Remington .22 rimfire ammo is just plain bad
Rich Stern
Remington Thunderbolts in my Marlin 880. My only other experience with
Remington .22LR was with another shooter's bulk pack Golden Bullets. I noticed
a lot of inconsistent reports from his Ruger 10/22. I figured I would try for
myself.
150 rounds later, I can firmly say I will never buy another box of Remington
rimfire ammo again. I couldn't get through a 7 shot clip without at least one,
and often more, "soft" sounding reports. And two misfires.
Every type of Federal and CCI round I have put in the Marlin has fired and
sounded consistent from one round to the next. Only the Remingtons have been
up and down. Remington needs to get the quality control act in gear.
Anybody else have trouble with Remington rimfire ammo?
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any others except Eley and Lapua and RWS.
On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:40:47 +0000 (UTC), rbs...@aol.com (Rich Stern)
wrote:
> ...
Bill Poole
# Remington ..... I couldn't get through a 7 shot clip without at least one,
# and often more, "soft" sounding reports. And two misfires.
That sounds worse that usual
I have had similar problems with Federal bulk "milk carton" ammo and club
members have reported problems with winchester...
it might be luck of the draw, maybe lots fabricated on monday's have more
misfires...
it might have been handling... could this batch of ammo served time in a hot
summer car trunk for several hours? I think that can kill an otherwise
decent batch of ammo.
Another thing we might wanna be doing.... TELL the manufacturers when we are
dissatisfied with their product! They need to make a profit, and that comes
mostly from their good ammo, so they don't want shooters runnin' around
saying "Fe-ming-chester ammo is bad", so they have an incentive for name
brand ammo to at least function, even if it is a 0-profit loss leader.
good shooting
Poole
http://arizona.rifleshooting.com/
Objekt
It's not just you. I've been playing "Musical Ammo Brands" with my Ruger Mk
II pistol over the last few months. According to my records:
-Federal 550-pack: Several dozen failures to
feed, of type where bullet impales itself on sharp leading edge of feed
ramp.
-Remington "Golden Bullet" 550-pack: A few dozen duds. Two failures to
feed of above-mentioned type. As you observed, not so golden!
-Winchester "Xpert" 550-pack: 40%-50% failure to feed rate.
Same feed problems as above. One dud. That's right, I had to throw away
about HALF of the whole box. As a bonus, it's not even plated, so your
barrel gets all kinds of nice leading. Some bargain!
According to a fellow shooter, .22 LR ammo sold at Wal-Mart just hasn't been
the same for at least 4 years. So far, I haven't found any kind of cheap
(that is, 1-2¢/round) .22 LR ammo worth a damn. Wally World still has a
couple of varieties I haven't tried, but I'm not exactly optimistic about
those working any better. Quality control seems to be a thing of the past
with bulk-pack .22 LR.
CCI Velocitor has functioned perfectly every through about 400 rounds. I'm
told CCI Mini-Mag is good, too, and it's not quite as pricey as Velocitor.
We'll see.
Objekt
Ken Marsh
Rich Stern <rbs...@aol.com> wrote:
#150 rounds later, I can firmly say I will never buy another box of Remington
#rimfire ammo again. I couldn't get through a 7 shot clip without at least one,
#and often more, "soft" sounding reports. And two misfires.
Yup. If you shoot through a cronograph, you'll find the soft sounding
ones are the slow ones, and if your scope or spotting scope is powerful
enough, you'll find they are the same ones that drop out the bottom of
the group.
#Every type of Federal and CCI round I have put in the Marlin has fired and
#sounded consistent from one round to the next. Only the Remingtons have been
#up and down. Remington needs to get the quality control act in gear.
Yup.
#Anybody else have trouble with Remington rimfire ammo?
Yup. Do a Google search on "group:rec.guns remington thunderbolt" . I
believe the 30-post-long thread "worst .22 ammo" of 2001 pretty much
says it all.
Ken.
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at all. Federals work perfect in all of my guns. For bulk ammo I stick with
Federal
Harvey4066
about every 4th or 5th round would either misfire or go "pop" with not enough
power to move the slide in my Browning Buckmark. Ended up turning the ammo
into the local military (Ft Knox) for disposal.
