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Way Back Jack

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Jul 6, 2009, 8:42:02 AM7/6/09
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In this State, you're not allowed to trap and transport racs. Anyway,
one time in the past using a Haveaheart, the damn dumb cat got
trapped. Another time, the rac was able to somehow escape! Two
other times I was successful in trapping them and shot them with a
.22, but it was a bitch removing the corpses from the traps.

So I marinated a 12 oz. can of cat food in a bowl of antifreeze. Set
it out near where the rac has been doing his damage. Next morning,
the ground at the site was wet with antifreeze, suggesting that he
dumped it, and quite a bit of the cat food remained in the bowl which
was tossed about 20 yds. away.

Do you know whether ACDelco Dex-Cool antifreeze contains denatonium
which is an embittering agent? The ingredients list doesn't mention
it though, so maybe this is simply a rac who doesn't have a sweet
tooth for antifreeze. I can only hope that the meat portion that he
did eat contained enough antifreeze to prevent his destructive return.

Red Green

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Jul 6, 2009, 9:01:19 AM7/6/09
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nos...@nospam.com (Way Back Jack) wrote in news:4a51f114.4446250
@free.teranews.com:

> In this State, you're not allowed to trap and transport racs. Anyway,
> one time in the past using a Haveaheart, the damn dumb cat got
> trapped. Another time, the rac was able to somehow escape! Two
> other times I was successful in trapping them and shot them with a

> 22, but it was a bitch removing the corpses from the traps.
>
> So I marinated a 12 oz. can of cat food in a bowl of antifreeze. Set
> it out near where the rac has been doing his damage. Next morning,
> the ground at the site was wet with antifreeze, suggesting that he
> dumped it, and quite a bit of the cat food remained in the bowl which
> was tossed about 20 yds. away.
>
> Do you know whether ACDelco Dex-Cool antifreeze contains denatonium
> which is an embittering agent? The ingredients list doesn't mention
> it though, so maybe this is simply a rac who doesn't have a sweet
> tooth for antifreeze. I can only hope that the meat portion that he
> did eat contained enough antifreeze to prevent his destructive return.
>

Jack:

You're a Jack Ass. Problem is you're too f'n stupid to use conventional
means and have resorted to inhumane means. Make yourself a sandwich and
pour some on it. Then you'll know how it's working.

Frank

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Jul 6, 2009, 9:02:58 AM7/6/09
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You're not allowed to do it here either but you can trap and kill.
Drowning may be better than .22 and from what you say, you may need a
bigger Hav-a-hart as I've seen it happen that trap would not completely
close on raccoon and he could get out.

You're also taking risks with poison which is generally not allowed and
you could kill an animal like someones pet. Ethylene glycol is really
not that toxic and it takes quite a bit to kill an animal. A sip or two
will not do it.

Vladimir

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Jul 6, 2009, 9:15:19 AM7/6/09
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On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 09:02:58 -0400, Frank
<frankperi...@comcast.net> wrote:

> Ethylene glycol is really
>not that toxic and it takes quite a bit to kill an animal. A sip or two
>will not do it.

http://www.vetmed.wsu.edu/Cliented/antifreeze.aspx

Antifreeze Poisoning

(...)

Very small amounts of antifreeze can be fatal. If a cat walks through
a puddle of antifreeze and then licks its paws, it can ingest enough
antifreeze to cause death. About five tablespoons can kill a medium
sized dog.

(...)

Way Back Jack

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Jul 6, 2009, 9:26:21 AM7/6/09
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On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 09:02:58 -0400, Frank
<frankperi...@comcast.net> wrote:

>Way Back Jack wrote:
>> In this State, you're not allowed to trap and transport racs. Anyway,
>> one time in the past using a Haveaheart, the damn dumb cat got
>> trapped. Another time, the rac was able to somehow escape! Two
>> other times I was successful in trapping them and shot them with a
>> .22, but it was a bitch removing the corpses from the traps.
>>
>> So I marinated a 12 oz. can of cat food in a bowl of antifreeze. Set
>> it out near where the rac has been doing his damage. Next morning,
>> the ground at the site was wet with antifreeze, suggesting that he
>> dumped it, and quite a bit of the cat food remained in the bowl which
>> was tossed about 20 yds. away.
>>
>> Do you know whether ACDelco Dex-Cool antifreeze contains denatonium
>> which is an embittering agent? The ingredients list doesn't mention
>> it though, so maybe this is simply a rac who doesn't have a sweet
>> tooth for antifreeze. I can only hope that the meat portion that he
>> did eat contained enough antifreeze to prevent his destructive return.
>
>You're not allowed to do it here either but you can trap and kill.
>Drowning may be better than .22 and from what you say, you may need a
>bigger Hav-a-hart as I've seen it happen that trap would not completely
>close on raccoon and he could get out.

