Glock 19: cannot clear jam
Clark Magnuson
With semi automatic pistols, sometimes I put the slide in a vice with
wood protecting the slide from being scratches. With the barrel pointed
in a direction that will not hit or ricochet and hit anyone, I push
hard on the pistol frame.
The way this works is that only very strong men have the grip to pull
with more than 50 pounds of force on the slide, but even kids can push
with more than that on the handle.
If I get the barrel out, but the round is stuck, I pound it out with a
stick. [I don't like this either.]
If the case head breaks off, Cerrosafe poured in the broken case can
give me something to pound on.
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of kroil and placed it in a position that would let gravity help it seap
into the jammed bullet end. The next day I was able to pull the slide back
and eject the damaged round. The casing had hung up part way into the
chamber and mushroomed the remaining part of the case. This was with the
Wolf steel casing ammo which I have quite using in any event.
I don't know if this will work for you. I do remember how intimidating it
was trying to fix a gun in this condition. You probably should take it to
a gunsmith if you want to be safe.
Scott
Joe Portale
Don't screw around with this. Take it to a gunsmith. You have no way of
knowing of the fireing pin is stuck forward.
Tac
is a LOADED GUN!!! So keep fingers out of trigger guard and gun
orientated in a safe direction.
Try these in this order.
Try to "unhook" the extractor from the case rim while bringing back
slide. Use a couple non-marring tools (chopstick or a cuticle
pusher) and try to lever the extractor up off the rim of the round.
One tool will be the lever the other will be the fulcrum. When the
extractor is unhooked and the slide is back, punch out round with a 6"
piece of 5/16" wooden dowel rod from the muzzle.
Put the Glock in a vise (always be cognitive of DS one above), grip
up, after padding the jaws of course. Don't go nuts with the
pressure, but ensure the gun is in there firmly. Now pull the grip
rearward. You may be able to work it out this way. Always be
cognitive of DS one above.
Go to woods, wear a glove, put a tree between you and the Glock and
fire into the ground.
If you do find out what the problem is, take the time and post it for
posterity.
ts
<kevin...@verizon.com> wrote in message news:<anako4$ct2$1...@grapevine.wam.umd.edu>...
> ...
hamrdog
did. i CANNOT say i would recommend this, but it is what i did with a
Model 26.
i was using reloads (my own, but more on that later), and after about
three rounds from the mag, the slide failed to go completely into
battery. i couldn't budge it, and as you saw, you can't remove the
slide unless the trigger is pulled. now here's the "at your own risk"
part. i aimed the pistol down range and used a small section of 2x4
to tap the back of the slide until it went completely into battery. i
then fired the round. the brass failed to eject, and the slide again
jammed partially open. i again tapped the slide into battery, aimed
down range, and pulled the trigger. since this was an already fired
casing, nothing happened. i then pulled the slide/barrel assembly off
the frame. i put a wooden rod down the barrel and tapped the end of it
until the barrel and slide separated. i reassembled the pistol and it
is none the worse for wear.
what caused all this trouble was that i wasn't completely full length
resizing the brass. the base was just enough oversize that it was too
tight for the Glock chamber and got stuck when i forced the slide
closed. i now fully resize all my 9mm brass, and have never had this
problem reoccur.
like i said, USE AT YOUR OWN RISK. be careful you don't shoot
yourself or a bystander, and i don't recommend using a 2x4 to normally
force a pistol into battery. i also recommend using a case gage to
make sure your initial reloading setup is correct.
andy b.
On Mon, 30 Sep 2002 22:55:00 +0000 (UTC), <kevin...@verizon.com>
wrote:
Nick Hull
wrote:
# Just purchased a new G19 and a box of reloaded rounds, which I've learned
# isn't a good idea. I did not disassemble and lube as I should have.
#
# After familiarizing myself with the action, I chambered a round, dumped the
# clip and unchambered the round. After several iterations of this, I was
# down to about the 5th round in the mag when I did this...
#
# ....with a round in the chamber and the clip removed, I locked the slide
# back, thus removing the round. After inserting the magazine I then pulled
# the slide back just enough to release the lock and let it slam back home.
#
# Now a round is in the chamber and the slide will not come back. It will
# move back about a quarter of an inch but that's all.
#
# Short of firing the round, which I don't think would be a good idea, how can
# I get the round out of the pistol?
#
# I've tried removing the slide, but that doesn't work unless the trigger is
# in its back most position, which it is not.
#
# I cannot determine whether the problem is with extraction ( not enough force
# to
# remove the stuck round ) or with seating ( the round is not seated ). In
# any case,
# I believe the problem is with the round rather than the Glock.
#
# Thanks
#
# -Kevin
If the slide is fully into battery, firing is probably the easiest way to
clear the chamber. If it doesn't fire, then at least the Glock is
uncocked. If it doesn't 'click' it wasn't in battery and you still have a
problem.