Harvey C. Scobie
Radcliff, KY
Doug White
In article <bugfnv$qa4$1...@grapevine.wam.umd.edu>, rbs...@aol.com (Rich Stern) wrote:
#The local Wal-Mart was out of Federal Lightnings, so I decided to try some
#Remington Thunderbolts in my Marlin 880. My only other experience with
#Remington .22LR was with another shooter's bulk pack Golden Bullets. I noticed
#a lot of inconsistent reports from his Ruger 10/22. I figured I would try for
#myself.
#150 rounds later, I can firmly say I will never buy another box of Remington
#rimfire ammo again. I couldn't get through a 7 shot clip without at least one,
#and often more, "soft" sounding reports. And two misfires.
#
#Every type of Federal and CCI round I have put in the Marlin has fired and
#sounded consistent from one round to the next. Only the Remingtons have been
#up and down. Remington needs to get the quality control act in gear.
#
#Anybody else have trouble with Remington rimfire ammo?
Their stuff is notoriously spotty. Some lots are good, many are awful.
Remington standard velocity is the only ammo that would work reliably in
ALL of the Smith Model 41 pistols I used for some pistol classes, so I
HAD to use it. It frequently took a coupel tries to find a lot that
wasn't garbage. Given a pistol that would work with anything else, I'd
never buy Remington. I sent an entire case back once for numerous squib
loads & duds. They claim it worked fine in their test Model 41. It
wouldn't work in eight of ours.
Doug White
Trenton G. Twining
#
# The local Wal-Mart was out of Federal Lightnings, so I decided to try some
# Remington Thunderbolts in my Marlin 880. My only other experience with
# Remington .22LR was with another shooter's bulk pack Golden Bullets. I noticed
# a lot of inconsistent reports from his Ruger 10/22. I figured I would try for
# myself.
# 150 rounds later, I can firmly say I will never buy another box of Remington
# rimfire ammo again. I couldn't get through a 7 shot clip without at least one,
# and often more, "soft" sounding reports. And two misfires.
#
# Every type of Federal and CCI round I have put in the Marlin has fired and
# sounded consistent from one round to the next. Only the Remingtons have been
# up and down. Remington needs to get the quality control act in gear.
#
# Anybody else have trouble with Remington rimfire ammo?
#
Yes, I was given a coffeee mug full of Remington Thundebolts once. At
this point I think I'd rather run coffee through a semi-auto.
--
"Marriage is the only adventure open to the cowardly."
- Voltaire, philosopher (1694-1778)
Trenton G. Twining
Jim P.
Mike Corey
#Anybody else have trouble with Remington
# rimfire ammo?
For what ever reason, Remington must not care about QC of their .22LR
ammo. Even their Target .22 ammo has a failure to fire rate above 5% in
my pistols, sometimes closer to 10%. Too bad because not too many years
ago Remington was all I would shoot.
I've never tryed the Remington / Eley ammo. It may be better but
something tells me it isn't.
I have very good luck with CCI Standard Velocity and Winchester T22's. .
Mike Corey
NRA Appointed Pistol Coach --- Vintage Dirt Track Racing #38x
J Buck
we are dissatisfied with their product!>
Exactly...just like a restaurant. If the food and/or service is bad,
unless someone tells them, nothing will change. Just telling our friends
"don't go to Joe's Diner" won't fix anything...it'll just shut down
Joe's Diner. It's the same thing with 'Femingtonchester'
Gun Owner
I think it is quality control problems.
I once bought Winchester Xperts to use in my revolver. I bought a few
bricks of those and had no problem ejecting the spent casings.
I decided to buy ten more bricks. They were awful. They would not eject
from the cylinder so easily. Had to use them up in my rifle.
