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Larry
Apr 29, 2012, 4:17:33 PM4/29/12
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Now that's just freakin' weird!
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Dennis J. Green
Apr 29, 2012, 8:01:08 PM4/29/12
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Hell, I Want one!!!
David R. Birch
Apr 30, 2012, 8:27:03 AM4/30/12
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On 4/29/2012 3:17 PM, Larry wrote:
# Now that's just freakin' weird!
#
# http://www.dudeiwantthat.com/gear/weapons/double-barrel-pistol.asp
Plus really dumb. His two handed hold hides the fact that the grip is so
large that you couldn't shoot the pistol well one handed. I have medium
size hands so a Beretta 92 is about as big as I can get a good grip on.
I've tried some double stack .45s like the Para-Ordnance and the H&K USP
and they just don't fit me. This 2011A1 has to be 2" wide.
Another gun created to fill the cover of the gun rags.
David
# Now that's just freakin' weird!
#
# http://www.dudeiwantthat.com/gear/weapons/double-barrel-pistol.asp
Plus really dumb. His two handed hold hides the fact that the grip is so
large that you couldn't shoot the pistol well one handed. I have medium
size hands so a Beretta 92 is about as big as I can get a good grip on.
I've tried some double stack .45s like the Para-Ordnance and the H&K USP
and they just don't fit me. This 2011A1 has to be 2" wide.
Another gun created to fill the cover of the gun rags.
David
TimR
Apr 30, 2012, 12:05:00 PM4/30/12
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On Apr 30, 8:27=A0am, "David R. Birch" <dbi...@wi.rr.com> wrote:
# On 4/29/2012 3:17 PM, Larry wrote:
# # Now that's just freakin' weird!
# #
# #http://www.dudeiwantthat.com/gear/weapons/double-barrel-pistol.asp
#
# Plus really dumb. His two handed hold hides the fact that the grip is so
# large that you couldn't shoot the pistol well one handed. I have medium
# size hands so a Beretta 92 is about as big as I can get a good grip on.
# I've tried some double stack .45s like the Para-Ordnance and the H&K USP
# and they just don't fit me. This 2011A1 has to be 2" wide.
#
# Another gun created to fill the cover of the gun rags.
Plus they quote accuracy as "watermelon sized" at 25 yards. I can
throw rocks that well.
I've always thought the usefulness of a double barreled gun would be
in a revolver, not a semi-auto.
Stack two barrels on top of each other, drill the cylinder with
concentric circles of chambers, and each rotation alternates top and
bottom barrels. I bet you could get at least 25 rounds into one
cylinder of .22, maybe more.
# On 4/29/2012 3:17 PM, Larry wrote:
# # Now that's just freakin' weird!
# #
# #http://www.dudeiwantthat.com/gear/weapons/double-barrel-pistol.asp
#
# Plus really dumb. His two handed hold hides the fact that the grip is so
# large that you couldn't shoot the pistol well one handed. I have medium
# size hands so a Beretta 92 is about as big as I can get a good grip on.
# I've tried some double stack .45s like the Para-Ordnance and the H&K USP
# and they just don't fit me. This 2011A1 has to be 2" wide.
#
# Another gun created to fill the cover of the gun rags.
Plus they quote accuracy as "watermelon sized" at 25 yards. I can
throw rocks that well.
I've always thought the usefulness of a double barreled gun would be
in a revolver, not a semi-auto.
Stack two barrels on top of each other, drill the cylinder with
concentric circles of chambers, and each rotation alternates top and
bottom barrels. I bet you could get at least 25 rounds into one
cylinder of .22, maybe more.
IGot2P
Apr 30, 2012, 12:05:01 PM4/30/12
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On 4/30/2012 7:27 AM, David R. Birch wrote:
# On 4/29/2012 3:17 PM, Larry wrote:
# # Now that's just freakin' weird!
# #
# # http://www.dudeiwantthat.com/gear/weapons/double-barrel-pistol.asp
#
# Plus really dumb. His two handed hold hides the fact that the grip is so
# large that you couldn't shoot the pistol well one handed. I have medium
# size hands so a Beretta 92 is about as big as I can get a good grip on.
# I've tried some double stack .45s like the Para-Ordnance and the H&K USP
# and they just don't fit me. This 2011A1 has to be 2" wide.
#
# Another gun created to fill the cover of the gun rags.
And to solve a problem that didn't exist.
