45-70 bolt action?
Wedge Watson
Is anyone aware of a bolt action rifle shambered for 45-70 (outside of a
custom gunshop job)
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wedge
Wedge Watson
John Gross
wed...@vivanet.com (Wedge Watson) wrote:
> ...
Back in the 1970's and 80's Navy Arms offered Siamese Mausers
converted to 45-70. They had sporter stocks on them and were pretty
neat. They are capable of handling Ruger No. 1 loading pressures.
I see them on the used market occassionaly. Have'nt paid much
attention to prices, but their not exactly collectors items.
I bought one in 1878 for about $150.
John Gross confe...@worldnet.att.net
Byron
Wedge Watson wrote:
> ...
About 10 years ago Navy Arms had some Siamese Mausers that were
converted to .45/70 Gov't. I don't know how many they sold, but you
seethem now and again at gun shows, and in Gun News. Most of them were
pretty nice.
There were, of course many small gunsmith conversions, some pretty good,
many horrible!
You might also look at the ".458 2" American", which is actually a
rimless .45/70, I have one on a Santa Barabra Mauser action, I love it!
Why not put an ad in Gun News, cost you about 6-7 BUX, probabally get
some action.
Big Bores ubber allis!
Byron, in Austin, TX
Gale Barrows
wed...@vivanet.com (Wedge Watson) wrote:
> ...
> ...
A couple have been on the market in recent years although hey were
just a step or two above a custom job. Navy Arms was selling a rifle
based on the Siamese Mauser action in various grades. A-Squre has
ofered one based on the P14 Enfield action. Of course you could look
for a Winchester or remington from the late 1800's. (yes, they both
made and marketed to the civilian market .45/70 bolt action
repeaters).
Johnston
Wedge Watson wrote:
> ...
Wedge The only one I know of is the Navy arms Siamese
mauser they were re-barreled and re-stocked in a nice Bishop
stock. they sold out of them many years ago, and still needed some
very skilled smithing to function properly as a magazine rifle.
I bought a siamese mauser to have converted, by the time I
figured out how much the completed rifle would cost I shelved
the project.
Louis J Boyd
Byron <bdk...@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> wrote:
#Wedge Watson wrote:
# > ...
#
#
#You might also look at the ".458 2" American", which is actually a
#rimless .45/70, I have one on a Santa Barabra Mauser action, I love it!
#
Or just get a Winchester Model 70 in .458 WinMag which is in current
production. If you aren't interested in light loads the .458 will do
everything a .45-70 can --- and more. With it's 14" twist it handles
500 gn bullets nicely.
fl...@alaska.net
# wed...@vivanet.com (Wedge Watson) wrote:
# ...Of course you could look
# for a Winchester or remington from the late 1800's. (yes, they both
# made and marketed to the civilian market .45/70 bolt action
# repeaters)...
Oh Really? This is interesting, as I could find neither in period catalogs. The
Portugese bolt action, tube feed Kropatschek rifle of the 1880s has been rebarreled to
.45-70, but this was recently, by Navy Arms I believe. What were the models of the
Winchester and Remington bolt action .45-70 rifles?
Jay
John A. Grossbohlin
wed...@vivanet.com (Wedge Watson) wrote:
#Is anyone aware of a bolt action rifle shambered for 45-70 (outside of a
#custom gunshop job)
#-
#And if the Star Trekkers have any more trouble with the Borg, They
#could shut them down permanently by up;oading a copy of windows 3.1"
There is a dealer in my sportsmen's club who sells newly converted
Mausers. The gunsmith who does the work is in this area... I examined
a couple of the guns at a gunshow last year and they were done quite
well though utilitarian in appearance. They wore black synthetic
stocks and a light finish--I don't recall what type of finish it was
but it reminded me of the satin nickel Colt was putting on the
Troopers about ten-twelve years ago... As I recall the price was well
under $1,000. If you are interested I can try to get more details.
John
John Gross
fl...@alaska.net wrote:
#
#Oh Really? This is interesting, What were the models of the
#Winchester and Remington bolt action .45-70 rifles?
#
#Jay
#
Remington Keene, made circa 1880's.
Remington Lee, made 1880-early 1900's (the earliest ones were made by
Sharps before Remington purchased the rights after Sharps
ceased operation in 1881).
Winchester Hotchkiss, made 1879-1899.
John Gross confe...@worldnet.att.net
Gale Barrows
fl...@alaska.net wrote:
## wed...@vivanet.com (Wedge Watson) wrote:
## ...Of course you could look
## for a Winchester or remington from the late 1800's. (yes, they both
## made and marketed to the civilian market .45/70 bolt action
## repeaters)...
#Oh Really? This is interesting, as I could find neither in period catalogs. The
#Portugese bolt action, tube feed Kropatschek rifle of the 1880s has been rebarreled to
#.45-70, but this was recently, by Navy Arms I believe. What were the models of the
#Winchester and Remington bolt action .45-70 rifles?
#Jay
Remington had the Keene nd the Lee (later became the Lee-Enfield of
British fame)
Can't recall the Winchester right off but think it began with a B. or
an H. Maybe Hotchkiss ?