I tried the Remington ThunderBolts. I went through ten bricks of those
with no problem at all in my revolver and 10/22. Only a few misfires
with the revolver and my 10/22 never jammed. But the next bricks of
ThunderBolts that I bought were full of misfires and "soft reports".
filgworth
# The local Wal-Mart was out of Federal Lightnings, so I decided to try some
# Remington Thunderbolts in my Marlin 880. My only other experience with
# Remington .22LR was with another shooter's bulk pack Golden Bullets. I noticed
# a lot of inconsistent reports from his Ruger 10/22. I figured I would try for
# myself.
# 150 rounds later, I can firmly say I will never buy another box of Remington
# rimfire ammo again. I couldn't get through a 7 shot clip without at least one,
# and often more, "soft" sounding reports. And two misfires.
#
# Every type of Federal and CCI round I have put in the Marlin has fired and
# sounded consistent from one round to the next. Only the Remingtons have been
# up and down. Remington needs to get the quality control act in gear.
#
# Anybody else have trouble with Remington rimfire ammo?
#
#
My Marlin 60 eats Remington Thunderbolts, Federal Lightnings, and
whatever cheap stuff Winchester puts out just fine. The Remington
stuff does seem to have a higher rate of misfire though, and I have
noticed those soft sounding shots from time to time. I usually unload
the rifle and check the bore at that point, just in case the bullet
got lodged in there. It seems to me to be caused by bad powder. The
reason being that after one of those soft sounding shots I notice a
fair amount of unburnt powder grains in the barrel and breech area.
BTW, it is the cheap CCI Blazer ammo that really screws up in my gun.
I stopped buying it after I noticed I could shoot about 1 tube (15
rounds) just fine, then after that every 2nd or 3rd shot would either
stovepipe, fail to feed the next round, or even fail to extract at
all. Not to mention I got more duds than was acceptable. Could be I
got a bad batch, but I did try several boxes over the coarse of a
couple of months.
Wbittle
Bullet". You will get 5 strong sounding rounds out of 10. The other five
will have a varying sound and you will generally get a misfire rate of
one in thirty. As for cycling through my 10/22, these remingtons work
great. CCI mini mags seem real consistent, but are a little rough on the
action of a Ruger 10/22 unless you replace the bolt stop pin with one
of those stainless steel core synthetic pins.
Since .22 lr is a real crap shoot in an automatic with respect to both
consistent velocity as well as cycling through the rifle, I have been
doing more tests with a Henry Golden Boy. To date, the best, most
consistent rounds I have found are the CCI Green Tag and the Remington
22 Subsonic. Now, both these rounds have low velocity and a lot of drop
at 100 yards. But, they are consistent. I'll take a 12" drop if I can
count on it shot after shot. In fact, I prefer it over rounds that
deliver less overall drop at 100 yards, but which are inconsistent.
The Subsonics can make a real small group at 50 yards. I plan on
trying them later this week through the 10/22. They claim that there
will be no problems fully cycling the 10/22.
CCI Green Tags have one problem in a 10/22. That wax lubricant is so
thick it tends to cause 10/22's to jam. But, you can even hear that each
shot with CCI green tags is the same. With the Henry, I could get
consistent 3 - 4" groups at 100 yards using hard sights. Most of the 4"
is due to my bad eyes. I'd bet I could get far better with a scope or if
someone with eyes better then my "Mr McGoo" myopic pair gave the little
Henry a try. The bottom line is that there are good .22 rounds out
there, but none that I have found that are much under $6.00 a box of
100. Bulk stuff is fine for plinking, or 25 - 50 yard target shooting,
but if you want to reach out to 100 or more yards, good luck unless you
buy higher quality ammunition.
JER442
Remington bulk packs not do what they were supposed to. Federal, however, is
another story, as is the Winchester Wildcats.
My Buckmark likes the Remington, but the Federal and the Winchester are not
being digested real well at all. Maybe its just the particular gun?
FWIW,
John
Joseph Oberlander
# # The local Wal-Mart was out of Federal Lightnings, so I decided to try some
# # Remington ..... I couldn't get through a 7 shot clip without at least one,
# # and often more, "soft" sounding reports. And two misfires.
#
# That sounds worse that usual
#
# I have had similar problems with Federal bulk "milk carton" ammo and club
# members have reported problems with winchester...
P{art of the problem, IMO, is the whole bulk packaging. USP gorillas
toss it around and so do employees - and it ends up all nicked and
dented and so on(small as it may be). And accuracy and feeding stinks.
CCI, OTOH, has their 100 round packs in a plastic tray - nothing hits
each other. I've never had a misfire with their higher-velocity ammo.
