Kudzu in California
Rev Chuck
>
> I have a barren hillside, and I wanted something to take over that area
> that doesn't take a lot of fuss. Plus, I'm sort of an impatient type,
> and I hear kudzu grows pretty fast.
Find out what cover crop your state highway department uses to keep
barren hillsides from eroding. Likely, it'll be either cosmos or
hairy vetch. Vetches, being legumes, can be innoculated with
rhizobacteria to enable them to fix their own nitrogen from air.
Either plant has a major advantage over kudzu. A good, hard winter
cold snap will kill them.
If you're impatient, you won't want kudzu anyway. A packet of seeds
will take about two years to produce a single vine. It's only then that
the gates of hell fly open...
--
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have any?
Charles Stretch Ledford
fre...@webtv.net wrote:
> Can kudzu be grown in southern California? Does anyone in this area
> have any?
Why on God's green earth would you WANT the infernal stuff??
I'm surprised it's not illegal to bring it into California.
I grew up and lived for a long time in the South, and kudzu has very damn
near taken over the place.
It's got to be one of the most invasive, uncontrollable plants in the world.
--
Charles "Stretch" Ledford
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fre...@webtv.net
Allan&Teresa Widner
years down the road. It has become one of the largest threats to forests in
parts of the south. Not gardens, not individual trees - entire forests. I
would ponder long and hard before messing with it, unless it is already
living in your area.
Hawk
fre...@webtv.net wrote in message
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CGoodson
neighbors) don't want. Being an import(non-native) it was brought in to
control erosion in the Southeastern U.S. Unfortunately, there is nothing
here that deters it or has kudzu in it's food chain. There has to be a
regulation/law that forbids importing this into your area! I can't
emphasize it enough, kudzu isn't the answer. Try talking to a local ag
extension person, or a someone that does landscaping in your area. They
might be able to offer you a good alternative. I remember seeing Ice Plant
used on some hillsides/terraces out there in CA. I don't know that much
about that plant(whether it's too invasive?), but it seemed to be
thriving...
-Chuck
Les Todd
rejected, or through border stations. Probably is still restricted. Les
Tracey
HiSt...@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) writes:
>I'm surprised it's not illegal to bring it into California.
Probably is. They don't even let you take fruit across certain lines.
Tracey
Mike & Donna McCombs
and anything that gets in it's path. Besides, in winter it turns
a yucky color. Then it looks like a jungle of dead vines. But of
course , grows back. If you plant it , you will live to regret
planting it. Your neighbor's will hate you too. What about
English Ivy ?
donna
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Cindy
wonder about its use in northern areas where the freeze would kill it back.
Or would it? I just don't know and I've never seen any information about
it.
Cindy
Charles "Stretch" Ledford <HiSt...@GoStretch.com> wrote in article
<HiStretch-020...@pool-207-205-214-238.dnvr.grid.net>...
> In article <25853-37...@newsd-163.iap.bryant.webtv.net>,
> fre...@webtv.net wrote:
>
> > Can kudzu be grown in southern California? Does anyone in this area
> > have any?
>
> Why on God's green earth would you WANT the infernal stuff??
>
> I'm surprised it's not illegal to bring it into California.
>
Cindy
Cindy
Mike & Donna McCombs <NOSP...@sunline.net> wrote in article
<7llhej$a...@enews3.newsguy.com>...
> Kudzu is terribly invasive. It will choke out vegetation, trees
> and anything that gets in it's path. Besides, in winter it turns
> a yucky color. Then it looks like a jungle of dead vines. But of
> course , grows back. If you plant it , you will live to regret
> planting it. Your neighbor's will hate you too. What about
> English Ivy ?
> donna
>
> <fre...@webtv.net> wrote in message
> news:25853-37...@newsd-163.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
Joan Conrad
> Can kudzu be grown in southern California? Does anyone in this area
> have any?
