Whate kind of rifle did the rifleman use?
Rob
"The Rifleman"?
Just curious,
-Rob
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loop
operating handle. I've seen some of those handles available in SGN not to
long
ago too.
I could be wrong though -- I don't recall the detail of the rifle.
Rob wrote:
> ...
SLGunLover
In answer to your question we were discussing this last week in the shop i work
for here in Florida..Will ask my boss tomorrow and let u know. I feel silly now
i cannot remember from just last week.
Sally
PressOn
R. Gray
Chip King
> ...
I read an article many years ago that said the rifle was a modified M92
Winchester. The reason was so that they could use the standard 5 in 1
movie blanks.If you watch the start of the show you can see the short
cases roll off his hat after he is done shooting. I wonder how many
rolled into his shirtcollar and down his back before they got it right.
CTK
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"PressOn" <rsg...@peoplescom.net> wrote:
# Winchester 92 chambered in 44-40 WCF.
#
# R. Gray
Good. Now what kind of rifle did Josh Randall use in Wanted Dead or Alive?
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RikRiter
# Good. Now what kind of rifle did Josh Randall use in Wanted Dead or Alive?
#
I forget what caliber it was, but it was a Winchester---it is hanging on the
wall at Spangenburg's Gun Shop in Tombstone, Arizona.
NKKilgore
## Winchester 92 chambered in 44-40 WCF.
##
## R. Gray
#
#
# Good. Now what kind of rifle did Josh Randall use in Wanted Dead or Alive?
#
#
# Jim
I always thought that Lucas McCain had a Winchester chambered for .32-20, with
a custom circle lever.
As for Josh Randall, it was a Winchester '92 in .44-40, cut down to 14" barrel,
or so.
Serial # 130985
To see a drawing of the rifle Steve McQueen used in the show, visit:
http://www1.aksi.net/~aagun/maj.html
and scroll down to see it, and the serial number of the rifle. (Lee Majors
owns the rifle, in his personal collection.)
WALT K
#In article <71tpaa$l...@xring.cs.umd.edu>,
# "PressOn" <rsg...@peoplescom.net> wrote:
## Winchester 92 chambered in 44-40 WCF.
##
## R. Gray
#
#
# Good. Now what kind of rifle did Josh Randall use in Wanted Dead or Alive?
#
model 1894 in 38-55
WALT K
Don Merritt, SGM
# In article <71tpaa$l...@xring.cs.umd.edu>,
# "PressOn" <rsg...@peoplescom.net> wrote:
# # Winchester 92 chambered in 44-40 WCF.
# #
# # R. Gray
#
#
# Good. Now what kind of rifle did Josh Randall use in Wanted Dead or Alive?
#
#
# Jim
#
#
Jim
Josh used a cut down model 92 in an immaterial barrel (plugged). I put the
serial number on the net six months ago, made in the 30's, (check dejavu)
You can see it on display at Rancho Cordova Guns and Ammo at 1951
Zinfandel drive in Rancho Cordova CA. The original movie prop with the
entire holster and belt is for sale there.(aprx $2000)
Sincerely
Don Merritt
Everett
#
# ** SNIP **
#
# ## Winchester 92 chambered in 44-40 WCF.
# Jim
#
# I always thought that Lucas McCain had a Winchester chambered
# for .32-20, with a custom circle lever.
If it was a 32-20, it was "playing" a 44-40. Pretty good acting, too.
There were several episodes that specifically refered to it as a 44-40,
one of which I saw again just recently.
fl...@alaska.net
#You can see it on display at Rancho Cordova Guns and Ammo at 1951
#Zinfandel drive in Rancho Cordova CA. The original movie prop with the
#entire holster and belt is for sale there.(aprx $2000)
#>To see a drawing of the rifle Steve McQueen used in the show, visit:
#> http://www1.aksi.net/~aagun/maj.html (Lee Majors owns the rifle, in
#> his personal collection.)
#>>I forget what caliber it was, but it was a Winchester---it is hanging on the
#>>wall at Spangenburg's Gun Shop in Tombstone, Arizona.
Anyone see a problem here?
