> I discovered the 'roid's
>offensive post about Hermine whilst looking for information on bamboo,
>I am considering it for a privacy screen on a half-acre, lakeside
>property. I am worried about its propensity to get out of hand, and
>although quite prepared to mow new shoots etc., really don't want
>taking care of bamboo to occupy a large amount of my time in the
>garden.
>
>To the, 'roid, the offensive little pissant, drop off!
>
>David May
The roid as you put it is usually offensive, but if you ever visited
and had seen the filth and squaller Hermine and Roger live in you'd,
with any common sense, stay away from these nut bags.
Its bad enough that you are a nitwit troll that is always on the attack in
rec.gardens but you practicing your lame antics here should surprise no-one.
You cross-posting only goes to show what a clueless immature troublemaker
you really are. If you want the whole world to know all about Hermine
Stover, the decision was yours to do so!!!
If you know nothing about the people involved or the subject, you should
just shut up and learn something.
Now would somebody who knows the truth kindly enlighten us about Hermine
Stover and the many bizarre antics for which she is notorious?
David May <dma...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 22:50:13 GMT, "Cereoid-UR12-"
<cereoid...@spam.net> wrote:
>
> >You've aleady had several opportunities in the past to meet me in person,
> >"Roger Dodger using Hermine's computer today", and since that never
> >happened, it is unlikely that it will happen in the future.
> >
> >A man to man meeting would be most interesting. Who are you going to
bring
> >that is a man to represent you?
> >
> >Since you have never met me nor know anything about me, your uninformed
> >assumptions about me are quite humorous, "Roger Dodger using Hermine's
> >computer today".
> >
> >Freak is an out-of-date term? If so, you must be an anachronism stuck in
the
> >60's!!!
> >
> >I am looking forward to hearing more about Hermine from somebody else
that
> >has dealt with her other than "Roger Dodger using Hermine's computer
today"
> >or any of her other personalities!!!
> >
> >Should we expect to hear from Hermine using Roger's computer tomorrow?
> >
>
>
> Hmmmmmm.
>
> I am new to the gardening newsgroups, but not new to newsgroups per
> se. One thing that I have found, in every set of groups with a similar
> focus, in this case gardening and botany, there are always one or two
> assholes. I think that I have just identified one of them, after
> reading this response and Googling back on Ceroid's posting history
> pretty well confirmed it.
>
> Ceroid, or perhaps Hemorrhoid would be more apt, you are an idiot who
> jumps to conclusions with very little forethought. If Roger was indeed
> Hermine as you not very subtly imply, and as Hermine's using Forte
> Agent, it would have been a moment's work to change the sender and
> newsreader details, or to really obfuscate matters, post through
> Google.
>
> Having seen how little thought you apply to things around you, I would
> be very wary of accepting anything you had to say as valid.
>
> To others on these groups, Hi, my name's David May, I have just
> purchased my first property and am developing a strong interest in
> gardening, horticulture and permaculture. I discovered the 'roid's
>My interest in Hermine is with her expertise with bamboo, I wasn't
>planning on asking her, or you, for advice on living standards, home
>decorating, or personal hygiene. BTW since we are being so picky about
>other people, it is spelled squalor.
>
>You apparently consider yourself to have higher standards than
>Hermine, well consider this. I have very high standards, and if I were
>to visit you, I would probably find that you, your home and the manner
>in which you live were well below the standard that I expect among my
>friends and family. However, it isn't relevant to a usenet discussion
>on horticultural matters. Your post just demeaned you in the eyes of
>any fair minded readers of these groups.
>
>David
Great David nice to know someone approves and is comfortable living
in shit and will support someone who abuses animals....kind of matches
your gardening skill...
If you know absolutely nothing about the people, you should just shut up and
learn something.
Your uninformed opinions are without any value.
Let someone who actually knows the people and the trouble they cause speak
up and enlighten you.
Otherwise you are wasting everyone's time and showing the world what a
completely clueless fool you really are.
You have certainly judged me purely hearsay so that would make you a
hypocrite and liar as well.
You are unworthy of anyone's serious consideration, David.
David May <dma...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:93d3ab85.031022...@posting.google.com...