These traps were recommended for racs but these two creatures were
exceptionally large.

>You're also taking risks with poison which is generally not allowed and
>you could kill an animal like someones pet. Ethylene glycol is really
>not that toxic and it takes quite a bit to kill an animal. A sip or two
>will not do it.

Nearest neighbor is 1/2 mile away; not sure if they have pets.
Poisoning is not something I relish but don't see any other option.

DerbyDad03

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Jul 6, 2009, 9:34:36 AM7/6/09
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> Poisoning is not something I relish but don't see any other option.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

re: "Anyway, one time in the past using a Haveaheart, the damn dumb
cat got trapped"

Is "the damn dumb cat" in danger of eating the poisoned food?

Way Back Jack

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Jul 6, 2009, 9:44:08 AM7/6/09
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On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 06:34:36 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

>On Jul 6, 9:26=A0am, nos...@nospam.com (Way Back Jack) wrote:
>> On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 09:02:58 -0400, Frank
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <frankperiodlogu...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> >Way Back Jack wrote:

>> >> In this State, you're not allowed to trap and transport racs. =A0Anywa=


>y,
>> >> one time in the past using a Haveaheart, the damn dumb cat got

>> >> trapped. =A0 Another time, the rac was able to somehow escape! =A0Two


>> >> other times I was successful in trapping them and shot them with a

>> >> .22, but it was a bitch removing the corpses from the traps. =A0
>>
>> >> So I marinated a 12 oz. can of cat food in a bowl of antifreeze. =A0Se=
>t
>> >> it out near where the rac has been doing his damage. =A0Next morning,


>> >> the ground at the site was wet with antifreeze, suggesting that he
>> >> dumped it, and quite a bit of the cat food remained in the bowl which

>> >> was tossed about 20 yds. away. =A0


>>
>> >> Do you know whether ACDelco Dex-Cool antifreeze contains denatonium

>> >> which is an embittering agent? =A0The ingredients list doesn't mention


>> >> it though, so maybe this is simply a rac who doesn't have a sweet

>> >> tooth for antifreeze. =A0I can only hope that the meat portion that he


>> >> did eat contained enough antifreeze to prevent his destructive return.
>>
>> >You're not allowed to do it here either but you can trap and kill.
>> >Drowning may be better than .22 and from what you say, you may need a
>> >bigger Hav-a-hart as I've seen it happen that trap would not completely
>> >close on raccoon and he could get out.
>>
>> These traps were recommended for racs but these two creatures were
>> exceptionally large.
>>
>> >You're also taking risks with poison which is generally not allowed and

>> >you could kill an animal like someones pet. =A0Ethylene glycol is really
>> >not that toxic and it takes quite a bit to kill an animal. =A0A sip or t=


>wo
>> >will not do it.
>>
>> Nearest neighbor is 1/2 mile away; not sure if they have pets.

>> Poisoning is not something I relish but don't see any other option.- Hide=


> quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>re: "Anyway, one time in the past using a Haveaheart, the damn dumb
>cat got trapped"
>
>Is "the damn dumb cat" in danger of eating the poisoned food?

Kept him inside last night.

Stormin Mormon

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Jul 6, 2009, 12:09:53 PM7/6/09
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I really doubt Dexcool will do the job. It's a different
chemical. Buy the cheap green stuff. You might have used too
much, also. Just dampen the catfood with the green
antifreeze.

D-Con, the mouse stuff, might also work. I've seen mouse
poison, designed to look like wheat or grain.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
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"Way Back Jack" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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In this State, you're not allowed to trap and transport
racs. Anyway,
one time in the past using a Haveaheart, the damn dumb cat
got
trapped. Another time, the rac was able to somehow escape!
Two
other times I was successful in trapping them and shot them
with a

Frank

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Jul 6, 2009, 12:16:46 PM7/6/09
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On Jul 6, 9:15 am, nos...@here.org (Vladimir) wrote:
> On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 09:02:58 -0400, Frank
>
> <frankperiodlogu...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >  Ethylene glycol is really
> >not that toxic and it takes quite a bit to kill an animal.  A sip or two
> >will not do it.
>
> http://www.vetmed.wsu.edu/Cliented/antifreeze.aspx
>
> Antifreeze Poisoning    
>
> (...)
>
> Very small amounts of antifreeze can be fatal.  If a cat walks through
> a puddle of antifreeze and then licks its paws, it can ingest enough
> antifreeze to cause death.  About five tablespoons can kill a medium
> sized dog.
>
> (...)

There is species variability in toxicity but ethylene glycol is not a
strong toxin. It's sweetness makes it dangerous but as poisons go, 5
tablespoons is a lot of poison to kill a dog.