:^)
Jay T
jimp...@my-dejanews.com
nkki...@aol.com (NKKilgore) wrote:
#
# I always thought that Lucas McCain had a Winchester chambered for .32-20,
with
# a custom circle lever.
#
# As for Josh Randall, it was a Winchester '92 in .44-40, cut down to 14"
barrel,
# or so.
# Serial # 130985
#
# To see a drawing of the rifle Steve McQueen used in the show, visit:
# http://www1.aksi.net/~aagun/maj.html
# and scroll down to see it, and the serial number of the rifle. (Lee Majors
# owns the rifle, in his personal collection.)
I'm glad to see another fave of mine owning the rifle Steve used!
I was inclined to think Randall's rifle was pretty much the same model,
.44-.40, that Lucas used with the exceptions:
1. Lucas' rifle had a special ring which moved the trigger at lightning
speed. A possible eight rounds per 1.5 secs?
2. Josh's rifle was sawed off so bullets delivered a stronger impact.
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larger cartidges photographed better.
Dean Speir
##You can see it on display at Rancho Cordova Guns and Ammo at 1951
##Zinfandel drive in Rancho Cordova CA. The original movie prop with
the
##entire holster and belt is for sale there.(aprx $2000)
##>To see a drawing of the rifle Steve McQueen used in the show,
visit:
##> http://www1.aksi.net/~aagun/maj.html (Lee Majors owns the rifle,
in
##> his personal collection.)
##>>I forget what caliber it was, but it was a Winchester---it is
hanging
##>>on the wall at Spangenburg's Gun Shop in Tombstone, Arizona.
# Anyone see a problem here?
While there _does_ seem to be an abundance of those "authentic guns,"
it's not unreasonable to assume that there were more than one such
prop
"Mare's Leg" for the series.
- Dean Speir / Industry Intelligencer
FIREARMS FOURTH ESTATE
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It's not a perfect world out there... it's why we _have_ guns!
geoff beneze
<dsp...@suffolk.lib.ny.us> wrote:
# Jay T <fl...@alaska.net> asks about the 'Wanted Dead or Alive' rifle:
#
#
# ##You can see it on display at Rancho Cordova Guns and Ammo at 1951
# ##Zinfandel drive in Rancho Cordova CA. The original movie prop with
# the
# ##entire holster and belt is for sale there.(aprx $2000)
#
# ##>To see a drawing of the rifle Steve McQueen used in the show, visit:
# ##> http://www1.aksi.net/~aagun/maj.html (Lee Majors owns the rifle,
# in ##> his personal collection.)
#
# ##>>I forget what caliber it was, but it was a Winchester---it is
# hanging ##>>on the wall at Spangenburg's Gun Shop in Tombstone, Arizona.
#
# While there _does_ seem to be an abundance of those "authentic guns,"
# it's not unreasonable to assume that there were more than one such
# prop
# "Mare's Leg" for the series.
#
# - Dean Speir / Industry Intelligencer
# FIREARMS FOURTH ESTATE
# +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
# It's not a perfect world out there... it's why we _have_ guns!
But, but, DEAN...... Chuck Connors was "the rifleman", Steve McQueen
played "Josh" (&^*% senility) in "Wanted Dead or Alive". Steve's rig was
the one that carrie 45-70's but fired 44-40's. IIRC, I read that there
were three or four of them made.
Boys, I've wiled away a significant amount of my time hanging around and
exploring Tombstone (even shooting IPSC and HP there), and I've never see
the "Mare's Leg" there.
I believe Chuck used a standard Win 73 with a large loop. The trigger
guard had a pin through it that would depress the trigger when he closed
the action.
