Delta Force, SEAL Team CQB shooting Techniques
HydraShok
like Delta Force and SEALS use. I saw an ad in a gun magazine about
a shooting school called Delta/Seal that was siminlar to Gunsite and
Thunder Ranch except that they taught military CQB shooting
techniques. I was unsure what they meant with "military" CQB
techniques. I thought that CQB shooting would be the same for
civilians???
If anyone has info on the shooting technies or elite units use pleas
e:mail me.
I'm specifically looking for info on:
1. Aiming technique and sight picture used.
2. Stance used.
3. Close quarter movement techniques used.
4. Speed of execution, how fast do they shoot and how many times.
I understand that a reply to this can be quite lengthy but I am
always looking for ways to improve my technique and look forward to
hearing from those experienced on these techniques.
Perhaps we have Delta or SEAL members who freaquent this newsgroup.
I look forward to discussing this topic with anyone who is also
intrested in CQB shooting techniques.
Thanks
Chris
David R. Reed
#I'm specifically looking for info on:
#1. Aiming technique and sight picture used.
Both eyes open - Focus on the front sight post - Point
#2. Stance used.
I dont know what it's 'called' -- Weaver stance? Both hands on
weapon, shooting arm elbow locked, shoulder back, weak arm supporting.
#3. Close quarter movement techniques used.
It depends on what you mean. There are specific methods used for
clearing rooms, aircraft, hallways, etc. However, creativity and
ingenuity are always stressed, and specific methods are up to the
leader who bases his decision on the situation.
Generally you clear a room with a grenade, and a rush. The first two
men inside use .45's, there job is to engage specific targets. The
next two men in behind them also carry 45's and are there to backup,
and takeover, when the first two men go down. Behind them are two more
men with submachine guns.
There job is twofold, one -- spray side to side 6" over the heads of
the 4 crouching, rushing men in front of them, and two -- spray
bullets through doorways, down halls/aisles ahead of the 4 men in
front of them. Anyone who stands up is a goner. Anyone trying to flee
is a goner. It should also be noted that this looks like a solid mass
of men scambling in and shooting. I mean that nobody waits for anyone
else to go in and start shooting. Everyone rushes in at once blasting
away as fast as they can. The overwhelming, concentrated firepower
will overcome pretty much anything the bad guys have planned. Most
humans when surprised in this manner will shoot back to defend
themselves - instead of detonating their bomb - which is exactly what
we want to happen! You change the rules and make them play by yours,
and of course, they will lose at this one.
#4. Speed of execution, how fast do they shoot and how many times.
In SFSOT we used two shots - in rapid successioon - to the head.
For training I would suggest this:
It is critical that you learn to count shots without actually
counting. You must be able to do this no matter how fast you are
shooting, or the conditions you are shooting under. You must reload
while there is one round left - in the chamber. Letting your slide
lock open on an empty chamber is a grievous error. In training anyone
who did this had to drop and do 25 pushups. After a few days of this
game most of us learned to count our shots.
SFSOT used to be three weeks, 10 hour days, most of the time spent
shooting our .45's in the various mockups they had for us. It was a
pretty cool class. I did pick up a few extra pointers on clearing an
aircraft of psychos with bombs.
#Perhaps we have Delta or SEAL members who freaquent this newsgroup.
I went through Operation Blue Light selection course in 1978 and SFSOT
right before that. Blue Light was the program that was dropped in
favor of Delta after Charlie Beckwith (then Col.) persuaded the higher
ups that his concept was generally better, and he had spent years
trying to sell it to the army. Up until that unit went through their
initial shakedown period the 1st Ranger Battalion was the US
Military's only serious special operations group. I was with that unit
for 2 years. Since then, I understand the Navy has spent a lot of time
developing their SEAL team concept so as not to be left out of the
show.
Dave Reed
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Julius Chang
#I'm intrested in finding out what CQB shooting techniques elite units
#like Delta Force and SEALS use. I saw an ad in a gun magazine about
#a shooting school called Delta/Seal that was siminlar to Gunsite and
#Thunder Ranch except that they taught military CQB shooting
#techniques. I was unsure what they meant with "military" CQB
#techniques. I thought that CQB shooting would be the same for
#civilians???
See the July 1995 issue of Soldier of Fortune.
They have a review of the Delta-SEAL Training Camp.
#If anyone has info on the shooting technies or elite units use pleas
#e:mail me.
#
#I'm specifically looking for info on:
#
#1. Aiming technique and sight picture used.
From the article, it sounds like "front sight,
trigger press."
#2. Stance used.
In the photo for the DSTC class, it looks like all
of the shooters use Isosceles.
#3. Close quarter movement techniques used.
No specifics in the article.
#4. Speed of execution, how fast do they shoot and how many times.
No specifics on standard drill times in the article.
The class runs four days, so I'd imagine that they
shoot 2000-3000 rounds.
-Julius
Joseph Ancheta
what the United States Marine Corps taught me was to carefully make "one
shot, one kill..." When I was taught to clear buildings and C-130's, we
were taught a cross-shot style where the first person would hit the far
corner while the second person would hit the near corner. Then after 1-2
shots in the corner, we would pivot left or right to hit the other
corners. Of course this is all after a grenade has been thrown, "down
and away" as we would always say. The team setup for the Marine Corps
is: 2 M16A2 service rifles, 1 submachine gun (whichever is issued at the
time), and 1 pistol grip shotgun. They all carry pistols, last I heard
they were carrying 9mm Berettas. These, however, are only used as
back-up or when the time for a handgun arises. Thanks for your time.
