.45-70 vs 45-90/45-110/45-120
Gary Lucas
I am waiting on a Shiloh Sharps 1874 rifle and am trying to decide what
caliber to order. I would like to shoot BPCR matches with the rifle, so I
have to keep the weight down to 12 lb. 2 oz. Anyone have comments on how
much worse the bigger .45 cal cartridges are compared to the 45-70 when
using black powder loads?
I used to have a Ruger #1 rifle in .458 Mag and it was very pleasant to
shoot with blackpowder loads. I don't want to beat myself black and blue
shooting the larger cartridges if the 45-70 will do the job for BPCR
shooting.
Appreciate any comments on this subject.
Gary Lucas
John Gross
Gary Lucas wrote:
#
# I am waiting on a Shiloh Sharps 1874 rifle and am trying to decide what
# caliber to order. I would like to shoot BPCR matches with the rifle, so I
# have to keep the weight down to 12 lb. 2 oz. Anyone have comments on how
# much worse the bigger .45 cal cartridges are compared to the 45-70 when
# using black powder loads?
#
# I used to have a Ruger #1 rifle in .458 Mag and it was very pleasant to
# shoot with blackpowder loads. I don't want to beat myself black and blue
# shooting the larger cartridges if the 45-70 will do the job for BPCR
# shooting.
#
# Appreciate any comments on this subject.
#
# Gary Lucas
Quoting from the _SPG BP Cartridge Reloading Primer_ by Mike Venturino
and Steve Garbe:
[45-70] "Both authors agree that if a man could have only one black
powder cartridge for both hunting and target shooting, it should be the
45-70."
[45-90] "It is unnecessarily powerful for black powder silhouette
competion, but comes into its own as ranges exceed 500 yards."
[45-100] "...the 45-100 is overly powerful for black powder silhouette
compettion and is more adapted to longer range buffalo or Creedmoor
matches."
[45-110] "As in the older days, the modern shooter mainly interested in
target work will be best served with a smaller case."
[45-120] "This round can only be described as giving brutal recoil when
loaded to its full capacity with 500 grain bullets and fired in rifles
of less than 12 pounds. Because of this recoil, the 45-120 has almost no
purpose for any sort of target shooting, but would work well for long
range shooting IF [emphasis in original] fired in guns of adequate
weight."
John Gross
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No Matter what his size.
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And I will Equalize.
Dan
On 12 Jan 1998 23:51:59 -0500, "Gary Lucas" <gar...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
~I am waiting on a Shiloh Sharps 1874 rifle and am trying to decide what
~caliber to order. I would like to shoot BPCR matches with the rifle, so I
~have to keep the weight down to 12 lb. 2 oz. Anyone have comments on how
~much worse the bigger .45 cal cartridges are compared to the 45-70 when
~using black powder loads?
~
~I used to have a Ruger #1 rifle in .458 Mag and it was very pleasant to
~shoot with blackpowder loads. I don't want to beat myself black and blue
~shooting the larger cartridges if the 45-70 will do the job for BPCR
~shooting.
~
Something else to consider is that .45-70 brass is available and affordable. If
you want to shoot the others then you will pay a lot more for the dies and brass
while becoming good friends with Dangerous Dave (The Old Western Scrounger).
.45-120 has some appeal to me but I would have to overcome my aversion to black
powder before going that route. .45-110 has some published data for smokeless
powder and may offer you a bit of variety for those times when you don't feel
like choking on smoke and sulpher fumes.
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jchapman
Stick to the .45/70 or 40/65. You can get cheap cases, and load it hot if
you really want to duplicate the big .45s. seat the bullet out and hold
on...
jim C
The 45/70
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Ken Marsh
Hi,
John Gross <confe...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
#[45-120] "This round can only be described as giving brutal recoil when
#loaded to its full capacity with 500 grain bullets and fired in rifles
#of less than 12 pounds. Because of this recoil, the 45-120 has almost no
#purpose for any sort of target shooting, but would work well for long
#range shooting IF [emphasis in original] fired in guns of adequate
#weight."
I want one.
Ken.
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Dale Anderson
On 14 Jan 1998 09:11:32 -0500, "jchapman" <jcha...@gatecom.com>
wrote:
#Stick to the .45/70 or 40/65. You can get cheap cases, and load it hot if
#you really want to duplicate the big .45s. seat the bullet out and hold
#on...
When loading for BPCR shooting (as specified in the original post),
one must use BP and generally seats the bullet to kiss the lands.
Since the case is full and the BP compressed, how could it be loaded
any hotter? Smokeless is not an option.
Venturino and Garbe have it right: if you only have one rifle for
BPCR, make it a .45-70.
Dale Anderson
Boulder, Colorado
da...@ix.netcom.com
Sawdog357
Where are there ballistics currently available for the .45/ 90, .45/ 110, and
.45/ 120? Furthermore, who is making guns chambered in these?
Gus Porterhouse, HMFIC of Zod S.K.W.A.D.D.
"Blowing it all up to make the world a better place."
John Gross
Ken Marsh wrote:
#
# Hi,
#
# #[45-120] "This round can only be described as giving brutal recoil when
# #loaded to its full capacity with 500 grain bullets and fired in rifles
# #of less than 12 pounds. Because of this recoil, the 45-120 has almost no
# #purpose for any sort of target shooting, but would work well for long
# #range shooting IF [emphasis in original] fired in guns of adequate
# #weight."
#
# I want one.
#
# Ken.
You are indeed a grande hombre macho!! <g>
JHG
Dante
Having a Sharps in 45-110 I can tell you the recoil is pretty stiff,
but it isn't any thing you can't learn to live with.
Jerome Bigge
On 14 Jan 1998 23:04:55 -0500, sawd...@aol.com (Sawdog357) wrote:
#Where are there ballistics currently available for the .45/ 90, .45/ 110, and
#.45/ 120? Furthermore, who is making guns chambered in these?
#
#
#Gus Porterhouse, HMFIC of Zod S.K.W.A.D.D.
#"Blowing it all up to make the world a better place."
Assuming the case heads are the same for all these calibers, youl
could have a gunsmith rechamber a Ruger SS for this. Brass on the
other hand might be serious problem.
Jerome Bigge (jbi...@novagate.com) NRA Life Member
Author of the WARLADY series of SF fantasy novels.
Download them at http://www.novagate.com/~jbigge
Freedom is WON with guns; eventually LOST with ballots.