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#In article <72mtua$8...@xring.cs.umd.edu>,
# nkki...@aol.com (NKKilgore) wrote:
#
#
#
##
## I always thought that Lucas McCain had a Winchester chambered for .32-20,
#with
## a custom circle lever.
##
## As for Josh Randall, it was a Winchester '92 in .44-40, cut down to 14"
#barrel,
## or so.
## Serial # 130985
##
## To see a drawing of the rifle Steve McQueen used in the show, visit:
## http://www1.aksi.net/~aagun/maj.html
## and scroll down to see it, and the serial number of the rifle. (Lee Majors
## owns the rifle, in his personal collection.)
#
#
# I'm glad to see another fave of mine owning the rifle Steve used!
#
# I was inclined to think Randall's rifle was pretty much the same model,
#
# .44-.40, that Lucas used with the exceptions:
#
# 1. Lucas' rifle had a special ring which moved the trigger at lightning
# speed. A possible eight rounds per 1.5 secs?
#
# 2. Josh's rifle was sawed off so bullets delivered a stronger impact.
HUH? How would sawing off the barrel help deliver a stronger impact?
A slow burning as black powder is, and this was in the BP era,
wouldn't that would reduce velocity?
#
#
# Jim
#
William Harvey
wha...@win.net
http://www.win.net/~wharvey
fl...@alaska.net
#But...... Chuck Connors was "the rifleman", Steve McQueen
#played "Josh" (&^*% senility) in "Wanted Dead or Alive". Steve's rig was
#the one that carrie 45-70's but fired 44-40's.
The question about the WDOA rifle is the more current; the thread's
original topic was a bit worn out. BTW, the sawed-off rifle fired the
5-in-1 blanks in the show, which fit in .45 Colts and .44-40s, among
others.
BTW: Josh Randall. :^)
#I believe Chuck used a standard Win 73 with a large loop.
Most seem to believe that the rifle was a Model 92. The old '73 was
discontinued in 1919, and was a much larger action.
Jay T
fl...@alaska.net
## 2. Josh's rifle was sawed off so bullets delivered a stronger impact.
#
#HUH? How would sawing off the barrel help deliver a stronger impact?
#A slow burning as black powder is, and this was in the BP era,
#wouldn't that would reduce velocity?
Even with today's smokeless powders, a shorter barrel will give lower
velocities to the .44-40 bullet. Now, if the first poster was really
refering to the "stronger impact" of the muzzle blast, then he may be
on to something.
jimp...@my-dejanews.com
fl...@alaska.net wrote:
# Someone wrote:
#
# ## 2. Josh's rifle was sawed off so bullets delivered a stronger impact.
# #
# #HUH? How would sawing off the barrel help deliver a stronger impact?
# #wouldn't that would reduce velocity?
#
# Even with today's smokeless powders, a shorter barrel will give lower
# velocities to the .44-40 bullet. Now, if the first poster was really
# refering to the "stronger impact" of the muzzle blast, then he may be
# on to something.
So the cartridges hit with a stronger impact due to the blast?
I just wanted to get it right. I think sawing down the barrel
would result in a stronger blast as you stated.
Wouldn't this be the same result with a shotgun? Modern criminals
employ this method.
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# #I believe Chuck used a standard Win 73 with a large loop.
#
# Most seem to believe that the rifle was a Model 92. The old '73 was
# discontinued in 1919, and was a much larger action.
#
# Jay T
Would it be illegal to own a souped-up rifle like Connors used in
his series? I think John Wayne carried a similar model in "Rio Bravo".
mel sorg
#
# In article <72uoum$j...@xring.cs.umd.edu>,
# fl...@alaska.net wrote:
# # Someone wrote:
# #
# # #But...... Chuck Connors was "the rifleman", Steve McQueen
#
# #
# #
# # Jay T
#
# Would it be illegal to own a souped-up rifle like Connors used in
# his series? I think John Wayne carried a similar model in "Rio Bravo".
#
Only if the barrel is shorter than 16 1/4", and the gun is shorter than
26" overall. I think both of those guns would be legal. the one that
wouldn't from another western show, was a short, almost pistol grip
variation, with a barrel cut back to about 14"
madpoet
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TSBench
In article <737oii$b...@xring.cs.umd.edu>, jimp...@my-dejanews.com writes:
#Would it be illegal to own a souped-up rifle like Connors used in
# his series? I think John Wayne carried a similar model in "Rio Bravo">>>>
Nope. In fact, if you're looking for a 'large loop' lever action, Winchester
still sells them (in carbine form) under the model name 'Trapper.' The large
lever loop is to facilitate use while wearing gloves..
Regards,
TSB.
