What caliber is 22 HP?
Animeniac
My brother bought a group of guns, and I am cleaning them up and trying
to determine what some of them are.
He has a Savage 1899 lever. The only markings besides the manufacturer
are 22 HP on the barrel.
It is centerfire with an internal magazine.
It has a straight lever and wrist. A small schnabel forend.
I will be poking around the internet, but this group has such broad
knowledge, I figured someone would know.
Thanks, JR
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Jim
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# He has a Savage 1899 lever. The only markings besides the manufacturer
# are 22 HP on the barrel.
It's chambered for the Savage .22 Hi Power.
http://www.reloadbench.com/cartridges/22hp.html
Gerald "Brick" Brickwood
..22 Savage High Power. Here's what the reloading Bench has to say about it:
..22 Savage High Power
(22 High Power)
Historical Notes:
Designed by Charles Newton and introduced as a commercial cartridge by
Savage Arms Co. in their Model 99 lever action rifle about 1912. The
cartridge was first called the "Imp". In the United States only Savage
produced a commercial rifle in this caliber, although a great many custom
rifles were made for it. In England the BSA Martini single shot was
chambered for it about 1912. In Europe it is known as the 5.62x52Rmm and has
been chambered in various drillings or combination rifle and shotgun arms.
The 22 Savage is based on the 25-35 case necked down. It has been obsolete
since the 1930's. Norma still manufactures ammunition in this caliber.
General Comments:
The 22 Savage High Power enjoyed considerable popularity through the early
1900's. Unfortunately, like some later high velocity 22's, it did not prove
very accurate in some lever action rifles chambered for it. The bullets then
available may have held some share of the blame. It was originally
advertised as a small game and deer cartridge, but it quickly proved to be
rather undependable for the latter. Nonetheless, the 22 Savage High Power
was used in Africa and Asia on such unlikely beasts as lion and tiger, with
some glowing reports on effectiveness. It is a perfectly adequate small game
and varmint cartridge, but no big game number by any standard. It has been
rendered obsolete by new and much improved modern cartridges such as the 222
Remington. For single shot rifles, most modern shooters prefer the 225
Winchester because of the availability of ammunition and cases, plus the
fact that the 225 uses standard .224" diameter bullets, as opposed to the
..228" bullets of the 22 Savage.
Tony W
# My brother bought a group of guns, and I am cleaning them up and trying
# to determine what some of them are.
#
# He has a Savage 1899 lever. The only markings besides the manufacturer
# are 22 HP on the barrel.
That's a .22 Savage High Power. Pretty much a .30-30 necked down to
.226"...
Tony
Frank S
http://www.cabelas.com/gun-inventory---scarborough---fine-rifle---1217450-1899sav-sca.shtml
Although this doesn't say either. It might be 22LR, which is higher power
then the 22 short or long
Just a thought
Frank
Bob Holtzman
# Here is one on Cabales
# http://www.cabelas.com/gun-inventory---scarborough---fine-rifle---121745
# 0-1899sav-sca.shtml
# Although this doesn't say either. It might be 22LR, which is higher power
# then the 22 short or long
Look again. The site says it is 22 hp. That means 22 hi power. Also, the
rifle is a 99 savage which has never been made in 22 rf (to my
knowledge).
--
Bob Holtzman
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Natman
<items...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
#Here is one on Cabales
#http://www.cabelas.com/gun-inventory---scarborough---fine-rifle---1217450-1899sav-sca.shtml
#Although this doesn't say either. It might be 22LR, which is higher power
#then the 22 short or long
No, it's a 22 Savage High Power. The 99 was never produced in 22LR or
any of its variations.
sta...@prolynx.com
# My brother bought a group of guns, and I am cleaning them up and trying
# to determine what some of them are.
#
# He has a Savage 1899 lever. �The only markings besides the manufacturer
# are 22 HP on the barrel.
#
# It is centerfire with an internal magazine.
# It has a straight lever and wrist. �A small schnabel forend.
#
# I will be poking around the internet, but this group has such broad
# knowledge, I figured someone would know.
#
# Thanks, �JR
#
# Anime arimasu ka? � �(Got Anime?)
#
Pretty much a standard model 99 then. .22 High Power is a Savage
proprietary round, hot stuff when it first came out. Like other
early .22 centerfires, the nominal bullet size is .228", not the now
standard .224". Brass and bullets are available from the specialty
suppliers, I'd have the thing gone through first by somebody familiar
with the 99, some of the early ones aren't that safe to shoot. They
changed the bolt and its locking seat shape later on to prevent action
cracking.
If it's in unaltered condition and hasn't been cleaned, buffed or
otherwise messed with, it can be worth some money to the right
collector.
Stan
John Kepler
# Here is one on Cabaleshttp://www.cabelas.com/gun-inventory---scarborough---fine-rifle---121...
# Although this doesn't say either. It might be 22LR, which is higher power
# then the 22 short or long
# Just a thought
You musta missed the part about the rifle in question being a Savage
Mod.99 huh! The 99 was NEVER offered in a RF, only centerfire
calibers!
The round is just what he said it is....a Savage .22 Hi-Power!
John
Bill J.
If you really want some ammo for it, Old Western Scrounger has new
ammo for it, loaded with 70gr. soft points, at $39.95 per box of 20.
It's kind of a lot for ammo, but it is a pretty rare caliber, as
others have mentioned. Their website is www.ows-ammo.com, though I
suppose the rifle is probably worth more to you as a collectible than
as something to shoot.
John Husvar
"Bill J." <nol...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...
Cheaper Than Dirt, among others, sells Sellier and Bellot. 5.6X52R is
the European equivalent. Shoots just fine in my old Savage 99F.
It surprised me a bit to learn that it is still a listed caliber in
Blaser's, a pricey riflemaker, inventory.
Bill J.
> ...
Ah. I did not know about the 5.6x52r. That's a nice little piece of
information to have.
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Natman
(Animeniac) wrote:
#
#My brother bought a group of guns, and I am cleaning them up and trying
#to determine what some of them are.
#
#He has a Savage 1899 lever. The only markings besides the manufacturer
#are 22 HP on the barrel.
#
#It is centerfire with an internal magazine.
#It has a straight lever and wrist. A small schnabel forend.
#
#I will be poking around the internet, but this group has such broad
#knowledge, I figured someone would know.
#
#Thanks, JR
It's a rimmed cartridge based on the 30-30 necked down. It is unusual
in that it does not use a regular .224 bullet, but a special .227
bullet available from Hornady.
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=190205
Norma offer$ factory ammo under its European designation, 5.6x52mm
Rimmed:
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=296607
Some more 22 Savage High Power info:
http://www.chuckhawks.com/5-6x52r.htm
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