Glock 26 Jamming Problem
Steven Fogg
loaded ammo (several different brands). The most common problem
is failure-to-feed jams when the clip is almost empty. I also
get an occasional "stove pipe" jam and the slide will often
remain closed after the last round is fired. The gun works fine
with +P ammo. Have other people experienced this problem? The
dealer claims that Glocks are highly sensitive to "limp
wristing" but I am quite sure that I am not doing this.
Michael Payne
problems with a cheaper .380Acp. The failure to feed when the magazine (clips
are for rifles with fixed magazines) spring is under less pressure is a hint
that your magazines aren't up to par, or they aren't seating correctly. The
magazine follower is pushed up under spring pressure to engage the slide lock.
So, two of your three observations could be related to magazine spring
problems.
The stove piping is different, but it may clear up when the magazines get
swapped out.
Make your dealer loan you two new magazines for a day or so to check your
function.
Good luck...
In article <4kf5cr$6...@xring.cs.umd.edu>,
Steven Fogg <fo...@astro.ocis.temple.edu> wrote:
#>My new Glock 26 regularly jams with target pressure, factory-
#>loaded ammo (several different brands). The most common problem
#>is failure-to-feed jams when the clip is almost empty. I also
#>get an occasional "stove pipe" jam and the slide will often
#>remain closed after the last round is fired. The gun works fine
#>with +P ammo. Have other people experienced this problem? The
#>dealer claims that Glocks are highly sensitive to "limp
#>wristing" but I am quite sure that I am not doing this.
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Sanford E. Walke IV
: My new Glock 26 regularly jams with target pressure, factory-
: loaded ammo (several different brands). The most common problem
: is failure-to-feed jams when the clip is almost empty. I also
: get an occasional "stove pipe" jam and the slide will often
: remain closed after the last round is fired. The gun works fine
: with +P ammo. Have other people experienced this problem? The
: dealer claims that Glocks are highly sensitive to "limp
: wristing" but I am quite sure that I am not doing this.
The failures you are getting sound EXACTLY like limp-wristing failures.
Try taking a STRONG (even overly strong) two handed grip, really leaning
into the pistol, and shooting it. I'll bet those problems go away. The
26 isn't really a target gun. Get some hotter loads for practice, similar
to what you'd carry.
--
Sandy se...@izzy.net
"Quemadmoeum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est."
-- Lucius Annaeus Seneca "the Younger" (ca. 4 BC-65 AD)
I don't speak for anyone but myself, and sometimes not even that.
VMI91Chuck
My Glock experienced this problem often--especially the failure to feed
the last round of a clip--but this went away after firing a few boxes of
ammo through it.
Your gun may just need to be broken in.
VMI91Chuck
Steve
#
# How many rounds have you fired through your new gun?
#
# My Glock experienced this problem often--especially the failure to feed
# the last round of a clip--but this went away after firing a few boxes of
# ammo through it.
#
# Your gun may just need to be broken in.
#
# VMI91ChuckVMI91Chuck wrote:
# My Glock experienced this problem often--especially the failure to feed
# the last round of a clip--but this went away after firing a few boxes of
# ammo through it.
Glocks have MAGAZINES, NOT CLIPS!!!!!
To the original poster: Really DOES sound like limp-wristing...try a
Weaver (or modified-Weaver) hold and be sure to concentrate on a good
firm grip.....
Joe Talmadge
# Steven Fogg (fo...@astro.ocis.temple.edu) wrote:
# : My new Glock 26 regularly jams with target pressure, factory-
# : loaded ammo (several different brands). The most common problem
# : is failure-to-feed jams when the clip is almost empty. I also
# : get an occasional "stove pipe" jam and the slide will often
# : remain closed after the last round is fired. The gun works fine
# : with +P ammo. Have other people experienced this problem? The
# : dealer claims that Glocks are highly sensitive to "limp
# : wristing" but I am quite sure that I am not doing this.
# The failures you are getting sound EXACTLY like limp-wristing failures.
# Try taking a STRONG (even overly strong) two handed grip, really leaning
# into the pistol, and shooting it. I'll bet those problems go away. The
If you're by yourself, it's really difficult to tell if you're limp
wristing or not. I had a friend who was having trouble with his glock
jamming. No matter how firm he tried to keep his wrist, it just kept
jamming. I took the gun, and no matter how *weak* I tried to hold the
gun, I couldn't get it to jam for me! The best way to see if you're
limp wristing or not is to hand it to another shooter or two and see
what happens.
