AK-47 Slamfire!!!
Kansas Dude
Howdy group, I just had trouble with my Bulgarian SLR-95 (an
ak-47 clone). I bought it new and have put something like 2,500
rounds through it so far. I shoot mostly Russian hollowpoint
ammo. I do clean it thoroughly, same day after every shooting.
Everything worked great until today.
When I was shooting from a standing position today, I had
what I think was a slamfire. It shot two rounds as if it was
in a full auto mode. It was kinda neat but made me worried.
What could the problem be? Is that a problem of a bad ammo
(goes off too easily) or the problem of the bolt? I do not
clean the bolt except for the outside surface, and I do not
take the firing pin out. Should I do it now? Any other ideas?
Another tidbit is that after that slamfire I took the rifle
apart and looked at the next cartridge that was ready to
fire. That cartridge had a VERY LIGHT dent from the firing pin.
Maybe the fireing pin gets stuck in the bolt?
It could also be a possibility that I simply did not release the
trigger properly but did not keep it completely pulled. Maybe
there is some rare dangerous intermediate position. (in which
case I could learn how to make it a full auto gun, hahaha).
Maybe the recoil somehow made my hand pull the trigger again.
I tried to recall the finger movement, and that seemed like a
possibility.
I shot about 50 rounds after that accident with no problem.
Any ideas?
Also, how dangerous is it? I mean, okay, I can control a
gun in full auto mode, especially with the muzzlebrake. It
is not the most perfect situation, I guess, but just how much
danger is there. Any experiences?
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John Cox
It shot two rounds as if it was
# Get it to a gunsmith NOW!!! By now an ATF agent has probably seen and
reported this post.
SgtRage
DoublesSS
#Another tidbit is that after that slamfire I took the rifle <BR>
#apart and looked at the next cartridge that was ready to <BR>
#fire. That cartridge had a VERY LIGHT dent from the firing pin.
Nothing unusual about this. All AKs have a "floating" firing pin which will
always leave a slight indentation in a primer after a round has been chambered
from the magazine (using the bolt).
Clay
John Cox wrote:
# It shot two rounds as if it was
# # in a full auto mode. It was kinda neat but made me worried.
# # Get it to a gunsmith NOW!!! By now an ATF agent has probably seen and
# reported this post.
#
# SgtRage
No need to try and scare the shit out of somebody. I've seen this before
in AK's. What it's doing is "hellfireing", most likely. The recoil is
jerking your finger and causing it to go off again. Typically this occurs
when you're slowly and carefully pulling the trigger w/ just enough force
to break the shot. gun goes off, trigger moves forward, recoil and
recovery forces coupled w/ brain signal saying to move finger back smoothly
take effect, gun goes off again. Most assuradly *NOT* illegal. When just
plinking, the shooter jerks the trigger w/ enough force and followthrough
that it's not an issue. Since it's only happened once out of several
thousand rounds, it's obviously not a full auto parts issue. Either that
or slamfired due to bad primer, also not illegal.
As to our friendly ATF agent (hello). I imagine his job description is to
archive every single post on this group. If he see's something blatently
illegal, he reports it. Since I pretty much never see anyone so stupid, my
bet is the agency's wasting their money having an agent serfing rec.guns.
But it's one Hell of a job description! :) He also serf's
talk.politics.guns and the other groups too, probably has managed to get a
couple hits while there, you see some real wacko's over in some of the
unmoderated groups.
Oh and one more thing, it's damn easy to fake an E-mail account, I would
imagine our good ATF serfer is well aware of that. Do you know this is my
account? Do you know that the name associated w/ this active account is
really me?
[IMMODERATOR: Probably.]
JHSTANG51
Take apart your bolt and see if there is a spring inside. This is supposed to
"cure" your problem by not letting the firing pin slam fire a round. Some came
with them and some didn't, it must depend on the country of manufacture.
keep em on target,
John H.
Christopher Lym
John Cox (get...@bayou.com) wrote:
: # Get it to a gunsmith NOW!!! By now an ATF agent has probably seen and
: reported this post.