Robert Christman
Gale Barrows wrote:
#
#
# Can't recall the Winchester right off but think it began with a B. or
# an H. Maybe Hotchkiss ?
Winchester Model 1983 (Hotchkiss Repeater) - Bolt action .45-70. Note a
warning in the Blue Book to inspect the stock at the wrist as they were
a bit thin and often cracked under prolonged use.
Bob C. NRA Endowment USN (Ret)
Jeff
barr...@rapidnet.com (Gale Barrows) wrote:
#fl...@alaska.net wrote:
### wed...@vivanet.com (Wedge Watson) wrote:
### ...Of course you could look
### for a Winchester or remington from the late 1800's. (yes, they both
### made and marketed to the civilian market .45/70 bolt action
### repeaters)...
##Oh Really? This is interesting, as I could find neither in period catalogs. The
##Portugese bolt action, tube feed Kropatschek rifle of the 1880s has been rebarreled to
##.45-70, but this was recently, by Navy Arms I believe. What were the models of the
##Winchester and Remington bolt action .45-70 rifles?
#Remington had the Keene nd the Lee (later became the Lee-Enfield of
#British fame)
By way of Lee-Metford
Remington-Keene Magazine Bolt Action Rifle, 1880-1888 (tube magazine)
45/70, also made in .40 and .43. A Frontier model was used by Indian
Police. 5000 made. Models were: Frontier, Carbine, Army, Navy, and
Hunter's or sporting, which was sold to civilians.
Remington-Lee Magazine Bolt Action Rifle (detachable box) 1880-1907,
45/70. 100,000 made. Sporting and military models, other variations.
#Can't recall the Winchester right off but think it began with a B. or
#an H. Maybe Hotchkiss ?
Right. Winchester-Hotchkiss B.A. rifle, aka Model 1879, Model 1883.
Made 1879-1899; 84,555 produced.45/70, tube magazine. Mostly sold as
sporting rifles. According to Flayderman, "reliable evidence and U.S.
Ordnance reports clearly seem to indicate that all martially marked
Model 1879 First and Second type Hotchkiss carbines and muskets were
made by the U.S. Springfield Armory." Actions were supplied by
Winchester.
Winchester-Lee Straight Pull, mfd 1895-1902, 20,00 produced; but this
is 6mm, not 45/70.
There was a Ward-Burton B.A. Model 1871 .50 cal. rifle, but only 1,011
rifles and 316 carbines were produced.
The 1882 U.S. Magazine Rifle, Chaffee-Reese was also a .45/70 bolt
gun, cartridges fed through a buttstock tube. Total of 753 made at
Springfield Armory; so obviously not for civilian market.
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fl...@alaska.net
# Remington-Keene Magazine Bolt Action Rifle...Remington-Lee Magazine Bolt Action...
# Right... Winchester-Hotchkiss B.A. rifle, aka Model 1879, Model 1883.
Thanks for the info guys. I'd forgotten about the Rem-Lee, but thought the Keene was
offerred in .42 only. Need to fill-out my collection of period catalogs.
Gary J. Grace
John Gross wrote:
#
# fl...@alaska.net wrote:
#
# #
# #Oh Really? This is interesting, What were the models of the
# #Winchester and Remington bolt action .45-70 rifles?
# #
# #Jay
# #
#
# Remington Lee, made 1880-early 1900's (the earliest ones were made by
# Sharps before Remington purchased the rights after Sharps
# ceased operation in 1881).
#
# Winchester Hotchkiss, made 1879-1899.
#
# John Gross confe...@worldnet.att.net
Early Bolt action 45/70's were the Remington-Keene and the
Winchester-Hotchkiss
Richard Svihlik
fl...@alaska.net wrote:
#
# # wed...@vivanet.com (Wedge Watson) wrote:
# # ...Of course you could look
# # for a Winchester or remington from the late 1800's. (yes, they both
# # made and marketed to the civilian market .45/70 bolt action
# # repeaters)...
#
# Oh Really? This is interesting, as I could find neither in period catalogs. The
# Portugese bolt action, tube feed Kropatschek rifle of the 1880s has been rebarreled to
# .45-70, but this was recently, by Navy Arms I believe. What were the models of the
# Winchester and Remington bolt action .45-70 rifles?
#
# Jay
Also the model 1881 Siamise Mauser was converted, mine shoots into 1 1/2
inches at 100 meters.
Isaac Wilder
Richard Svihlik (rsvi...@mc.net) wrote:
: fl...@alaska.net wrote:
: #
: # # wed...@vivanet.com (Wedge Watson) wrote:
: # # ...Of course you could look
: # # for a Winchester or remington from the late 1800's. (yes, they both
: # # made and marketed to the civilian market .45/70 bolt action
: # # repeaters)...
: #
: # Oh Really? This is interesting, as I could find neither in period catalogs. The
: # Portugese bolt action, tube feed Kropatschek rifle of the 1880s has been rebarreled to
: # .45-70, but this was recently, by Navy Arms I believe. What were the models of the
: # Winchester and Remington bolt action .45-70 rifles?
The Winchester is the Hotchkiss bolt action.
: Also the model 1881 Siamise Mauser was converted, mine shoots into 1 1/2
: inches at 100 meters.
I believe the Siamese was an 1898 Mauser.
--
Isaac(Ike) B. Wilder
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