Steven Fogg
-made ammo). The most common type of jam is failure to feed,
which occurs mostly when the clip is close to empty. I also get
stove-pipe jams. Full power + P ammo works with no
problems.The dealer suggests that I have it throated and
polished. Have other people had similar problems with this gun?
Steve
#
# My Glock 26 frequently jams when I use target pressure (factory
# -made ammo). The most common type of jam is failure to feed,
# which occurs mostly when the clip is close to empty. I also get
# stove-pipe jams. Full power + P ammo works with no
# problems.The dealer suggests that I have it throated and
# polished. Have other people had similar problems with this gun?
Three points:
1) The Glock has no CLIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is a magazine.
2) Your dealer is a moron....Glocks need no throating...how much did he
want to charge you for that????
3) Your problem sounds like a clear-cut case of limpwristing....Let
another (or more than one) experienced shooter of Glocks shoot your
gun...I'll bet it doesn't jam....
Steve
Jeffrey Budzynski
<fo...@astro.ocis.temple.edu> writes:
#
#My Glock 26 frequently jams when I use target pressure (factory
#-made ammo). The most common type of jam is failure to feed,
#which occurs mostly when the clip is close to empty. I also get
#polished. Have other people had similar problems with this gun?
#
#
I recently read an article in one of the gun magazines to which I
subscribe, and they cleared-up the differences between a "jam" and a
"stoppage." All of the problems described here lately would fall into
the category of "stoppages." A stoppage, they described, is a
relatively minor problem that can be rectified on-the-spot, usually by
clearing the weapon. A JAM, on the other hand, is usually a more
serious malfunction, occasionally with a bullet stuck in the bore, and
requires the services of a gunsmith to correct.
I figured I'd try to help clear the distinction up. I see so many
media reports of "semi-automatic revolvers" and such, I don't want to
see US making similar mistakes.
Azure
(Jeff Roberts)
#My new Glock 26 regularly jams with target pressure, factory-
#loaded ammo (several different brands). The most common problem
#is failure-to-feed jams when the clip is almost empty. I also
#get an occasional "stove pipe" jam and the slide will often
#remain closed after the last round is fired. The gun works fine
#with +P ammo. Have other people experienced this problem? The
#dealer claims that Glocks are highly sensitive to "limp
#wristing" but I am quite sure that I am not doing this.
I am having a similar problem with my 27. Frequent misfeeds -
especially using the high cap mags from the 22. But CorBon +P 150's
were misfeeding even in the 9 round mag. The dealer told me to be
patient and break the gun in (I now have fired over 400 rounds and the
problem does seem to be getting less frequent). I called Glock and the
guy there gave me the "limp wrist" rap. Sure enough when I held the
gun firmly in two hands with a strong Weaver like stance, the misfeeds
almost completely went away. The dealer told me he could make almost
any gun misfeed by letting go of his wrist. Glock offered to polish
the ramp for me within 7-10 days if the problem does not clear up. One
thing is certain. I would not trust my life to this gun right now. Not
until it fires 500 rounds without a failure to feed.
bma...@stu.uomhs.edu
<fo...@astro.ocis.temple.edu> wrote:
#My Glock 26 frequently jams when I use target pressure (factory
#-made ammo). The most common type of jam is failure to feed,
#which occurs mostly when the clip is close to empty. I also get
# stove-pipe jams. Full power + P ammo works with no
#problems.The dealer suggests that I have it throated and
#polished. Have other people had similar problems with this gun?
When I first fired the Glock 26, we had no problems whatsoever with
factory ammo. We were using CCI Blazer 124gr FMJ. We shot about 200
rounds without a jam. I suggest that you let Glock have a look at it
before you let an unauthorized gunsmith tinker with it. After all, you
might as well take advantage of Glock's warranty.
rcm...@idir.net
poa...@ix.netcom.com (Jeffrey Budzynski ) wrote:
#In <4kkd9e$7...@xring.cs.umd.edu> Steven Fogg
#<fo...@astro.ocis.temple.edu> writes:
##
##My Glock 26 frequently jams when I use target pressure (factory
##-made ammo). The most common type of jam is failure to feed,
##which occurs mostly when the clip is close to empty. I also get
## stove-pipe jams. Full power + P ammo works with no
##problems.The dealer suggests that I have it throated and
##polished. Have other people had similar problems with this gun?
##
##
#
#
# I recently read an article in one of the gun magazines to which I
#"stoppage." All of the problems described here lately would fall
into
#the category of "stoppages." A stoppage, they described, is a
#relatively minor problem that can be rectified on-the-spot, usually
by
#clearing the weapon. A JAM, on the other hand, is usually a more
#serious malfunction, occasionally with a bullet stuck in the bore,
and
#requires the services of a gunsmith to correct.
