Compost pile - dog poop okay?
Glenna Feir
stuff every morning (we have two good-sized dogs) and he wants to throw it on
my just started compost pile.
Is this going to be good for it?
Thanks,
Glenna
kl...@cobra.uni.edu
> My husband asked me to post this....he picks up quite a bit of this disgusting
> stuff every morning (we have two good-sized dogs) and he wants to throw it on
> my just started compost pile.
It'll work, but it's not a great idea from a public health standpoint or
a stench standpoint.
I'd suggest digging a hole and making a proper anaerobic digester. Many
"kennel management" books have plans, or you can buy a prefab unit
like a "doggie dooley" from a pet supply company like Omaha Vaccine or
Drs. Foster and Smith.
Kay Klier kl...@cobra.uni.edu
Boyd Zenner
> My husband asked me to post this....he picks up quite a bit of this disgusting
> stuff every morning (we have two good-sized dogs) and he wants to throw it on
> my just started compost pile.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Glenna
NO.
Evidently there is some mechanism--the appallingly coy name of
which escapes me at the moment; think it might have been
something like "Doggie Doody"--that breaks down dog wastes,
enabling you to use the result on ornamental plants.
However, you should NOT use canine (or feline, or human) manure
on vegetable plants or anything else you might eventually
consume.
Boyd
bw...@conlin.com
finished product on your vegetable garden. There's some debate
on whether or not a compost pile gets hot enough to kill anything
coming in with the dog poop, like worms or germs.
Just use common sense. And wash your hands after working on the
compost You do that anyway, don't you? Reminds me of when my SO
just *had* to use fertilizer and chemicals on the lawn,
completely ignoring my plea that it would hurt the dogs and cats.
When he was through, he came in and used the bathroom and THEN
washed his hands. A few minutes later, he was frantically
washing his, umm, private part trying to get the chemical burning
to stop. He turned over all lawn work and gardening to me and
we've been organic ever since. :-O
Sam (samantha)
Walter Vose Jeffries
In article <1995Mar30.0...@cobra.uni.edu> (rec.gardens), kl...@cobra.uni.edu writes:
> > My husband asked me to post this....he picks up quite a bit of this disgusting
> > stuff every morning (we have two good-sized dogs) and he wants to throw it on
> > my just started compost pile.
>
> a stench standpoint.
Hmmm... And why are dog poops not okay yet we all love
getting horse, cow, rabbit, etc poops for the compost pile?
Most of the diseases these animals, including dogs, get
don't cross over to humans but all of them do have some
diseases that do cross over so that would not seem to be
the reason. I'm curious as to why several people have said
that dog and cat poops are a public health hazard in the
compost pile yet people advocate using cow, horse and
rabbit manure in the garden and compost pile.
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>My husband asked me to post this....he picks up quite a bit of this disgusting
>stuff every morning (we have two good-sized dogs) and he wants to throw it on
>my just started compost pile.
>Is this going to be good for it?
>Thanks,
>Glenna
I wouldn't. You are asking for problems. You will be attracting flies and
rats to name a few. I would bury the stuff in a spot in the garden that you
don't use that often.
You might be alright if you bury the stuff in the compost. Deep inside.
Don
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killand
>
>If you have to put dog poop in your compost pile, don't use the
>finished product on your vegetable garden. There's some debate
>on whether or not a compost pile gets hot enough to kill anything
>coming in with the dog poop, like worms or germs.
Hi and I stop at doggie doo! As a matter of fact, there are some plants
which are susceptble to Oranic matter borne pathogens. Both Tulips and
Peony are the major plants which get Botritis Blight which is deadly
to the plants they have infected.
My Ideas on composting are to use oganic matter, leaves grass cuttings
( free of 2,4d ) 16-20-0 to feed the microorganism which decompose the
compost.
( In Calgary, the humidity is very low and the rains are unpredictable
this close to the Rockies. ) Most people work peat into their beds.
more in the next post
Derryl
Simon Thompson
for dog poop. I don't think you should put it in your regular compost pile
not only because it is stinky and may carry disease organisms harmful to
people, but also because it makes the pile difficult to handle. Oddly
enough human urine is supposed to be good because it is, or should be,
disease free and is high in nitrogen. I haven't tried it.
Bryce Grevemeyer
>
>
> Hmmm... And why are dog poops not okay yet we all love
> getting horse, cow, rabbit, etc poops for the compost pile?
