revolvers in bullseye competition?
Tom Reese
shooting and I'm interested in participating but my .45 is a single acting
Vaquero. I'm also working toward purchasing a Ruger Super Single Six.
Is it possible to participate in a Bullseye competition with those guns?
Would I be laughed off the course? I realize that most competitors use
semi-auto handguns with precise sights and that I would get my butt kicked
but I'd like to try it anyway.
Tom Reese
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Jack
action only. I do pretty well with it, so you should be able to compete
with your single action revolver. No one will laugh at you.
Jack
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"Tom Reese" <tom-...@home.com> wrote in message
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# Our local pistol range has infrequent Bullseye competitions. I'm new to
# shooting and I'm interested in participating but my .45 is a single acting
# Vaquero. I'm also working toward purchasing a Ruger Super Single Six.
#
# Is it possible to participate in a Bullseye competition with those guns?
# Would I be laughed off the course? I realize that most competitors use
# semi-auto handguns with precise sights and that I would get my butt kicked
# but I'd like to try it anyway.
JTWard01
#
#Our local pistol range has infrequent Bullseye competitions.
#I'm interested in participating but my .45 is a single action
#Vaquero. I'm also working toward purchasing a Ruger Super Single Six.
#
#Is it possible to participate in a Bullseye competition with those guns?
YES
#Would I be laughed off the course?
PROBABLY
John Ward
Brandon, Florida
USA
"CZ 75B, the best gun you've never heard of."
Rocky
Tom
You can find yourself handicapped with single action revolvers but I
did bullseye back in the 50's with a Ruger BlackHawk 357 in addition
to my other guns. It was a ball and I won my share of medals.There may
be some delays while you reload, but the other shooters will be at a
disadvantage if they allow that to distract them! The double action
revolvers were "King of The Hill" for man years in bullseye
competition and thre gun matches often saw nothing but wheel guns,with
.22, .38. and .45 calibers.
Go shoot and have fun. Thats what its all about and too many have
forgotten that.
Ol Shy & Bashful
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Paul Cassel
# Is it possible to participate in a Bullseye competition with those guns?
# Would I be laughed off the course? I realize that most competitors use
# semi-auto handguns with precise sights and that I would get my butt kicked
# but I'd like to try it anyway.
#
Nobody will laugh at you, but nobody will be using similar pistols as well.
I'd consider not doing it simply because timed/rapid strings are of 2 five
shot. This would make you have to reload and slow down the line. This may
annoy some folks, but it will more likely cause you anxiety as the line
awaits you. Thus you may not enjoy yourself. If you have a very mellow group
that doesn't mind (like my BE group) go ahead. Just remember, some of these
guys take things seriously and will do anything but laugh if you foul up
their timing.
Personally speaking, this is a b.s. attitude. Part of being a real BE
competitor is being able to maintain your accuracy under unforseen
circumstances, but I'm not everybody.
-paul
fred
they might laugh,,I tried it 10 minutes of slow fire ,easy,,2 rounds
of timed fire (20 seconds each) not hard to do,,,2 rounds of rapid fire
(10 seconds each) tough,real tough,,remember 1 hand hold,many shooters
still use open sights,, I use aimpoint red dots on my Browning 22 & S&W
52,if your serious you should try .22 rimfire bullseye with a semi
auto,then try centerfire,,here we do both and I found .22 better than
centerfire,,but then I shot the 22 better tthan the 38,cant get it
together in rapid fire like I can with the 22. Borrow a semi and you'll
see,anyone that shoots a 275+ with a S/A revolver impresses me
Leslie Swartz
No, you probably won't get "laughed off the course" because bullseye
shooters are generally way to polite for that. You are entirely correct to
assume that you will get your butt thoroughly kicked by absolutely everyone
else there, though.
Show up, pay your fees, and shoot the course. Personally, I would admire
your interest and spirit; welcome your presence and commitment; and probably
offer to loan you a gun for the next match!
Heck, you might even surprise yourself and others. Wasn't too long ago
that quite a few competitors shot BE pretty well with revolvers . . .
although with a SA, that Rapid Fire part is gonna be pretty tough!
One other thought- a BE match (even when well-run) takes durn near all
day. If you are loading your SA revolver one round at a time, this is
really going to hold everyone else up during the sustained fire stages.