Don
# On 4/29/2012 3:17 PM, Larry wrote:
# # Now that's just freakin' weird!
# #
# # http://www.dudeiwantthat.com/gear/weapons/double-barrel-pistol.asp
#
# Plus really dumb. His two handed hold hides the fact that the grip is so
# large that you couldn't shoot the pistol well one handed. I have medium
# size hands so a Beretta 92 is about as big as I can get a good grip on.
# I've tried some double stack .45s like the Para-Ordnance and the H&K USP
# and they just don't fit me. This 2011A1 has to be 2" wide.
#
# Another gun created to fill the cover of the gun rags.
And to solve a problem that didn't exist.
Don
David Griffith
Apr 30, 2012, 9:22:10 PM4/30/12
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# Plus they quote accuracy as "watermelon sized" at 25 yards. I can
# throw rocks that well.
# I've always thought the usefulness of a double barreled gun would be
# in a revolver, not a semi-auto.
# Stack two barrels on top of each other, drill the cylinder with
# concentric circles of chambers, and each rotation alternates top and
# bottom barrels. I bet you could get at least 25 rounds into one
# cylinder of .22, maybe more.
Weird, though it seems workable. I wonder what the mechanics of a
speedloader for such a revolver would look like.
# throw rocks that well.
# I've always thought the usefulness of a double barreled gun would be
# in a revolver, not a semi-auto.
# Stack two barrels on top of each other, drill the cylinder with
# concentric circles of chambers, and each rotation alternates top and
# bottom barrels. I bet you could get at least 25 rounds into one
# cylinder of .22, maybe more.
Weird, though it seems workable. I wonder what the mechanics of a
speedloader for such a revolver would look like.
JR
Apr 30, 2012, 9:22:13 PM4/30/12
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Several months ago the TV show "Sons of Guns" featured an old 20 shot
pinfire revolver.
Big & heavy but kinda cool.
Regards,
JR
pinfire revolver.
Big & heavy but kinda cool.
Regards,
JR
Peter Franks
May 1, 2012, 1:28:51 PM5/1/12
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On 4/30/2012 5:27 AM, David R. Birch wrote:
# Another gun created to fill the cover of the gun rags.
And I've got no problem with that.
# Another gun created to fill the cover of the gun rags.
And I've got no problem with that.
Kevin Snodgrass
May 1, 2012, 1:28:52 PM5/1/12
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On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 16:05:00 +0000, TimR wrote:
# I've always thought the usefulness of a double barreled gun would be in
# a revolver, not a semi-auto.
# I've always thought the usefulness of a double barreled gun would be in
# a revolver, not a semi-auto.
#
# Stack two barrels on top of each other, drill the cylinder with
# concentric circles of chambers, and each rotation alternates top and
# bottom barrels. I bet you could get at least 25 rounds into one
# cylinder of .22, maybe more.
Look up the Lefaucheux. 20 shot pinfire revolver, 7.65mm.
# Stack two barrels on top of each other, drill the cylinder with
# concentric circles of chambers, and each rotation alternates top and
# bottom barrels. I bet you could get at least 25 rounds into one
# cylinder of .22, maybe more.
JR
May 1, 2012, 7:21:49 PM5/1/12
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YES!!! Lefaucheux
That's what it was, thank you. =)
That's what it was, thank you. =)
B R U C E
May 1, 2012, 7:37:21 PM5/1/12
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I love the thought of this double shot revolver. I'd buy one in a
minute.
Even in a .22 it sounds like a formidable defensive weapon.
You should talk to Smith or Taurus about it. This is a keeper.
minute.
Even in a .22 it sounds like a formidable defensive weapon.
You should talk to Smith or Taurus about it. This is a keeper.
Stanley Schaefer
May 2, 2012, 7:33:49 PM5/2/12
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On Apr 29, 2:17=A0pm, Larry <lar...@peaksky.com> wrote:
# Now that's just freakin' weird!
Saw that in the latest SGN, the writer made the point that in the US,
it'd be a machinegun. More than one round being fired with one
trigger pull. it was in coverage of some European sporting goods
show.
Saw one in the 70's that was 2 1911s attached to a long grip plate,
tops together. You fired them sideways and it had a sight rib
between. Some guy was trying to use it for pins. This one makes
about as much sense.
Stan
# Now that's just freakin' weird!
Saw that in the latest SGN, the writer made the point that in the US,
it'd be a machinegun. More than one round being fired with one
trigger pull. it was in coverage of some European sporting goods
show.