# I figured I'd try to help clear the distinction up. I see so
many
#media reports of "semi-automatic revolvers" and such, I don't want to
#see US making similar mistakes.
#
# Azure
#
RE: But we are! And we do continue to do it!
The problem is that a "jam" or a "stoppage" results in the same thing.
It results in a pistol/revolver/rifle/shotgun not working correctly!
The words used to describe it mean nothing, and are the same, to
anyone who could possably help the poster with their problem over the
internet.
The best response I can think of when someone asks why their .357/.45
EarSpliten LoudenBoomer "jammed" is to clean it, and try different
ammo!
If they said the loaded round that "jammed" was sticking straight up
out of the slide, or the empty case hit them in the face twice in
1,000 rounds, I might be able to help them!
But if they ask why the rifle/pistol had a stoppage, or jammed,
without giving much more detail, I don't even bother to read further,
because I know nothing about the real problem, and I know I can't help
them. (Although I would like too!)
The bottom line is that unless the poster describes the problem in
very much detail, none of us with any amount of actual experiance can
help them at all!
Alex Osinski
#Steven Fogg wrote:
##
## My Glock 26 frequently jams when I use target pressure (factory
## -made ammo). The most common type of jam is failure to feed,
## which occurs mostly when the clip is close to empty. I also get
## stove-pipe jams. Full power + P ammo works with no
## polished. Have other people had similar problems with this gun?
#
#Three points:
#
#1) The Glock has no CLIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is a magazine.
#
#2) Your dealer is a moron....Glocks need no throating...how much did he
#want to charge you for that????
#
#3) Your problem sounds like a clear-cut case of limpwristing....Let
#another (or more than one) experienced shooter of Glocks shoot your
#gun...I'll bet it doesn't jam....
#
#Steve
#
Even Glock has quality control problems from time to time. I remember a
friend getting a Glock 17 that could not fire ten shots without jamming.
It jammed for all three of us who were shooting that day. The other
two Glocks we had never jammed, but the 10mm would sometimes not fire (It
had been beat up with hot handloads.)
If it jams, try breaking it in, otherwise, send it back. That gunsmith
may void the warranty if he throats it. (I am not even sure you can do
this with a GLock, he may be thinking 1911).
Dillon Pyron
In article <4km3qk$d...@xring.cs.umd.edu>, Steve <stev...@pop.erols.com> writes:
#Steven Fogg wrote:
##
## My Glock 26 frequently jams when I use target pressure (factory
## -made ammo). The most common type of jam is failure to feed,
## which occurs mostly when the clip is close to empty. I also get
## stove-pipe jams. Full power + P ammo works with no
## problems.The dealer suggests that I have it throated and
## polished. Have other people had similar problems with this gun?
#
#Three points:
#
#1) The Glock has no CLIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is a magazine.
#
#2) Your dealer is a moron....Glocks need no throating...how much did he
#want to charge you for that????
#
#3) Your problem sounds like a clear-cut case of limpwristing....Let
#another (or more than one) experienced shooter of Glocks shoot your
#gun...I'll bet it doesn't jam....
#
#Steve
#
One additional point. Several people have complained about poor performance from
new guns. Consider the first 200 rounds to be throw aways. Don't look at
performance or accuracy until you've shot it and cleaned it at least twice. Then
start testing for different ammo. Find ammo that YOU like and that the gun likes.
dillon (Everybody puts 1000 rounds a month threw each of their handguns, right?)
Randy Pafford
|>
|> In article <4km3qk$d...@xring.cs.umd.edu>, Steve <stev...@pop.erols.com> writes:
|> #Steven Fogg wrote:
|> ##
|> ## My Glock 26 frequently jams when I use target pressure (factory
|> ## -made ammo). The most common type of jam is failure to feed,
|> ## which occurs mostly when the clip is close to empty. I also get
|> ## stove-pipe jams. Full power + P ammo works with no
|> ## problems.The dealer suggests that I have it throated and
|> ## polished. Have other people had similar problems with this gun?
|> #
|> #Three points:
|> #
|> #1) The Glock has no CLIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is a magazine.
|> #
|> #2) Your dealer is a moron....Glocks need no throating...how much did he
|> #want to charge you for that????
|> #
|> #3) Your problem sounds like a clear-cut case of limpwristing....Let
|> #another (or more than one) experienced shooter of Glocks shoot your
|> #gun...I'll bet it doesn't jam....