My solution to rounds jammed in the chamber it to pull really hard, harder
than you can pull with 2 hands. To pull harder, pull with one hand only.
Put your thumb behind the top of the grip and wrap your fingers around the
slide so that when you squeeze it pulls the slide back. It won't move
far, but you only need a little and your hand has more power that way.
Getting someone with beefy hands to do it is even better.
--
Free men own guns - slaves don't
http://www.geocities.com/nickhull99
Arthur Erhardt
# Just purchased a new G19 and a box of reloaded rounds, which I've learned
# isn't a good idea. I did not disassemble and lube as I should have.
# After familiarizing myself with the action, I chambered a round, dumped the
# clip and unchambered the round. After several iterations of this, I was
# down to about the 5th round in the mag when I did this...
# ....with a round in the chamber and the clip removed, I locked the slide
# back, thus removing the round. After inserting the magazine I then pulled
# the slide back just enough to release the lock and let it slam back home.
# Now a round is in the chamber and the slide will not come back. It will
# move back about a quarter of an inch but that's all.
# Short of firing the round, which I don't think would be a good idea, how can
# I get the round out of the pistol?
Interesting situation.
1. Just in case something unexpected happens,
think about hearing protection and a safe direction to point at.
2. Assuming your right hand is your strong hand:
Grab the rear part of the slide with yor left hand, so that your fingers
are on the right and your thumb is on the left side of the slide.
3. In the same motion as if you're trying to hold the grip with your right
hand, slam your right hand into the grip while still holding the
slide with your left hand.
Be careful not to touch the trigger. If the above method doesnt help,
put the gun in a holster and bring it to a competent gunsmith.
I had a similar problem once, fortunately with an empty shell.
Regards,
Arthur
--
arthur dot erhardt at pit dot physik dot uni dash tuebingen dot de
*pgp key available* dg7sea
A physicist is an atom's way of knowing about atoms.
Turbinator
# I cannot determine whether the problem is with extraction ( not enough force
# to
# remove the stuck round ) or with seating ( the round is not seated ). In
# any case,
# I believe the problem is with the round rather than the Glock.
I have also had this problem with a Glock 19 and a Glock 21. The
problem is with the reloaded ammo.. the case is not fully resized and
is therefore causing some trouble. New unfired brass shouldn't have
this problem. What I discovered is that Glock 19's have really tight
9x19 chambers. Any ammo that is the least bit out of case gauge spec
will have trouble chambering smoothly. The solution is to fire
factory ammo OR case gauge all of your reloads before you try to shoot
them through a Glock.
Others have suggested ways to get that round outta there, I personally
like the one that involves a spray of lube and patience.
Turby
methuselah42
# isn't a good idea. I did not disassemble and lube as I should have.
#
# After familiarizing myself with the action, I chambered a round, dumped
the
# clip and unchambered the round. After several iterations of this, I was
# down to about the 5th round in the mag when I did this...
#
# ....with a round in the chamber and the clip removed, I locked the slide
# back, thus removing the round. After inserting the magazine I then pulled
# the slide back just enough to release the lock and let it slam back home.
#
# Now a round is in the chamber and the slide will not come back. It will
# move back about a quarter of an inch but that's all.
#
# Short of firing the round, which I don't think would be a good idea, how
can
# I get the round out of the pistol?
# I've tried removing the slide, but that doesn't work unless the trigger is
# in its back most position, which it is not.
# I cannot determine whether the problem is with extraction ( not enough
force
# to
# remove the stuck round ) or with seating ( the round is not seated ). In
# any case,
# I believe the problem is with the round rather than the Glock.
# Thanks
#
# -Kevin
Something similar happened to me with my Kimber, also with reloaded
ammo. There was no way in Hell I was going to mess with trying to forcibly
clearing a loaded gun so I took it to a smith.
What had happened, in my case, was that the OAL of the round was too big
and the bullet got jammed into the rifleings. Needless to say I went back
and took a very good look at my reloader adjustments.
Paul Saccani
wrote:
##
## I cannot determine whether the problem is with extraction ( not enough force
## to
## remove the stuck round ) or with seating ( the round is not seated ). In
## any case,
## I believe the problem is with the round rather than the Glock.
#
#
#I have also had this problem with a Glock 19 and a Glock 21. The
#problem is with the reloaded ammo.. the case is not fully resized and
#is therefore causing some trouble. New unfired brass shouldn't have
#this problem. What I discovered is that Glock 19's have really tight
#9x19 chambers. Any ammo that is the least bit out of case gauge spec
#will have trouble chambering smoothly. The solution is to fire
#factory ammo OR case gauge all of your reloads before you try to shoot
#them through a Glock.
Concur, that is very likely the cause of this problem.