> On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 19:42:37 -0700, lvhippy <non...@business.com> wrote:
>
>
> >>My interest in Hermine is with her expertise with bamboo, I wasn't
> >>planning on asking her, or you, for advice on living standards, home
> >>decorating, or personal hygiene. BTW since we are being so picky about
> >>other people, it is spelled squalor.
> >>
> >>You apparently consider yourself to have higher standards than
> >>Hermine, well consider this. I have very high standards, and if I were
> >>to visit you, I would probably find that you, your home and the manner
> >>in which you live were well below the standard that I expect among my
> >>friends and family. However, it isn't relevant to a usenet discussion
> >>on horticultural matters. Your post just demeaned you in the eyes of
> >>any fair minded readers of these groups.
> >>
> >>David
>
> > Great David nice to know someone approves and is comfortable living
> >in shit and will support someone who abuses animals....kind of matches
> >your gardening skill...
>
> How does not taking a negative attitude about someone I don't know,
> because someone else that I don't know, reflect on my gardening
> skills?
>
> It doesn't of course, but I guess that is all you couldcome up with on
> the spur of the moment. I have high standards in many areas, but I do
> not try to impose those standards on other people.
>
> For instance, I would never consider having a tattoo, let alone as
> many as Hermine, but that doesn't mean that I automatically despise or
> look down on those who do. I drive a BMW and have a nice home and a
> good career, bit I also ride a Harley and often ride with and meet
> many people who have tatts, I quite like some of them, but they
> are not for me. Many of these people live in homes that are, to my
> standards, dirty and untidy, but that is my problem, not theirs. In
> their eyes, I am the one who has a "thing" about hygeine. I always
> wash my hands after patting my dogs, many people don't, it doesn't
> mean that they are less than me, just that they are different.
>
> I *never* judge anyone on hearsay, I judge them only on personal
> experience. I have friends who have terrible reputations, deservedly,
> but who I have complete trust in, because they are true friends.
>
> You should try to be more tolerant, it can only improve and help you.
>
> David
>
> Note: My email address is a spam trap.
It is spelled SQUALOR.
Nu, So live in the middle of an active landscape nursery. My husband
and I have thus far purchased 5 fixer-uppers and renovated them. (it
is an ongoing architect's hobby).
A nutless bag can be a sad thing in a man, but it is a problem with
which I shall not have to deal.
At least I do not have to be driven naked on a flatbed truck through a
car wash in order to take a bath! I actually fit into a normal tub
with room for my husband.
I would LOVE to stay and chat about this, but I would really much
rather talk about bamboo. I have a list for that purpose, and if you
send me a blank post at BambooGrov...@topica.com and follow
that up with a brief introduction, you can access the thinking of lots
of skilled bamboo fanciers.
hermine
This thread was never about you and your psychopathic Narcissistic need to
be the center of attention at any cost.
If you knew anything at all about the subject that is one thing but your
complete ignorance on anything remotely relevant to gardening or those who
garden shows how worthless and tiresome a showboating clown like you really
is. You are clearly the one that has absolutely nothing at all to offer
anyone. You are wasting everyone's time by being so obnoxious. Then again,
that's exactly what an emotionally immature jerk like you does to "get off"
on. Isn't it?
Go ahead and show the world how utterly useless you are even though the
topic has absolutely nothing to do with you at all. You have not shown
anybody who responded to this thread any respect. So either you already
suffer from symptoms of Alzheimer's disease or you are a hypocrite and a
lying troll.
David May <dma...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 08:40:37 GMT, "Cereoid-UR12-"
<cereoid...@spam.net> wrote:
>
> >As I said before, David:
> >
> >If you know absolutely nothing about the people, you should just shut up
and
> >learn something.
> >
> >Your uninformed opinions are without any value.
> >
> >Let someone who actually knows the people and the trouble they cause
speak
> >up and enlighten you.
> >
> >Otherwise you are wasting everyone's time and showing the world what a
> >completely clueless fool you really are.
> >
> >You have certainly judged me purely hearsay so that would make you a
> >hypocrite and liar as well.
> >
> >You are unworthy of anyone's serious consideration, David.
>
>
> Wow! I've been flamed by an emotional retard. Should I burst into
> tears now or wait 'til later?
