Reloaded 45 ACP Ammunition
Courtney
A friend of mine has 1,000 rounds of reloaded 45 ACP for sale:
1) What's a fair price for it?
2) What's a good way for him to sell it?
The particulars include; Remington 185 Grain Full Metal Jacket
Truncated Cone, Hodgdon Titegroup, Federal primers and once-fired
brass.
Thanks!
-Courtney (another satisfied rec.guns user)
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# Quick question:
#
# A friend of mine has 1,000 rounds of reloaded 45 ACP for sale:
# 1) What's a fair price for it?
# 2) What's a good way for him to sell it?
Charge enough to cover the liability insurance he should have.
David
WangoTango
says...
# Quick question:
#
# A friend of mine has 1,000 rounds of reloaded 45 ACP for sale:
# 1) What's a fair price for it?
# 2) What's a good way for him to sell it?
#
# The particulars include; Remington 185 Grain Full Metal Jacket
# Truncated Cone, Hodgdon Titegroup, Federal primers and once-fired
# brass.
#
Selling reloads is NEVER a good idea.
Besides the liability issue, you might run afowl of the law if this
pushes the reloader into the realm of being a manufacturer.
nord...@yahoo.com
# # 2) What's a good way for him to sell it?
#
# Charge enough to cover the liability insurance he should have.
+1!
When it comes to privately made reloads one should paraphrase Benjamin
Franklin, "Neither a seller nor a purchaser be."
Larry The Snake Guy
# Charge enough to cover the liability insurance he should have.
Plus enough to get the FFL he needs, especially now that you've
announced his intentions in a global forum that the BATF would be
silly not to monitor... :)
(Assuming you're talking about rounds he loaded himself.)
Bob Bethune
his lawn, and sell the primed brass and the bullets, preferably
separately. Even at that I don't think
he'd be fully out of the woods from a liability point of view.
I would invite all my 45 ACP-shooting friends to the range for a
wonderful day of shooting and camaraderie with pizza and sodas,
followed by an adjournment to everybody's favorite watering hole. Get
everybody to chip in for range fees and food. In other words, go for
psychic rather than monetary income.
Bill Swafford
<dbi...@wi.rr.com> wrote:
#Courtney wrote:
## Quick question:
##
## A friend of mine has 1,000 rounds of reloaded 45 ACP for sale:
## 1) What's a fair price for it?
## 2) What's a good way for him to sell it?
#
#Charge enough to cover the liability insurance he should have.
Why does he need liability insurance? Can you provide even one
example of a legitimate lawsuit regarding reloaded ammo?
Bill Swafford
<courtn...@gmail.com> wrote:
#Quick question:
#
#A friend of mine has 1,000 rounds of reloaded 45 ACP for sale:
#1) What's a fair price for it?
#2) What's a good way for him to sell it?
1) $0.10 / round
2) Put an ad in the paper?
Bill Swafford
<ldfi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
#On Jul 3, 8:42 am, "David R.Birch" <dbi...@wi.rr.com> wrote:
## Charge enough to cover the liability insurance he should have.
#
#Plus enough to get the FFL he needs, especially now that you've
#announced his intentions in a global forum that the BATF would be
#silly not to monitor... :)
#(Assuming you're talking about rounds he loaded himself.)
Huh? Since when does one need an FFL to sell ammo? Heck with guys
like you spreading misinformation, Obama doesn't even need to pass
more laws.
Bill Swafford
<asga...@mindspring.com> wrote:
#In article <h2kncg$3c9$1...@news.albasani.net>, courtn...@gmail.com
#says...
## Quick question:
##
## A friend of mine has 1,000 rounds of reloaded 45 ACP for sale:
## 1) What's a fair price for it?
## 2) What's a good way for him to sell it?
##
## The particulars include; Remington 185 Grain Full Metal Jacket
## Truncated Cone, Hodgdon Titegroup, Federal primers and once-fired
## brass.
##
#
#Selling reloads is NEVER a good idea.
Why not? Can you provide even one real example of when selling
reloads was a bad idea?
#Besides the liability issue, you might run afowl of the law if this
#pushes the reloader into the realm of being a manufacturer.
For 1,000 rounds? First of all the OP never said the guy reloaded it.