Also, after each sustained fire string, you are going to have to clear your
weapon, and there is no easy way for the range officer to make sure you are
truly "clear." You should talk to the match director/range personnel in
advance before teh match to discuss procedures, and see if they can
accomodate you.
Steve
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# shooting and I'm interested in participating but my .45 is a single acting
# Vaquero. I'm also working toward purchasing a Ruger Super Single Six.
#
# Is it possible to participate in a Bullseye competition with those guns?
# Would I be laughed off the course? I realize that most competitors use
# semi-auto handguns with precise sights and that I would get my butt kicked
# but I'd like to try it anyway.
#
# Tom Reese
For a lot of years people competed successfully with wheel guns and there is
no reason you cannot do so now. I think the single six might be more
successful
than the Vaquero since it has adjustable sights and because of the light
recoil and
inherent accuracy of the 22LR. Remember there is a rapid fire stage where
you
need to get off 5 rounds in 10sec. That'll take practice, especially with
the revolver.
If memory serves, the Vaquero doesn't have adjustable sights and is
chambered in
0.45 Colt vs. 45 ACP. If, you don't hand load you are going to have to deal
with
more recoil than your competition. And, because of the case size of the 0.45
Colt
it is likely to be a less consistent round than the 45 ACP.
Having said all of that, remember that the object of the exercise is to have
fun and hopefully
improve your marksmanship. If you do choose to compete you will do that.
Every
competitor that I ever met on the firing line was friendly and helpful.
Ira
Dan Z
#Is it possible to participate in a Bullseye competition with those guns?
You bet. When I started shooting bullseye I only owned one handgun - a
586 S&W 357-magnum with 4" barrel. I bought cheap reloads in 38 special
at the local gun store and joined the competition. Eventually I broke
into the top half of the group, then into the top third. I got into the
top quarter before I finally bought a red-dot equipped 22 caliber for
competition.
I really enjoyed the looks of amazement when I thumbed back the hammer
and fired all with one hand during the rapid fire segment, while
outscoring 75% of the competitors!
You can have fun in any competition without having to have the "latest
hot set up." That's needed only if you are trying to get into the top
10%.
-dan-
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#Our local pistol range has infrequent Bullseye
# competitions. I'm new to shooting and I'm
# interested in participating but my .45 is a
# single acting Vaquero. I'm also working
# toward purchasing a Ruger Super Single Six.
#Is it possible to participate in a Bullseye
# competition with those guns? Would I be
# laughed off the course? I realize that most
# competitors use semi-auto handguns with
# precise sights and that I would get my butt
# kicked but I'd like to try it anyway.
Tom, yes you can use revolvers for Bullseye, and in the right hands,
they can be competitive.
If someone says anything to you tell them you're new and this is all the
equipment that you have, if they persist, just brush them off. 99% of
Bullseye shooters are great people, but there is that 1%.
Just last year a new match was formed and was shot at the Nationals at
Camp Perry Ohio. It was called the Harry Reeves Memorial Match and the
rules were you had to use a center fire revolver, because Mr. Reeves
used revolvers, and was very good with them. Just tell the Doubters that
you plan on winning the Harry Reeves match next year at Perry!
Now for your fist match, yes, you will more then likely get beat, and
get beat bad, but don't let it discourage you. Keep trying, ask
questions, and read this web site for tons of info.
Thomas
# shooting and I'm interested in participating but my .45 is a single acting
# Vaquero. I'm also working toward purchasing a Ruger Super Single Six.
#
# Is it possible to participate in a Bullseye competition with those guns?
Hi Tom, you have IPSA=Inter Practical shooting Confed= race guns, lots
of money, mostly 9,mm, (above 9 dosn't matter for scoring) out of my
league.
then is IDPA (inter defense pistol ass)ociation, (no comps, no ultra
high mags, behind the hip, all scores the same, but easier than IPSA.
next is CAS (cowboy action shooting) Four guns needed to play. A pair
of SA revolvers, a pump or da shotgun, a slide or lever rifle
chambered for a pistol cartridge. I'm only a plinker and take this
info from an article. My best fun is with my friends betting using a
dart league score sheet, " i bet i will hit more 10's with your 454
than you will' kind of betting. Good luck in your endeavor, Thomas, a
happy go lucky plinker. (CAS sounds like the most fun for my current
standing)
Jim Patterson
wrote:
##Would I be laughed off the course?
#
#PROBABLY
Why?