(Mini-Mag is my fav)
Danno
Ruger MkII, and a semi-reliable Remington Nylon 66. In my .22 lever actions and pumps, the rounds sound like weak air
guns, very undercharged. The Federal bulk at Walmart has been much more reliable.
Danno
jfi...@webtv.net
stuff. I know of one gun shop that won't even stock it. I tried some
Remington 150 grain 300 Win Mags in my Savage 110 FP and shot 1.5"
groups at 100 yds from a rifle that consistantly shoots under 1/2 "
conhntr3030
out of my savage mkII, 1.5 with my henry, and about 1.5 out of my
ruger mkII at 25 yards, i get 1-3 misfires out of each carton. mabey
my lot was good, but after trying it i went out and got 5 boxes of the
same lot, the henry has never misfired the rem, but its hammer spring
is very heavy.
J. Del Col
# I haven't fired Remington in my 22lr but I don't touch their centerfire
# stuff. I know of one gun shop that won't even stock it. I tried some
# Remington 150 grain 300 Win Mags in my Savage 110 FP and shot 1.5"
# groups at 100 yds from a rifle that consistantly shoots under 1/2 "
With factory ammo or handloads?
J. Del Col
Neil Maxwell
wrote:
#Same here, the Remington Golden (HA!!) rounds have been horrible in an otherwise very reliable Glenfield (Marlin) 60,
#Ruger MkII, and a semi-reliable Remington Nylon 66. In my .22 lever actions and pumps, the rounds sound like weak air
#guns, very undercharged. The Federal bulk at Walmart has been much more reliable.
I've been shooting a lot of the Golden in my Ruger MK512 (MkII with a
bull barrel), and the main problem I have is that it's a bit tight in
the chamber. Once or twice per mag it won't go into battery and I
have to push it closed the last little bit. Other ammo doesn't have
this problem.
The other problem is that 1 of every 10 or 20 rounds won't fire on the
first strike, but they usually fire on the second. Groups are OK, but
nothing special.
Once I get through this thousand rounds, I won't be buying any more of
this.
Neil Maxwell - I don't speak for my employer
Chris Morton
#
#Same here, the Remington Golden (HA!!) rounds have been horrible in an otherwise
#very reliable Glenfield (Marlin) 60,
#Ruger MkII, and a semi-reliable Remington Nylon 66. In my .22 lever actions and
#pumps, the rounds sound like weak air
#guns, very undercharged. The Federal bulk at Walmart has been much more
#reliable.
About 10 years ago, a couple of friends split a case of Remington Standard
Velocity. It was the second most unreliable ammunition I have EVER seen, only a
case of surplus FN .30-06 being worse.
At LEAST 25% of the Remington was misfires. They finally contacted Remington
who gave them their money back, and overpayed the shipping, giving them a slight
profit on the transaction.
Russian Jr. Brass was FAR better.
I'll stick with CCI.
--
Gun control, the theory that 110lb. women should have to fistfight with 210lb.
rapists.
Chris Morton
#I once bought Winchester Xperts to use in my revolver. I bought a few
#bricks of those and had no problem ejecting the spent casings.
# I decided to buy ten more bricks. They were awful. They would not eject
#from the cylinder so easily. Had to use them up in my rifle.
I've got several bricks of the '80s-'90s vintage Russian Jr. Brass that I'm
using up in my S&W K-22. It's quite accurate, but I've got to rap the ejector
rod against the back of the shooting bench to eject them. I wish I had some of
the steel case left. I recall it being even more accurate than the brass,
although it's simply filthy. Seems like it's loaded with a combination of
blackpowder and bullseye, and bullets lubed with Cosmoline. It wouldn't fire
through my Ruger MkII. The bullets would hit the feed ramp and end up at about
a 40deg. angle to the case, almost as if they were on a balljoint. They fed
well through High Standards. They had superlative accuracy out of a Martini
action target rifle.
--
Gun control, the theory that 110lb. women should have to fistfight with 210lb.
rapists.