For someone to be a manufacturer, they must:
a) manufacture the ammo,
b) be a person who devotes time, attention, and labor to manufacturing
ammunition as a regular course of trade or business with the principal
objective of livelihood and profit through the sale or distribution of
the ammunition manufactured;
How do you figure that even if the OP's buddy were the guy who
reloaded the ammo would fall into the category of "regular course of
trade" or "principal objective of livelihood and profit" for 1,000
rounds? That doesn't pass the giggle test, or the ROTFLMAO test.
The only thing greater than the liberals hysterical fear of firearms
is the hysterical fear of the laws from supposedly pro-firearms folks.
In both cases, ignorance is the problem.
Courtney
#
#Selling reloads is NEVER a good idea.
#pushes the reloader into the realm of being a manufacturer.
I appreciate everyone's quick response and viewpoints - well spoken.
The solution was found; I bought it for $200; it was made on my press
and I know the components that went into it...
Have a WONDERFUL Independence Day!
-Courtney (another satisfied rec.guns user)
Bill Swafford
<poi...@comcast.net> wrote:
#I suppose he could break it all down, use the powder for fertilizer on
#his lawn, and sell the primed brass and the bullets, preferably
#separately. Even at that I don't think
# he'd be fully out of the woods from a liability point of view.
Can you provide anything to support your above claim? Can you provide
reference to even one legitimate lawsuit which was based on someone
selling a small quantity of reloads? Any legitimate cases of where a
lawsuit was files over the sale of bullets?
Why the fear mongering Bob?
#I would invite all my 45 ACP-shooting friends to the range for a
#wonderful day of shooting and camaraderie with pizza and sodas,
#followed by an adjournment to everybody's favorite watering hole. Get
#everybody to chip in for range fees and food. In other words, go for
#psychic rather than monetary income.
And as the organizer of such an event, how would you be safe from
lawsuits under the hysterical standards you profess above?
David R.Birch
# On Fri, 3 Jul 2009 12:42:05 +0000 (UTC), "David R.Birch"
# <dbi...@wi.rr.com> wrote:
#
# #Courtney wrote:
# ## Quick question:
# ##
# ## 2) What's a good way for him to sell it?
# #
# #Charge enough to cover the liability insurance he should have.
# Why does he need liability insurance? Can you provide even one
# example of a legitimate lawsuit regarding reloaded ammo?
Even an illegitimate lawsuit is going to send any profit to the lawyers.
David
Bob Bethune
of civil cases never get reported because they are settled out of
court.
Do I have to have personal first-hand knowledge of a person who
suffered the ill effects of walking off a cliff to know that it is
possible to suffer ill effects by walking off a cliff? Of course not.
Ours is a highly litigious society. Even if no such lawsuit has ever
been filed, there is nothing to stop someone from filing the first
one.
The logic of your question is fundamentally illegitimate. You are
taking the position that unless we can show that a case of this kind
has occurred, we cannot suppose that a case of this kind could occur.
This is a false position. You don't have to have personal knowledge of
a particular event having actually happened before one can make a
reasonable supposition that such an event could occur. It is a fact
that our society is highly litigious. It is also a fact that our legal
system puts very few barriers in the way of anyone who has any kind of
claim at all who wants to sue. In general, if a person buys a product
and is then injured by that product, the buyer will be allowed to sue
the person who made the product. That's the fundamental basis of
product liability in this country, and there are a great many product
liability suits of every level of justification.
People can sue. They might win, they might lose, but they can sue, and
the suit has to be defended. That's extremely expensive and time-
consuming. That's why liability insurance exists.
Consider also the very nature of liability and liability insurance.
You don't buy liability insurance to cover what you know to have
happened. You buy it against the unknown future, not against the known
past. It is perfectly conceivable that a person may be sued for
something that has not previously been the subject of a suit.
I think it's quite reasonable, at this point, to ask you to explain
why your reactions to this are so outlandishly combative. Does it
really matter so much to you that people happen to think that someone
selling reloads might incur liability? Is that really worth throwing
words like "hysterical," "fear-mongering," and so forth? Neither the
question nor the discussion should evoke any such response.
On Jul 4, 8:36�pm, Bill Swafford <skeet...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> ...
Larry The Snake Guy
# like you spreading misinformation, Obama doesn't even need to pass
# more laws.
One doesn't. One needs an FFL to "manufacture" ammo for sale. But
you're probably right that I assumed too much in thinking that the
original post made it sound like that was the case. If he made it for
himself and then decided that he didn't need it, then it's probably
technically legal. I would hope that he owns or owned a .45.