#Others have suggested ways to get that round outta there, I personally
#like the one that involves a spray of lube and patience.
I would suggest a visit to the gunsmith is in order, but just to give you an
idea of how he might tackle the problem;
These kinds of jams are usually quite easy to clear, AFTER you have removed the
slide. Unfortunately, with the Glock, that will require easing springs by
pulling the trigger. In most cases, the round will not fire when out of
battery, even if the primer is struck. However, it might, and that is not
likely to be a good thing. So if you are not game to take that risk, things
become quite involved. You need to remove the rear cover of the slide, if the
slide can be brought back far enough to allow this. Use your thumb to prevent
the springs flying all over the place, then tip them out, if they will come.
You can then push the slide stop down, and the slide can be removed. The
striker will also be removed by this action.
It is then a simple matter to remove the action spring, and simply push the
barrel through the ejection port to remove it. The round will likely be jammed
in the chamber, and you might need to use a clearing rod on a firm surface,
grasping the barrel with a gloved hand (optional, dependant on your level of
daring/stupidity) to force it down, removing the round. The round should have
its bullet pulled after this procedure, or be destroyed, as quite dramatic
increases in pressure can happen with slight increases in seating depth in 9mm
Para.
--------------------------------
The problem is not unique to G locks', I recently dealt with a case in a Mauser
99 pistol. In the case of the Mauser, its action made stripping the slide
completely painless, and no special procedures were needed.
Gunsmith is your best bet, though. If you needed to ask, then you are unlikely
to have the skills needed to do this with best practice.
cheers,
Paul Saccani
Perth West Australia
specops
ask them about bringing a gun into the store with a live round stuck in the
chamber. I know a guy who took a pistol into a gunstore with a bullet stuck
in the chamber, their was a sign on the door " No loaded firearms" he called
the police and had the poor guy arrested so be sure you have permission to
bring it in and ask who you are speaking with.
Be safe,
SPECOPS.
fred
bring it to a 'smith,,,
Fred
John Floyd
diplomatic security. One thing that's always stayed the same over the
years:
If you need to ask HOW to do something, YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO IT.
Don't even make the attempt following someone's advice. Take the weapon to
someone who DOES know how to fix it. Remember Murphy's Law, that ugly head
rears when least expected.
"fred" <esp...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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Ernest Peltz
Hull) wrote:
#In article <anako4$ct2$1...@grapevine.wam.umd.edu>, <kevin...@verizon.com>
#wrote:
#
## Just purchased a new G19 and a box of reloaded rounds, which I've learned
## isn't a good idea. I did not disassemble and lube as I should have.
##
## After familiarizing myself with the action, I chambered a round, dumped the
## clip and unchambered the round. After several iterations of this, I was
## down to about the 5th round in the mag when I did this...
##
## ....with a round in the chamber and the clip removed, I locked the slide
## back, thus removing the round. After inserting the magazine I then pulled
## the slide back just enough to release the lock and let it slam back home.
##
## Now a round is in the chamber and the slide will not come back. It will
## move back about a quarter of an inch but that's all.
##
## Short of firing the round, which I don't think would be a good idea, how can
## I get the round out of the pistol?
##
## I've tried removing the slide, but that doesn't work unless the trigger is
## in its back most position, which it is not.
##
## I cannot determine whether the problem is with extraction ( not enough force
## to
## remove the stuck round ) or with seating ( the round is not seated ). In
## any case,
## I believe the problem is with the round rather than the Glock.
##
## Thanks
##
## -Kevin
Kevin:
You have learned a very cheap lesson about using someones
reloads.
To clear the weapon of the live round , remove the mag from
the weapon and make sure you keep your finger out of the trigger
guard. Take the weapon and put it barrel downwards on the edge ofa
wooden table where the top corner is placed on the flat wood table.
Making sure the barrel will just miss the wood and you standing
straigh above the weapon push straight down hard with your shoulder.
This will pop the round out without any problem.
I have used my own reloads in all of my guns (2 Glocks and
others) and have done this more than once. We were using range brass
after they were fired in a subguns. We didn't get a complete resize on
the case and they got stuck. I suggest that with 9 MM you only use new
loads since they are hard to full length size. I had two or three hang
on my 1911 do the same thing after using lead hardballs. The same
methid was used to clear it as well.
Hope this helps.
Turbinator
#
# Don't even make the attempt following someone's advice. Take the weapon to
# someone who DOES know how to fix it. Remember Murphy's Law, that ugly head
# rears when least expected.
At least he's asking how, rather than pretending he knows how.. and
making 10 o'clock news headlines. While I agree that caution is the
better part of valor, I've had great luck getting answers from the
group on various questions over the years. The key is to get a good
consensus going, rather than solely relying upon one person's advice.
Even then, you must weigh input and make your own decision
accordingly.
Turby