one in stock
without ordering it
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From: "Conrad Meyer" <cadu...@home.com>
Subject: Dillon XL 650
Organization: @Home Network
I am in search of a Dillon XL 650 reloading press. I am looking for all the
accesories to it including, the case feeder, powder sensor, electronic
scale, and other accessories available. If anyone has one they wish to sell
please send me an email.
Sincerely
Conrad
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From: Bob Ranck <B...@newsguy.com>
Subject: Re: Hearing and home defense?
Organization: Extra Newsguy News Service [http://extra.newsguy.com]
References: <7ja2ha$q3f$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
I have fired my S&W M19, 2 1/2" .357, in the house, and it DID make a helluvva
roar. It was not enough to deafen anybody, bit it was significant. My ears did
ring.
When the kimchee hits the fan, I'd feel ok with .38, .357, .45ACP, 9mm - and
I'd worry about the ringing later.
As for muffs or earplugs, forget it. In a dark house, at 3 AM, you WANT to be
able to hear anything ( no, make that EVERYTHING ! ) - scuffling, footfall,
breathing, or the rattle of the silverware-drawer.
But that's just my personal opinion. If it cost me a ruptured eardrum to save
my wife's and my own lives, --- well, that's a ceap price, huh? And that is a
condition each one who endeavors to keep his own castle inviolate must answer
for himself.
Bob
In article <7ja2ha$q3f$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>, frank...@my-deja.com says...
#
#I noticed a post where a fellow said his relative shot a shotgun
#indoors and had major problems with his hearing.
#
#
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From: Pistoleer Pete <pist...@pistoleer.com>
Subject: Did John Wayne use a 44-40 or 38-40?
Organization: The Pistoleer
Did John Wayne use a 44-40 or 38-40?
I have been getting conflicting reports from
seemingly reliable sources. Does anyone
know of a definitive source regarding this
information? Are any of John Wayne's
sons monitoring this newsgroup that could
settle this--it is important to my wife that she
get a Winchester 92 with the same caliber
as John Wayne.
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From: Crea...@webtv.net
Subject: Re: how far out to sight in 2" barrel revolver?
Organization: WebTV Subscriber
References: <7j6515$h56$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
i'm not trying to be a smart-ass, but how are you going to sight-in this
little gun that has
fixed sights that are not adjustable?. This is
a self-defense gun that is made to shoot at
not more than 10 yards. If you shoot at someone more than 10 yards ago,
chances are you're going to be in big trouble when the cops
arrive. Every different load you shoot in any
gun will target differently. In general, heavy
bullets will hit higher than lighter bullets. Faster
bullets will hit lower than slower rounds.
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From: "orion" <or...@cdc.com>
Subject: Re: AR-7 feed problems
Organization: Control Data Systems Inc.
Message-ID: <7jcs8h$p6h$1...@ns1.cdc.com>
References: <7iot63$bpp$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu> <7j2gbp$6cd$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu> <7j3l49$bnc$1...@ns1.cdc.com> <7ja414$qg5$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
I guess I got lucky, had a gunsmith that works at the place I bought it,
do the work,He throated the barrel just a touch, and now it loads
everything, including CCi Stingers, just fine!
Orion
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From: "mIKE TUKKER" <mtu...@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Defense Backup (A Knife)
Organization: MindSpring Enterprises
Message-ID: <7jcsas$6kt$1...@nntp1.atl.mindspring.net>
References: <7ja3jd$qc6$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
David,
I don't know how common it is but I've been doing it for years. I hope to
never need a knife or a gun for self defense but better safe than sorry and
anyway....have you ever thought to youself...."damn...good thing I don't
have a knife??"
As to the school...I can't recomend any...I got some basics from a local
martial arts instructor (I don't know if it was "good" or not but it did
increase my confidence in my abilities a little.
Just my 2 cents wort.
Mike
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From: "glock" <gl...@hyperaction.net>
Subject: Re: .45 ACP Carbine...is there such an animal?
Organization: Newscene Public Access Usenet News Service (http://www.newscene.com/)
Message-ID: <uFm63.9700$OL.3...@newscene.newscene.com>
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I saw an Olympic Arms AR-15 type rifle once. Pretty neat...totally
Pre-Ban(read enormous birdcage flash hider) Also, I see .45 ACP uppers in
gun list for AR-15's from time to time
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From: Crea...@webtv.net
Subject: Re: .45 ACP Carbine...is there such an animal?
Organization: WebTV Subscriber
References: <7j64kq$h1c$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
Marlin camp carbine is made in 45 ACP,
I believe
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From: "pyr" <p...@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Beretta Bobcat Question
Organization: MindSpring Enterprises
Message-ID: <7jct5g$rlv$1...@nntp8.atl.mindspring.net>
References: <7jbac3$jh$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
I bought mine from Midway for 11.99 each. You might check their web site at
www.midwayusa.com
Jim
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From: Dave <dav...@home.com>
Subject: FS: 870 High vis follower and spring
Organization: @Home Network
Scattergun technology yellow high visibility follower and extended
magazine spring. $15. New in box.
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From: Crea...@webtv.net
Subject: Re: Goin on a trip
Organization: WebTV Subscriber
References: <7j580d$f0o$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
Since you live in the People's Republic of
NJ, you should already know about anti-gun police.
A wise man once said: "It's better to be tried by
12 than carried by 6."
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From: kma...@charm.net (Ken Marsh)
Subject: Re: Ultra-accuracy without reloading
Organization: Charm Net, Inc.
References: <7i6kdu$78a$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
In article <7i6kdu$78a$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>,
Barry Thompson <barr...@prairie.lakes.com> wrote:
#Are there any tricks to using factory ammo in a heavy barreled varmint
#rifle to get the most accuracy possible? I sold my press and dies 10 years
#ago but I'm thinking of spending some serious money for a new rifle/scope
#combination. Does the BOSS system live up to the hype? Are any factory
#loads inherently more accurate than others?
I don't really know of any other ideas other than making sure that
your rifle is fully set up, that is, properly bedded inside, crown
in good condition, etc. You will have to spend a lot of money
on a lot of different loads to try them out for accuracy.