TimR
Is it common to buy reloads without knowing the provenance?
I have a bunch of shotgun reloads somebody left with me. I don't know
the original reloader, I don't know how careful he/she was. No way
I'm going to risk shooting them. Or selling them.
Now, if I knew who loaded them, and to what velocity, and trusted the
guy's skills, that would be different.
Simon Jester
<ldfi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
#On Jul 4, 8:36 pm, Bill Swafford <skeet...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
## Huh? Since when does one need an FFL to sell ammo? Heck with guys
## like you spreading misinformation, Obama doesn't even need to pass
## more laws.
#
#One doesn't. One needs an FFL to "manufacture" ammo for sale. But
#you're probably right that I assumed too much in thinking that the
#original post made it sound like that was the case. If he made it for
#himself and then decided that he didn't need it, then it's probably
#technically legal. I would hope that he owns or owned a .45.
Yup, the BATFE always sees these cases from the side of the offender.
It's not like they're out to punish gun owners as if they're common
criminals. Good luck with that if the ATF gets wind of this ammo deal.
It's not like they read this NG, so not the worry.
/sarcasm off
Bill Swafford
<ldfi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
#On Jul 4, 8:36 pm, Bill Swafford <skeet...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
## Huh? Since when does one need an FFL to sell ammo? Heck with guys
## like you spreading misinformation, Obama doesn't even need to pass
## more laws.
#
#One doesn't. One needs an FFL to "manufacture" ammo for sale. But
#you're probably right that I assumed too much in thinking that the
#original post made it sound like that was the case. If he made it for
#himself and then decided that he didn't need it, then it's probably
#technically legal. I would hope that he owns or owned a .45.
I too would hope that he owns a .45, since .45 is a good handgun
caliber, and I certainly enjoy shooting all my .45 pistols and
revolver. Not too sure why else you would hope that, since what guns
one owns or has owned certainly has nothing to do with their ability
to sell a small quantity of extra ammunition, (or a large quantity for
that matter).
Bill Swafford
wrote:
#On Jul 4, 8:36�pm, Bill Swafford <skeet...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
# > ...
#
#Is it common to buy reloads without knowing the provenance?
#
#I have a bunch of shotgun reloads somebody left with me. I don't know
#the original reloader, I don't know how careful he/she was. No way
#I'm going to risk shooting them. Or selling them.
Reloaded ammo flies off the shelves at gun shows. There are many
companies that sell reloaded ammo. So, the answer to your question is
yes.
#Now, if I knew who loaded them, and to what velocity, and trusted the
#guy's skills, that would be different.
How is it different with new ammo? Do you know who loaded them, to
what velocity and the machine operators skills?
Bill Swafford
<sjest...@yahoo.com> wrote:
#Yup, the BATFE always sees these cases from the side of the offender.
#It's not like they're out to punish gun owners as if they're common
#criminals. Good luck with that if the ATF gets wind of this ammo deal.
Yeah right, the ATF is gonna go after someone for selling a small
amount of extra ammo.
Exactly what laws are broken by selling ammo?
ToddP
#> Reloaded ammo flies off the shelves at gun shows. �There are many
#> companies that sell reloaded ammo. �So, the answer to your question
is
#> yes. �
Maybe, but a friend bought reloads at a gun show and blew up his gun.
So, it certainly is a legitimate concern.
#> How is it different with new ammo? �Do you know who loaded them, to
#> what velocity and the machine operators skills? �
Because commercial loaders employ a QA protocol that individuals
usually do not.
Simon Jester
<skee...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
#On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 21:45:48 +0000 (UTC), Simon Jester
#<sjest...@yahoo.com> wrote:
#
#
##Yup, the BATFE always sees these cases from the side of the offender.
##It's not like they're out to punish gun owners as if they're common
##criminals. Good luck with that if the ATF gets wind of this ammo deal.
#
#
#Yeah right, the ATF is gonna go after someone for selling a small
#amount of extra ammo.
#
#Exactly what laws are broken by selling ammo?
If it is reloaded ammo you must have a type 06 FFL, get caught selling
reloaded ammo and they might decide to make an example of you. That's
something that they (ATF) like to do.
Bill Swafford
<sjest...@yahoo.com> wrote:
#On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 02:06:43 +0000 (UTC), Bill Swafford
#<skee...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
##Exactly what laws are broken by selling ammo?