Oh come on, the guy clearly said that he thinks it's a malfunction. If he
gets it taken care of, then there shouldn't be any problem. now, if he
snickers and slinks off to enjoy his new double-tapping two shot burst AK
clone, then he's in trouble. As long as he gets it fixed, there shouldn't
be any legal ramifications.
Chris
Mprubin516
#
#Howdy group, I just had trouble with my Bulgarian SLR-95 (an
#ak-47 clone). I bought it new and have put something like 2,500
#rounds through it so far. I shoot mostly Russian hollowpoint
#ammo. I do clean it thoroughly, same day after every shooting.
#
#Everything worked great until today.
#
#When I was shooting from a standing position today, I had
#what I think was a slamfire. It shot two rounds as if it was
#in a full auto mode. It was kinda neat but made me worried.
#
#What could the problem be? Is that a problem of a bad ammo
#(goes off too easily) or the problem of the bolt? I do not
#clean the bolt except for the outside surface, and I do not
#take the firing pin out. Should I do it now? Any other ideas?
#
#Another tidbit is that after that slamfire I took the rifle
#
#It could also be a possibility that I simply did not release the
#trigger properly but did not keep it completely pulled. Maybe
#there is some rare dangerous intermediate position. (in which
#case I could learn how to make it a full auto gun, hahaha).
#
#Maybe the recoil somehow made my hand pull the trigger again.
#I tried to recall the finger movement, and that seemed like a
#possibility.
#
#I shot about 50 rounds after that accident with no problem.
#
#Any ideas?
#
#Also, how dangerous is it? I mean, okay, I can control a
#gun in full auto mode, especially with the muzzlebrake. It
#is not the most perfect situation, I guess, but just how much
#danger is there. Any experiences?
#
#
This raises a question I have worried about, of whether to disassemble bolt and
remove fireing pin for cleaning. I have heard that its not required or a good
idea because pins become loosened. I soak the entire bolt in kerosene, dry and
then run some oil down the pin. Does this make sense? I haven't even been
able to figure how to take the AK bolt apart!. On the SKS I always
completely break the bolt down, but it supposidly is more prone to slam fires.
Any suggestions or recommendations out there?
Daustin69
I'm hardly an expert, and have put far less ammo through my own SLR-95 (141
rounds to be precise), but it sounds like a slamfire to me
.>It could also be a possibility that I simply did not release the<BR>
#trigger properly but did not keep it completely pulled. Maybe <BR>
#there is some rare dangerous intermediate position. (in which <BR>
#case I could learn how to make it a full auto gun, hahaha).
I have spent a fair amount of time examining how the trigger group functions in
relation to the hammer, and there is no intermediate position. If the trigger
is depressed enough so that the forward hook (for lack of a better
term--remember, I'm no expert) doesn't catch the hammer, the rear hook will
(like it is designed to). When you release the trigger, the forward hook moves
rearward enough to catch the hammer before the rear hook releases it. If you
somehow released the trigger fast enough for the rear hook to catch, then the
forward hook should have.
As far as full-auto goes, it appears as though it could be done fairly easily a
couple of ways, but definitely NOT a good idea.
Personally, I'd clean the firing pin.
Dan
Jon
John Cox wrote:
#
# # in a full auto mode. It was kinda neat but made me worried.
# # Get it to a gunsmith NOW!!! By now an ATF agent has probably seen and
# reported this post.
#
# SgtRage
Oh, take it easy...
This sounds like some serious sear problems, though. Sgt. Rage is right
about taking it to the 'smith. ANy rifle that fires when you don't want
it to is a disaster waiting to happen.
Jon
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MARK MYERS
Kansas Dude wrote:
> ...
Take out the firing pin and clean it and the channel it rides
in.Probably just gunked up.The slight dent in the primer is normal,these
guns don't have the spring loaded firing pin that the Chinese guns do.
waba...@yahoo.com
Funny you should mention that, but I had the EXACT SAME THING happen with my
SLR 95, under nearly indentical circumstances. Never did happen since. I
wondered to if there might be some "intermediate" trigger position or if
possibly my finger simply twitched as well. Let me know what you find out!!