I'm an experienced shooter. My G26 malfunctions with light loads. It
doesn't with hotter stuff. I'm not limp wristing [the universal
comment when anyone, anywhere, has a malfunction with a Glock]. I just
think the G26 doesn't run well with light loads. Most Glocks don't. My
full-size G17 had repeated problems with some very light reloads
I bought a few years ago [9mm 115 gr at about 1000 fps; really wimpy].
Like any semi-auto the Glock has a range of ammo it will work well with.
Put an 18lb recoil spring in a .45 1911 and give it factory match ammo, like
the Federal 185gr at 775 fps. That probably won't work either. Glocks come
with recoil springs that will let them operate with hot ammo; this will
compromise performance with light loads.
|> #
|> #Steve
|> #
|>
|> One additional point. Several people have complained about poor performance from
|> new guns. Consider the first 200 rounds to be throw aways. Don't look at
|> performance or accuracy until you've shot it and cleaned it at least twice. Then
|> start testing for different ammo. Find ammo that YOU like and that the gun likes.
And yes, when the gun is very new, it may not function as well. A couple
hundred rounds "breakin" does seem to solve a lot of function problems.
Randy
Sanford E. Walke IV
: I'm an experienced shooter. My G26 malfunctions with light loads. It
: doesn't with hotter stuff. I'm not limp wristing [the universal
: comment when anyone, anywhere, has a malfunction with a Glock]. I just
: think the G26 doesn't run well with light loads. Most Glocks don't.
The reason that it's not running with light loads is because you *ARE*
limp-wristing. I've shot loads in my G22 that were so light the empty ran
down the back of my hand on ejection and bounced off my shoe, but they worked
fine because I resisted the recoil and allowed ALL of the energy of the recoil
impulse to work the action. When you limp-wrist with a hot load, there's so
much energy to spare that the energy lost in your wrist doesn't matter.
There's enough left over to run the gun. When you limp-wrist with a light
load, the energy lost in your wrist starts to matter.
If you can take the gun out to the range and shoot those same light loads
while gripping it as firmly as you can stand and pushing forward as hard as
you can while shooting, and it still fails, then I'll believe you and I'll
apologize for my disagreement here. Otherwise, you're limp-wristing. I've
seen it too many times to be convinced otherwise, unless you present
*extremely* strong evidence. "Hey, this gun keeps jamming." "Resist it
when it recoils." "Gosh, it's working now." "Gee, what a surprise."
Again and again and again and again.
: Like any semi-auto the Glock has a range of ammo it will work well with.
And that range is incredibly wide.
I've yet to find any ammo that didn't cycle the gun fully, when proper
technique was used, in both my G22 and my wife's G19.
--
Sandy se...@izzy.net
Jason Euculano
#I've yet to find any ammo that didn't cycle the gun fully, when proper
#technique was used, in both my G22 and my wife's G19.
Ever try CCI's birdshot rounds? They were the only ones that just
wouldn't cycle my P-89. Next question is: If factory 9mm is "too
hot" for someone, they should be using a .22 until they get used to
the "bang".
- Jason Euculano __ __
\ /
!!OS/2 Warp Rules!! TRUST X NO 1
/ \
~~ ~~
Sanford E. Walke IV
Jason Euculano (js...@Lehigh.EDU) wrote:
: #I've yet to find any ammo that didn't cycle the gun fully, when proper
: #technique was used, in both my G22 and my wife's G19.
: Ever try CCI's birdshot rounds?
No, I haven't. I should, just to find out, but they're a bit pricey for
just foolin' around.
--
Sandy se...@izzy.net
Philip Peake
Jason Euculano wrote:
#
# #I've yet to find any ammo that didn't cycle the gun fully, when proper
# #technique was used, in both my G22 and my wife's G19.
#
# Ever try CCI's birdshot rounds? They were the only ones that just
# wouldn't cycle my P-89. Next question is: If factory 9mm is "too
# hot" for someone, they should be using a .22 until they get used to
# the "bang".
Depends on who's factory it comes from :-)
Mix up a batch of Winchester USA and Fiocchi 9mm in the same mag.
If you are used to the Winchester ammo, my guess is that the first
Fiocci you hit will make YOU jump :-)
Philip
Jason Euculano
Philip Peake <phi...@vogon.rain.com> wrote:
#Jason Euculano wrote:
##
## #I've yet to find any ammo that didn't cycle the gun fully, when proper
## #technique was used, in both my G22 and my wife's G19.
##
## Ever try CCI's birdshot rounds? They were the only ones that just
## wouldn't cycle my P-89. Next question is: If factory 9mm is "too
## hot" for someone, they should be using a .22 until they get used to
## the "bang".
#Depends on who's factory it comes from :-)
#Mix up a batch of Winchester USA and Fiocchi 9mm in the same mag.