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shots in 10 seconds and that's hard to do with accuracy with any single
action revolver. No reason not to go and compete and have fun, though. I
doubt anyone would laugh at you. I rarely see this kind of arrogance among
bulleye shooters. Go, shoot, have fun and do the best you can. Good
shooting.
--
Fred
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"Tom Reese" <tom-...@home.com> wrote in message
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WVanhou237
#
#Tom
# they might laugh,,I tried it 10 minutes of slow fire ,easy,,2 rounds
#of timed fire (20 seconds each) not hard to do,,,2 rounds of rapid fire
#(10 seconds each) tough,real tough,,remember 1 hand hold,many shooters
#still use open sights,
That slow fire stage is 10 rounds fired in 10 minutes. And the timed and rapid
fire stages are 2 strings of five rounds each. Each string fired in 10 or 20
seconds respectively. That would constitute a National Match Course with
300 points possible. Targets should be scored after each 10 rounds. If you go
on to shoot a 900. You will shoot 2 slow fire stages back to back. Then 2
rapid fires. Then 2 timed fires.
If your club follows the NRA method, the first match you shoot will establish
you a rating. Then after that you will be competing within your classification>
#
#,anyone that shoots a 275+ with a S/A revolver impresses me
#
#
Back in the fifties and early sixties there were quite a few "old boys" that
had been shooting "wheel guns" all their lives. And a few of them were
Master class shooters. The real secret of shooting a revolver was the
ability to cock the hammer without shifting your grip. Large hands and/or
long thumbs was a must. I could well in slow fire but I couldn't even touch
the hammer spur without shifting my grip for T&R. So I concentrated on
s/a semi-autos.
There are a lot more smart-asses in this newsgroup than you'll find in
competition shooting. So, jump in and get your feet wet.
#
#
#
Bill Van Houten (USA Ret)
"No matter how hard you try, you can't throw a potato chip very far."
"Linus"
Lou Boyd
#
# tom-...@home.com wrote;
#
# #Our local pistol range has infrequent Bullseye
# # competitions. I'm new to shooting and I'm
# # interested in participating but my .45 is a
# # single acting Vaquero. I'm also working
# # toward purchasing a Ruger Super Single Six.
# #Is it possible to participate in a Bullseye
# # competition with those guns? Would I be
# # laughed off the course? I realize that most
# # competitors use semi-auto handguns with
# # precise sights and that I would get my butt
# # kicked but I'd like to try it anyway.
#
# Tom, yes you can use revolvers for Bullseye, and in the right hands,
# they can be competitive.
# If someone says anything to you tell them you're new and this is all the
# equipment that you have, if they persist, just brush them off. 99% of
# Bullseye shooters are great people, but there is that 1%.
#
# Just last year a new match was formed and was shot at the Nationals at
# Camp Perry Ohio. It was called the Harry Reeves Memorial Match and the
# rules were you had to use a center fire revolver, because Mr. Reeves
# used revolvers, and was very good with them. Just tell the Doubters that
# you plan on winning the Harry Reeves match next year at Perry!
#
# Now for your fist match, yes, you will more then likely get beat, and
# get beat bad, but don't let it discourage you. Keep trying, ask
# questions, and read this web site for tons of info.
#
# http://www.bullseyepistol.com
A few years ago one of our club members brought a Ruger "Old Army" ball
and cap pistol to a bullseye match. He had the pistol and 20 preloaded
cylinders (black power and lead ball). He shot in the top 1/3 of the
participants (he shoots expert with 45 & 22). There were a few grumbles
about the smoke but it wasn't a formal match. Most of us enjoyed it.
---
Lou Boyd
Don Ruedi
revolver for each of 5 shots in 10 seconds is a challenge. But don't people
using a DA revolver typically cock it for each shot? If so, what is the
disadvantage of SA over DA revolvers? Reloading, of course, is another matter.
Jambone357
beginners... I called and to shoot your first few matches you must have this.
well all my wife shoots is revolvers, and I shoot 1911 in USPSA/IPSC...her 625
shoots very accurate with handloads..and was thinking of this ...but..maybe go
find something else. Oh and it isn't the money, but the principle. I have shot
limited and revolver class in USPSA/IPSC, so it isn't like I am NEW to the
gun..just the paticular discipline
KEN
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In our area it is fine for a beginner to bullseye to shoot centerfire.