Saw one in the 70's that was 2 1911s attached to a long grip plate,
tops together. You fired them sideways and it had a sight rib
between. Some guy was trying to use it for pins. This one makes
about as much sense.
Stan
J O E
May 2, 2012, 7:33:52 PM5/2/12
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Hafta wonder which barrel you adjust the sights to be on target ...
'cause the other one will be useless in a tactical situation where a
hostage is being held with a gun to his/her head.
You might pop the perp, but if you've chosen to adjust the sights to hit
the target with say, the left barrel, the right barrel might could take
out the hostage.
Novelty item - good in some situations, like torso shots ... bad in
others.
Not something I would choose as a carry weapon.
Pete Keillor
May 2, 2012, 8:33:27 PM5/2/12
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#Saw that in the latest SGN, the writer made the point that in the US,
#it'd be a machinegun. More than one round being fired with one
#trigger pull. it was in coverage of some European sporting goods
#show.
#
#Saw one in the 70's that was 2 1911s attached to a long grip plate,
#tops together. You fired them sideways and it had a sight rib
#between. Some guy was trying to use it for pins. This one makes
#about as much sense.
Yeah, if you're going to use two, might as well go Bruce Willis in
Last Man Standing. And that was a movie. Better to learn to use the
one you have.
Pete
#it'd be a machinegun. More than one round being fired with one
#trigger pull. it was in coverage of some European sporting goods
#show.
#
#Saw one in the 70's that was 2 1911s attached to a long grip plate,
#tops together. You fired them sideways and it had a sight rib
#between. Some guy was trying to use it for pins. This one makes
#about as much sense.
Yeah, if you're going to use two, might as well go Bruce Willis in
Last Man Standing. And that was a movie. Better to learn to use the
one you have.
Pete
misanthropic_curmudgeon
May 2, 2012, 8:33:29 PM5/2/12
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On May 3, 11:33=A0am, Stanley Schaefer <sta...@prolynx.com> wrote:
# On Apr 29, 2:17=3DA0pm, Larry <lar...@peaksky.com> wrote:
# # Now that's just freakin' weird!
# #
# #http://www.dudeiwantthat.com/gear/weapons/double-barrel-pistol.asp
[snip]
# Saw one in the 70's that was 2 1911s attached to a long grip plate,
How about two double-barrelled shotguns, confiured to fire single shot
or or all four barells at once?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DZmyNqO6LAvQ
Heh.
# On Apr 29, 2:17=3DA0pm, Larry <lar...@peaksky.com> wrote:
# # Now that's just freakin' weird!
# #
# #http://www.dudeiwantthat.com/gear/weapons/double-barrel-pistol.asp
[snip]
# Saw one in the 70's that was 2 1911s attached to a long grip plate,
How about two double-barrelled shotguns, confiured to fire single shot
or or all four barells at once?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DZmyNqO6LAvQ
Heh.
David R. Birch
May 3, 2012, 2:33:34 PM5/3/12
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On 5/2/2012 6:33 PM, Stanley Schaefer wrote:
# On Apr 29, 2:17=A0pm, Larry<lar...@peaksky.com> wrote:
# # Now that's just freakin' weird!
# #
# trigger pull. it was in coverage of some European sporting goods
# show.
Nope, two separate triggers.
Still a bad idea.
David
# On Apr 29, 2:17=A0pm, Larry<lar...@peaksky.com> wrote:
# # Now that's just freakin' weird!
# #
# Saw that in the latest SGN, the writer made the point that in the US,
# it'd be a machinegun. More than one round being fired with one
# trigger pull. it was in coverage of some European sporting goods
# show.
Nope, two separate triggers.
Still a bad idea.
David
Louis Boyd
May 3, 2012, 2:33:36 PM5/3/12
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misanthropic_curmudgeon wrote:
# On May 3, 11:33=A0am, Stanley Schaefer <sta...@prolynx.com> wrote:
# # On Apr 29, 2:17=3DA0pm, Larry <lar...@peaksky.com> wrote:
# # # Now that's just freakin' weird!
# # #
# # #http://www.dudeiwantthat.com/gear/weapons/double-barrel-pistol.asp
# [snip]
# # Saw one in the 70's that was 2 1911s attached to a long grip plate,
#
# How about two double-barrelled shotguns, confiured to fire single shot
# or or all four barells at once?
# http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DZmyNqO6LAvQ
There's still the federal "one shot per trigger pull" law. Otherwise
it's a machine gun.
