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grendel p-12 poly .380?

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Gary A. Woodward

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Dec 3, 1992, 8:35:25 AM12/3/92
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Has anyone had any experience with a plastic .380 semi made by grendel
with a poly frame? It has a 12 shot clip and is double action. How
about durability for a person who *shoots* guns. The best price I found
is $175.

thanks in advance.

Gary.

James Douglas Del-Vecchio

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Dec 4, 1992, 5:22:01 PM12/4/92
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p00...@psilink.com (Gary A. Woodward) writes:

#Has anyone had any experience with a plastic .380 semi made by grendel
#with a poly frame? It has a 12 shot clip and is double action. How
#about durability for a person who *shoots* guns. The best price I found
#is $175.

These things were going for $99 at gun shows about two years ago.

Eric Oosterhof

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Dec 4, 1992, 5:23:37 PM12/4/92
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In article <293242210...@psilink.com>, p00...@psilink.com (Gary A. Woodward) writes:
|> Has anyone had any experience with a plastic .380 semi made by grendel
|> with a poly frame? It has a 12 shot clip and is double action. How
|> about durability for a person who *shoots* guns. The best price I found
|> is $175.

I had the P-10 for a while, which is identical with the exception that
the P-10 is loaded through the top. First, a little about the weapon.

- The frame is some kind of plastic or polymer.
- The slide stop and slide travels are steel.
- The slide is steel.
- Double action always, double action only. There is no safety.
This leads to the unfortunate fact that pulling the trigger tends
to make it go bang. I would not recommend this for New York cops...
- Dis-assembly for cleaning is a BIT*H!! You will quickly be discouraged
from cleaning the weapon.
- Mine had a fair trigger; long pull and heavy, of course, but also fairly
consistent and broke nicely. Pop cans at 25 yards were easy game.
- Dis-assembly for cleaning is a BIT*H!! You will quickly be discouraged
from cleaning the weapon.
- It kicks a lot! More than my Colt 1911. After 50 rounds or so, my
wrist was always sore.
- It is awfully small. I have big hands, and could only get two fingers
completely supporting the gun; trigger finger on trigger, middle
finger on the grip, ring finger on the grip, sticking partway off
the bottom.


Now, my impressions.
- Nicely put together weapon. Very functional.
- Dis-assembly for cleaning is a BIT*H!! You will quickly be discouraged
from cleaning the weapon. More on this later.
- I liked being able to stuff it into my pocket, but the pockets need to be
roomier than the pockets in 501's in order to retrieve the weapon
fast enough to do any good.
- Seemed to be very durable. I wouldn't feel bad about dropping it, storing
in my tool box, stepping on it, or, more importantly, shooting at
pop cans with it.
- A perfectly functional carry weapon.


The promised more info on dis-assembly. To disassemble, the slide must be
held at about 75% of full backwards travel, easiest if you use both hands.
Then, the pin that holds the barrel is pressed out through small holes in
either side of the slide. This is easily accomplished with your third hand,
your fourth hand being used to catch the pin. Then, cautiously let the slide
forward and off it comes. Or, do it the way I did once. Let go of the gun
as soon as the pin is out, and watch which way the pieces go! :) If you were
counting, you may have caught the flaw here. I, and I assume most of you,
only have 2 hands. With this limitation, much grunting and swearing suddenly
becomes an integral part of this process.

For a weapon to stuff in a jacket pocket and carry downtown, I loved it.
For a weapon to stuff in the trunk and go shooting with, it was passable,
until it came time to clean.

Oh, look in the recent gun rags at the library, there was just a review
on this piece.

|>
|> thanks in advance.

Your welcome. Lemme know if you have other specific questions. Mayhaps I
can answer those too.

|>
|> Gary.

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Glen Call

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Dec 7, 1992, 7:52:20 PM12/7/92
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I had a P-10, and it occasionally would spit a live round out instead of
chambering. I found the trigger to be too stiff for accurate fire, too. Your
milage may vary, etc.

Glen
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Dana Rigg

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Dec 7, 1992, 7:53:02 PM12/7/92
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-> Has anyone had any experience with a plastic .380 semi made by grendel
-> with a poly frame? It has a 12 shot clip and is double action. How
-> about durability for a person who *shoots* guns. The best price I found
-> is $175.

The December issue of the American Rifleman has a write-up on this gun.
The only thing that concerned me in this write-up was that the gun had
several light strikes during testing that failed to fire the round.
The good side is that, with the double-action only, they were able to
fire these rounds by simply pulling the trigger again.

Dana Rigg
Chandler, AZ
ri...@ssdt-tempe.sps.mot.com

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