#
#If it is reloaded ammo you must have a type 06 FFL, get caught selling
#reloaded ammo and they might decide to make an example of you. That's
#something that they (ATF) like to do.
What is the source of your information that an FFL is required to sell
reloaded ammo? The way I read the laws, a type 6 FFL is required to
*MANUFACTURE* ammo. Manufacturing ammo is assembling components into
complete cartridges. Selling ammo is exchanging money for ammo which
has been manufactured. No FFL required to sell ammo whether new or
reloaded according to the ATF.
Here's a list of the types of FFL's:
Type 1 FFL is a Title 1 dealer or gunsmith
Type 2 FFL is a Title 1 dealer doing business as a pawnbroker
Type 3 FFL is a licensed collector of Curio & Relic (C&R) firearms
Type 6 FFL is a licensed maker of ammunition and reloading components
other than Armor Piercing ammunition
Type 7 FFL is a Title 1 manufacturer of firearms, ammunition and
ammunition components other than NFA, Destructive Devices and Armor
Piercing ammunition
Type 8 FFL is an importer of Title 1 firearms and ammunition
Type 9 FFL is a dealer in Title 1 firearms including NFA destructive
devices, but no other NFA
Type 10 FFL is a manufacturer of Title 1 firearms, ammunition and
ammunition components, including NFA Destructive Devices but no other
NFA, and not including Armor Piercing ammunition
Type 11 FFL is an importer of Title 1 firearms, ammunition and NFA
Destructive Devices, but no other NFA
Where do you see selling reloaded ammo on that list?
Bill Swafford
<todd.p...@gmail.com> wrote:
#On Jul 5, 10:06�pm, Bill Swafford <skeet...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
#
##> Reloaded ammo flies off the shelves at gun shows. �There are many
##> companies that sell reloaded ammo. �So, the answer to your question
#is
##> yes. �
#
#Maybe, but a friend bought reloads at a gun show and blew up his gun.
#So, it certainly is a legitimate concern.
#
##> How is it different with new ammo? �Do you know who loaded them, to
##> what velocity and the machine operators skills? �
#
#Because commercial loaders employ a QA protocol that individuals
#usually do not.
What are those procedures? Turn on the machine and walk away? Talk
to some reloaders, I'm sure you'll find that they take far more care
than that.
Rubaiyat of Omar Bradley
# Exactly what laws are broken by selling ammo? �
Unfortunately, historical experience has shown that some BATFE
employees have little regard for the law, or sometimes even common
sense. My favorite example is the original search warrant that was
issued before the Waco raid. One of the reasons given for the warrant
was 'Mr. Block stated that he observed at the compound published
magazines such as, the "Shotgun News" and other related clandestine
magazines'. Source http://www.jaedworks.com/shoebox/waco.html
sta...@prolynx.com
#
# <sjester...@yahoo.com> wrote:
#
# #Yup, the BATFE always sees these cases from the side of the offender.
# #It's not like they're out to punish gun owners as if they're common
# #criminals. Good luck with that if the ATF gets wind of this ammo deal.
#
# Yeah right, the ATF is gonna go after someone for selling a small
# amount of extra ammo. �
#
# Exactly what laws are broken by selling ammo? �
You have the tax laws(Pittman-Robertson Act excise tax at 11%). You
have manufacturing ammo for retail sale without a license(Federal rap,
you need the correct type of license, not a standard FFL). Plus
whatever state and local laws have jurisdiction. Technically illegal
but slides under the wire, usually, like a lot of other common
practices. Depends on how hungry the local feds are to make their
prosecution nut for the year. 10-20 in the fed's crossbar motel
doesn't look so good, particularly if the guy is dealing beyond
immediate family.
As far as liability, some posters kind of poo-poo this. The guy that
owned(past tense) Old Western Scrounger and supplied reloads for all
those old calibers lost a liability case and ended up selling his
company to make good. Navy Arms owns it now. You could easily lose
everything you own with an adverse liability judgement. I don't even
make ammo for relatives. They can use my equipment and pull the
handle with their components and me standing by.
You won't read or hear a lot about liability cases with ammo
companies, the insurance outfits tend to settle out of court. Part of
the settlement is that the parties won't talk about it or contact the
media.