# On May 3, 11:33=A0am, Stanley Schaefer <sta...@prolynx.com> wrote:
# # On Apr 29, 2:17=3DA0pm, Larry <lar...@peaksky.com> wrote:
# # # Now that's just freakin' weird!
# # #
# # #http://www.dudeiwantthat.com/gear/weapons/double-barrel-pistol.asp
# [snip]
# # Saw one in the 70's that was 2 1911s attached to a long grip plate,
#
# How about two double-barrelled shotguns, confiured to fire single shot
# or or all four barells at once?
# http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DZmyNqO6LAvQ
There's still the federal "one shot per trigger pull" law. Otherwise
it's a machine gun.
TimR
May 3, 2012, 2:33:37 PM5/3/12
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On May 2, 7:33=A0pm, krn...@webtv.net (J O E) wrote:
# Hafta wonder which barrel you adjust the sights to be on target ...
# 'cause the other one will be useless in a tactical situation where a
# hostage is being held with a gun to his/her head.
#
Yup.
That's why double rifles are useless against dangerous game in Africa.
Oh wait...................
# Hafta wonder which barrel you adjust the sights to be on target ...
# 'cause the other one will be useless in a tactical situation where a
# hostage is being held with a gun to his/her head.
#
Yup.
That's why double rifles are useless against dangerous game in Africa.
Oh wait...................
Stanley Schaefer
May 3, 2012, 2:33:38 PM5/3/12
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On May 2, 6:33=A0pm, misanthropic_curmudgeon
<misanthropiccurmudg...@breastcancermail.com> wrote:
# On May 3, 11:33=3DA0am, Stanley Schaefer <sta...@prolynx.com> wrote:
# # On Apr 29, 2:17=3D3DA0pm, Larry <lar...@peaksky.com> wrote:
# # # Now that's just freakin' weird!
# # #
# # Saw one in the 70's that was 2 1911s attached to a long grip plate,
#
# How about two double-barrelled shotguns, confiured to fire single shot
# or or all four barells at once?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D3DZmyNqO6=
LAvQ
#
# Heh.
#
Can't see yourtub here, filtered out. But if it's got a single
trigger for all four barrels at once, definitely a machinegun under
the 1934 law's definition. Pack up your toothbrush, you're headed for
Leavenworth...
Stan
<misanthropiccurmudg...@breastcancermail.com> wrote:
# On May 3, 11:33=3DA0am, Stanley Schaefer <sta...@prolynx.com> wrote:
# # On Apr 29, 2:17=3D3DA0pm, Larry <lar...@peaksky.com> wrote:
# # # Now that's just freakin' weird!
# # #
# # Saw one in the 70's that was 2 1911s attached to a long grip plate,
#
# How about two double-barrelled shotguns, confiured to fire single shot
# or or all four barells at once?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D3DZmyNqO6=
LAvQ
#
# Heh.
#
Can't see yourtub here, filtered out. But if it's got a single
trigger for all four barrels at once, definitely a machinegun under
the 1934 law's definition. Pack up your toothbrush, you're headed for
Leavenworth...
Stan
Bruce Gordon
May 3, 2012, 2:33:41 PM5/3/12
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Stan, apparently You, or the Reviewer, didn't READ the Spec's on the
Weapon. The USA shipped model, has Side-by-side, split Triggers. One for
each Barrel. So, that you pull both triggers at the same time. This
makes it a Pistol, and NOT a NFA Weapon. (Machine Gun) No different than
having having two 1911a1s side-by-side and pulling both triggers at
once, or one in each hand. duh.... OLD News....
Martin Eastburn
May 4, 2012, 7:30:25 AM5/4/12
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Double Barrels have often been two at once unless the triggers
are in-line.
Martin
are in-line.