>
> Listen up 'tard, you have nothing to offer people with an intellect,
> you are a fool. You a waste of time and a waste of space.
>
> I don't need to know what you think of someone, nor what anyone else
> thinks of someone. Until such time as I get to know a person and form
> my own opinions, I will treat them with courtesy and respect. That is
> the *only* way to learn about people, gossip doesn't cut it. People
> who gossip have something nasty in their character, and why should I
> want to take notice of the opinions of someone with a nasty character?
>
> No reason, right? So since you have nothing to offer me, I see no
> reason to prolong this idiocy. I will devote my attention to those
> people who deserve it.
>
> If ever you develop a bit of backbone, some integrity, some sort of
> positive character trait, let me know and I will possibly give you
> some consideration. Until then, don't bother.
David MAY need help, but you DO need help in a very bad way.
> This thread was never about you and your psychopathic Narcissistic need to
> be the center of attention at any cost.
No, this is about YOU and YOUR narcissist need to be the center of
attention and your need to smear others publically.
> If you knew anything at all about the subject that is one thing but your
> complete ignorance on anything remotely relevant to gardening or those who
> garden shows how worthless and tiresome a showboating clown like you really
> is. You are clearly the one that has absolutely nothing at all to offer
> anyone. You are wasting everyone's time by being so obnoxious. Then again,
> that's exactly what an emotionally immature jerk like you does to "get off"
> on. Isn't it?
You mean an immature jerk that trolls newsgroups and posts assanine
attempts at character assasination? oh wait, that is you isn't it?
> Go ahead and show the world how utterly useless you are even though the
> topic has absolutely nothing to do with you at all. You have not shown
> anybody who responded to this thread any respect.
WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?? This entire thread was started
based on disrespect... YOU disrespecting HERMINE. Pull your head out
of your ass and move on nitwit!
>
>David May
Well, containing it BEFORE it escapes is the wise thing to do. We
construct subsoil restraints or containers to enable folks to grow
running bamboo without fear of it showing up in a neighbor's yard,
which does result in law suits and other hysterical over-reaction, but
that is a fact of life. there are absolutely impermeable barriers to
contain the roots so you do not have to go about shaping the grove or
keeping it in bounds after you install it. clumping bamboo does not
spread this way, however, clumping bamboo may not be right for your
climate or your design sense. what are you trying to accomplish, and
what is your climate?
hermine
Chris <nospa...@thearmoury.net> wrote in message
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David May <dma...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 17:54:16 GMT, "Cereoid-UR12-"
<cereoid...@spam.net> wrote:
>
> >You are really in serious professional help, David.
>
> Yes, I need help to translate the gibberish that you just wrote.
>
> >This thread was never about you and your psychopathic Narcissistic need
to
> >be the center of attention at any cost.
>
> No, it was about your attempt to discredit and smear a person who I do
> not know, plus your attempt to have others agree with you.
>
> >If you knew anything at all about the subject that is one thing but your
> >complete ignorance on anything remotely relevant to gardening or those
who
> >garden shows how worthless and tiresome a showboating clown like you
really
> >is.
>
> More gibberish. Translation please. Ever heard of sentence structure,
> you know, commas, parts of speech etc., things like that.
>
> What you meant was:
>
> If you knew anything about the subject that would be one thing, but
> your complete ignorance regarding anything relevant to gardening, or
> to those who garden, shows how worthless and tiresome a show boating
> clown like you really is.
>
> Still very clumsy, but at least readable. You managing to grasp how it
> is done? Try using a few punctuation marks, they don't cost much.
>
> The subject was an attempt by you to discredit Hermine and I know all
> I need to know about it. You have proven yourself an obnoxious fool
> and Hermine, aside from her expertise with bamboo, which is what I am
> interested in, is unknown to me. You reference to my gardening skills
> and knowledge, which you know nothing about, shows that you do not
> consider truth or knowledge important when you post, and illustrates
> exactly how accurate any of your posts are likely to be.
>
> > You are clearly the one that has absolutely nothing at all to offer
> >anyone. You are wasting everyone's time by being so obnoxious. Then
again,
> >that's exactly what an emotionally immature jerk like you does to "get
off"
> >on. Isn't it?
