Dr. Watson's Revolver
Edward M Hass
I know about it is that it's a top break action, and would have to date from
mid 1940 or before.
Does anyone have an idea of what this might be, and what the price for one
would be today?
Thanks,
Edward Hass
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Mr Apol
Holmes stories were written, would probably have carried a Webley revolver in
caliber .450. The short barreled "bulldog" model was based on the Royal Irish
Constabulary (RIC) Webley. These were sturdy topbreak six-shooters , often with
bird's head grips and 2 or 3 inch barrels. Since Watson had been in the Army,
and Webleys were popular accessories for officers, I feel sure he would have
owned one.
The movies probably equipped him with the same gun, though it could also have
been a Webley Mark VI (.455 caliber), or even a Mark IV (.38/200 caliber).
Paul Thompson
David Bayendor
judging by the description of the top-break action. I would not be able to
hazard a guess at caliber or model, or what one would cost today. My local
gun store had one at one point, if they still have it I will post the data.
Paul Cassel
years. I thought the Webleys were after this time, but I'm no expert. I've
often wondered what the type of revolver it was.
-Paul
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I recall it being mentioned as a Webley,
although I don't think the
caliber was ever mentioned. I believe it
was in one of the Nigel & Basil
episodes...
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I believe Dr. Watson"s wheel gun was a webley, He referred to it as a
"service pistol" Watson was portrayed to have served in india before
meeting Holmes. Sadly, hollywood portrayed Watson (Nigel Bruce) as a
doddering, tweedy old pipe smoking firebug. The books by Arthur C
Doyle (sp?) don't show him as such.
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Paul Baechler
# I don't know about the movies, but the "real" Dr. Watson, at the time the
# Holmes stories were written, would probably have carried a Webley revolver in
# caliber .450. The short barreled "bulldog" model was based on the Royal Irish
# Constabulary (RIC) Webley. These were sturdy topbreak six-shooters ,
often with
# bird's head grips and 2 or 3 inch barrels. Since Watson had been in the Army,
# and Webleys were popular accessories for officers, I feel sure he would have
# owned one.
The RIC, and the "bulldog", Webleys were solid frame rod ejection
revolvers, not topbreaks.
John Briggs
#I don't know about the movies, but the "real" Dr. Watson, at the time the
#Holmes stories were written, would probably have carried a Webley revolver in
#caliber .450. The short barreled "bulldog" model was based on the Royal Irish
#Constabulary (RIC) Webley. These were sturdy topbreak six-shooters , often with
#bird's head grips and 2 or 3 inch barrels. Since Watson had been in the Army,
#and Webleys were popular accessories for officers, I feel sure he would have
#owned one.
The RIC Webley's were double-action solid-frame revolvers (originally
in .442) with a loading gate on the right side. They were made from
about 1867 until 1883 (I think) and while changes were made to the
design I do not believe a top-break model ever was produced.
There were short-barrelled top-break Webley-Pryse models in .455, and
Webley made various double-action solid-frame Bulldogs in the late
19th century, too, that would have fit into a pocket and the
approximate timeframe. (Charles Guiteau used a Webley Bulldog to
assassinate President Garfield in 1881.)
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#years. I thought the Webleys were after this time, but I'm no expert. I've
#often wondered what the type of revolver it was.
I believe Webley was in business long before 1880. I an pretty sure I have
seen MkIs with dates in the late 1880's.
grsjax
Seafin 41
was a boy) Watson had an Adams, but I cannot be sure.
Paul Cassel
wonder if there is a S.H. web site or ng. I'll look. If I find something,
I'll ask and tell the group what I've found out.
-Paul
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actual make I don't know. The movie version was
nearly always a Webley of some type or another.
I've always wanted to fire a .577 trentor myself.
That big .577 minie at 4ooto 500 fps must have had
some stopping power.
OldTownSta
I know the guy what owns Conan Doyle's revolver. As this is probably the one
that was sitting on his desk when he wrote the Holmes stories, it is probably
the one he had in mind when he described Dr. Watson's service revolver.
The bad news -- I can't remember the make & model. Doubtless a Webley of some
sort tho.
The good news -- I'll see the owner at a gun show next weekend, and will try to
remember to ask him.
Stand by & I'll report back.
Jim
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OldTownSta
Doyle's revolver -- doubtless the model for Watson's gun.
Will ask him & report back w/ make & model.
Jim
DL
Please forgive my curiosity, but I am Conan Dolye fan myself.
HOW IN HEAVENS DID THIS GUY GET CONAN DOYLE'S GUN??!!!!!
How is it documented?
My curiosity is terribly excited
Daniel
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Peter Smith
making single action farm implements!
Seriously though, the first Service issue Webley was the Mark I 0.455" which
was approved for issue in 1890. Before that time Watson's "old Service
revolver" would have been an Adams, Enfield or Tranter if it was Government
issue. However, officers normally purchased their own revolver, and he
could have had an earlier solid frame or break open Webley.
Peter (I collect Webleys)
Byron
. Before that time Watson's "old Service
#issue. However, officers normally purchased their own revolver, and he
#could have had an earlier solid frame or break open Webley.
To the best of my knowledge Dr.. Watson's revolver was his service revolver
from his India tours.
It was an Adams No. 2 in .450 Adams. The gun was adopted by the British Army
in about 1868 or so.
The gun was a double action 5 shot revolver.
The .450 Adams shot a 225 Gr. RN lead bullet in front of about 13 Gr. of
FFFg. A very anemic load, soon replaced by the .455 Webley, a much larger
gun.
BTW: Holms himself was known to affect the Colt's Single Action Army,
(1873), in .45 Colt.
Byron, in Austin, Texas
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always in .44 or .45 caliber. Wish I could remember which book.
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"Byron" <bdk...@email.msn.com> wrote:
# BTW: Holms himself was known to affect the Colt's Single Action Army,
# (1873), in .45 Colt.
Is there any truth to the rumor that Holmes's gun shot 2-3 inches to the
left, so that if anyone ever took it from him, he had a chance at avoiding
the bullet and getting it back?
Thought I'd read that somewhere...
Chip
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