Bill Walker...Producer and Cohost of The Shooting Bench radio
program....General Manager, WDIS-Radio, Norfolk, Massachusetts.
Hank&LauraVonk
Woody Jones
that it was an Italian-made reproduction with a pin in the receiver causeing
it to fire when the lever was returned to battery. I don't know about the
legality, but safety would definately be an issue...
The rifle used in "Wanted Dead or Alive" looked like a large-loop version in
the Trapper witha shorter barrel
Woody Jones
William Harvey
#In article <732aap$8...@xring.cs.umd.edu>,
# fl...@alaska.net wrote:
## Someone wrote:
##
## ## 2. Josh's rifle was sawed off so bullets delivered a stronger impact.
## #
## #HUH? How would sawing off the barrel help deliver a stronger impact?
## #A slow burning as black powder is, and this was in the BP era,
## #wouldn't that would reduce velocity?
##
## Even with today's smokeless powders, a shorter barrel will give lower
## velocities to the .44-40 bullet. Now, if the first poster was really
## refering to the "stronger impact" of the muzzle blast, then he may be
## on to something.
#
# So the cartridges hit with a stronger impact due to the blast?
#
# I just wanted to get it right. I think sawing down the barrel
# would result in a stronger blast as you stated.
#
# Wouldn't this be the same result with a shotgun? Modern criminals
# employ this method.
Sawing off shotguns is not that modern of a tech, it has been going on
for a long time. It isn't done to make the blast harder, whatever
that is. It isn't done to give the gun more power. It is done for 2
possible reasons. First and most likely, make it smaller therefore
easier to conceal, carry and point quickly. Second is to give a wider
shot distribution.
#
#
# jim
#
William Harvey
wha...@win.net
http://www.win.net/~wharvey
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John Briggs
## Would it be illegal to own a souped-up rifle like Connors used in
## his series? I think John Wayne carried a similar model in "Rio Bravo".
##
#
#Only if the barrel is shorter than 16 1/4", and the gun is shorter than
#26" overall. I think both of those guns would be legal. the one that
#wouldn't from another western show, was a short, almost pistol grip
#variation, with a barrel cut back to about 14"
I think you refer to what Steve McQueen as Josh Randall, bounty
hunter, carried. Seems to me that you have a lever-action handgun so
it would be legal. The stock was cut down so that there was nothing to
press against one's shoulder.
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It is an act of good citizenship to make crime dangerous.
It is an encouragement of crime to remain defenseless.
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mel sorg <mel...@wcta.net> wrote:
# Only if the barrel is shorter than 16 1/4", and the gun is shorter than
# 26" overall. I think both of those guns would be legal. the one that
# wouldn't from another western show, was a short, almost pistol grip
# variation, with a barrel cut back to about 14"
You mean Steve McQueen's Mare's Leg wouldn't be legal to OWN? What about
Nick Adams's scattergun in The Rebel? Couldn't you own a "scattergun"?
I think a scattergun was also carried by James Caan ("Mississippi")
in "El Dorado".
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#
# I think you refer to what Steve McQueen as Josh Randall, bounty
# hunter, carried. Seems to me that you have a lever-action handgun so
# it would be legal. The stock was cut down so that there was nothing to
# press against one's shoulder.
#
No, you most definitely would not. The rifle would have been registered
with BATF as a rifle by the original manufacturer before it was shipped
to a wholesaler.
I *think* that you could, ahead of time, work with BATF to register the
thing as an "any other weapon", pay a $200 tax, and construct such a
critter, but never having attempted such an act, there are probably a
lot of practical hurdles in the process I'm not aware of which would
discourage ya. I *believe* this falls into the same catagory legally as
transfer or manufacture of a sawed off shotgun or fully automatic
weapon. But I'm not an legal expert on class-III weaponry, just a guy
who got curious one time and did some research.