Frank

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Jul 6, 2009, 12:24:36 PM7/6/09
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> Poisoning is not something I relish but don't see any other option.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

Don't know about current Hav-a-harts but mine will take a groundhog
but not a big raccoon for which they had a bigger trap. I watched the
raccoon I was after enter the trap, trip it, and both doors closed but
did not latch as he was too big. He must have tripped the trap a half
dozen times before I gave up.

If you must poison, I would suggest rat poison mixed with peanut
butter. You can't get in trouble trying to kill rats with poison.

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Way Back Jack

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Jul 7, 2009, 10:17:07 AM7/7/09
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On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 12:42:02 GMT, nos...@nospam.com (Way Back Jack)
wrote:

>In this State, you're not allowed to trap and transport racs. Anyway,


>one time in the past using a Haveaheart, the damn dumb cat got
>trapped. Another time, the rac was able to somehow escape! Two
>other times I was successful in trapping them and shot them with a

>22, but it was a bitch removing the corpses from the traps.
>
>So I marinated a 12 oz. can of cat food in a bowl of antifreeze. Set
>it out near where the rac has been doing his damage. Next morning,
>the ground at the site was wet with antifreeze, suggesting that he
>dumped it, and quite a bit of the cat food remained in the bowl which
>was tossed about 20 yds. away.
>
>Do you know whether ACDelco Dex-Cool antifreeze contains denatonium
>which is an embittering agent? The ingredients list doesn't mention
>it though, so maybe this is simply a rac who doesn't have a sweet
>tooth for antifreeze. I can only hope that the meat portion that he
>did eat contained enough antifreeze to prevent his destructive return.

Well, maybe the stuff worked after all. No evidence of rac damage
from last night.

JoeSpareBedroom

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Jul 7, 2009, 2:53:01 PM7/7/09
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"Way Back Jack" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:4a51f114...@free.teranews.com...
> In this State, you're not allowed to trap and transport racs. Anyway,
> one time in the past using a Haveaheart, the damn dumb cat got
> trapped. Another time, the rac was able to somehow escape! Two
> other times I was successful in trapping them and shot them with a
> 22, but it was a bitch removing the corpses from the traps.
>
> So I marinated a 12 oz. can of cat food in a bowl of antifreeze. Set
> it out near where the rac has been doing his damage. Next morning,
> the ground at the site was wet with antifreeze, suggesting that he
> dumped it, and quite a bit of the cat food remained in the bowl which
> was tossed about 20 yds. away.
>
> Do you know whether ACDelco Dex-Cool antifreeze contains denatonium
> which is an embittering agent? The ingredients list doesn't mention
> it though, so maybe this is simply a rac who doesn't have a sweet
> tooth for antifreeze. I can only hope that the meat portion that he
> did eat contained enough antifreeze to prevent his destructive return.


How about parking yourself outdoors in a nice chair at night with the .22
and capping the animal without trapping it first? Get yourself a Sure-Fire
light, designed for making targets think "What the f&&k??" and stopping just
long enough to get nailed.

www.surefire.com

They're ridiculously bright.


zxcvbob

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Jul 7, 2009, 5:27:25 PM7/7/09
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Taste it and see. Seriously, just touch a drop to your tongue and then
spit it out, it won't hurt you in that quantity.

Mouse bait would be more effective and less likely to poison someone's
pet, or use compound 1080 or 1081 and be careful.

Trapping and drowning would be more humane (and should be a dignified
way to go for a raccoon since they know how to drown dogs), and a lot
safer. HTH

Bob

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tn...@mucks.net

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Jul 8, 2009, 5:14:18 AM7/8/09
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snip

>In this State, you're not allowed to trap and transport racs. Anyway,
>one time in the past using a Haveaheart, the damn dumb cat got
>trapped.

snip

>So I marinated a 12 oz. can of cat food in a bowl of antifreeze. Set
>it out near where the rac has been doing his damage.

So one time a dumb cat got caught in the trap but you would never
expect the same cat to eat the poisoned food? How about the neighbors
dog?

If it is legal to poison then it is legal to trap.

Red Green

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Jul 8, 2009, 9:23:50 AM7/8/09
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no...@all.com wrote in news:4sb8559a4npajj85l...@4ax.com:

> On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 12:31:51 -0400, Still Just Me -
> <stillnoE...@stillnodomain.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 08:01:19 -0500, Red Green <postm...@127.0.0.1>
>>wrote:


>>
>>>nos...@nospam.com (Way Back Jack) wrote in news:4a51f114.4446250
>>>@free.teranews.com:
>>>

>>.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Jack:
>>>
>>>You're a Jack Ass. Problem is you're too f'n stupid to use
>>>conventional means and have resorted to inhumane means. Make yourself
>>>a sandwich and pour some on it. Then you'll know how it's working.
>>

>>Hey Jack, here's a better idea. Why don't you eat the anti-freeze
>>infested cat food, or better yet, just drink the rest of the gallon of
>>anti-freeze. If you manage to survive the hospital run, shoot yourself
>>in the head with the 22. The world will be a better place afterwards.
>
> The above reply came directly from the mouth of a PETA member !!!