#I'm thinking about a 25-06 for coyotes, fox and antelope. Anybody have a
#better idea? Thanks in advance,
Sounds like a fine choice. None are high volume shooting, and you should
be able to make any shot you like at some pretty distant ranges.
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From: gt6...@cad.gatech.edu (Lone_Wolf)
Subject: Re: Looking for a shooting jacket
Organization: Georgia Tech ECS
Message-ID: <7jctt4$mbv$1...@ubu.cad.gatech.edu>
References: <7ja3ae$q9m$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu> <7jbboa$111$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
In <7jbboa$111$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu> sqze...@aol.com (Sqzeplay9) writes:
#Ditto here. I'd like to find one, too.
#-Army guy.
www.creedmoorsports.com
www.championshooters.com
www.okweber.com
All three carry shooting coats for highpower rifle competition.
James
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From: "P Roop" <pwr...@inetone.net>
Subject: WTS -- 10X Leather Shooting Jacket
Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc.
I have an all black leather shooting jacket, size 40 Regular, that was worn
for 2 seasons to Quantico and Perry in the early 1980's with the cinch
straps. It is in very good shape having been stored for the last 15 years
or so. Paid over $200, will take $100 with buyer to pay shipping, whatever
that amounts to.
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From: "Che'Gu Maru" <chgu...@hal-pc.org>
Subject: Re: Taurus...How good is the PT series?
Organization: Houston Area League of PC Users, Inc.
References: <7ja1c5$ppl$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu> <3759065...@news.edge.net>
I used to have a Ruger P89 in stainless. It was absolutely reliable,
extremely accurate when fired from a bench rest -- and I couldn't
consistently hit worth a damn with it because of its exceedingly long
trigger pull.
My Taurus PT-99 has a far better trigger. Even if I fire every round
double-action, I can get a far better group at 50 feet than I ever could
with the Ruger. On the other hand, the Ruger never jammed or stovepiped
once in about 1000 rounds. The Taurus has been absolutely reliable with
most ammo, but did stovepipe regularly with Sellior and Belloit.
Furthermore, the Ruger never needed any service at all, whereas the Taurus
had to be sent in for a weak slide-stop spring at about 1000 rounds, and a
loose rear sight at about 2500. (On the other hand, the Ruger had a fixed
rear sight compared to the PT-99's adjustable sight.)
If you don't have the trigger control problems I have due to a smashed
right forefinger, you can't really go wrong with the Ruger. If, on the
other hand, you want the most gun for the least money, take a good look at
Taurus. (And unlike others on here, I haven't had any problems with their
warranty service)
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From: silve...@webtv.net (MAC)
Subject: FS Armalite AR-10 waffle mags
Organization: WebTV Subscriber
Armalite AR-10 20rnd waffle mags, have 8 @ $80.00 each.
Have other original Armalite items FS (AR-18/180,AR-7,AR-17,Prototype;no
other AR-10 items, just the mags)
Also have very rare early Armalite/Colt AR-15 Items
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From: kma...@charm.net (Ken Marsh)
Subject: Re: Ultra-accuracy without reloading
Organization: Charm Net, Inc.
References: <7i6kdu$78a$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu> <7ibmma$psd$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
Hi,
#In article <7i6kdu$78a$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>,
# The latest Am. Rifleman has an article on accurate ammo (mainly match ammo
#I think). I believe the article implied (don't quote me) that the average
#handloader is wasting their time and money, given the high level of
#consistence in modern ammo. Personally, I do *NOT* want to hear this (having
#spent an embarrasing amount of real money on various handloading
#thing-a-ma-jig-lettes, doo-hicknoids, and flang-o-matics)
It doesn't worry me a bit. First of all, the most accurate factory
ammo in your rifle may be the most inappropriate for the kind of use
you want- match ammo for deer hunting, or heavy deer loads for varmiting,
etc.
Secondly, while the inital investment is high, ongoing expenses are
really low. One can try out hundreds of different loads and dozens of
different bullets for the price of 5 boxes of premium ammo ('cause,
don't ya know, all handloaded ammo is premium ammo).
If one shoots multiple cartridges in one caliber the savings are
multiplied. For example look let's look at 224" cartridges like
..222/.223/.22-250. Spending $12 on a box of bullets means that I can try
it out on 3 different rifles 33 times each for the cost of about $5 or
$6 in powder and primers. Of those 33 times I can load four each of 8
different loads and then have an excellent idea of what each gun shoots
best.
Or, I can spend the same $18 on a box of premium .22-250 ammo and try it
out for 20 shots in only one rifle. If it doesn't shoot well... oh well.
Let's check the score for <$20 ammo check-out:
1. Factory ammo: 5 groups of one load in one rifle.
2. Handloading: 25 different groups out of two, three or four rifles.
Winner: handloading.
The comment from the writer simply meant that that month, more
advertising money was coming in from ammo manufacturers than from
reloading manufacturers. It also assumes that a competition shooter
shooting over 1,000 rounds of certerfire rifle a year has the ammo
sponsor paying for all that expensive ammo.
Ken.
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From: tiv...@aol.com (Tivers)
Subject: Re: Sig P-229
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
References: <7ja3f6$qb5$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
#I am interested in purchasing a SIG P-229 compact. I am looking at one
#currently that sells for $19.99. Is that a good deal can anyone tell me?
Nope. You can get them any day of the week for $15.
ti
Tom Ivers
President: Equine Racing Systems, Inc.
http://www.equineracing.com
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From: "P Roop" <pwr...@inetone.net>
Subject: Re: 380 Opinions?
Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc.
Message-ID: <92864477...@news.remarQ.com>
References: <7ja138$pnh$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu> <7jbb25$qg$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
Think about the new titanium Smith & Wesson J Frame and the Taurus 85. They
both are EXTREMELY light for comfortable carry, +P rated for .38 Special,
pack more wallop than a .380, and, if hammerless, are easier to draw from
concealment. More importantly, they are idiot proof.
Just a thought.