>
> No points for copy catting.
>
> What exactly is immature about treating people with respect and
> refusing to take notice of strangers attempting to slander them? Not
> that I really care, just curious as to how you can justify that as
> immature.
>
> >Go ahead and show the world how utterly useless you are even though the
> >topic has absolutely nothing to do with you at all. You have not shown
> >anybody who responded to this thread any respect.
>
> Indeed I have, I have shown respect for all who deserve it. You
> didn't.
>
> > So either you already
> >suffer from symptoms of Alzheimer's disease or you are a hypocrite and a
> >lying troll.
>
> You like those words don't you? Hypocrite and Lying troll.
>
> It is a shame that you don't seem to actually grasp their meaning.
>
> As you obviously don't understand them, I take it that you use them
> either because you just like the sound of them, or they are some of
> the few words that you can spell. I'll bet that you use them again!
>
> I'll explain it to you 'roid, so that you will know in future.
>
> A troll is a person who makes an inflammatory statement in order to
> create a flurry of indignant responses among the readers of the
> newsgroup that it was posted in.
>
> You know, sort of like "Hermine Stover - what's that all about?"
>
> Oh, yes, of course you know about that.
>
> Next, a liar is a person who tells lies, so, no matter how hard you
> try to twist things, you cannot manage to find justification for a
> description of "lying troll" in any of my posts. I have not made any
> untrue claims or statements, I just responded to a troll, a lying
> troll in fact as he is telling lies about me.
>
> Now that we have that settled, we can move onto hypocrisy.
>
> Hypocrisy is either an expression of agreement that is not supported
> by real conviction, or insincerity by virtue of pretending to have
> qualities or beliefs that you do not really have. Now show me where I
> have exhibited either of those qualities?
>
> No, you can't - fine. Then of course, as you made a claim that you
> knew to be untrue, and as you are pretending to believe in that claim,
> we have a perfect example of a lying, hypocritical troll. You!
>
> See, you are good for something after all; as a bad example.
>
> Next time someone calls you a "good for nothing..." you can prove them
> wrong. You'd like that. wouldn't you? It would be a first time, and a
> first time is always nice.
Imagine if you will, the hairyist, smelliest, sweatiest, nastiest ass
crack in all of the world. You sir are the smallest most
insignificant dingleberry in that ass crack.
Now take your trolling and your little vendetta elsewhere amongst
others who may give a damn.
"Chris" <nospa...@thearmoury.net> wrote in message
news:43ca787a.03102...@posting.google.com...
Regardless of spelling it smells of human filth, toilets covered with
rotting human shit 10 feet from your terminal. Kichen garbage rotting and
molding while you pick through to find some value. It was a rotting mellon
you were eating. FIlthy dogs liying in their ouw excrement and eating out of
molded bowls with water bowls as green as any nasty puddle I'd ever seen
> Nu, So live in the middle of an active landscape nursery. My husband
> and I have thus far purchased 5 fixer-uppers and renovated them. (it
> is an ongoing architect's hobby).
> A nutless bag can be a sad thing in a man, but it is a problem with
> which I shall not have to deal.
You live in stinking old trailors most humans haven't the stomach to step
into. I especially remeber the one filed with under fed dogs and wall to
wall feces
>
> At least I do not have to be driven naked on a flatbed truck through a
> car wash in order to take a bath! I actually fit into a normal tub
> with room for my husband.
Bathing in shit is not a standard most here abid by.
>
> I would LOVE to stay and chat about this, but I would really much
> rather talk about bamboo. I have a list for that purpose, and if you
> send me a blank post at BambooGrov...@topica.com and follow
> that up with a brief introduction, you can access the thinking of lots
> of skilled bamboo fanciers.
> hermine
Join a group therapy session and learn to live like human beings..then grow
bamboo...if that's what you call that ratty mess...
You called me today and yes I bought from you and was in you "fixer-uppers"
better described as fetid trailers. Now go bathe...