Martin
David Griffith
May 14, 2012, 9:28:45 PM5/14/12
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TimR <timot...@aol.com> wrote:
# I've always thought the usefulness of a double barreled gun would be
# in a revolver, not a semi-auto.
# Stack two barrels on top of each other, drill the cylinder with
# concentric circles of chambers, and each rotation alternates top and
# bottom barrels. I bet you could get at least 25 rounds into one
# cylinder of .22, maybe more.
I just noticed that many years ago someone actually built a revolver
with this sort of thing in mind. It's a triple-barreled top-break thing
chambering .25acp. See
http://www.gizmag.com/triple-barrel-revolver-surfaces/22523/
--
David Griffith
davidmy...@acm.org <--- Put my last name where it belongs
# I've always thought the usefulness of a double barreled gun would be
# in a revolver, not a semi-auto.
# Stack two barrels on top of each other, drill the cylinder with
# concentric circles of chambers, and each rotation alternates top and
# bottom barrels. I bet you could get at least 25 rounds into one
# cylinder of .22, maybe more.
I just noticed that many years ago someone actually built a revolver
with this sort of thing in mind. It's a triple-barreled top-break thing
chambering .25acp. See
http://www.gizmag.com/triple-barrel-revolver-surfaces/22523/
--
David Griffith
davidmy...@acm.org <--- Put my last name where it belongs
David R. Birch
May 15, 2012, 6:11:23 AM5/15/12
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On 5/14/2012 8:28 PM, David Griffith wrote:
# # I've always thought the usefulness of a double barreled gun would be
# # in a revolver, not a semi-auto.
#
# # Stack two barrels on top of each other, drill the cylinder with
# # concentric circles of chambers, and each rotation alternates top and
# # bottom barrels. I bet you could get at least 25 rounds into one
# # cylinder of .22, maybe more.
#
# I just noticed that many years ago someone actually built a revolver
# with this sort of thing in mind. It's a triple-barreled top-break thing
# chambering .25acp. See
# http://www.gizmag.com/triple-barrel-revolver-surfaces/22523/
BTW, I read an article in Shotgun News that gave more detail on the
trigger system of the double barrel 2011A1. Apparently, you can fire
both barrels at once with either trigger, so it is a Class III weapon
here in the USA. I was wrong about that.
David
# # I've always thought the usefulness of a double barreled gun would be
# # in a revolver, not a semi-auto.
#
# # Stack two barrels on top of each other, drill the cylinder with
# # concentric circles of chambers, and each rotation alternates top and
# # bottom barrels. I bet you could get at least 25 rounds into one
# # cylinder of .22, maybe more.
#
# I just noticed that many years ago someone actually built a revolver
# with this sort of thing in mind. It's a triple-barreled top-break thing
# chambering .25acp. See
# http://www.gizmag.com/triple-barrel-revolver-surfaces/22523/
BTW, I read an article in Shotgun News that gave more detail on the
trigger system of the double barrel 2011A1. Apparently, you can fire
both barrels at once with either trigger, so it is a Class III weapon
here in the USA. I was wrong about that.
David
David Griffith
May 15, 2012, 8:22:40 PM5/15/12
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# BTW, I read an article in Shotgun News that gave more detail on the
# trigger system of the double barrel 2011A1. Apparently, you can fire
# both barrels at once with either trigger, so it is a Class III weapon
# here in the USA. I was wrong about that.
It seems to me that it would be fairly easy to simply pull both triggers
at once.
Don Bruder
May 15, 2012, 11:18:27 PM5/15/12
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In article <jous0f$3gi$1...@news.albasani.net>,
davidmy...@acm.org (David Griffith) wrote:
# # BTW, I read an article in Shotgun News that gave more detail on the
# # trigger system of the double barrel 2011A1. Apparently, you can fire
# # both barrels at once with either trigger, so it is a Class III weapon
# # here in the USA. I was wrong about that.
#
# It seems to me that it would be fairly easy to simply pull both triggers
# at once.
Perhaps so, but the way the jackbooted thugs of the BATFE look at
things, that distinction doesn't much matter - if it *CAN* send multiple
pills downrange with one trigger pull, then it *IS* a machine gun.
Doesn't matter if it's "supposed to be" fired in a "one trigger pull/one
bang" mode - since, apparently, it *CAN* be fired (however ill-advised,
warned against, or otherwise discouraged such use might be) in a "pull
the trigger once, send two bullets downrange" mode, it's a machine gun.
End of discussion so far as BATFE is concerned.
Stupid? Sure. But remember, this is the same brain-dead outfit that
holds the position that *A LOOP OF STRING* in the case your Ruger 10/22
is parked in is a machine gun.
davidmy...@acm.org (David Griffith) wrote:
# # BTW, I read an article in Shotgun News that gave more detail on the
# # trigger system of the double barrel 2011A1. Apparently, you can fire
# # both barrels at once with either trigger, so it is a Class III weapon
# # here in the USA. I was wrong about that.
#
# It seems to me that it would be fairly easy to simply pull both triggers
# at once.
Perhaps so, but the way the jackbooted thugs of the BATFE look at
things, that distinction doesn't much matter - if it *CAN* send multiple
pills downrange with one trigger pull, then it *IS* a machine gun.