/s/ Paul
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From: "P Roop" <pwr...@inetone.net>
Subject: Re: Kimber Alloy Compact vs Colt Defender
Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc.
Message-ID: <92864488...@news.remarQ.com>
References: <7ja1pb$ptc$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu> <7jbav9$pf$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
Ditto on the Kimber quality. I love mine and have an Ultra-Carry on order.
The Ultra is no bigger than a Defender either, I think.
Paul
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From: Josh Denny <jde...@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Gun shows in MD?
Message-ID: <3759FF...@erols.com>
References: <7ja0e5$phu$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
June 12 & 13 there is a show, I believe at the Agricultural Center. If
you want more nfo let me know & I will grab a flyer next time I'm at the
range.
Obcamp Lance wrote:
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From: scott...@webtv.net (Scott Worne)
Subject: Re: Gun safes
Organization: WebTV Subscriber
References: <3758D73E...@hawaii.rr.com>
Liberty,National Security and Fort Knox are the best safes made.Liberty
& Fort Knox have the hinges inside of the safe which takes away a little
room and compromises the fire protection slightly.I like the look of the
hinges on the outside myself,so I bought a National Security.It doesn't
make it any easier to break into,because even if a criminal got the
hinges off,the bolts will still hold the door on.
By the way-National & Liberty are the same company and have great
customer service!
"The Right to Keep and Bear
Arms shall not be infringed"
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From: mjwa...@aol.com (MJWaldyke)
Subject: Re: Is the 1911 delicate ?
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
References: <7jb9vc$es$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
Well, the U.S. military had it as the standard-issue sidearm for 80 years or
so. I don't think a "delicate" gun would get that honor. Between 1873 and
1911, there were several changes in military-issue sidearms, for various
reasons. From 1911 until relatively recently, they saw no compelling reason to
change, even through several major wars.
My own, much more limited experience, also indicates that the 1911 design is by
no means delicate.
Mike W.
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From: bjam...@aol.com (BJamesjr)
Subject: Re: Loading 45 LC with black powder?
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
References: <7ja4oa$qm2$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
#I've been thinking of reloading ammo for my SAA replica with black
#powder.
Check John Taffin's article in the latest American Handgunner magazine. Or
better, buy his book.
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From: scott...@webtv.net (Scott Worne)
Subject: Re: HELP! S&W Sigma JUNK ?????????????????
Organization: WebTV Subscriber
References: <7jbbl8$103$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
A friend at my work bought one and hated it,so he sold it and got a
Glock. I tried one myself and bought a Glock 27 & an HK USP .40........
"The Right to Keep and Bear
Arms shall not be infringed"
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From: mjwa...@aol.com (MJWaldyke)
Subject: Re: Loading 45 LC with black powder?
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
References: <7ja4oa$qm2$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
I have no experience with .45 LC, but I shoot Black Powder Cartridge Metallic
Silhouette with a .45-70 High Wall. I am not surprised that 40 gr of black
power fills the case almost to the brim. You should try dropping the powder
through a drop tube (18" or more) into the case, and you would find that it
compacts significantly.
You do want to compress the powder slightly when you seat the bullet. I
compress the powder charge by .015-.040" in .45-70. You want to be sure that
the powder does not settle out and leave air space in the case. This can have
the same consequences as it can in a muzzle loader. On the other hand, you
don't want to get carried away. You are likely to distort the bullet on
seating (by the way, use soft lead, and a lube such as SPG with black powder).
If you really get carried away, you start to fracture powder grains and get
non-uniform burning properties.
I recommend getting a loading manual specifically for loading black powder
cartridges, such as the one written by Mike Venturino and Steve Garbe, and
published by SPG. I also recommend trying it. It's a lot of fun, and very
different from the smokeless loads we're used to.
Mike W.
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From: mjwa...@aol.com (MJWaldyke)
Subject: Re: Opinions please on 10-22 hammer and sears
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References: <7ja2ij$q3o$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
I have a Volquartsen hammer in my 10/22, and a Volquartsen sear in my 77/22. I
have had outstanding results with both. I recommend them without reservation,
except you have to go slow and pay attention when installing them (or have a
gunsmith do it for you). I don't have personal experience with the Power
target hammer and sear. I expect a trigger with overtravel adjustement would
make them even nicer, but I haven't tried that either.
Hope this helps.
Mike W.
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From: azot...@aol.com (AzothothX)
Subject: Re: DSA58 carb. or standard?
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
References: <7jb9sq$dq$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
Depends on your personal tastes probably more than anything else. just
remember that with the carbine, you're gonna lose about 150-200 fps in muzzle
velocity and your groups are probably gonna open up by about 1"-.5" more than
with the standard, thanks to the shorter barrel. Personally, I think its a
good tradeoff for the decrease in length-- the FAL in standard form is LONG.
IMHO, the carbine's shorter length makes it a more practical weapon, tactically
speaking.
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From: greg...@aol.com (GregMcC26)
Subject: Re: Is the 1911 delicate ?
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
References: <7jb9vc$es$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
#From: rea...@aol.com (REast52)
#I keep hearing that the 1911 is a delicate design prone to breakage because
#of
#the large flat spring that its trigger, grip safety and disconnector use. Is
#this true?
#
Yes, if you have a 1911 whatever you do don't shoot it - immediately contact me
and I will free of charge take it off your hands - as legally arranged through
ffl dealers.
No, I never heard of the 1911 being described as a delicate design.
"where the spirit of the Lord is there is liberty"
"all men are ... endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, ...
among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."
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From: "ak_lynks" <AK_L...@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: how far out to sight in 2" barrel revolver?
References: <7j6515$h56$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu> <7ja4f0$qjs$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
Plus P Inc <plus...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:7ja4f0$qjs$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu...
