Do you think llama is a good brand?

[Walther]

What do you think about the llama ,pistol 22/caliber
and 380 caliber.
please let me Know

[tgr...@flyer.us.dell.com]

In article <4vohg9$f...@xring.cs.umd.edu>,
"Walther" <a001...@airmail.net> wrote:
:What do you think about the llama ,pistol 22/caliber

:and 380 caliber.
:please let me Know

:

I had a Llama .380 for about 6 years, bought it new
in 1985. A friend also had one that was a number of years
older. The difference in quality was quite noticeable between
the two. The newer guns seem to be of much higher quality,
although there were a very few 'rough' spots, e.g. fairly
poor sights, one grip sideplate cracked after a couple of
years, the overall quality was quite good. The polish
and bluing on the slide was outstanding. When fed Winchester
380 Silvertips (85gr JHP) it functioned 100% perfectly,
I never ever had one of them misfeed, even when new, and they
were pretty accurate to boot. It was picky about handloads,
or anything with a wide open hollowpoint.

The older style Llama .380 had a pivoting link action much
like the Colt 1911, the newer one had a solid post for the
rear of the barrel and was a simple blowback operation (no
recoil operated linkage at all).

Never seen or shot one in .22LR.

Tom Grover
tgr...@flyer.us.dell.com
==
I don't speak for Dell.

[Ed Storey]

I've owned a .22 for over 30 years. Currently, it is very UNreliable. Missfires a lot regardless of ammo type or brand. Needs more force behind the hammer. A pretty little gun to look at though, but not use.

[Steve Dyer]

I've personal experience with only two LLAMA pistols. The first was
a .38 Super my dad purchased used. It was surprisingly accurate and
would reliably feed everything including 158 grain lead SWCs, but it
had a disturbing tendency to rip off two or three rounds full auto
unexpectedly. It went bye-bye. The second was a nice older .22
that shot well enough, but approached a 15% misfire rate due to
insufficient firing pin contact. I liked the little mini-1911
pistol well enough to keep it and let a local 'smith recontour the
firing pin, but the misfires never went away completely and I
eventually swapped the small Llama away. Not many years later I came
across an older like-new airweight Llama .22 in the box and wish I
had picked it up.

Steve

[William C. Kennedy]

Steve Dyer wrote:
#
# I've personal experience with only two LLAMA pistols. The first was
# a .38 Super my dad purchased used. It was surprisingly accurate and
# would reliably feed everything including 158 grain lead SWCs, but it
# had a disturbing tendency to rip off two or three rounds full auto
# unexpectedly. It went bye-bye. The second was a nice older .22
# that shot well enough, but approached a 15% misfire rate due to
# insufficient firing pin contact. I liked the little mini-1911
# pistol well enough to keep it and let a local 'smith recontour the
# firing pin, but the misfires never went away completely and I
# eventually swapped the small Llama away. Not many years later I came
# across an older like-new airweight Llama .22 in the box and wish I
# had picked it up.
#
# Steve
#
# In a word, no. But, "good" is a relative term. If you are choosing between a llama
and an RG, go for the llama. If you are choosing between a llama and a Colt, Ruger,
Smith, Browning, or any other major manufacturer, forget the llama. If you are looking
at something to throw in the bottom of your pickup tool box for the occasional shot at
a rat out by the corn crib, okay. If you are looking for something for the glove box
for the occasional self-defense against a carjacker, forget the llama.

Llama's will not stand up to continuous use, are not very accurate and only get worse,
are not well known for their reliability, and just don't measure up.

Good shooting,
Bill

[Dick DiVittorio]

I checked out the Llama Mini Max 45 when looking for a carry gun.
I liked the fact it was almost an officers clone. (I shoot a PO P14
in IPSC). The price wasn't bad at $285.00 NIB in Blue. But a comment a
friend made in an unrelated conversation hit home "if we were to walk
up to a table and have our pick of all of the 45acp...I would pick up a
Colt".
Well so would I or maybe the Para Ord. Well if I am not going to cut
corners on my compitition gun WHY! then on my carry gun (it really
needs to be right). Well I got an Officers Model Stainless for $400.00
and am glad I did. Good luck with your choice.

Dick

[eli...@mail.bev.net]

In article <4vohg9$f...@xring.cs.umd.edu>,
# "Walther" <a001...@airmail.net> wrote:
# :What do you think about the llama ,pistol 22/caliber
# :and 380 caliber.

I've had 3 Llamas, all of them dogs, and all sold without regret. I had
the .22, the .380 (the locked breech model with swinging-link a la
M1911A1) and the big .38 Super. ALL of them needed shop work: the .22
was so soft the hammer and firing pin deformed with extended use and the
gun wouldn't fire; the .380 did the same, and the .38 Super developed an
incurable hammer-rides-the-slide-problem that seemed to require
replacing half the internal parts.

These were all older guns, dating from no later than 1974 or so. YMMV,
but personally the next Llama **I** own, new or not, will be the kind
that eats grass. I wouldn't take a shooting Llama as a gift.

The Elitist

[Steven O'dell]

For what it's worth, I've had a Llama compact .45 for about four years
now, so it's one of the newer made ones. It's a pretty decent gun, and
seems to be holding up very well to steady use with reloaded 230 grain
bullets. I think most of the problem with Llama's is really in the past,
kind of lik Astra and Taurus had to overcome. They aren't a bad gun
nowadays.

Shoot Safe,
Steve O'Dell

[Amen]

In article <512ckj$10...@usenetw1.news.prodigy.com>, GPL...@prodigy.com (Steven O'dell) says:
#
#For what it's worth, I've had a Llama compact .45 for about four years
#now, so it's one of the newer made ones. It's a pretty decent gun, and
#seems to be holding up very well to steady use with reloaded 230 grain
#bullets. I think most of the problem with Llama's is really in the past,
#kind of lik Astra and Taurus had to overcome. They aren't a bad gun
#nowadays.
#
#Shoot Safe,
#Steve O'Dell
#
#

The new generation of Llama .45 is truly excellent buy for the money, especially
for people using it for self defense only. It comes with whistles and bells
that you have to pay gunsmith extra to add on aftermarket if you buy a Colt 1911.