Doesn't matter if it's "supposed to be" fired in a "one trigger pull/one
bang" mode - since, apparently, it *CAN* be fired (however ill-advised,
warned against, or otherwise discouraged such use might be) in a "pull
the trigger once, send two bullets downrange" mode, it's a machine gun.
End of discussion so far as BATFE is concerned.
Stupid? Sure. But remember, this is the same brain-dead outfit that
holds the position that *A LOOP OF STRING* in the case your Ruger 10/22
is parked in is a machine gun.
pyotr filipivich
May 16, 2012, 12:11:22 AM5/16/12
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Don Bruder <dak...@sonic.net> on Wed, 16 May 2012 03:18:27 +0000 (UTC)
typed in rec.guns the following:
x
-things, that distinction doesn't much matter - if it *CAN* send
-multiple
-pills downrange with one trigger pull, then it *IS* a machine gun.
-Doesn't matter if it's "supposed to be" fired in a "one trigger
pull/one
-bang" mode - since, apparently, it *CAN* be fired (however
ill-advised,
-warned against, or otherwise discouraged such use might be) in a
"pull
-the trigger once, send two bullets downrange" mode, it's a machine
gun.
Same goes if it can be converted to multiple firings "within a
reasonable amount of time. I've heard within eight hours as a rule of
thumb. Considering that it might be possible to convert the axle of
GM car into a "machine gun" in eight hours - does that make Government
Motors an unliscensed manufacturer of Class III firearms?
-End of discussion so far as BATFE is concerned.
-
-Stupid? Sure. But remember, this is the same brain-dead outfit that
-holds the position that *A LOOP OF STRING* in the case your Ruger
10/22
-is parked in is a machine gun.
--
pyotr filipivich
typed in rec.guns the following:
x
# It seems to me that it would be fairly easy to simply pull both triggers
# at once.
-Perhaps so, but the way the jackbooted thugs of the BATFE look at
# at once.
-things, that distinction doesn't much matter - if it *CAN* send
-multiple
-pills downrange with one trigger pull, then it *IS* a machine gun.
-Doesn't matter if it's "supposed to be" fired in a "one trigger
pull/one
-bang" mode - since, apparently, it *CAN* be fired (however
ill-advised,
-warned against, or otherwise discouraged such use might be) in a
"pull
-the trigger once, send two bullets downrange" mode, it's a machine
gun.
Same goes if it can be converted to multiple firings "within a
reasonable amount of time. I've heard within eight hours as a rule of
thumb. Considering that it might be possible to convert the axle of
GM car into a "machine gun" in eight hours - does that make Government
Motors an unliscensed manufacturer of Class III firearms?
-End of discussion so far as BATFE is concerned.
-
-Stupid? Sure. But remember, this is the same brain-dead outfit that
-holds the position that *A LOOP OF STRING* in the case your Ruger
10/22
-is parked in is a machine gun.
--
pyotr filipivich
Murff
May 16, 2012, 2:06:17 PM5/16/12
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On Wed, 16 May 2012 03:18:27 +0000, Don Bruder wrote:
# if it *CAN* send multiple
# pills downrange with one trigger pull, then it *IS* a machine gun.
# Doesn't matter if it's "supposed to be" fired in a "one trigger pull/one
# bang" mode
Excuse me for being dense... but what about double-trigger shotguns ?
Murff...
# if it *CAN* send multiple
# pills downrange with one trigger pull, then it *IS* a machine gun.
# Doesn't matter if it's "supposed to be" fired in a "one trigger pull/one
# bang" mode
Excuse me for being dense... but what about double-trigger shotguns ?
Murff...
Peter Franks
May 16, 2012, 4:39:22 PM5/16/12
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On 5/16/2012 11:06 AM, Murff wrote:
# # pills downrange with one trigger pull, then it *IS* a machine gun.
# # Doesn't matter if it's "supposed to be" fired in a "one trigger pull/one
# # bang" mode
#
# Excuse me for being dense... but what about double-trigger shotguns ?
Exactly. One of which I own...