# 90% or more of shootings are at 21 feet or LESS, most under 10 feet.
Sighting
# in is hardly a realistic consideration. You won't be shooting like in a
movie
# etc. As for effective range we routinely fire two inche .38 specials out
to
# 100 yards. Off hand you can hit 75% of the time at a human size target.
Few
# ever try it or have actual experience. If you check the ammunition
# manufacturers web pages or catalogues you'll find the slug loses little
# velocity and only drops a few inches.
# The ONLY reason we do it is to show the capability of the gun and shooter
at an
# extreme.
# With non-adjustable sights you are at the mercy of the ammunition. Each
load
# will shoot to its own point of aim. Higher velocity shoots LOWER. Each
brand
# or load will have it's own point of impact.
# For self-defense purposes you need ONLY worry about 21 feet or less and in
real
# shootings you are NOT going to look at the sights...besides 85% or more
are in
What you say is correct for most situations. In addition I was concerned
about the scenario where another person is being threatened or one of these
indiscriminate "shoot everyone" scenes. In such a situation the perp would
be unaware of me at first and I could take a controlled shot with sights,
both hands, and steadying on something. Here in Alaska we are not allowed
to threaten harm like"stop or I'll shoot", "drop it", etc. We are only
allowed to shoot to defend life. I know this is pretty unlikely, but I'm a
gun nut so I will prepare for it and enjoy doing so ;>)
Jim Lynk
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From: azot...@aol.com (AzothothX)
Subject: Re: Is the 1911 delicate ?
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
References: <7jb9vc$es$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
Buddy, you could drive a truck over one and it would still work. Where did you
hear that from?
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From: sail...@my-deja.com
Subject: Re: Beretta 92FS vs. H&K USP 9mm vs Glock 9 mm
Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
References: <7ja2dt$q2c$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
mni676 wrote:
I'm am in the market for a new 9mm and have finally narrowed it down
to 3 choices.
1. Glock 34 (i think)--it's the one that's there newest 9mm w/ the 6
inch barrell
2. Beretta 92FS
3. H&K USP 9 mm
I like the feel of all three guns and was wanting comments from owners
of these guns as to their accuracy, reliability, etc. as well as any
quirks that these models might have. The gun will be used for home
defense, and for target practice at the gun range. Thanks in advance.
*** Recently the Indiana State Police bought new Berreta's for their
police force. They tested the gun for accuracy and in my opinion,
there accuracy was poor. They averaged about 3" groups, some larger
although the kept the guns.
Glocks are good guns also, however, I do not like there DAO trigger
variant because they tend to have a long trigger pull and unless you
change the trigger spring, you will also experience up to 11 lbs of
pressure to fire the gun. This will not help with accuracy and it
takes some time to get used to.
The HK USP is perhaps the finest semi-auto available and many
military\police organizations in the US and Europe have adopted it
because of HK's quality, reliability and accuracy. Try visiting the
website below and see why this gun is so good.
http://www.streetpro.com/usp/index.html
John and Victoria
NRA\TCSA Members
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From: ak_lynks <AK_L...@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: how far out to sight in 2" barrel revolver?
References: <7j6515$h56$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu> <7ja4mc$qli$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
# attempting to zero a 2 inch snubbie. Does your gun have aftermarket
# adjustable sights? On my 442, a grove on the topstrap is the rear sight.
#
I am going to take advice about what yardage to zero, then shoot at that
distance with the +P I will carry. Then I will ship it back to S&W and say
"please adjust sights up x inches". They can put in different size front
sights to get close and then maybe grind it down. I know I can't adjust
left to right but out of the box the pistol is off the target at 12 yards-
no fun to practice.
Jim Lynk
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From: super...@aol.com (Superposed)
Subject: Re: Worth applying for CCW in Maryland?
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
References: <7jbbjv$vn$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
I am a VA resident and feel fortunate that it was a breeze here, just paperwork
and a few formalities. It sounds like you could have a legit. reason to get a
carry permit even in Gendennistad.
If for no other reason, all gun owners should apply and get (where possible) a
CC license, there is no better way to support the legislative mechanism than to
USE it.
Take care and good luck. Be sure to post your results.
Joseph
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From: Tom Nieland <tnie...@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: AMT 9mm ON-DUTY
Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services
I need to get a replacement mag for this does anybody
know who would have this. or could I use a mag from
another make-model?
Thanks in advance
Tom Nieland
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From: sail...@my-deja.com
Subject: Re: H&K USP Opinion
Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
References: <7iot1p$bnd$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu> <7j2ecb$5to$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu> <7j55ej$eg3$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu> <37582fc5...@news.vivid.net>
interested wrote:
Well, I've got quite a few 1911's so I'm not totally ignorant of how
to handle a firearm. After saying that, I bought a H&K USP in 40 cal.
While familiarizing myself with the gun, the bottom of the clip fell
out. I assumed it was something I had done (it comes apart easily)
now I'm wondering..........I haven't fired the gun, and only bought it
cause the price was right. But I'd be very interested in hearing if
anyone else has had this problem.
*** The problem you experienced was caused by the magazine not being
full seated. As you already know it has a ambidextrous magazine
release and there is a spring loaded cam lever tab inside the guns
grip. Remove the magazine and you will see this lever tab, when
actuated it rotates forward towards the trigger, this will release the
magazine. When you insert the magazine try tapping on magazine to seat
it into position, then pull on it to see if it disengages. If it
disengages and comes out, look at the magazine, on the front side,
there is a notch located about 1" down from the top. Check this notch
to determine if there are any marks that may suggest it has not seated
properly. Also, look at this cam lever to determine if it is bent or
otherwise not protruding into the magazine well, this will indicate if
it is actually seating into the magazine notch as it should. I hope
this helps, please let me know how this works.
John and Victoria
NRA\TCSA Members
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From: scott...@webtv.net (Scott Worne)
Subject: Re: CCH for Fat Guys Suggestions?
Organization: WebTV Subscriber
References: <7j5159$dhe$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
I meant that the "Confidant Shirt Holster" has two holsters,ONE under
each armpit.Sorry.