> Most of the diseases these animals, including dogs, get
> don't cross over to humans but all of them do have some
> diseases that do cross over so that would not seem to be
> the reason. I'm curious as to why several people have said
> that dog and cat poops are a public health hazard in the
> compost pile yet people advocate using cow, horse and
> rabbit manure in the garden and compost pile.
>
>
I do note that cats and dogs are carnivores and the others
are herbivores. That might make a difference.
Many years ago, I took care of an abused German shepherd for
a few weeks. Not knowing what else to do with it, (as well
as being a lazy bachelor) I simply used a strong spray from
the garden hose to convert the piles into a slurry in the
grass, right where it lay. Later, after the dog had found
a permanent home I noted that I had "spots" all over the back
yard where the grass was much greener and grew taller and
faster than the lawn in general.
Bryce
curt carlson
Glenna Feir) writes:
>
>
>>My husband asked me to post this....he picks up quite a bit of this
disgusting
>>stuff every morning (we have two good-sized dogs) and he wants to throw it on
>>my just started compost pile.
>
>>Is this going to be good for it?
>
>>Thanks,
>
>>Glenna
>
>I wouldn't. You are asking for problems. You will be attracting flies and
>rats to name a few. I would bury the stuff in a spot in the garden that you
>don't use that often.
>
>You might be alright if you bury the stuff in the compost. Deep inside.
>
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DON'T put dog or cat poop in your compost heap AT ALL if you intend to grow
food win soil treated with the compost. Chances are excellent that your
compost heap will not reach temperatures high enough to kill microorganisms
carried in pet feces that can make you VERY SICK!!! If you only intend to
put the stuff around your roses, knock yourselves out.
Curt Carlson
curtis....@stpaul.ncr.com
Perseverance furthers.
I Ching
WALKEM
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>Hmmm... And why are dog poops not okay yet we all love
>getting horse, cow, rabbit, etc poops for the compost pile?
>Most of the diseases these animals, including dogs, get
>don't cross over to humans but all of them do have some
>diseases that do cross over so that would not seem to be
>the reason. I'm curious as to why several people have said
>that dog and cat poops are a public health hazard in the
>compost pile yet people advocate using cow, horse and
>rabbit manure in the garden and compost pile.
>
I don't know the details, but from what I've seen on this newsgroup and read
elsewhere, the difference is that dogs and cats (and people, sometimes) are
carnivores, while horses, cows, and rabbits are herbivores. Apparantly, the
bacteria, viruses, and/or parasites that live in the intestines of carnivores
are dangerous to humans, whereas those from herbivores are not.
I think the conventional wisdom is that carnivore poop is a no-no, but
herbivore poop is OK. (However, I wouldn't recommend using vegetarian people
poop, either, in case you're wondering).
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>
>
>In article <1995Mar30.0...@cobra.uni.edu> (rec.gardens), kl...@cobra.uni.edu writes:
>> > My husband asked me to post this....he picks up quite a bit of this disgusting
>> > stuff every morning (we have two good-sized dogs) and he wants to throw it on
>> > my just started compost pile.
>>
>> It'll work, but it's not a great idea from a public health standpoint or
>> a stench standpoint.
>
>Hmmm... And why are dog poops not okay yet we all love
>getting horse, cow, rabbit, etc poops for the compost pile?
>Most of the diseases these animals, including dogs, get
>don't cross over to humans but all of them do have some
>diseases that do cross over so that would not seem to be
>the reason. I'm curious as to why several people have said
>that dog and cat poops are a public health hazard in the
>compost pile yet people advocate using cow, horse and
>rabbit manure in the garden and compost pile.
>
>
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Because dogs and cats share several enteric viruses with humans
that herbivores do not. However, if you let your compost pile cook
hot, or cook long, it shouldn't be a problem. I have been putting the
dog feces in the compost pile -- which sits for a year before being
used -- for 20 years now with no problem. And no smell problem,
either.
Chris Owens
Ravi Vaidyanathan
not. Vegetable based wastes are not a health hazard when they
decay, however animal wastes are. So for your own health its
best not to rake your dog poop into the compost pile.
Ravi
Emily Dashiell
in compost.
Pogo was right..
an...@peak.org
Emily Dashiell
On Wed, 29 Mar 1995, Glenna Feir wrote:
> My husband asked me to post this....he picks up quite a bit of this disgusting
> stuff every morning (we have two good-sized dogs) and he wants to throw it on
> my just started compost pile.