Now, if I put one finger on the forward trigger, and rest another finger
on the rear trigger, and deliberately pull the front trigger which
presses on my second finger resting on the rear trigger and both
chambers fire, I guess my second finger is effectively a machine gun
since 2 rounds were fired with one trigger pull.
# On Wed, 16 May 2012 03:18:27 +0000, Don Bruder wrote:
#
# # if it *CAN* send multiple
#
# # pills downrange with one trigger pull, then it *IS* a machine gun.
# # Doesn't matter if it's "supposed to be" fired in a "one trigger pull/one
# # bang" mode
#
# Excuse me for being dense... but what about double-trigger shotguns ?
Exactly. One of which I own...
Now, if I put one finger on the forward trigger, and rest another finger
on the rear trigger, and deliberately pull the front trigger which
presses on my second finger resting on the rear trigger and both
chambers fire, I guess my second finger is effectively a machine gun
since 2 rounds were fired with one trigger pull.
Joe Pfeiffer
May 16, 2012, 5:49:50 PM5/16/12
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Peter Franks <peter....@cox.net> writes:
# On 5/16/2012 11:06 AM, Murff wrote:
# # On Wed, 16 May 2012 03:18:27 +0000, Don Bruder wrote:
# #
# # # if it *CAN* send multiple
# # # pills downrange with one trigger pull, then it *IS* a machine gun.
# # # Doesn't matter if it's "supposed to be" fired in a "one trigger pull/one
# # # bang" mode
# #
# # Excuse me for being dense... but what about double-trigger shotguns ?
#
# Exactly. One of which I own...
#
# Now, if I put one finger on the forward trigger, and rest another finger
# on the rear trigger, and deliberately pull the front trigger which
# presses on my second finger resting on the rear trigger and both
# chambers fire, I guess my second finger is effectively a machine gun
# since 2 rounds were fired with one trigger pull.
If I understood the description correctly, it's possible to fire both
barrels of the 2011 by pulling one of the triggers -- that's two shots
from one trigger pull.
If you've got one trigger on each barrel, and you pull them with two
fingers, that's still two pulls.
Hmm, do you figure tying a string between the triggers would count as
illegally converting the shotgun to a machine gun? As I understand the
rules, probably...
# On 5/16/2012 11:06 AM, Murff wrote:
# # On Wed, 16 May 2012 03:18:27 +0000, Don Bruder wrote:
# #
# # # if it *CAN* send multiple
# # # pills downrange with one trigger pull, then it *IS* a machine gun.
# # # Doesn't matter if it's "supposed to be" fired in a "one trigger pull/one
# # # bang" mode
# #
# # Excuse me for being dense... but what about double-trigger shotguns ?
#
# Exactly. One of which I own...
#
# Now, if I put one finger on the forward trigger, and rest another finger
# on the rear trigger, and deliberately pull the front trigger which
# presses on my second finger resting on the rear trigger and both
# chambers fire, I guess my second finger is effectively a machine gun
# since 2 rounds were fired with one trigger pull.
If I understood the description correctly, it's possible to fire both
barrels of the 2011 by pulling one of the triggers -- that's two shots
from one trigger pull.
If you've got one trigger on each barrel, and you pull them with two
fingers, that's still two pulls.
Hmm, do you figure tying a string between the triggers would count as
illegally converting the shotgun to a machine gun? As I understand the
rules, probably...
Don Bruder
May 17, 2012, 11:07:57 AM5/17/12
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In article <jp0qao$2e8$1...@news.albasani.net>, Murff <mu...@warlock.org>
wrote:
# On Wed, 16 May 2012 03:18:27 +0000, Don Bruder wrote:
#
# # if it *CAN* send multiple
# # pills downrange with one trigger pull, then it *IS* a machine gun.
# # Doesn't matter if it's "supposed to be" fired in a "one trigger pull/one
There's a specific exemption for those, tho I can't quote chapter and
verse.
wrote:
# On Wed, 16 May 2012 03:18:27 +0000, Don Bruder wrote:
#
# # pills downrange with one trigger pull, then it *IS* a machine gun.
# # Doesn't matter if it's "supposed to be" fired in a "one trigger pull/one
# # bang" mode
#
# Excuse me for being dense... but what about double-trigger shotguns ?
#
There's a specific exemption for those, tho I can't quote chapter and
verse.