Stan
Bill Smith
#
#Reloaded ammo flies off the shelves at gun shows. There are many
#companies that sell reloaded ammo. So, the answer to your question is
#yes.
FWIW, I've bought reloads from someone who reloads for a living and
had a double charge in one round, now I do my own and I'm very
careful. I wouldn't consider selling or giving my reloads to anyone.
It destroyed the magazine and, fortunately, I was trying some Hogue
finger groove rubber grips that day and they flexed to relieve the
pressure in the mag well without injuring my hand. People have had
wood grips break and severely lacerate their hand when this happens. I
did get a face full of hot powder residue and bits of molten brass. I
wear shooting glasses all the time and I now have a story to tell to
any fool who doesn't wear them.
Bill Smith
Tony
# On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 21:45:33 +0000 (UTC), TimR <timot...@aol.com>
# wrote:
#
# #On Jul 4, 8:36 pm, Bill Swafford <skeet...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
# # > ...
# #
# #Is it common to buy reloads without knowing the provenance?
# #
# #I have a bunch of shotgun reloads somebody left with me. I don't know
# #I'm going to risk shooting them. Or selling them.
#
# Reloaded ammo flies off the shelves at gun shows. There are many
# companies that sell reloaded ammo. So, the answer to your question is
# yes.
Odds are very good that those companies carry liability insurance.
# #Now, if I knew who loaded them, and to what velocity, and trusted the
# #guy's skills, that would be different.
#
# How is it different with new ammo? Do you know who loaded them, to
# what velocity and the machine operators skills?
The new ammo companies probably carry liability insurance also.
ToddP
@> What are those procedures? �Turn on the machine and walk away?
�Talk
@> to some reloaders, I'm sure you'll find that they take far more
care
@> than that. �
Like pulling every nth round and either test firing or pulling the
bullet and weighing the charge. I can't imagine ANY manufacturer of
ammo doesn't run tests against a statistically significant sample.
That would most likely be required by both insurance companies and the
government for any contracts.
Bill Swafford
<todd.p...@gmail.com> wrote:
#On Jul 6, 3:22�pm, Bill Swafford <skeet...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
#
#@> What are those procedures? �Turn on the machine and walk away?
#�Talk
#@> to some reloaders, I'm sure you'll find that they take far more
#care
#@> than that. �
#
#Like pulling every nth round and either test firing or pulling the
#bullet and weighing the charge. I can't imagine ANY manufacturer of
#ammo doesn't run tests against a statistically significant sample.
#That would most likely be required by both insurance companies and the
#government for any contracts.
Most reloaders test fire *every* single round, and many weigh *every*
charge.
WangoTango
# reloads was a bad idea?
in need of a good lawyer, real quick.
#
# #Besides the liability issue, you might run afowl of the law if this
# #pushes the reloader into the realm of being a manufacturer.
#
# For 1,000 rounds? First of all the OP never said the guy reloaded it.
For 1 round.
It is true that he never stated that 'he' reloaded the ammo, but it
wasn't stated that he wasn't either.
How about this :
Selling ammo you reloaded is NEVER a good idea.
Feel better?
Misifus
# On Jul 6, 3:22 pm, Bill Swafford <skeet...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
#
# @> What are those procedures? Turn on the machine and walk away?
# Talk
# @> to some reloaders, I'm sure you'll find that they take far more
# care
# @> than that.
#
# Like pulling every nth round and either test firing or pulling the
# bullet and weighing the charge. I can't imagine ANY manufacturer of
# ammo doesn't run tests against a statistically significant sample.
# That would most likely be required by both insurance companies and the
# government for any contracts.
#
When I was handling ammunition for the Air Force, we function tested 10%
of every lot of ammunition, annually. Obviously, some of the big item,
like 500lb bombs, were sent to Ogden, UT for function testing. The rest
we tested.
-Raf
--
Misifus-
Rafael Seibert
Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rafiii
home: http://www.rafandsioux.com
David R.Birch
# Most reloaders test fire *every* single round, and many weigh *every*
# charge.
You're being silly again.
David
Bill Swafford
<asga...@mindspring.com> wrote:
## Why not? Can you provide even one real example of when selling
## reloads was a bad idea?
#Selling reloads is NEVER a good idea.
#You can rationalize all you want, but YOU aren't the guy that could be
#in need of a good lawyer, real quick.
