8mm Match Bullets
peterw...@hotmail.com
match bullet in 8mm/.323 diameter. I am curious as to their intended
market. The new bullet is similar in weight and ballistic
coefficient(200 gr .530 vs 198 gr .568) to the old French Balle D
bullet used in the 8mm Lebel cartridge, so it would allow one to
approximate the performance of that load, but maybe not in a Lebel or
Berthier rifle, since their 8mm used a larger bore (.327?)
According to _Cartridges of the World_ 8mm used to be a popular target
rifle caliber in Europe, but I think they use 6, 6.5, or 7mm mostly
now for center fire matches.
Anybody here target shoot with 8mm?
Peter Wezeman
anti-social Darwinist
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Martin Eastburn
not a boat tail. My other manuals are in a different building.
Martin
Bill Smith
Real match bullets are hand made by guys like Bart Sauter, Randy
Robinette, Ronnie Cheeks and a couple of dozen others you've probably
never heard of. The best machine made bullets are probably Bergers
(closely followed by Sierra's match kings) and they don't make an 8MM
match bullet. Nosler makes fine hunting bullets, but I would be very
surprised indeed if this so-called "match" bullet was anything of the
kind.
Short range (out to 300 yards) group matches are dominated by the
6PPC, short range score matches are dominated by the 30BR, long range
(600 yards and beyond) are mostly won by the 6.5-284, though there are
other cartridges that have had some success.
If you're curious, try them, but your barrel has to have the right
twist rate to get the best results, not to mention a thousand other
little details.
Bill Smith
Giampingjack
yes here a lot of people in Italy own and use 8mm mauser also in target
configuration like k98 sniper and (much more) the m76 zastava
sta...@prolynx.com
# I saw in their new catalog the Nosler now has a 200 grain boat tail
# match bullet in 8mm/.323 diameter. I am curious as to their intended
# market. The new bullet is similar in weight and ballistic
# coefficient(200 gr .530 vs 198 gr .568) to the old French Balle D
# bullet used in the 8mm Lebel cartridge, so it would allow one to
# approximate the performance of that load, but maybe not in a Lebel or
# Berthier rifle, since their 8mm used a larger bore (.327?)
#
# According to _Cartridges of the World_ 8mm used to be a popular target
# rifle caliber in Europe, but I think they use 6, 6.5, or 7mm mostly
# now for center fire matches.
#
# Anybody here target shoot with 8mm?
#
# Peter Wezeman
# anti-social Darwinist
#
There's the Yugo Dragunov-alike in 8x57, also those folks that have an
8mm Rem magnum might be interested. Would be a hell of a long
distance bullet for a BMG with an 8mm barrel.
Stan
penultimate
In my neighborhood at least and for the last 15 or so years there has
been lots of organized, but very informal and not too competitive,
"military bolt action" match activity at all the clubs. Original WWII
or earlier era weapons with issue open sights are required, but
monthly matches are shot off the bench, rests allowed.
So this has been a convenient excuse for mostly us geezers that are
interested in milsurp weapons to get together, BS, burn up about 60
rounds of ammo once a month, and have fun without the pain of assuming
no longer natural body positions or even knowing how to shoot being
requirements for participation. This is far and away the most popular
organized rifle shoot at least several of the local gun clubs, far
outdrawing events for real marksmen. At my club, about 40 people were
active participants, most loading their own ammo, many of us enjoying
the excuse to frequently scare up and play with another fairly cheap
rifle. When you throw in load development and between match
"practice", it does not take too many clubs like mine to add up to a
fairly decent bullet market.
Not a lot of people shoot Springfield's because of their expense and
concern with wearing out an already valuable collectible. 8mm
Mausers, mostly Turkish, were, with Moisin's, among the least
expensive of available rifles and many were in quite excellent
condition. But nobody I knew, including myself, could get an 8mm
Mauser to shoot anywhere near as well as was the norm with a Swedish
Mauser using Sierra Match King bullets. As Bill Smith notes, Match
King's are not available in 8mm. In my Swede, Nosler 6.5mm Ballistic
Tips shoot as well as the Match Kings, but are pricier. I tried
everything that was easily available on the market then in 8mm with
several different 8mm rifles and finally gave up in favor of the Swede
which could shoot so much better than I can see.
Had Nosler had these bullets on the market at the time, I sure would
have tried a box. If it made one of my 8mm Mausers shoot worth a
darn, I would have bought a lot of boxes. So I am guessing that
geezer matches using old military surplus rifles are probably pretty
popular nationally and Nosler saw a niche market opportunity in 8mm.
Bill Smith
Ther are more than a few guys doing well at 1000 yards with a Swede. A
fine cartridge.
Bill Smith
peterw...@hotmail.com
Peter Wezeman
anti-social Darwinist
haraoi_conal
# What is a typical course of fire for one of these matches?
#
At the matches I attend in St. Johnsbury, VT the course of fire is
single load, slow fire only, 10rnds standing, 10rnds sitting/knealing
and 20rnds prone. This is also mostly for the older members, but I
enjoy it more than the regular high-power match. It lets me use my
Springfield with handloaded cast-bullet ammo and I can still be
competitive. Definetly a 'fun' match.
clarkm...@gmail.com
cheap when some old guy died and his ex son on law had no used for
them.
I got a 1" 5 shot group at 100m with a $50 1903 Turkish Mauser from
BIG5.
~ 2600 fps with 29" barrel, bulk 4895, and 40X scope.
steve
# Real match bullets are hand made by guys like Bart Sauter, Randy
# Robinette, Ronnie Cheeks and a couple of dozen others you've probably
# never heard of. The best machine made bullets are probably Bergers
# (closely followed by Sierra's match kings) and they don't make an 8MM
# match bullet. Nosler makes fine hunting bullets, but I would be very
# surprised indeed if this so-called "match" bullet was anything of the
# kind.
Nosler's match bullets as are good as and cheaper than the Sierra
Matchkings; and Sierra has been making the 8mm 200gr MK for years.