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NPK red or NPK blue fertiliser??

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Jan 28, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/28/97
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In <32EE3B...@mandurah.wa.gov.au> Glenn Cornish
<gle...@mandurah.wa.gov.au> writes:
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>Can anyone tell me the difference between NPK red and blue
fertilisers,
>and what crops each should be used on, or not used on.
>
>Thanks

Anything that is red or blue is not an organic product and should not
be used on anything. I am an organic gardener. Others will have
differing opinions. These are chemically derived products.

Victoria

Glenn Cornish

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sk...@bway.net

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In article <5cl4n6$5...@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>,
ani...@ix.netcom.com(:) wrote:

> In <32EE3B...@mandurah.wa.gov.au> Glenn Cornish
> <gle...@mandurah.wa.gov.au> writes:
> >

> Anything that is red or blue is not an organic product and should not
> be used on anything. I am an organic gardener. Others will have
> differing opinions. These are chemically derived products.
>
> Victoria

Now, now Victoria, These could be organic <grin>, you don't know for
sure, they're chemically based.

So, is your new favoriite 'phrase' going to be **NEWSFLASH** ?

The above message said in good natured humor, of course. :- )
Bill & Harvey
SKID zone 6 CT USA

John A. Keslick, Jr.

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More on fertilizers at A touch of Chemistry at.
http://www.pond.com/~treeman/SHIGO.html
--

John A. Keslick Jr. Tree Anatomist & Tree Biologist
Sustainable Forest? Only with TREE BIOLOGY in mind.
Organic Tree Treatment Web Site:
http://www.ccil.org/~treeman/
OR http://www.pond.com/~treeman

sk...@bway.net

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Jan 28, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/28/97
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> Can anyone tell me the difference between NPK red and blue fertilisers,
> and what crops each should be used on, or not used on.
>
> Thanks

Dear Glen,
There is no industry standard, as far as we know, in color coding NPK
fertilizers (we assume that these are the soluble types you are referring
to). There might, however, be, within a specific brand, a color coding of
either micro nutrients content, or percentages.

sk...@bway.net

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Jan 29, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/29/97
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Does the website include info on red and blue fertilizer? Gosh, we hope
so!!!! :- )

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Jan 29, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/29/97
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In <skid-28019...@dial14.bway.net> sk...@bway.net writes:

Victoria obstinately (admittedly so)!


>> Anything that is red or blue is not an organic product and should
not
>> be used on anything. I am an organic gardener. Others will have
>> differing opinions. These are chemically derived products.
>>
>> Victoria
>
>Now, now Victoria, These could be organic <grin>, you don't know for
>sure, they're chemically based.
>
>So, is your new favoriite 'phrase' going to be **NEWSFLASH** ?
>

>The above message said in good natured humor, of course. :- )


>Bill & Harvey
>SKID zone 6 CT USA

I know of no organic product in which the color is red or blue.
Do you? Not even sludge is red or blue!

Well, maybe when my dog poops out his "artful" stuff, with plastic
toys, it may be red or blue!

Victoria


John A. Keslick, Jr.

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Jan 29, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/29/97
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Hey bill what is bicarbonat anion exchange?

John A. Keslick, Jr.

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Jan 29, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/29/97
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Hey skid, wrong site. Try this one on for size. A TOUCH of CHEMISTRY

http://www.pond.com/~treeman/CHEM.html

sk...@bway.net

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Jan 30, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/30/97
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In article <32EFCA...@pond.com>, tre...@pond.com wrote:

> Hey bill what is bicarbonat anion exchange?

> --
>
> John A. Keslick Jr. Tree Anatomist & Tree Biologist
> Sustainable Forest? Only with TREE BIOLOGY in mind.
> Organic Tree Treatment Web Site:
> http://www.ccil.org/~treeman/
> OR http://www.pond.com/~treeman

Uh, lets see here.......hmmmm. Ah! It's some bizarre sexual practice
utilized by backwood, inbred freaks like yourself? Is that right? :- )

Oh, geez, no, we just realized what the problem is......you're speaking in
tongues! Hey, does anyone know of any freeware we can download to convert
this crap?

Listen up Johnny Boy.....if you're going to get involved in a battle of
wits, at least show up well armed.....and with a dictionary.

**NEWSFLASH****NEWSFLASH****NEWSFLASH****NEWSFLASH****NEWSFLASH**

Did you know most writing programs come with a spell checking feature?