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#
#<Another thing we might wanna be doing.... TELL the manufacturers when
#we are dissatisfied with their product!>
#
#Exactly...just like a restaurant. If the food and/or service is bad,
#unless someone tells them, nothing will change. Just telling our friends
#"don't go to Joe's Diner" won't fix anything...it'll just shut down
#Joe's Diner. It's the same thing with 'Femingtonchester'
The problem is that Remington KNOWS, and have since at least the early '90s.
Telling somebody they have a problem doesn't make them CARE.
--
Gun control, the theory that 110lb. women should have to fistfight with 210lb.
rapists.
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Craig D
Corey) wrote:
#I've never tryed the Remington / Eley ammo. It may be better but
#something tells me it isn't.
Can't say anything about feed issues, since I shoot single shot indoor
target, but our club uses Eley Club .22LR, and duds are pretty rare
(one box of 50 which had 2 duds has been the worst I've had).
And being a shooting discipline with pretty amazing accuracy, I think
we'd notice any dropping low due to poor velocity.
Craig
Remove * to email.
On usenet I speak only for myself.
Scott
#Anybody else have trouble with Remington rimfire ammo?
The Lightning and Yellow Jacket stuff is junk, but I've always had decent
results with the "Golden" stuff in the bulk box. Accuracy wise, it's OK
for plinking, but it's not match ammo.
The worst crap I ever used was some Mexican junk from Aguilla. The brass
was so soft and thin that I'd get pierced primers. After several blowouts
in both revolvers and semi-autos, I decided that I'd use up the rest in a
lever action. Also, the smell of it made me sick to my
stomach...............
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Telling somebody they have a problem doesn't make them CARE>
And NOT telling them ENSURES nothing will ever be done
Bass Elder
Likes:
Remington Golden Bullets, Target
CCI Stinger, Mini Mags, Velocitor
Winchester 40 gr round nose Super X
Aguilla Standard Velocity
Rifles: 1952 Marlin 39A, 2003 Marlin 39A
Likes:
CCI Mini Mags, Shorts
Aguilla Standard Velocity
When I says likes I mean I can put at least 95% into a one inch
circle at 25 yards. I always clean my guns and fire 5 rounds
into the berm before I shoot for accuracy. It also means I have shot
several bricks of each to even make the list.
Over all I have had the best luck with the Aguilla Standard Velocity
Ammo 40 grain round nose. Yes they do have a sweet smelling Ely
primer and I have actually come to enjoy the smell. I can get one hole
accuracy at 25 yards out of an entire box. I also have never had one fail
to fire in the Marlin leverguns and only occasionally (2 / 50 round box) in
the Speedmaster.
I did get a few bad boxes of the Aguila that I didn't buy in a brick. It
turned out though that they had spent over a year rolling around in the
trunk of a friends car. The accuracy was terrible but they all fired.
Danno
hear what sounds like grandma farting on a cushion.
Danno
emc...@yahoo.com
Thunderbolts thru my Ruger and Browning .22 semi auto's
I can't complain about the quality too much, maybe 1 dude in 100.
However they will NOT feed in my Remington .22 semi auto rifle at all.
I prefer the Federal Lightnings overall to all the brands I've used.
On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:40:47 +0000 (UTC), rbs...@aol.com (Rich Stern)
wrote:
> ...
Greg
box of golden bullet. I didn't have any problems with it and the only
reason I haven't used more is becauseI got a good deal on some CCI and
stocked up and haven't shot it all yet.
Rich Stern wrote:
> ...
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Dersu
"Greg" <oker...@pce.net> wrote in message
news:buprj1$rg5$1...@grapevine.wam.umd.edu...
# I've only used one box of Remington .22lr. I think it was a 550 round
# box of golden bullet. I didn't have any problems with it and the only
# reason I haven't used more is becauseI got a good deal on some CCI and
# stocked up and haven't shot it all yet.
I bought 500 Remington sub sonics and used the lot in my Browning semi auto
without a single dud round. That said I do prefer Winchester sub sonics
(which here are made in Australia).
D.