On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 22:02:24 -0700, "Tom Jaszewski" <to...@cox.net>
>
>Regardless of spelling it smells of human filth, toilets covered with
>rotting human shit 10 feet from your terminal. Kichen garbage rotting and
>molding while you pick through to find some value. It was a rotting mellon
>you were eating. FIlthy dogs liying in their ouw excrement and eating out of
>molded bowls with water bowls as green as any nasty puddle I'd ever seen
>You live in stinking old trailors most humans haven't the stomach to step
>into. I especially remeber the one filed with under fed dogs and wall to
>wall feces. Bathing in shit is not a standard most here abid by.
>Join a group therapy session and learn to live like human beings..then grow
>bamboo...if that's what you call that ratty mess...
>You called me today and yes I bought from you and was in you "fixer-uppers"
>better described as fetid trailers. Now go bathe...
I have no idea why you would cobble together such a fantasy....so MANY
falsehoods. HOWEVER, I know you were never here. Perhaps this is some
professional jealousy chaneled by a friend? I am no expert on mental
pathology, but I surely know it when I see it; My guess is that you
have been composting too long, and it has invaded your reality. I do
not know as there is a therapy group for this.
ALSO...and this is just a matter of writing style-----I would invest
in a thesaurus. you used the word "rotting" three times, "filth"
twice...this is a paucity of vocabulary.
You are so obsessed with dirt on the outside. Best to pay some
attention to the inner garbage, mate.
hermine
Denial is a ricer in Egypt....your getting more and more like Steve with
every post. Lie rather than get well!
"hermine stover" <her...@endangeredspecies.com> wrote in message
news:mopmpv0utf67m60mm...@4ax.com...
>VV
>Certainly, a thesaurus, that's a true failure compared to living in a human
>and animal fecal material. I told Juan and Dave I'd hush up, until you
>started spouting like world class experts growing from a shit hole. Would
>you like me to describe the VOW bus models and their condition. Or I could
>draw a rough map of the layout, you filthy frauds!
>
>
>
>Denial is a ricer in Egypt....your getting more and more like Steve with
>every post. Lie rather than get well!
Assuming that this fantasy is actually true, why on earth would it
bother you? I see people living in real squalor, and i do not run my
lips about it on five newsgroups, fella. You seem to have been
well-coached, a few actual facts, to give the impression that you have
been here, but like a suspect, who is questioned by police for a
while, your story has great bogosity.
HOWEVER, if you need to believe this, by all means, do not let facts
or truth get in your way.
Go in peace.
just go.
hermine
>VV
>Certainly, a thesaurus, that's a true failure compared to living in a human
>and animal fecal material. I told Juan and Dave I'd hush up, until you
>started spouting like world class experts growing from a shit hole. Would
>you like me to describe the VOW bus models and their condition. Or I could
>draw a rough map of the layout, you filthy frauds!
So I take it you will NOT be accepting the offer of a free six week
vacation at Endangered Species Resort?
hermine
So i take it you will NOT be accepting our offer of a free six week
>
> Assuming that this fantasy is actually true,
You might have a few ratty bamboo...
> You might have a few ratty bamboo...
Now I know you've never been there... what an ass... keep pimping your
"shit fermenters" and shut the hell up on issues you have no
information about...
No, he has not, but somebody has given him some few pieces of
information to embellish. all of my dogs except an adolescent girl are
TOO FAT for the showring. (She is merely of normal weight),,,, for
example. all are spanking clean! I have not eaten melon since Dr
Atkins told me not to! and the older cars have all been covers on
various car magazines. the bamboo is LUSH. the toilets FLUSH.
It is good that there are enough actual people who have been here who
also are deranged enough to read these posts and reply to them.
hermine
>"Tom Jaszewski" <to...@cox.net> wrote in message
And Mr Bamboo expert you HAVE been to the fetid collection? Lets here
from someone who has truly toured the porperty...
>It is good that there are enough actual people who have been here who
>also are deranged enough to read these posts and reply to them.
>
>hermine
An that would be?
Lets check out the source for a moment, shall we?
http://www.geocities.com/airmeenah/BAMBOO-Bamboo.html
Prayer definitely isn't enough. Exorcism would be more like it!!!
ThomasG <tayl...@Pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:daznb.291$SN6.48...@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
> I'm going to throw my 2 cents in because I want too.