As an example of just how sticky/picky this stuff is, consider the
Thompson Center Contender with regard to federal law ... not to mention
California-specific problems. Some frames are registered with BATF as
handguns by TC when they ship 'em out, others ... those shipped as part
of a completed carbine ... are registered as rifles with BATF. It is
perfectly fine to buy a TC handgun and later attach a longer barrel and
buttstock. It is extremely not-fine to buy a TC carbine and latter put
on a pistol grip and a barrel under 16" ... that becomes a federal
weapons violation with, I believe, a 5 year sentence possible and
mega-fines. Ridiculous in practical terms, but this is about legal, not
reasonable.
Tom
John Briggs
#John Briggs wrote:
##
## I think you refer to what Steve McQueen as Josh Randall, bounty
## hunter, carried. Seems to me that you have a lever-action handgun so
## it would be legal. The stock was cut down so that there was nothing to
## press against one's shoulder.
##
#
#No, you most definitely would not. The rifle would have been registered
#with BATF as a rifle by the original manufacturer before it was shipped
#to a wholesaler.
#
#I *think* that you could, ahead of time, work with BATF to register the
#thing as an "any other weapon", pay a $200 tax, and construct such a
Well, I dashed off a short reply without thinking through the details.
A short-barreled, unstocked lever-action repeater essentially
identical to Steve McQueen's would be legal to carry but getting to
that configuration might be difficult. That is, an original
manufacturer could produce them as a handgun. I was unclear and your
post is a welcome corrective.
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It is an encouragement of crime to remain defenseless.
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#
# jimp...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
# > ...
# Actually,the "Rifleman's" gun was a 1892 Winchester......
#
That's what I recall. Firing 'five in one' blanks. I recall it had a
spring loaded pin installed in the top of the bolt (above and parallel
to the firing pin), long enough to keep the round on the elevator as the
gun was swung in a circle. The other mod was a screw throught the
trigger guard that pressed the trigger back as the lever went fully
closed (and the gun into battery).
Doug Owen
graywolf
:
: No, you most definitely would not. The rifle would have been registered
: with BATF as a rifle by the original manufacturer before it was shipped
: to a wholesaler.
:
In fact I remember that they got into trouble with the BATF over
it. Wound up having to pay the tax, a fine, and McQueen was issued
some kind of permit to carry the thing to publicity functions.
It was a 44/40 pretending to be a 45/70. I remember the barrel
as being more like 10 inches but was a kid at the time so could be
wrong about that. I always wondered why the hassles about what
was basically a very inconvenient pistol was. Your info about it
being a rifle receiver may very well be right. It was an 1892.
No if this had be in the early 1860s it would have made sense
cutting down a 1860 Henry would have given Josh Randall a cartridge
pistol more powerful than anything else available at the time.
--graywolf
jimp...@my-dejanews.com
Tom Rutledge <rutl...@sou.edu> wrote:
#
# I *think* that you could, ahead of time, work with BATF to register the
# thing as an "any other weapon", pay a $200 tax, and construct such a
# critter, but never having attempted such an act, there are probably a
# lot of practical hurdles in the process I'm not aware of which would
# discourage ya. I *believe* this falls into the same catagory legally as
# transfer or manufacture of a sawed off shotgun or fully automatic
# weapon. But I'm not an legal expert on class-III weaponry, just a guy
# who got curious one time and did some research.
#
# As an example of just how sticky/picky this stuff is, consider the
# Thompson Center Contender with regard to federal law ... not to mention
# California-specific problems. Some frames are registered with BATF as
# handguns by TC when they ship 'em out, others ... those shipped as part
# of a completed carbine ... are registered as rifles with BATF. It is
# perfectly fine to buy a TC handgun and later attach a longer barrel and
# buttstock. It is extremely not-fine to buy a TC carbine and latter put
# on a pistol grip and a barrel under 16" ... that becomes a federal
# weapons violation with, I believe, a 5 year sentence possible and
# mega-fines. Ridiculous in practical terms, but this is about legal, not
# reasonable.
If you have a gunsmith friend, it would be helpful. Also, what is
the intent of the person wanting to own a sawed-off rifle? Or one
gimmicked
like McCain's rifle? These are questions that should ought to be
considered. Is it for a hobby or are you premeditating some criminal
act?
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We've covered Lucas' and Josh's rifles.
Now, what about Johnny Yuma's scattergun?
How was it made? Would there be legal complications to own one?