"The Right to Keep and Bear
Arms shall not be infringed"
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From: scott...@webtv.net (Scott Worne)
Subject: Re: Ruger Mini-14 and accuracy
Organization: WebTV Subscriber
References: <7ja31k$q7d$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
#And while your "rolling on the floor" see if you can scrape up enough
change to be able to afford a 'real' computer, Mister Web TV! KM#
I HAVE a real computer AND Webtv and my real 'puter is obsolete already
after only a year and my Webtv is a hell of alot easier to use on the
net then my damn computer is! Since I don't have to shell out any more
$$ for a new 'puter or upgrade since Webtv receives free upgrades
often,I can afford quality firearms like my AR-15 which will outshoot
any Mini-14 anyway!
"The Right to Keep and Bear
Arms shall not be infringed"
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From: Louis Boyd <bo...@pegasus.la.asu.edu>
Subject: Re: Movie Gun in "Sniper"
Organization: Fairborn Observatory
References: <7jbaj4$lp$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
James Klutts wrote:
#
# Can anyone identify the bolt action rifle that Tom Berringer used in the
# movie, Sniper?
The rifle is built on a Remington 700 short action. Cartridges shown
were 7.62 NATO. That plus the heavy barrel would probably make it a
Marine Corps M40A2 or a reasonable facsimile. The scope appeared to be
a Luepold Mk4 M3. Neither were shown very clearly in the movie. The
reticles shown as Berringer looks through the scope are custom made by
Hollywood. i.e. total BS.
--
Lou Boyd
FCSA-GOA-NRA-JPFO
Article II: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of
a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not
be infringed.
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From: mhan...@icaen.uiowa.edu (Mike Hanford)
Subject: Conversion kit for Beretta 92fs (to .22ca)
Organization: Iowa Computer Aided Engineering Network, University of Iowa
Maybe a month ago someone posted a glowing review of a conversion kit
that converts the 92FS into a .22ca. I tried to reply directly to him,
but my emails kept bouncing. Could someone else point me in the direction
of this gem?
Thanks a lot,
Mike
mhan...@icaen.uiowa.edu
--
Michael J. Hanford mhan...@icaen.uiowa.edu
PhD student
Department of Chemical and Biochemical Engineering, University of Iowa
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From: bla...@newsguy.com (Blackey)
Subject: Stoner SR15 M4 .223 carbine, feedback?
Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com
Greetings Group,
I am considering acquiring an AR type rifle and have been looking at
the Stoner SR15 M4 .223 carbine. Any feedback from the field on the
Stoner vs Colt, bushmaster?
Plaese advise,
Arthur West
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From: Michael Justice <lib...@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: Lee Load-All
Organization: Libertarian Party, 1-800-682-1776 (membership line)
In article <7ja3e8$qas$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu> you write:
#Where can I find one in 12ga reasonably priced on the net? I have owned a 16ga
#model for years and never had a problem with it. That is why I am interested
#in another one.
Why does it have to be "on the net"???
Try Midway, 1-800-243-3220 (if I remember correctly). They were always quite
reasonable when I was buying from them, although it's been several years. I
don't know if they have a web presence or not, but you won't get a valuable
Internet-enabled loader even if you do a cyberpurchase. :-)
-- Michael.
--
Michael A. Justice |"There was nothing like getting up at three in the morning
lib...@eskimo.com | and riding the defensive perimeter in subzero cold, with
Libertarian Party | a loaded rifle, to build up one's sense of responsibility
FIJA, WCW, NRA, AMA| and community." -- _The_Diamond_Age_, by Neal Stephenson
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From: plus...@aol.com (Plus P Inc)
Subject: Re: Is the 1911 delicate ?
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
References: <7jb9vc$es$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
the 1911 is as rugged as they get and you can fix 90% of any problems yourself.
parts are also cheap. can't beat that combo.
Plus...@aol.com
www.plusp.com
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From: "Peter" <pev...@village.uunet.be>
Subject: Re: M9 vs. .45
Organization: UUNET Benelux (post does not reflect views of UUNET Benelux)
References: <7ja1j4$prs$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu> <7jbbrl$11s$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
Given the fact that different loads and bullet constructions of the SAME
calibre can differ day and night, I find this simple comparison between
calibres meaningless....
Peter
JuliStev heeft geschreven in bericht <7jbbrl$11s$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>...
#I find it strange that the FBI research in the wake of the Miami shootings
#determined that penetration was extremely important and faulted the 9mm for
a
#lack thereof, I believe the determination was that a cross-section of .40
#minimum was preferred.
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From: plus...@aol.com (Plus P Inc)
Subject: Re: Hearing and home defense?
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
References: <7ja2ha$q3f$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
Any studies or suggestions on the best home defense gun based
on the noise and punch tradeoff?
Frank
#>>>>>>>>>>
Here is the FACTS. First of all your hearing shuts off when you are afraid. It
is called "auditory exclusion." I've been in a room w here six .357's were
fired. My ears hurt AFTER the fact and rang for several days as did the other
officers. However it did not do (that we can prove) long term or immediate
damage. Unless the gun is CLOSE to the ear it won't, but will paralyze the
occili fiber causing an effect like putting your fingers in your ears.
With a shotgun and some other guns if in the right position they can do actual
damage to the ear drum or other physical damage. That can happen and shooters
never think about it because it doesn't happen in movies.
Dean Grennell the noted gun writer and many others that have shot for decades
wear one or more hearing aids from damage done over the years in their later
years. You can do damage in your teens that will show up in later years.
Anytime you can you have to use ear protection. Fastest way may be to just
stick a bullet in each ear (in a pinch it will do) or even a cigarette filter
or tissue. Anything to stop the violent air movement from entering the ears.
Even some of the ear protection in the market place now does not do an adequate
job of keeping out damaging noise. Contact any of the firms selling ear
protection and they can provide valuable information on this.
Plus...@aol.com
www.plusp.com
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From: "Peter" <pev...@village.uunet.be>
Subject: Re: Bullett collectors. help please
Organization: UUNET Benelux (post does not reflect views of UUNET Benelux)
References: <7jbbcd$tc$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
I'm afraid it would be very illegal to send ammunition to Australia John,
Peter
John Curry heeft geschreven in bericht <7jbbcd$tc$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>...
#Hi all.