>
> Hermine and Roger Stover are 2 of the kindest people I have had the
> opprortunity
> to work and to shop with. The wealth of information they have given me and
> all who ask
> is sincere and from the heart.
> If they would move their place closer to L.A. I would be with them all the
> time.
>
> The person who started this thread needs prayer.
> Prayer that they will seek the help they need. To attack the Stovers the
way
> this person did
> is a sign of mental health going south, gone south, or just gone.
> Change can happen but you have to have help. Get help.
> Thanks
> TR
>
> PS
> I wont be responding to any flames directed at me.
>
>
>
>Oh what a spineless but kisser you are, Thomas.
>
>Lets check out the source for a moment, shall we?
>
>http://www.geocities.com/airmeenah/BAMBOO-Bamboo.html
>
>Prayer definitely isn't enough. Exorcism would be more like it!!!
Just shows ta go ya, you can live in shit abuse animals and still sell
bamboo....
>tayl...@Pacbell.net
We got another winner here Steve....maybe Hermine was his sister...
"ThomasG" <tayl...@Pacbell.net> wrote in message
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> Hi,
> I'm 41. Married with no kids. I was molested by my older sister around the
> age of 6 or 7 over a period of 2 or 3 years.
> I had never had any type of sexual encounter before her. How it started and
> how it ended is not for here. She is 5 years older then me
> I always considered it incest and was afraid and ashamed to tell anyone. My
> sister as long as I have known her has always tried to control me
> or bully me into whatever she wanted me to do. I was her trick monkey. She
> was out of control by 14 and was sent away to a boarding school.
> We've never discussed what happened between us. When she came back we never
> really got along and to this day I really don't care for her
> at all. I love her as my sister(offspring?) but as far as her personality ,
> she could jump in a lake.
>
> Before both my parents die I would like to try and mend fences as best I
> can. I have never gotten along with my sister and all these years she's
> always bitched about me not liking her and blah blah blah. She has never
> spoken to me about the sex between us and I am just realizing
> that none of that was my fault.
It is said in Torah law that a person who repeats gossip, harms three
people
1. the person who is the subject of the gossip
2. the person who hears the gossip
3. the person who is repeating the gossip.
If you were raised with the level of care animals receive, you would
quite possibly be sane and not some embittered fool.
loose lips sink ships.
hermine
NONE of this , while tragic, is my fault, louie, so why do you not
invest your anger at the people you claim harmed you, and leave me out
of it. I DO NOT KNOW YOU..
hermine
That doesn't bide well for a psychopathic liar like you, Herminerrhoid. Too
bad you actually believe your lies and there are some sycophants out there
who are willing to ignore a severe problem just to get plants.
After you are visited by the health department, animal control, the ASPCA
and every other appropriate government agency, will you be moving your
vortex of filth again to another town again? Do you think they just give out
fines to repeat offenders? Your ship has sunk.
hermine stover <her...@endangeredspecies.com> wrote in message
news:c4vupvglrbraga5b9...@4ax.com...
>After you are visited by the health department, animal control, the ASPCA
>and every other appropriate government agency, will you be moving your
>vortex of filth again to another town again? Do you think they just give out
>fines to repeat offenders? Your ship has sunk.
All of those agencies are well-aware of nuisance threats, but since I
am in the business of selling plants, which is to say, a licensed and
inspected nursery, i am regularly inspected by all of these. the local
animal control officer is a very close friend with whom I attend dog
training classes.
THREATENING a person with using these government agencies as a form
of harassment, however, is illegal.
Perhaps you did not know that.
hermine
Prayer for someone other than yourself feels the best, to me. I
somehow managed to get a convent of Carmelite nuns to do a prayer
vigil for the California fire situation. I just mentioned our fears to
a friend....she did this for us all...
It feels good to see your words here.
herm
Satan's concubine laughs in his face.
http://www.endangeredspecies.com/Bamboo/Images/People/Hermine.jpg
Prayer definitely isn't enough. Exorcism would be more like it!!!
ThomasG <tayl...@Pacbell.net> wrote in message
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> relation with Christ
A relationship with a ficticious sadomasocist?
>So I take it you will NOT be accepting the offer of a free six week
>vacation at Endangered Species Resort?
wow a couple of used trailers filthy and run down are now a resort?