Louis Boyd
May 18, 2012, 7:55:51 AM5/18/12
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Don Bruder wrote:
# In article <jp0qao$2e8$1...@news.albasani.net>, Murff <mu...@warlock.org>
# wrote:
#
# # # Doesn't matter if it's "supposed to be" fired in a "one trigger pull/one
# # # bang" mode
# There's a specific exemption for those, tho I can't quote chapter and
# verse.
No need for a specific exemption. It's still one trigger pull per
barrel per finger and it's not an autoloader. There is no law against
pulling two triggers with two fingers simultaneously.
# In article <jp0qao$2e8$1...@news.albasani.net>, Murff <mu...@warlock.org>
# wrote:
#
# # On Wed, 16 May 2012 03:18:27 +0000, Don Bruder wrote:
# #
# # # if it *CAN* send multiple
# # # pills downrange with one trigger pull, then it *IS* a machine gun.
# #
# # # if it *CAN* send multiple
# # # Doesn't matter if it's "supposed to be" fired in a "one trigger pull/one
# # # bang" mode
# #
# # Excuse me for being dense... but what about double-trigger shotguns ?
#
# # Excuse me for being dense... but what about double-trigger shotguns ?
# There's a specific exemption for those, tho I can't quote chapter and
# verse.
No need for a specific exemption. It's still one trigger pull per
barrel per finger and it's not an autoloader. There is no law against
pulling two triggers with two fingers simultaneously.
Murff
May 18, 2012, 7:55:58 AM5/18/12
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On Thu, 17 May 2012 15:07:57 +0000, Don Bruder wrote:
# In article <jp0qao$2e8$1...@news.albasani.net>, Murff <mu...@warlock.org>
# wrote:
# #
# In article <jp0qao$2e8$1...@news.albasani.net>, Murff <mu...@warlock.org>
# wrote:
# #
# # Excuse me for being dense... but what about double-trigger shotguns ?
#
# There's a specific exemption for those, tho I can't quote chapter and
# verse.
Before I got it fixed, my Baikal 27 had the entertaining occasional habit
#
# There's a specific exemption for those, tho I can't quote chapter and
# verse.
that if you squeezed the trigger without taking off the safety, took off
the safety and then squeezed the trigger again, it would discharge both
barrels simultaneously.
Fixed now. But I suppose that would have made me Bad.
Murff...
Don Bruder
May 18, 2012, 12:20:22 PM5/18/12
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In article <jp5dce$hrn$1...@news.albasani.net>, Murff <mu...@warlock.org>
wrote:
# On Thu, 17 May 2012 15:07:57 +0000, Don Bruder wrote:
#
# # In article <jp0qao$2e8$1...@news.albasani.net>, Murff <mu...@warlock.org>
#
# Before I got it fixed, my Baikal 27 had the entertaining occasional habit
# that if you squeezed the trigger without taking off the safety, took off
# the safety and then squeezed the trigger again, it would discharge both
# barrels simultaneously.
#
# Fixed now. But I suppose that would have made me Bad.
Dunno about *YOUR* case, but there was at least one I heard about
involving a worn/dirty/damaged/malfunctioning .22 rifle that had a
firing pin that would occasionally stick, resulting in a single trigger
pull sending anything from the expected 1, to half or more of what was
left in the mag downrange. I can't recall if the owner got slapped for
it or not, but the gun was definitely classed as an illegal machine gun,
and if memory serves, was confiscated as such by the BATFE thugs.
wrote:
# On Thu, 17 May 2012 15:07:57 +0000, Don Bruder wrote:
#
# # wrote:
# # #
# # # Excuse me for being dense... but what about double-trigger shotguns ?
# #
# # There's a specific exemption for those, tho I can't quote chapter and
# # verse.
# # #
# # # Excuse me for being dense... but what about double-trigger shotguns ?
# #
# # There's a specific exemption for those, tho I can't quote chapter and
#
# Before I got it fixed, my Baikal 27 had the entertaining occasional habit
# that if you squeezed the trigger without taking off the safety, took off
# the safety and then squeezed the trigger again, it would discharge both
# barrels simultaneously.
#
# Fixed now. But I suppose that would have made me Bad.
Dunno about *YOUR* case, but there was at least one I heard about
involving a worn/dirty/damaged/malfunctioning .22 rifle that had a
firing pin that would occasionally stick, resulting in a single trigger
pull sending anything from the expected 1, to half or more of what was
left in the mag downrange. I can't recall if the owner got slapped for
it or not, but the gun was definitely classed as an illegal machine gun,
and if memory serves, was confiscated as such by the BATFE thugs.
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