Webmarketing
# There's something I don't understand in this thread. Granted, cocking a
SA
# revolver for each of 5 shots in 10 seconds is a challenge. But don't
people
# using a DA revolver typically cock it for each shot?
No, that's the whole idea behind double action.
If so, what is the
# disadvantage of SA over DA revolvers?
Speed or less time between shots.
Reloading, of course, is another matter.
#
Fred
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flmflam
All I could say is to try, and see what happens. I'm sure you know the
course of fire by now, so start dryfiring, and time yourself. I've seen
some strange looking firearms on the Bullseye line before, so NO, you will
not be laughed off of the line for shooting a single action wheelgun.
In actuality, I see no reason NOT to try to do it. If you are a
competitor in Cowboy shoots, then this will be nothing but real good
practice for you to acquire. ANY shooting practice is a good thing. We
cannot get enough :-)
Go, and try, and have a great time. Once the range officer sees that
you are shooting a firearm that takes a little longer to reload during the
rapid strings, he will adjust his time accordingly. Anyone that would say
anything derrogative about your choice of firearms, obviously is distracted
from their 'game'. That is to your benefit.
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Our local pistol range has infrequent Bullseye competitions. I'm new to
shooting and I'm interested in participating but my .45 is a single acting
Vaquero
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Vince Yakamavich
Maybe for really informal bullseye, a SA would be acceptable. But the
"higher up: you get (ie. State Regional, National level) the more
tempermental the shooters. When the command to load is given, and everyone
else just slams home a fresh mag, and you're still there EXTRACTING your
cases, one by one. Well... you won't be making many friends. They'll just
refer to him "as that a$$hole with the SA."
Top competitors depend on a rythm. No body really likes to have their time
wasted.
I've found this to be especially true shooting (me as a Junior at Perry)
next to some Marine types.
Since Bullseye can be quite a "head game", having everyone pissed off at you
before you even start is no way to have fun. Not to me, at least.
My adivce would be "if you really want to play THAT game, get the right
equipment."
Just my .02
Rocky
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Vince
While part of what you say is many times true, other parts are not. As
a member of the USMC Distinguished Shooters Association and holder of
the US Distinguished Pistol Shot badge, coach of several lady shooters
who also became Distinguished shooters, those who are genuine good
shooters adapt to the conditions. Sure some may be real upset by a SA
shooter but others will think of it as just part of the shooting game.
The days when we played practical jokes on each other during big
matches are over. My favorite was when one of the nations best pistol
shots walked over to one of his team mates who was just as good,
dropped a raw egg in the guys shirt pocket and gave it a firm smack to
ensure it broke. Everyone thought it was great and a test of the
mental control to not let it interfere with the shooting. It nearly
destroyed some scores while others just grinned between stages and
kept an eye on their closest rivals to make sure they weren't carrying
eggs!!
I also recall when a couple young kids, brothers, showed up at the
California State Hi-Power Championships with an old Springfield 03 as
serious competitors. They shared the rifle and equipment since thats
all they had. No one gave them any heat for their mistakes or delays
and in fact gave them great encouragement and advice. Yes a few
shooters grumbled about it but none of the heavy hitters did that I
heard.
I've always admired match shooters for their courtesy and
considerations for new shooters ever since I broke in back in the 50's
and I haven't seen much to change my opinion except in the
international shooting sports. Those people tend to be elitists and
can be quite hoity toity with little tolerance for ANY change in the
routine. Good luck and success with your shooting efforts.
Rocky aka Ol Shy & Bashful
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On Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 9:03:12 AM UTC-6, Tom Reese wrote:
# Our local pistol range has infrequent Bullseye competitions. I'm new to
# shooting and I'm interested in participating but my .45 is a single acting
# Vaquero. I'm also working toward purchasing a Ruger Super Single Six.
#
# Is it possible to participate in a Bullseye competition with those guns?
# Would I be laughed off the course? I realize that most competitors use
# semi-auto handguns with precise sights and that I would get my butt kicked
# but I'd like to try it anyway.
Ask the club or range officer first. If they don't have a safety issue, go
right ahead. I've seen some very good shooters use revolvers, although they
were double action, and be competitive in their level. I used a S&W model k22
and model 19 for the .22 and center fire (.38 special) portions, respectively.
That was way back in the day. As has been mentioned by others, reloading a
single action might cause safety problems when making the line clear. (I don't
see the problem with loading.) Good luck.