Hobby? Criminal intent? Self-defense? Reasonable?
James Caan used one in "El Dorado" as Mississippi character.
Doug Owen
#
# We've covered Lucas' and Josh's rifles.
#
# Now, what about Johnny Yuma's scattergun?
#
# How was it made? Would there be legal complications to own one?
#
Easy. Ace or K mart will sell you the hacksaw and file you need....the
yellow pages help you find the lawyer you'll need next.....
Yup. Big time complications. 18 inch barrel, 26 OAL. Ever note how
the defensive shotguns in the book have 18 or 18.25 inch barrels? Not
to make them handy...
Miller (as in Miller vrs. US, the 'big second ammendment SC case') was
based on this. He failed to show that a short barreled shotgun was
legitimate military stuff (in fact failed to even show at all). Loss
for the second and those who favor (for whatever reason) the short
scattergun. Mind, the cops have custom 'entry guns' custom made with
barrels on the order of eleven inches. Even need special guards to keep
from shooting off bits of the supporting hand....
# Hobby? Criminal intent? Self-defense? Reasonable?
Perhaps reasonable in some perspectives, but to be strictly discouraged
in most.
#
Doug Owen
YANKee
jimp...@my-dejanews.com writes:
#
# We've covered Lucas' and Josh's rifles.
#
# Now, what about Johnny Yuma's scattergun?
#
# How was it made? Would there be legal complications to own one?
Well, any shotgun with a barrel less than 18" is regulated under the
NFA '34.
If your state allows NFA guns and you want to own one,find a CIII
dealer pay for the gun, fill out the ATF Form 4, pay the tax, pass the
background check, then take it home.
Tip: if a CII manufacturer cuts down a shotgun, it is a Short Barrelled
Shotgun and costs $200 in taxes to own. If he makes up a gun on a
receiver that has NEVER been assembled into a full size shot gun, it is
classed as Any Other Weapon and only a $5 transfer tax.
Big savings!
Denny's Guns is making up some "New Auto and Burglar" AOW's ( 20 ga
double bbl pistol, basically) that are really neat.
Priced around $850, but you can find short pumps and autos in the
$300-$500 range.
#
#
# Hobby? Criminal intent? Self-defense? Reasonable?
Hobby.
"Advanced Collector" is the usual wording on the transfer form.
The ATF/NFA Branch has a very limited sense of humor, and will not
likely approve a transfer to an individual for declared lethal intent
(legal or otherwise).
BJay the YANKee
[x] No Guns [x] No Rights [x] No Future [x] No Shit
Major Wood
#Well, any shotgun with a barrel less than 18" is regulated under the
#NFA '34.
#If your state allows NFA guns and you want to own one,find a CIII
#dealer pay for the gun, fill out the ATF Form 4, pay the tax, pass the
#background check, then take it home.
Or make it yourself on an ATF form 1, see rec.guns FAQ item IIF2.txt
for details, hopefully updated in the near future. Total cost is the
gun plus $200 tax, prints, pics, etc. You can also make it up to have
a pistol grip and look like an "AOW" style shotgun, but legally it
won't be. Don't ask me, I just interpret the rules.
#
#Tip: if a CII manufacturer cuts down a shotgun, it is a Short Barrelled
#Shotgun and costs $200 in taxes to own. If he makes up a gun on a
#receiver that has NEVER been assembled into a full size shot gun, it is
#classed as Any Other Weapon and only a $5 transfer tax.
Kinda true. The gun that is made up though must not be fireable from
the shoulder at any time. It must always be in the configuration of a
"smooth bore pistol." The AOW does have an advantage in that it can
be owned in more states than a gun classified as a shortbarreled
shotgun, and can move interstate w/o prior ATF approval.
#Big savings!
#
#Denny's Guns is making up some "New Auto and Burglar" AOW's ( 20 ga
#double bbl pistol, basically) that are really neat.
#Priced around $850, but you can find short pumps and autos in the
#$300-$500 range.
#
##
##
## Hobby? Criminal intent? Self-defense? Reasonable?
"For all lawful purposes" or "Collection and Investment" seem to work
for most people
# BJay the YANKee