#I'm new to this N/G
#I live on Australia and I have a friend who collects Bullets. He's has
#snip
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From: "Christopher Jewels" <dril...@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: S&W Mountain Guns
Organization: MindSpring Enterprises
Message-ID: <7jd8lf$6a3$1...@nntp1.atl.mindspring.net>
References: <7jbbu2$12n$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
el zero wrote in message <7jbbu2$12n$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>...
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I have no experience with the calibers you mentioned, but I do own a 44Mag
Mountain gun. I am extremely pleased with it. It's very accurate, and
pleasant to carry, for a 44. Some articles I have read warn of ferocious
recoil, but I have not found this to be true. I e-mailed S&W to see if they
would resume production; their reply was that they had noplans to do so in
the near future, their production being aimed at the 357 and 45Colt.
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From: Michael Justice <lib...@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: Goin on a trip
Organization: Libertarian Party, 1-800-682-1776 (membership line)
References: <7j580d$f0o$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
It would help if you told people approximately where you are going.
For instance, if you are going to be driving through DC, NY, or MA,
just plain don't go -- take your trip somewhere else.
Massachusetts: possession of an unlicensed handgun gets you a year in jail.
New York state: possession of an unlicensed handgun gets you a year in jail.
Wash.D.C.: FORGET IT.
Illinois: avoid Chicago at all costs; outside there, as long as you
follow the "locked in a case and kept unloaded" rule, you
will PROBABLY be ok -- but no guarantees on it.
I'd put in a warning about New Jersey as well, but since you're from there,
you probably already know the drill. . . . Besides, with an in-state permit,
the cops are less likely to confiscate your gun.
Hope you have a safe and enjoyable trip,
-- Michael.
--
Michael A. Justice |"There was nothing like getting up at three in the morning
lib...@eskimo.com | and riding the defensive perimeter in subzero cold, with
Libertarian Party | a loaded rifle, to build up one's sense of responsibility
FIJA, WCW, NRA, AMA| and community." -- _The_Diamond_Age_, by Neal Stephenson
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From: d3r...@aol.com (D3R3B3)
Subject: Re: 357 Mag.-Question
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
References: <7ja1vt$pv0$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
#I am thinking of purchasing a Taurus Model 66 .357 mag. Anyone have any
#advice or problems with this gun? He is selling it for $300.00 nib.
I have one --use it as one of my CCW carry guns, like it very much--talked my
neighbor into buying one --he likes his too.
Shoots light 38s (158gr wi #231 powder loads)
very well- shoots 158gr(xxxxgr of 2400 well)
. I have "Hogue" rubber grips on mine and like the way it points and shoots.
I think I paid$
$ 255 a few( 5-6) years back so your price seems about in the ball park,
It is a direct copy (except for the hammer) of a S&W M-19 or M-66(same
thing in Stainless Steel) that was supposed to be made on old S& W machiens but
down in Brazil.
Gun is still made --called the "966" I think, different parent Co Took over
Tarus a few years back I believe.
Tarus made guns for use in the interior of Brazil--good proven types that
last and are tough guns.
Like I say I like the gun--although mostly I carry a Browning Hi-Power
cause I like the flat configuration of the smi-auto on my side.
Buy the gun and treat it well and you can pass it on to your kid.
Shoot Safe Don
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From: Doug Owen <dko...@home.com>
Subject: Re: SKS Rifle
Organization: @Home Network
References: <7j51b2$diq$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
Bill wrote:
#
# Would like to hear from anybody who has had any experiences (good or
# bad) with adding aftermarket accessories to an original Chinese SKS
# rifle. i.e. stocks, scopes, detachable mags and the likes.
Like the friend of another poster, I've put the 'Dargonov' stock on
mine, although I don't seem to have the 'hump' he talked about. The fit
was excellent with very minor fiddling, very tight yet strips down
easily enough.
Sights are another matter. The Williams peep, while a big improvement
is way too far forward. I bought a rear sight for the Springfield
(03A3) at a gunshow for $15. It fits in a dovetail that was very easy
to cut in the back top surface of the cover (just where it should be).
File a flat, hog a bit out with a hacksaw to make it easy, and file it
to final shape. The metal in the cover is quite soft. Once zero is
established (so windage will have the same travel left and right) I soft
soldered it on, epoxy would have done just as well.
Now I have a proper peep, in the right place. Nice sight, comes
complete with 'wings' to protect in. Real live milspec stuff.
Doug Owen
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From: "Victor - www.3dman.com" <cyb...@cyberverse.com>
Subject: Re: HELP! S&W Sigma JUNK ?????????????????
Organization: Cyberverse, Inc.
References: <7ja3nf$qd1$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu> <7jbb9b$sf$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
Everyone's got an opinion. Mine is Sigma positive. I have a SW9VE and
after 800 rounds not a single problem. It fits great, shoots great and
breaks-down quickly for field cleaning. Very accurate in my hands as
well.
I break my guns in properly, keep it lubed and shoot decent ammo and you
should have no problems.
You should try one out at the range for yourself.
Vic
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From: Mike <cong...@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Concealed Carry use?
Message-ID: <fCq63.563$A4....@news1.iquest.net>
References: <7jb9vp$f0$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
> ...
I use both styles depending on the situation...
The pancake or belt slide is much more comfortable.
The IWB is more concealable.
One work-around:
Look at a holster which may be carried on the belt or IWB (a "belt clip"
design).
Actually, this work-around has it's limits... the belt slide/pancake rides
higher by an inch or more.
As a holster dealer, I am able to pick what is most suitable for how I feel
today.
Suggestion: Consider buying both... you don't have to spend an arm and a leg
for good nylon holsters.
Checkout: www.planetpurchase.com/Ambi
congamike
Thomas <repeal...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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From: Mike <cong...@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Glock 27 Round
Message-ID: <YNq63.565$A4....@news1.iquest.net>
References: <7ja26r$q0p$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu> <7jbblj$106$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
> ...