Anthony
..22 short only. The one box of Remington ammo I bought for it was about 50%
dud on the first try. We were able to get a few of the duds to fire on the
second try on a different spot on the rim. To Remington's defense I was
able to get most of the duds to fire in my Savage. I think I had 5 or 6
rounds from that box of 50 that were useless. This is the only ammo that
gave poor results in that rifle. The CCI .22 short ammo runs less than 1
dud per 1000. We had a lot of fun shooting that rifle in the garage with
CCI .22 CB shorts.
This is the worst problem I've had with Remington .22 ammo but in general
I've had less than promising results with it in all my .22 rifles. A friend
of mine has a Savage .22 like mine and his last brick of Remington ammo ran
about 5% duds.
I rarely have a dud with Winchester, CCI or federal ammo but I don't buy the
bottom of the line stuff from any of them.
Tony
"Dersu" <de...@paradise.net.nz> wrote in message
news:bur27k$b3r$1...@grapevine.wam.umd.edu...
> ...
auto
> ...
Rich Stern
#bottom of the line stuff from any of them.
I tried 100 rounds of Winchester Super X yesterday just to see if it would be
better. No duds, but the same inconsistent reports as the Remington.
The bulk Federal rounds have been very consistent, as has the CCI. I'm
sticking with those brands until they prove otherwise.
Lynn K. Circle
would go "poof" and end in the dirt. Another one was so overloaded that it
actually blew the slide off my PT22 (which Taurus subsequently repaired
under warranty, no problema).
The best and most consistent low-cost ammo I've found is Remington solid
golden bullets (sold in Houston, Texas, at Academy for about $10.00 per 500
round brick.) I learned about these when I complained to Ceiner about the
accuracy of my conversion kit and was told they use these rounds for their
accuracy testing.
On the other hand, I bought a box of 550 Golden Bullet HPs from Wallyworld,
and they were NOT the same quality as the solids in the brick. They're
usable, but often fail to feed in a semi-auto. I saved maybe three dollar
over the brick of solids, and probably have wasted that amount in discarded
rounds.
My take on Remington is to stick to the Golden Bullet solids. Forget
anything else. For quality .22 ammo I like CCI and Eley -- but both can run
as much as cheap center fire pistol ammo.
Lynn Circle
Joseph Oberlander
# On the other hand, I bought a box of 550 Golden Bullet HPs from Wallyworld,
# and they were NOT the same quality as the solids in the brick. They're
# usable, but often fail to feed in a semi-auto. I saved maybe three dollar
# over the brick of solids, and probably have wasted that amount in discarded
# rounds.
Wal-Mart is evil. They make deals with the maunfacturers to produce
a product at a price and it's literally "give us unlimited amounts
at that price or loose our entire business". They don't care what is
possible - they want it X amount lower and that's it. No discussion.
Meet our price or loose everything.
So those bullets they get are either outsourced or produced as cheaply
as humanly possible to satisfy their 5000lb gorilla client they've
mistakenly gotten into bed with.
You get what you pay for. Don't support Wal-Mart in any case - every
brick you buy there makes it harder for the ammo manufacturer to get
out from under them as they have to shift more and more production from
other lines and offerings to satisfy that one budget Wal-Mart special.
Danno
can sell it cheaper (economy of scale). I bought the same defective Remington "Golden" (read CRAP) rounds at Big 5.
These are the identical bulk packs that Walmart sells.
Danno
BTMO
"Joseph Oberlander" <> wrote
# Wal-Mart is evil. They make deals with the maunfacturers to produce
# a product at a price and it's literally "give us unlimited amounts
# at that price or loose our entire business". They don't care what is
# possible - they want it X amount lower and that's it. No discussion.
# Meet our price or loose everything.
Hmmm.. I didn't see this bit in "Bowling for Columbine".
I thougth Michael Moore was a champion of (ironically) the little man...
Cheers,
Brenton
Harry O'Connell
#
# Hmmm.. I didn't see this bit in "Bowling for Columbine".
#
# I thougth Michael Moore was a champion of (ironically) the little man...
#
He is, as long as two criteria are met.
1. Micheal Moore makes money at it.
2. The 'little man' is a disarmed victim.
Spyda Man
most unreliable 22LR ammo I have ever purchased with misfire rate at
25%, unacceptable. I will stick with CCI which is reliable, and
accurate in all my 22LR firearms. Has anyone here tried the 60 grain
Aquila 22LR Subsonic ammo? Thanks!