**NEWSFLASH****NEWSFLASH****NEWSFLASH****NEWSFLASH****NEWSFLASH**

Awaiting your witty reply,
Bill & Harvey

Liz Albrook

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Jan 30, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/30/97
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In article <32EFCA...@pond.com>, tre...@pond.com says...

> Hey bill what is bicarbonat anion exchange?

I'm not bill nor Bill nor Harvey but assuming that you are refering to
bicarbonate this one is simple. The bicarbonate anion, formed upon
the solvation of carbon dioxide in water, has the formula HCO3 with a
single negative charge (hence the designation anion). Bicarbonate,
when in an aqueous solution, readily attaches itself to any polymer
(synthetic or naturally occuring) that has slight positive charge.
When a more active anion floats over into the vicinity of the attached
bicarbonate it displaces the bicarbonate, taking up it's attached
position. The bicarbonate is then redissolved into the aqueous
solution. It's called anion exchange because both substances
(bicarbonate and it's more active replacement) exchange positions.

Since you undoubtably wish to know how this applies to trees, such an
exchange occurs within the roots of the tree in the presence of some
anions. The new anion is ultimately integrated into the tree, the
bicarbonate is ultimately deposited in the ground.

Now, I have a question for you, John. What is triphenylformazan and
what function does it serve in bacteria? You might wish to reveal
it's photochemical and photophysical properties as well since they are
important. After all, this question has as much to do with NPK red
and blue fertilizers as your question.
--
Liz Albrook
USDA Zone 7, Sunset Zone 3
North Central Idaho

John A. Keslick, Jr.

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Jan 30, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/30/97
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Very very good liz. Now explain how adding synthetic nitrogen to the
soil around a tree reduces storage of food for a tree.

Allyn Weaks

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In article <32F141...@pond.com>, tre...@pond.com wrote:

> Very very good liz. Now explain how adding synthetic nitrogen to the
> soil around a tree reduces storage of food for a tree.

Ooh, that's an easy one! It's 'cause synthetic nitrogen can only be made
in nuclear reactors, so it's real expensive, so it's paid for by
governments and large corporations, who are inherently evil!
--
Allyn Weaks al...@u.washington.edu
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Liz Albrook

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In article <32F141...@pond.com>, tre...@pond.com says...

> Very very good liz. Now explain how adding synthetic nitrogen to the
> soil around a tree reduces storage of food for a tree.

Sure John, no sweat. I've already answered one of yours and will
answer this one just as soon as you answer the one I posed for you.

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Feb 1, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/1/97
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>In article <32F141...@pond.com>, tre...@pond.com says...
>> Very very good liz. Now explain how adding synthetic nitrogen to
the
>> soil around a tree reduces storage of food for a tree.
>

Synthetic fertilizers are water soluble. Certified Organic fertilizers
are not.

John A. Keslick, Jr.

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Feb 1, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/1/97
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Thats not what we mean. We mean about the bicarbonate anion exchage
between tree and soil. If you would like to read about it I posted and
article on the web. Enjoy.

http://www.pond.com/~treeman/CHEM.html

and some on bicarbonate ion at

http://www.pond.com/~treeman/RHIZO.html
--

John A. Keslick Jr. Tree Anatomist & Tree Biologist
Sustainable Forest? Only with TREE BIOLOGY in mind.
Organic Tree Treatment Web Site:

http://www.pond.com/~treeman
or http://www.ccil.org/~treeman/

John A. Keslick, Jr.

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Feb 1, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/1/97
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That's not what we mean. We mean about the bicarbonate anion exchange

between tree and soil. If you would like to read about it I posted and
article on the web. Enjoy.

http://www.pond.com/~treeman/CHEM.html

and some on bicarbonate ion at

http://www.pond.com/~treeman/RHIZO.html


I have more but I will have to go over my notes. I am not that good
with chemistry but do understand the basic theory and concept.

One thing is organic fertilizer adds carbon to the soil where synthetic
does not. Soils deficient in carbon are now noticed to be associated
with high nitrates in streams and ground water. This can make a big
difference when it comes to the C:N Ratio. So we can say that synthetic
fertilizers have the ability to deplete the soil while the act can
contaminate water.

Yes, I know manures can contaminate water, that is why we suggest no
more than 1 pound of slow release nitrogen per 1000 sq' at on time
(ORGANIC). That is the maximum dose. However the more N in a yard will
produce more dandelions in my area. They love nitrogen. Matter a fact
if you have lots of dandelions you can say you have high nitrogen.
Oh, well I have to go work on a project for an associate. Talk to ya
later.

With Love, John

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