I carried in a Galco deep cover every day for about 6 months... finally gave
it up. The leather sticks to the slide. I end up drawing the gun and holster
from my pants... Then the holster hooks onto the belt and leaves me
evectively handcuffed by my own safety equipment. Now I use nylon. I like it
so much I became a dealer!
congamike
www.planetpurchase.com/Ambi
REast52 <rea...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> ...
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From: Carl Fickling <cop...@fickling.net>
Subject: Re: Garand date?
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.990606...@shell5.ba.best.com>
References: <7j51c8$dj3$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu> <7j8irp$s15$1...@usenet41.supernews.com>
I believe the serial in the data sheets is the LAST serial number for that
period. So 5335XXX would have been made somtime in 05/54.
On 5 Jun 1999, Lanthir wrote:
> ...
Carl Fickling, in Union City, CA.
http://www.fickling.net for the Bent-wing hangar (Corsairs are more fun)
for fun (ca...@fickling.net): or for work (ca...@qantel.com)
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From: "Mike" <cong...@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Glock G36
Message-ID: <NXq63.566$A4....@news1.iquest.net>
References: <7jbbjk$vk$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
> ...
if it's actually out and available for
> ...
See August '99 Combat Handguns magazine for a review.
congamike
See my budding young holster store at: www.planetpurchase.com/Ambi
Chris757 <paink...@fuse.net> wrote in message
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From: "Peter" <pev...@village.uunet.be>
Subject: Re: Ruger 10/22 for home defense?
Organization: UUNET Benelux (post does not reflect views of UUNET Benelux)
References: <7iotup$cbj$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu> <7iq4c9$f6n$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu> <7irggv$htp$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu> <7j2bch$572$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu> <37554454...@foothill.net> <7ja3gt$qbk$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
I think that 10 rimfire rounds in the thorax would do the trick...
Peter
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From: "Mike" <cong...@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Glock 34 Holster Recommend?
Message-ID: <aar63.567$A4....@news1.iquest.net>
References: <7jbbsd$122$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
> ...
on my left side that holds
> ...
I don't know of anything that will cant like that except a paddle holster.
If it does, it will HAVE TO stick out further, making it harder to conceal.
Caution: Make sure you try to conceal a paddle type before you buy it. I
bought one from a major manufacturer. The darn thing sticks out so far it
is laughable. Very comfortable though!
I suggest the following while driving:
1. "Guatemala carry". Sandwich the pistol between your leg and the seat.
2. Shoulder Holster
3. Ankle Holster on the left leg.
congamike
See my budding young holster store at: www.planetpurchase.com/Ambi
Dave Johnson <cgwr...@netins.net> wrote in message
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From: "Peter" <pev...@village.uunet.be>
Subject: Re: shotgun pistol grip vs stock
Organization: UUNET Benelux (post does not reflect views of UUNET Benelux)
References: <7iaa5g$k04$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu> <7j2anm$50i$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu> <7j560o$1p...@enews3.newsguy.com> <7ja36p$q8l$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu> <7japdp$2d...@enews1.newsguy.com>
Broke his arm???This person should have had some bone weakening disease
perhaps?
I am a rather small guy and I shot some 00 buck and Brenneke slugs with a
pistol gripped shotgun...
While inaccurate and rather uncomfortable, I didn't perceive the recoil as
possibly "bone breaking"
Peter
SPECOPS heeft geschreven in bericht <7japdp$2d...@enews1.newsguy.com>...
#No,there's a hell of alot of more muscle and meat in the shoulder (where a
#shotgun was made to be fired from) than in your wrist, it doesn't work like
#in the movies. I watched a big dude take his 12 out with 00 in it with a
#pistol grip and proceed to trombone it movie style, the second shot broke
#his arm
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From: sy...@oldguns.com
Subject: Gun Collector's Listservers
If you are interested in old guns, feel free to join one or more of the
listservers at oldguns.com.
Just send an E-Mail with the topic SUBSCRIBE in the topic line (not the
message body)to the listserver(s) of your choice:
OldR...@OldGuns.Com
OldPi...@OldGuns.com
OldSh...@OldGuns.com
or
Old...@OldGuns.Com (Winchester Collectors)
OldC...@OldGuns.Com (Colt Collectors)
Black...@OldGuns.Com (Black Powder Shooting)
Shortly after you send your SUBSCRIBE message, you will receive a
confirming E-Mail. Just reply to that message and introduce yourself.
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From: "Peter" <pev...@village.uunet.be>
Subject: Re: DSA58 carb. or standard?
Organization: UUNET Benelux (post does not reflect views of UUNET Benelux)
Message-ID: <7jdfhe$qf1$1...@xenon.inbe.net>
References: <7jb9sq$dq$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
A short barrel FAL is the way to go, you won't lose any practical
accuracy...and louder? Maybe...
Peter
Glk23ns heeft geschreven in bericht <7jb9sq$dq$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>...
> ...
lbs
> ...
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From: gmz...@aol.com (GMZIMM)
Subject: Re: .303 clip
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
References: <7jbc03$13b$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
#Does anyone know where I can order enfield .303 clips?
I got mine from Gun Parts Corp.
-Zimmy
GMZ...@aol.com
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From: gmz...@aol.com (GMZIMM)
Subject: Re: 7mm-08 How does it Kick?
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
References: <7jbaeh$k6$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
I haven't fired the 7mm-08, but i can say that the .243 Win (same case) with a
100 gr bullet kicks almost identical to the .308 with 150 gr bullets. I'd be
willing to bet money that you can't tell the difference in recoil between a
7mm-08 with a 140 gr bullet and a .308 with a 150 gr bullet. However, the .308
with heavier 180 gr bullets will kick a bit more.
-Zimmy
GMZ...@aol.com
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From: Carl Fickling <cop...@fickling.net>
Subject: Re: M1 Garand synthetic stock source?
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.990606...@shell5.ba.best.com>
References: <7ja2og$q5d$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
Brownells was them in their lastest catalog. $89 for drop-in replacement
stock and includs both handguards. Part #231-001-100
Molded polypropylene.
You can also get a new real walnut set for $85 from Boyd's. I got one
from Boyd's, and it is real nice. I think you would like it much better
then the synthetic one.