#If you are used to the Winchester ammo, my guess is that the first
#Fiocci you hit will make YOU jump :-)
Well, if I'm using something like a P-89, I kinda doubt that the
recoil would be too great, unless it "surprises" me like you
suggested. Of course, do you think it would recoil more than my G27
w/ Corbon's 135gr HP? Now after a few mags of them, I'm starting to
feel it :-)
BTW, the G27 is incredibly controllable with all rounds I've fed it so
far. It has been the most pleasant surprise of my shooting career.
Of course, it might be helped a little because I can get all 3 fingers
on the grip. I have quite small hands, and my little finger rests on
the mag's baseplate.
Guro Rock
I just purchased a new Glock 19 and went shooting with my girlfriend. It
jammed twice on her one night and then twice again on another night. The
problem appeared to be that the fresh round would not properly load, with
the tip getting hung up at the base of the ramp.
It has never jammed on me nor the rangemaster. Perhaps the jams that are
being reported are truly related to "limpwristing". Anyone agree?
Bruce McDaniels
Jason Euculano wrote:
#
# Philip Peake <phi...@vogon.rain.com> wrote:
#
# #Jason Euculano wrote:
# ##
# ## #I've yet to find any ammo that didn't cycle the gun fully, when proper
# ##
# ## Ever try CCI's birdshot rounds? They were the only ones that just
# ## hot" for someone, they should be using a .22 until they get used to
# ## the "bang".
#
# #Depends on who's factory it comes from :-)
#
# #Mix up a batch of Winchester USA and Fiocchi 9mm in the same mag.
# #If you are used to the Winchester ammo, my guess is that the first
# #Fiocci you hit will make YOU jump :-)
#
# Well, if I'm using something like a P-89, I kinda doubt that the
# recoil would be too great, unless it "surprises" me like you
# suggested. Of course, do you think it would recoil more than my G27
# w/ Corbon's 135gr HP? Now after a few mags of them, I'm starting to
# feel it :-)
#
# BTW, the G27 is incredibly controllable with all rounds I've fed it so
# far. It has been the most pleasant surprise of my shooting career.
# Of course, it might be helped a little because I can get all 3 fingers
# on the grip. I have quite small hands, and my little finger rests on
# the mag's baseplate.
#
# - Jason Euculano __ __
# \ /
# !!OS/2 Warp Rules!! TRUST X NO 1
# / \
# ~~ ~~
Call Pierce grips at 1-800-390-9420. They sell an extention for the
Glock 26/27 mag that provides a finger rest. EXCELLENT!!!
Steven Fogg
Guro Rock wrote:
#
# I just purchased a new Glock 19 and went shooting with my girlfriend. It
# jammed twice on her one night and then twice again on another night. The
# problem appeared to be that the fresh round would not properly load, with
# the tip getting hung up at the base of the ramp.
#
# It has never jammed on me nor the rangemaster. Perhaps the jams that are
# being reported are truly related to "limpwristing". Anyone agree?I have one of the Glock 26s and jamming has been a serious problem ever
since I got the pistol, but only with target-pressure ammo. Limp
wristing is probably not the cause. I suspect that the double recoil
spring is a bit too strong. In addition to the failure to feed jams,
occasionally mine will not blow the slide open after the last round has
been fired. Other people have test fired my gun, including a previously
skeptical instructor, and the jamming occurs for them. My instructor,
who is also a state policeman, claims that he knows of entire police
departments who have sent their Glocks back due to reliability problems.
Steve
Steven Fogg wrote:
# My instructor,
# who is also a state policeman, claims that he knows of entire police
# departments who have sent their Glocks back due to reliability
# problems.
Okay...I'll go with this one....How about asking your "instructor" to
cite specific departments that have done this....I'm willing to verify
the info with the specific departemnts named and I'll report back to the
whole of rec.guns with what I learn...
I'm waiting.....
Dillon Pyron
In article <4moh4r$e...@xring.cs.umd.edu>, Steve <stev...@pop.erols.com> writes:
#Steven Fogg wrote:
## My instructor,
## who is also a state policeman, claims that he knows of entire police
## departments who have sent their Glocks back due to reliability
## problems.
#
#Okay...I'll go with this one....How about asking your "instructor" to
#cite specific departments that have done this....I'm willing to verify
#the info with the specific departemnts named and I'll report back to the
#whole of rec.guns with what I learn...
#
#I'm waiting.....
The only problems I've ever had are the same I have with every new autoloader.
Nothing counts before round 200.
I know of an entire department that wants to trade their 17s for 22s. But they
have to get in line, from what I've heard.
dillon