9mm Lugar, 9mm Parabellum, 9mm Kurtz (.380)-Differences
ryan
direct me to a web site with the answers I would be happy. What is the
difference between 9 mm Lugar (from a tec-9), 9 mm Parabellum (from a
bullet and another gun) and 9 mm Kurtz (I think) from a Sig .380 (the
silver one). I know .380 is not 9 mm, but why is this gun labeled as
such? Thanks, ryan
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bosch
same cartridge. 9mm Kurtz is a 9mm X 18mm meaning the cartridge is smaller.
Am I right guys ??
bosch
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Marko Cunningham
US, the cartridge is more commonly referred to as 9 mm Luger, while
the Europeans like to call it 9mm Parabellum, or 9mm Para.
Same deal with .380 Auto. .380 Auto and 9mm Kurz are the same
cartridge(9x17), with .380 Auto being the American designation, and
9mm Kurz being the European name. "Kurz" means "short" in German.
The .380 Auto/9mm Kurz is a 9mm diameter bullet, just like the 9mm
Luger/Parabellum, it just has a shorter case (17mm vs. 19mm.)
HTH,
--Marko
Owen Cramer
first introduced in a luger pistol. It was given the name parabellum,
which means "for war" inLatin, by Mr. Luger (Georg?). .380 ACP uses a 9mm
bullet and Kurtz means short in German, so 9mm Kurtz is 9mm short. Did that
anser your question?
Owen
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OLDGUN9
The 9mm family of cartridges can be confusing. Here they are:
9x17MM=9mm Kurtz(Short), 9mm Corto (Italian for short) 380 acp
9x18mm=9mm Makarov (Russian cartridge for Makarov pistol)
9x19mm=9mm Luger, 9mm Parabellum(For war)
Hope this helps you. Regards, Dan (MAINE)
Richard I Landon
also known as 9mm Browning Court
9mm luger / Para are the same.
On 30 Mar 2000 11:26:13 -0500, ryan <rvke...@iupui.edu> wrote:
#9 mm Kurtz (I think) from a Sig .380 (the
#silver one). I know .380 is not 9 mm, but why is this gun labeled as
#such? Thanks, ryan
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TimL28
#difference between 9 mm Lugar (from a tec-9), 9 mm Parabellum (from a
#bullet and another gun) and 9 mm Kurtz (I think) from a Sig .380
The 9mm Lugar or Parabellum (translated: for war) is a 9x19mm. The 9mm Makerov
(you didn't ask, but soon will) is a 9X18mm (actually it is a .363 bullet as
opposed to the .355 9mm Lugar). The .380, also known as a 9mm Kurz (german for
short), is a 9x17mm. Regardless which firearm is involved, the caliber is
consistant. When folks refer to a 9mm, they are usually refering to a 9mm
Lugar, but it could be any of the three: 9x19, 9x18, or 9x17mm.
Tim
Ron Seiden
same size round -- 9mm diameter slug (.355") and case 19mm long.
"9mm Kurz", "9mm short" (which is what "Kurz" means), and ".380" are all
the same size round -- 9mm diameter slug (.355") and shorter case (not
sure -- 17mm?).
Then there's 9mm Makarov & 9x18, which have a "9mm" slug that is
slightly larger in diameter than other 9mm's (.358"?), with 18mm long
case.
There are other 9mm rounds, like 9x21mm (21mm long case), but it's the
ones you asked about that are the most confusing.
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Hoglawfl
#difference between 9 mm Lugar (from a tec-9), 9 mm Parabellum (from a
#bullet and another gun) and 9 mm Kurtz
Lugar/parabellum same/same...Kurtz is german for short...a shorter bullet of
the same circumference.
Hoglaw
Gerald "Brick" Brickwood
what manufacturer or model pistol you fire them from.
..380 ACP & 9mm Kurtz, are the same cartridge. In caliber it is a 9mm, just
as .30-40 Krag and 7.62 NATO are both .30 Caliber.
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Gerald F. Brickwood
LTC EN USA (RET)
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FBC3
known in USA as a .380. Luger round usually requires a locked breech, .380s ae
mostly straight blowback pistols.
Soonoran Sidewinder
The 9mm Luger and the 9mm parabellum are the same round. The round is also
known as the 9mm/08 or the 9mm P08 . The first signifies the date the
German Army adopted this round as its official semi-auto hand gun round
(1908). The P08 is referenced to the P08 Luger pistol. The Parabellum is
actually a shortened Latin phrase, "Made in peace for time of war".
The 9mm "Kurtz" cane be translated as the 9mm "short". It is basically the
European version of the .380 auto.
Joe Portale
Tucson, AZ
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Gandalf
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The most common 9mm round has several names: the 9mm Luger, the 9mm
Parabellum, the 9 x19 (19mm case length) 9mm NATO. All describe the same
cartridge, although the 9mm NATO specifications are for a somewhat more
powerful load than common 'civilian' 9mm ammunition. The other cartridge
also goes by several names: many people simply call it the 380, or 380
ACP (Automatic Colt Pistol, it's 'original' name) In Europe it is often
called the 9mm kurz, which simply means 9mm 'short', as the cartridge
case, (and overall length) is shorter than the 'standard' 9mm cartridge.
Johnny Maggitas
different gun manufacturers use different designations. Since 9 mm has a
diameter of .380 the Germans call a .380 a 9mm Kurtz which in German means
"short."
hope this helps
Johnny
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WVanhou237
#What is the
#difference between 9 mm Lugar (from a tec-9), 9 mm Parabellum (from a
#bullet and another gun) and 9 mm Kurtz (I think) from a Sig .380 (the
#silver one). I know .380 is not 9 mm, but why is this gun labeled as
#such? Thanks, ryan
9 MM Lugar and Parabellum are the same thing. Also 9X19.
9 MM Kurtz (short) and .380 are also the same.
Caliber designation and bullet diameter are not often the same thing.
Like a 38 Cal. bullet is usually .357" dia.
Bill Van Houten (USA Ret)
"No matter how hard you try, you can't throw a potato chip very far."
"Linus"
Soonoran Sidewinder
The 9mm Luger and the 9mm parabellum are the same round. The round is also
known as the 9mm/08 or the 9mm P08 . The first signifies the date the
German Army adopted this round as its official semi-auto hand gun round
(1908). The P08 is referenced to the P08 Luger pistol. The Parabellum is
actually a shortened Latin phrase, "Made in peace for time of war".
The 9mm "Kurtz" cane be translated as the 9mm "short". It is basically the
European version of the .380 auto.
Joe Portale
Tucson, AZ
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Stan Allen
9mm X 18mm is a russian cartridge used in russian guns.
9mm X 19mm : 9mm Luger or 9mm Parabellum
9mm X 18mm : Russian cartridge
9mm X 17mm : 9mm Kurtz or 9mm short or more commonly 380ACP.
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Stan
** NRA Life Member **
Ronald Shin
Stan Allen wrote:
# 9mm X 18mm is a russian cartridge used in russian guns.
#
Correct, but many countries, especially the fomer Eastern Bloc ones
(Bulgaria, Romania, East Germany), made Makarovs as well. Also, the Chinese
make their own Makarov pistols, although their quality, as a whole, tends to
be inferior to that of the Eastern European ones.