Check their web sites at
http://www.brownells.com/
http://www.boydboys.com/
On 4 Jun 1999, Jeff wrote:
> ...
Carl Fickling, in Union City, CA.
http://www.fickling.net for the Bent-wing hangar (Corsairs are more fun)
for fun (ca...@fickling.net): or for work (ca...@qantel.com)
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From: Carl Fickling <cop...@fickling.net>
Subject: Re: Lee Load-All
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.990606...@shell5.ba.best.com>
References: <7ja3e8$qas$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
Try http://www.fmreloading.com/
They seem to have the best prices for Lee products, at about 50% retail.
Carl
On 4 Jun 1999, Striddle wrote:
> ...
Carl Fickling, in Union City, CA.
http://www.fickling.net for the Bent-wing hangar (Corsairs are more fun)
for fun (ca...@fickling.net): or for work (ca...@qantel.com)
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From: Carl Fickling <cop...@fickling.net>
Subject: Re: Is the 1911 delicate ?
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.990606...@shell5.ba.best.com>
References: <7jb9vc$es$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
Absolutely NOT. This design was used by the military for 80 years, and is
even used by the FBI even today. It is one tough pistol and takes a
beating and keep on banging away. Many military and policeman STILL use
them. They stack their life on them! You just don't do this with a
"delicate" firearm. You have been led astray by misleading information.
On 5 Jun 1999, REast52 wrote:
> ...
Carl Fickling, in Union City, CA.
http://www.fickling.net for the Bent-wing hangar (Corsairs are more fun)
for fun (ca...@fickling.net): or for work (ca...@qantel.com)
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From: gun...@lightspeed.net (Gunner)
Subject: Re: IMR 4227 "dirty"?
Organization: Coyote Engineering
References: <7ja2bq$q1t$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
"Bart Frechem" <bartf...@dplus.net> wrote:
#I've just shot some .357 and .44 special reloads with IMR 4227 and 158 g.
#cast bullets. The performance was OK, but in most of the empties, the
#powder left a large quantity of brown "granular" residue (almost like light
#tobacco).
#
#Is this normal for 4227?
#
#Does it affect performance?
#
#Is it an indicator that something in the reloading process is not optimized?
#
#Recommendations?
#
#Thanks,
#
#please reply directly to me.
#
#-Bart
For that load, with a normal crimp, yes, you will get lots of unburned
or scorched powder. 4227 is a bit slow for use with those cases and
cast bullets. If you MUST use 4227 with cast in the .357 & 44, I would
suggest using Magnum primers, and a tight crimp. I shoot lots of 4227
in cast rifle loads, but would NOT reccommend it with 158gr cast in
the .357. It wont hurt anything, but is dirty and a waste of powder.
http://userzweb.lightspeed.net/gunner
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From: gun...@lightspeed.net (Gunner)
Subject: Re: Looking for a shooting jacket
Organization: Coyote Engineering
Message-ID: <375c4de8...@news.lightspeed.net>
References: <7ja3ae$q9m$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu> <7jbboa$111$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
It would help if you guys would post your sizes.......
Gunner
sqze...@aol.com (Sqzeplay9) wrote:
> ...
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From: gun...@ontarget-ny.com (Neil Hoffman)
Subject: Re: S&W 9MM Revolver Question
References: <7jbagj$kr$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>
On 5 Jun 1999 09:59:47 -0400, at...@aol.com (Churchill) wrote:
#Several years ago, S&W sold a 9MM 4 inch barrel, blued steel 9MM
#revolver; does anyone know the model number they used for this gun? It
#isn't the current 9MM revolver in their product listing as of now.
The S&W 547 came out in the early 1980s when lots of police agencies
around the country were making a mad rush to change to 9mm guns. The
gun was discontinued in 1985 after a run of only 2 or 3 years. The
idea behind the gun was that the officers didn't need retraining in
the use of semi-automatic pistols.
The 547 was built on a "K" frame with a 3" or 4" barrel in square or
round butt formats. It had a very unique and complex extractor made
of (berryllium?) fingers which retracted fully when in battery and
extended to poke the 9mm rimless shells out of the cylinder.
I had some of these guns back then, and they were quite interesting.
Of course, they bombed. The police officers wanted high capacity 9s,
not 6-shot revolvers in calibers other than .38 special or .357 Mag.
Neil Hoffman
gun...@ontarget-ny.com
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From: "Marv Boetcher" <boet...@msn.com>
Subject: AR 10
Organization: Marv Boetcher & Associates
Hello All,
I am looking for magazines for a AR - 10. Any suggestions on were to find
them?
Marv
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Webqueen
and we inquired about participating as vendors in the next Fayetteville show
(late July). We were told about the fees that were being enforced by the
city, and they do vary according to what types of merchandise you sell. All
vendors (even those selling beanie babies) were required to pay the fee. It
was pretty obvious that no one was happy about the procedure, but we were
told that the license would be good for an entire year.
As for the yard sale idea... when we lived in another state we were required
to apply for a permit to host a yard sale... I think at that time it was $15
for 2 days.
If the vendors decide not to return, then Fayetteville will lose some
revenue. That would be the best message to send to the powers that be.
Will we participate in the next show? We haven't decided... but the fee is
not really a factor. It's tax deductible. Just my $.02.
Geri Weaver
http://www.geardup.com
BlackHawk & CamelBak products at "better than catalog" prices and free
shipping within the US.
RE:
I just came back from the Gun Show in Fayetteville, NC where the City of
Fayetteville had their City Revenue Collector demand from each vendor a City
privilege license or he would close down the vendor's booth. This is the
first time I have seen this happen and serioulsly doubt the liberal Clinton
supporting jerk was out harassing people at yard sales and flea markets. I
for one am getting damn tired of seeing myself and other pro-gun owners the
victims of government harassment. I am not a Vendor just another citizen who
was in Fayetteville who went to spend some of my hard earned money in a two
bit town that does not deserve patronizing. I understand the license fees
were in some case over a $100 bucks and expired the end June 30 to begin
their new fiscal year. This just makes be distrust our government even
more.