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I am not familiar with that model of firearm but it is highly possible that
the firing pin does not have a safety style release. On most new guns, the
firing pin is not allowed to fall on a live round unless the trigger is in
the rear most position. This helps to prevent an accidental discharge if the
gun is dropped. With this in mind, be careful not to let the gun drop muzzle
down as it could go off. When the gun is dropped, or even during firing, the
firing pin will move forward at either time. just from the law of gravity.
this is the reason your gun slam-fired. When the bolt returned to the
forward position, the firing pin still kept going, and bang. Have the gun
checked by a professional gun smith.
E.G. Clayton
On 11 May 1998, Jon wrote:
# This sounds like some serious sear problems, though. Sgt. Rage is right
# about taking it to the 'smith. ANy rifle that fires when you don't want
# it to is a disaster waiting to happen.
It could be a mechanical problem. However it could just as well be
caused by a batch of ammo with sensitive primers. Everything he described
as far as dimpled primers on chambered cases goes is normal for a number
of semi-auto rifles. In fact all of my military semi-autos dent the
primers to some extent and the junkier the rifle (read: AK, SKS) the
more they do it. He may be on a wild goose chase looking for a mechanical
fault to explain this and I would test the rifle out thoroughly with a
variety of ammo first. And, if it only happens once in hundreds of
rounds (as he described), I might write it off as a sensitive primer
sneaking into the lot and consider it normal. If his sear is worn out
it will double frequently, or always, not once every few hundred rounds.
P.S. A double when the rifle is on target, pointed downrange, is not a
disaster, except possibly to your score if you are keeping score (most
AK shooters don't bother...hehehe). Where this kind of slamfire could
be disastrous might be if one were foolish enough to chamber a live round
when the muzzle is not pointed in a safe direction. With any semi-auto,
consider that the mere act of chambering a live round could always produce
a discharge.
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Ed Clayton
Baton Rouge, Louisiana
torste...@hotmail.com
The same is true for the AR-16/M-16 rifle as well.
Cheers!
In article <6j840d$f...@xring.cs.umd.edu>,
doub...@aol.com (DoublesSS) wrote:
#
# #Another tidbit is that after that slamfire I took the rifle <BR>
# #apart and looked at the next cartridge that was ready to <BR>
# #fire. That cartridge had a VERY LIGHT dent from the firing pin.
#
# Nothing unusual about this. All AKs have a "floating" firing pin which will
# always leave a slight indentation in a primer after a round has been
chambered
# from the magazine (using the bolt).
#
#
P Punkin
Charles Zimmerman wrote:
#
All AK varients with the exception of the spring loaded firing pin
(polytech) will slamfire. Ditto SKS. Predominent cause is firing pin
inertia. Use of super lubricants will increase firing pin velocity and
slam fires. Your AK does not need your tetra gun grease, or STP oil
traetment. Normal non military type primers in handloads particularily
federal will increase slamfires, CCI are harder. The other cause of
slamfires Is a froze firing pin either from no cleaning for a long, long
time or non removal of storage grease. this causes the gun to fire upon
bolt closure like a open bolt sub gun. less common in my experience but
everone i know knows how to clean a gun.
How to clean a AK
pull cover,bolt group/carrier piston
hose above with gumout carb cleaner and bore
swipe bore with cleaning brush
hose bore again
wipe off bolt group with napkin or bouty paper towel
apply ONE drop of break free to bolt cam,hammer (where it rides on bolt)
each slide rail
you are now good for another 600+ rounds
# I am not familiar with that model of firearm but it is highly possible that
# the firing pin does not have a safety style release. On most new guns, the
# firing pin is not allowed to fall on a live round unless the trigger is in
# the rear most position. This helps to prevent an accidental discharge if the
# gun is dropped. With this in mind, be careful not to let the gun drop muzzle
# down as it could go off. When the gun is dropped, or even during firing, the
# firing pin will move forward at either time. just from the law of gravity.
# this is the reason your gun slam-fired. When the bolt returned to the
# forward position, the firing pin still kept going, and bang. Have the gun
# checked by a professional gun smith.
Dolmenx
#Get it to a gunsmith NOW!!! By now an ATF agent has probably seen and
#
#
They ought to realize we are trying to CORRECT a mechanical problem!
L.K.