Lance Corporal Joe Ancheta
United States Marine Corps
rlem...@expert.cc.purdue.edu
technique was first introduced by the British SAS. I learned this type
of technique when I was trained by the Israeli Defense Forces Commando
in the Negev, Israel. Wehad a mock up of almost anything from a plane to
a military barrack. One thing I don't understand is why the first and
second pair of men should carry .45. As Mr. Reed described, "
Generally you clear a room with a grenade, and a rush. The first two
men inside use .45's, there job is to engage specific targets. The
next two men in behind them also carry 45's and are there to backup,
and takeover, when the first two men go down."
I would appreciate any response especially from someone who has the real
experience, please. Thank you.
SigLite
Terrain) training. The biggest thing that I learned was, whatever you're
technique and system is, it will get all screwed up as you go room to room
without 3 things.
1. Teamwork. Everyone must work together as a single entity moving from
one room to another and one building to the next.
2. Communication. Every member of your four-man team must know
EXACTLYwhere and what the other three are doing at all times.
3. Interchangeability. As four men move room to room in a building with
an unfamilliar layout and unknown obstacles, It is invariable that,
tactical situations will arise that prevent your team from stacking on
(preparing to enter) a room in the same order every time.
Example- you may enter a room with person #1 in the lead. Do your thing
in the order you do it (first man low left, second man low right ect... or
whatever your SOP dictates). All is fine and dandy, but now there is a
problem. Say person #1 would have to cross a wrather nasty danger zone or
potential field of enemy fire WITHOUT cover to regain his position as
person #1 for the assault on the next room. It is very likely that the
safest way to continue is to have person #1 cover the zone while person #3
or #4 approaches the entrance to the next room. Now, Person #3 is the
lead man into the next room. Person #3 had BETTER KNOW the lead man's
job, or he is likely to weave when he should duck and face the danger of
being shot by one of his own men as well as the enemy.
The point. All four men in a clearing team should know each others jobs
as well as thier own, and be able to perform it on instinc,t without
thinking, or everyone on a clearing team could well wind up slimy red wall
murals.
Did that make any sense?
SigLite
ryane...@gmail.com
commenters state are from backgrounds that are not Special Forces, nor are they
involved in Counter-Terrorist and Advanced CQB courses. Most of the comments are
superficial in their overview of Close Quarter Battle. What you're looking for is
more CQM than CQB. I do recommend a website called CQB-TEAM for all your information.
eagleso...@gmail.com
# I'm intrested in finding out what CQB shooting techniques elite units
# like Delta Force and SEALS use. I saw an ad in a gun magazine about
# a shooting school called Delta/Seal that was siminlar to Gunsite and> I look
A# forward to discussing this topic with anyone who is also
# intrested in CQB shooting techniques.
#
# Thanks
#
# Chris
I have no clue about military rule of shooting, but here are mine.
If you are in Clint Eastwood's bar and a guy walks in and gets his whisky and
proceeds to threaten your life by innuendo speaking and gun body language. Do
what? Go out for a showdown?? NO, draw on the threatener when his innuendo
intention is understood. Draw cold first in the bar. If the guy is a mistaken
intender he will fumble and ask why your going to shoot. So just do not pull
the trigger and aim and ask for a threat explanation.
If identified correctly the guy will be obviously in the draw game, so pull
the trigger first. Do not ever show threat to a Park Ranger,btww.
When you pull you need to hip fire a free quick shot round. Practice to get
above a 40 percentile hit success using the first round. At fifty feet for
the 45 semiautomatic. It is to be a real barrel just clear of the holster shot.
Practice so safety lever use is not even an issue. Carry cocked and locked.
After the first shot bring the sights up to bare. There is to commence a marriage
to your sights now. The issue is to hit in a deadly fashion. So there is a
consequence to the meaning of focus control. The rule of focus is to select your
focus sight in practice time. Select front or rear focus technique. You have to
be shooting with your focus never leaving the selected sight.
While shooting it is forbidden to move focus to the target. It is a background
behind your sight. Moving focus slows your firing rate.
It is forbidden to start looking for a defensive location while firing. It
must be preselected before the shooting starts so you can fire while retreating
to there. Looking left or right will always get you killed.
After the hip shot there is a technique to select. What is your stance? Mine
is a "combat stance" derivative. I can hop good. So I hop left or right or
forward or backward while bringing the sights up. It will hopefully startle the
target.
In general terms, plan on walking to the target while firing. This will hopefully
cause the target to look for retreat so you can succeed.
There are traps to be careful of. Firing without a proper sight acquisition
of the target can literally fool yourself. You just might end up swinging your
gun on a left or right approaching opponent.
The walk to the target in theory means your killer 100 percentile second round
failed. I like just might end up firing retreating always maybe. Am I man enough
to advance? The hope is to advance on a target that "cracked"
and is retreating.
The assault team methods are a nice topic. But remember to do it carefully. Do
not let terrorists understand critical issues.
In the USA military .223 is a proven terrorist weapon. I would like to see
an advanced scope for them. I would like to see scopes the authorities can
turn off by radio. And have everybody use them. This allows a sensible
control. If you take off your scope the local sheriff will get mad at you.
But in times of civil militia need three will be no sheriff