Spy in Hawaii
Long Ranger
Some weekends I might shoot over 500 rounds. I can only remember having
about half a dozen or so duds out of all kinds of ammo, until I tried some
Aguila hyper velocity ammo, and I had abot 5 or 6 duds in that one box. I
think there are some weak firing pin springs, and hammers out there.
corey
# Rifle: 1972 Remington Speedmaster
#
# Likes:
# Remington Golden Bullets, Target
# CCI Stinger, Mini Mags, Velocitor
# Winchester 40 gr round nose Super X
# Aguilla Standard Velocity
#
# Rifles: 1952 Marlin 39A, 2003 Marlin 39A
#
# Likes:
# CCI Mini Mags, Shorts
# Aguilla Standard Velocity
#
# When I says likes I mean I can put at least 95% into a one inch
# circle at 25 yards. I always clean my guns and fire 5 rounds
# into the berm before I shoot for accuracy. It also means I have shot
# several bricks of each to even make the list.
#
1 inch group at 25yds is nothing to be proud of, even at 50yds isn't that great;)
Nick Hull
"Long Ranger" <worp...@mindspring.com> wrote:
# This is interesting to me. I have shot a huge amount of .22 ammo in my life.
# Some weekends I might shoot over 500 rounds. I can only remember having
# about half a dozen or so duds out of all kinds of ammo, until I tried some
# Aguila hyper velocity ammo, and I had abot 5 or 6 duds in that one box. I
# think there are some weak firing pin springs, and hammers out there.
I concur: I used to shoot .22 indoor target matches using a Browning
pistol that whapped the primers good. No misfires. When anyone else
had a misfire, it always fired first time in my Browning. Many guns
have weak firing pin imprints.
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Nick Hull
Spy_D...@webtv.net (Spyda Man) wrote:
#....... Has anyone here tried the 60 grain
# Aquila 22LR Subsonic ammo? Thanks!
Reliable, but accuracy suffers unless you have a 1;10 twist. The usual
1;16 is too slow to properly stabilize the long 60 gr SSS bullet.
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max
(corey) wrote:
# 1 inch group at 25yds is nothing to be proud of, even at 50yds isn't that great;)
Maybe not for you. Repeatable 1" groups at 25 yards are damn good for
me, shooting 10 rounds at a time. I also see a heck of a lot of
people shooting between 7 and 25 yards at the indoor range, and I can
count the number of folks I've seen shoot 1" groups repeatably on one
hand.
Maybe everyone where I live is just a bad shot.
max
Garen Avanessian
Amongst 3000 (or so) rounds so far, I have had only 2 duds. I would
suggest that you check the firing pin spring in your rifle. Perhaps it
needs replacement. My centerfire reloading experience with Federal and
CCI primers is that they ignite easier than Winchester and Remington
primers. If these manufacturers use the same centerfire primer mix for
their .22 ammo, then chances are that the firing pin in your rifle is
not hitting the rim hard enough for reliable ignition.
Ken Marsh
corey <vhredn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
#"Bass Elder" <bas...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
## When I says likes I mean I can put at least 95% into a one inch
## circle at 25 yards. I always clean my guns and fire 5 rounds
## into the berm before I shoot for accuracy. It also means I have shot
## several bricks of each to even make the list.
# 1 inch group at 25yds is nothing to be proud of, even at 50yds isn't
#that great;)
For cheap *plinking* ammo like he described, I think either is doing
quite well.
Of course, I can't get sub-1MOA out of surplus military ammo and ancient
Mausers, like so many here can, so what do I know?
Ken. :)
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Nick Hull <nh...@access4less.net> wrote:
#I concur: I used to shoot .22 indoor target matches using a Browning
#pistol that whapped the primers good. No misfires. When anyone else
#had a misfire, it always fired first time in my Browning. Many guns
#have weak firing pin imprints.
Massive firing pin wallops might fire recalcitrant cheap ammo, but it is
neither conducive to accuracy nor good for the mechanism.