>
Polar
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>> No, no, please!!! Dog poop can contain a parasite which can make its
way through the soil into the food and into your (or your child's) eyes,
and cause eye disease and blindness!
A number of years ago, the L.A. Times had a thorough, and frightening,
article on the hazards of turning an empty lot into a neighborhood
garden. It's not enough to clear off the dog poop, cans, condoms and
other trash. The soil has to be thoroughly sterilized by (if memory
serves) spreading clear plastic over it until the sun burns out the
parasites.
INHO, stick to nursery-purchased, sterilized, chicken manure (the most
potent, but also must be used with care to avoid burning), or steer
manure (can be strong & salty; also use w/care).
Better still, save your table scraps (you probably do that anyway) and
mingle w/the grass & other compost materials.
Polar
>
wl-the_invisib...@society.com
IN>> My husband asked me to post this....he picks up quite a bit of this disgu
IN>> stuff every morning (we have two good-sized dogs) and he wants to throw
IN>> my just started compost pile.
IN>>
IN>> Is this going to be good for it?
IN>>
IN>> Thanks,
IN>>
IN>> Glenna
IN>>
not a good idea. There are several other postings on this forum on
this subject. but basically the 'worms' in the poop will not be
destroyed in the compost and these 'worms' can get into you via any
method such as from entering thru skin, food, air, etc. best to dispose
of properly. The same rule applys for using carnarvous(sp?) animals
poop. Use only vegetarian animals poop.
I am to poop to pop!
:)
the invisible gardener
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Information on organics.
Harry
worked well for growing a small lot (half acre) of field corn.
It was used more as a starter than anything.
Donald Kackman
Whenever using animal products (manure or table scraps) in compost make absolutely
sure that they are completely composted (at least a year) before applying to vegetable
crops. The bacteria in meat and manure, if ingested can cause some pretty nasty illnesses.
Don Kackman
Diveanddig
folks over there also actually think that meat eaters produce bad feces
and vegetarians produce good feces. Wrong!
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I am really confused. Have bacteria such as e.coli or parasitic worms
ever been found in vegetables? I know that the deadly e.coli bacteria is
found in beef that has been contaminated by cow feces (manure) in
slaughter houses but I have never heard of it showing up in vegetables or
fruit. This also holds true for parasites that are found in the
intestines of mammals such as dogs, cats, cows, sheep, deer, humans, and
horses. These parasites will not live in vegetation. The danger of using
uncomposted feces of any animal in the garden is that the exterior of the
fruit or vegetable might get contaminated with the feces and then find
it's way into an unfortunate individual's gut, but these pathogens do not
live inside vegetation.
If animal feces (manures) are properly composted in a compost pile,
pathogens and parasites will be destroyed by nature. If this were not the
case, the world would be three feet high in the pathogens after millions
of years of food passing through the guts of animals, fish, birds, and
reptiles. These bacteria will only live under very specific conditions
and will die quickly if these conditions are altered - THANK GOODNESS.
If anyone has heard of a case of intestinal parasites or intestinal
bacteria showing up INSIDE vegetables, I would like to hear from them.
Please send me the specific reference or study - I would like to read it.
When you think about it, the animal gut is the ultimate composter. It
takes vegetation and meat and changes it to an almost usable fertilizer in
about 24 hours. Just let it dry out and plants can use it as food and
produce more food for the animals. Ain't nature great!!
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Just one last point concerning the great 'poop' debate on this board. One
should NOT feel comfortable using FRESH cow or horse feces (manure)
DIRECTLY in the garden just because these animals do not eat meat. Don't
forget, grazing animals eat their food off the ground where other
contaminated animals might have 'pooped'. We share intestinal parasites
and bacteria as well as other diseases with these animals so a vegetable
that has been dropped into a fresh 'meadow muffin' should be washed very
well before eating ;-). ALL animal feces (manures) MAY, or may not,
contain harmful parasites or pathogens.
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Bill Bird zone 6 NY
teresa m. esch
cats and dogs out of their gardens? I 'm not going to
deliberatly put the dog feces in the garden, but it can't be
THAT bad...
teresa
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Diveanddig
contain pathogens and parasites. Compost it and let nature make it good.
Cats and dogs like to dig in gardens also.
SGerngross
length of time, forget it. You're risking transmitting parasites and
disease to yourself. Actually, forget fecal matter of any meat-eating
animal. Same reason.
Regards,