Using that logic, maybe I should just stay home, quivering, hoping
nobody will threaten to sue me because they don't like the color of my
house. Thanks, I prefer to live my life, standing up for what I
believe in. You are free to live your life as you see fit.
## #Besides the liability issue, you might run afowl of the law if this
## #pushes the reloader into the realm of being a manufacturer.
##
## For 1,000 rounds? First of all the OP never said the guy reloaded it.
#For 1 round.
#It is true that he never stated that 'he' reloaded the ammo, but it
#wasn't stated that he wasn't either.
I try to stick with the facts, not add whatever I can imagine.
#How about this :
#Selling ammo you reloaded is NEVER a good idea.
#Feel better?
That's better. I believe accurate information should be presented
rather than misinformation and scare tactics. Still not sure why
selling ammo I reloaded is never a good idea, you haven't really
provided any real reasons either. If one cares to, they can reload
ammo, get the proper licenses, pay the taxes, buy insurance and sell
ammo. What's wrong with that?
There are many successful ammo companies selling reloaded ammo,
producing a quality product. I'm curious, what is inherently
different about selling ammo using a used casing vs. selling ammo made
with a new casing? Or do you think nobody should sell ammo?
Bob Holtzman
# On Tue, 7 Jul 2009 17:13:30 +0000 (UTC), WangoTango
#<asga...@mindspring.com> wrote:
#
# ## Why not? Can you provide even one real example of when selling
# ## reloads was a bad idea?
# #Selling reloads is NEVER a good idea.
# #You can rationalize all you want, but YOU aren't the guy that could be
# #in need of a good lawyer, real quick.
# Using that logic, maybe I should just stay home, quivering, hoping
# nobody will threaten to sue me because they don't like the color of my
# house. Thanks, I prefer to live my life, standing up for what I
# believe in.
That sounds great right up to the time your facing 10 guys in the local
prison, all signing up to be your proctologist.
# ## #Besides the liability issue, you might run afowl of the law if this
# ## #pushes the reloader into the realm of being a manufacturer.
# ##
# ## For 1,000 rounds? First of all the OP never said the guy reloaded it.
# #For 1 round.
# #It is true that he never stated that 'he' reloaded the ammo, but it
# #wasn't stated that he wasn't either.
# I try to stick with the facts, not add whatever I can imagine.
#
# #How about this :
# #Selling ammo you reloaded is NEVER a good idea.
# #Feel better?
# That's better. I believe accurate information should be presented
# rather than misinformation and scare tactics. Still not sure why
# selling ammo I reloaded is never a good idea, you haven't really
# provided any real reasons either. If one cares to, they can reload
# ammo, get the proper licenses, pay the taxes, buy insurance and sell
# ammo. What's wrong with that?
.....> $ <.....
At that point you are a commercial operation and had better have the
cash flow to cover the " get the proper licenses, pay the taxes, buy
insurance". 1000 rounds isn't going to do it.
#
# There are many successful ammo companies selling reloaded ammo,
# producing a quality product. I'm curious, what is inherently
# different about selling ammo using a used casing vs. selling ammo made
# with a new casing?
They are commercial operations with the cash flow to cover the " get the
proper licenses, pay the taxes, buyinsurance" etc. Big difference
between them and a private individual pedalling a few rounds.
--
Bob Holtzman
If you think you're getting free lunch,
check the price of the beer!
Larry The Snake Guy
# If one cares to, they can reload
# ammo, get the proper licenses, pay the taxes, buy insurance and sell
# ammo.
I'd add "incorporate" to the list, but that's just me.
Simon Jester
<ldfi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
#On Jul 9, 7:52 am, Bill Swafford <skeet...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
## If one cares to, they can reload
## ammo, get the proper licenses, pay the taxes, buy insurance and sell
## ammo.
#
#I'd add "incorporate" to the list, but that's just me.
#From the ATF: http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/faq2.htm
(H4) Is a person who reloads ammunition required to be licensed as a
manufacturer? [Back]
Yes, if the person engages in the business of selling or distributing
reloads for the purpose of livelihood and profit. No, if the person
reloads only for personal use.
[18 U.S.C. 922(a) (i) and 923(a), 27 CFR 478.41]
(H5) Must a licensed manufacturer pay excise taxes? [Back]
Yes. Licensed manufacturers incur excise tax on the sale of firearms
and ammunition manufactured. See Item 17, �Federal Excise Tax� in the
General Information section of this publication.