There are two "above reply"s. If you meant the first or both:


Afraid not. Too radical in some aspects.

Just believe unnecessary cruelty is wrong and head lice do not have
rights. Somewhere in between is where I stand. Never defined where that
is and don't need to. Yes I eat meat and way to go Obama on taking out
the shitwalker right on the air.

Chris

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Jul 8, 2009, 6:29:27 PM7/8/09
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Actually, we've been doing some research on ethylene glycol in my lab
and it's pretty nasty. Small quantities can cause liver and kidney
failure, along with permanent brain damage. A fast search on PubMed or
Medline will bring up dozens of articles, including some from
veterinary journals.

Chris

TexasTrill

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Dec 29, 2016, 12:14:02 PM12/29/16
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replying to none, TexasTrill wrote:
Till yo ass has been attacked in your own home don't say shit peta bitch dogs
and cats have right but fuck a racoon I agree with Jack and I have kids so
what's more important a filthy dangerous racoon or kids but your peta so I
know your answer

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Bob

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May 4, 2017, 3:14:05 PM5/4/17
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replying to Way Back Jack, Bob wrote:
If it does contain the bittering agent or you suspect that it does, add
something to sweeten it, I have​ a coon that I have been hunting for a week,
won't go in a havahart trap, reaches in through the wire, digs under it,
flipped it over, I have staked it down with cement bricks on all sides,
covered​ it ECT, and still it gets the bait and doesn't spring the trap, I
have a garden and soon chickens that will be 20' from where it prowls, it got
into the trap 3 times yesterday 1 time while I was running a trip line to
catch it, sneaky ******. I didn't want to but seen no other choice, so I mixed
antifreeze with the bittering​ agent, brown sugar, powdered sugar, honey,
until it was like a paste then some milk, 3 slices of bread, 1 can cat food
and half a jar of peanut butter, note I used a lot of antifreeze, about four
cups worth, they say it only tskes a couple table spoons, but hey I wanted to
make sure, I put a bowl inside the cage trap with the blended mixture, a
closed it so no cat or other animals could get it only what has been getting
all the stuff in my would be compost pile and reaching in the trap, so this
morning bowl was completely empty, so I'd say it was a success. Hopefully this
battle will be over. Good luck to anyone that does the same, ohh and throw
away anything that the antifreeze touches of course

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gcs

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May 6, 2017, 11:14:05 PM5/6/17
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replying to Way Back Jack, gcs wrote:
this is disgusting. raccoons are highly intelligent, sentient animals with
family structures. the onus is on all of you to proof your homes and
properties. so tired on the mad dash to pass on accountability to someone or
something else in this nation's society. look at yourself first. saddest bunch
of snowflakes ever who can't take responsibility for humane, preventive
measures (locks on cans like when camping). you encroached on them. not the
other way around.

Coonkiller

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Jul 23, 2017, 5:44:04 PM7/23/17
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replying to Red Green, Coonkiller wrote:
You DID GOOD JACK!!! Red Green I hope you get Raccoons like I did that
destroyed $400.00 in bird feeders, tore up my back door screen, broke 4
hummingbird feeders in the $25-30 range EACH. I first live trapped them and
relocated. The Wild Life people said they will die anyway because they do nor
eat out of their own territory, I trapped and shot 3 in the head with a .22
and enjoyed every minuet of it. I hope I can get them to eat some antifreeze!
The wild life people won't come get them. The Sheriff office said do what you
have to do. So Red Green, I will send them to you to love and kiss and feed
and you can loose over $1,000.00 in your yard and let them run YOU out of your
own property.

Capo

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Apr 30, 2019, 7:44:05 AM4/30/19
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replying to Red Green, Capo wrote:
Lol

Mike J

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Jun 8, 2019, 8:44:04 AM6/8/19
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replying to Red Green, Mike J wrote:
oh stfu its a giant rat you moron...kill it slow

Mike J

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Jun 8, 2019, 8:44:05 AM6/8/19
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replying to none, Mike J wrote:
seriously..effing idiots... I'm dealing with a raccoon right now feeding it
answers I hope it suffers for what it's done to my house...

Big Daddy D

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Jul 26, 2019, 1:44:02 AM7/26/19
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replying to Red Green, Big Daddy D wrote:
You need culled. You are a piece of liberal trash. I wish more people would
poison raccoons.

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