Think about it, if so many off-the-shelf .22's can't fire bulk ammo
reliably, who is at fault? Some of these combinations are made by the
same people (read, Remington .22 rifles and Remington ammo). If the two
most popular .22's (Model 60 and 10/22) don't reliably ignite bulk ammo
with massive, crushing blows, don't you think it behooves the ammo
industry to address the problem?
Anyway, when I can fire entire bulk packs of fairly cheap Federal with
zero duds and then have a 5% failure rate with Rem Thunderbolts and
Cyclones, all from a clean mechanism that leaves a deep, clear imprint,
I don't go blaming *my* equipment.
Most of my bad Remington .22 experience is from between 10 to 3 years
ago, 3 years ago being when I stopped buying Remington Target .22. The
dud rate of Target was a little less than 1%, barely acceptable, but I
had to give up on it because one shot out of 10 would be 300 FPS below
par and drop out the bottom of the group, and a couple more would be
100-150 below the rest and string a little low. If Remington has cleaned
up its act since then, great, but I'm going to let them suffer without
my buying their 22 ammo for another decade.
The cheapest Federal stuff never turned in great groups for me, but the
failure rate is less than 1 in 550 and it always turned in the same nice
round, if largish, groups, in the same spot (POI). Federal 711B is now
my "cheap" plinking round of choice, if I shop carefully I can get it
for $22/brick.
Ken.
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accuracy out of a gun that it is capable of. I had a 100, 200, and 600
yaerd range on my farm and manytimes asked people to come out and show
me how they shot a deer running at 600 yards offhand in the rain with
a wind blowing and using a 30-06 or .270 or whatever. Been my
experience that most of the people at Camp Perry would not try that
shot. Oh yeah, not ONE person ever took me up on my offer. I agree
that 1' groups consistently are good but few people can hold a gun
steady enough to get them at 100 yards CONSISTENTLY. By the way, all
things being equal, a 1" group at 100 yards is 6" at 600 yards.
On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 12:32:01 +0000 (UTC), max <maxi...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> ...
J Buck
600 yards>
By 'all things being equal' you must mean in a lab under perfect
conditions, i.e. absolutely no wind.
Bass Elder
And for off hand with iron sights and old eyes is all I can hope for.
Bass
Nick Hull
kma...@fellspt.charm.net (Ken Marsh) wrote:
# Hi,
#
# Nick Hull <nh...@access4less.net> wrote:
# #I concur: I used to shoot .22 indoor target matches using a Browning
# #pistol that whapped the primers good. No misfires. When anyone else
# #had a misfire, it always fired first time in my Browning. Many guns
# #have weak firing pin imprints.
#
# Massive firing pin wallops might fire recalcitrant cheap ammo, but it is
# neither conducive to accuracy nor good for the mechanism.
Rimfire needs a solid firing pin swat, not 'massive'. It is amazing
that a lot if rimfires manage to fire most of their rounds despite
shockingly light firing pin strikes. I have noted that the misfire rate
is probably more related to firing pin strike than bad ammo, although I
have noted some ammo so bad that it didn't fire with several healthy
strikes.
#
# Think about it, if so many off-the-shelf .22's can't fire bulk ammo
# reliably, who is at fault? Some of these combinations are made by the
# same people (read, Remington .22 rifles and Remington ammo). If the two
# most popular .22's (Model 60 and 10/22) don't reliably ignite bulk ammo
# with massive, crushing blows, don't you think it behooves the ammo
# industry to address the problem?
Some of the problem is with the gun, some with the ammo. When you are
marginal, a small improvement (or degradation) in either has dramatic
results.
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JER442
have shot about 3000 round of the cheap, 525 rounds for 9.95 stuff, and have
experienced a failure rate of about 5 per carton. Not too bad for the money.
Since I don't have a chronograph, I can't verify the fps variance, but all the
booms sound about alike. Never a failure to eject, and for practice, just a
real cheap pleasant way to go. The Federal stuff I tried I wouldn't give
accept for free--I average about one dud per two magazines.
I am shooting a Buckmark target 5" barrel version, and love the pistol and the
Remington ammo.
I guess that's what makes a horse race, eh?
corey
getting 1" at 25yds, I "assumed" you meant you were shooting from a
bench. Yes offhand with iron sights that good, and definetly good
enough for a squirrel.
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