I have no idea if kudzu will grow in California, but I cannot imagine
that anyone would purposely want to grow the stuff. Here in the
southeast it is a very big pain in the kazoo! It will grow anywhere and
once it gets rooted, is impossible to kill. It climbs on trees,
telephone poles, and across the wires. It is the most rapidly growing
weed there is. I saw it engulf an entire empty house, inside and out, in
one summer. If you are looking for erosion control, go with another
solution.
There is nothing that this plant can't live through, even war.
- Joan Conrad
fre...@webtv.net
control, I'd just stop watering it. It looks like such a beautiful
plant. I just love vines. I have this ugly chain link fence at the top
of a barren sandy slope, and I think something like kudzu would make it
look just beautiful. I was going to plant oleanders, but there is some
kind of disease going around which will eventually kill them all. I am
totally charmed by some of the pictures of the south where I see the
kudzu growing. In my opinion, they're gorgeous. I think it's a
wonderful way to camouflage blight. I guess every area has they're
pests. When I lived in Oregon, everybody griped about morning glories,
and how hard they were to control. They were everywhere. But I liked
them.
Freddy
Ann
>I know that in southern climates, it has been a horrible disaster, but I
>wonder about its use in northern areas where the freeze would kill it back.
> Or would it? I just don't know and I've never seen any information about
>it.
I am not advocating anyone plant kudzu, however, there is a house down
the street that has it planted along a porch on the south side. Every
year it grows into a nice looking screen, and every winter it dies
back to the ground. It freezes hard around here, for several months.
--
Ann
Gardening in Zone 6a
Just south of Boston, MA
Fix the from: 9 is the spam trap!
madgardener
for weeks and it came back, minus 10 sometimes, it's a perennial rooted vine
that is evil, I kinda like the purple flowers, and the vine is beautiful, but
it does go where it wants to and has been known to grown up to 18 inches in one
night in Georgia, no lie. And ivy? Say Boston Ivy to my best friend, Dian in
Oregon and she might personally come down and wring your neck, she is currently
in the process of battling ivy that was allowed to go and do what it wanted and
from her descroptions it sounds worse than kudzu in someways. I would take
chances with Herman's pride lamium and Creeping jenny and Ajuga and a few
others rather than Kudzu and ivy but that's just my opinion madgardener
Cindy wrote:
> I know that in southern climates, it has been a horrible disaster, but I
> wonder about its use in northern areas where the freeze would kill it back.
> Or would it? I just don't know and I've never seen any information about
> it.
> Cindy
>
> Charles "Stretch" Ledford <HiSt...@GoStretch.com> wrote in article
> <HiStretch-020...@pool-207-205-214-238.dnvr.grid.net>...
> > In article <25853-37...@newsd-163.iap.bryant.webtv.net>,
> > fre...@webtv.net wrote:
> >
> > > Can kudzu be grown in southern California? Does anyone in this area
> > > have any?
> >
TDLRINC
established watch out - it almost ate the south...
C. A. Owens
fre...@webtv.net wrote:
>
> Can kudzu be grown in southern California? Does anyone in this area
> have any?
If you would care to make enemies of everyone you know, and meet lots of
county and state Ag officials, plant kudzu. [IOW, don't do this!]
Kudzu is an highly invasive plant, and will take over everything around
it.
Chris Owens
Dave Green
>
> Can kudzu be grown in southern California? Does anyone in this area
> have any?
Didja ever notice that about every six months someone mentions "kudzu," and
it always starts a general brawl. I wonder if these are serious questions or
trolls, who enjoy the action that follows.
Okay...... just think of it as Y2K emergency food.......
In kudzu-challenged South Carolina (my neighbor's empty lot has disappeared,
and it's headed my way)
Polli...@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA
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Oz
<polli...@aol.comnospam> writes
>In kudzu-challenged South Carolina (my neighbor's empty lot has disappeared,
>and it's headed my way)
Hey, but I expect the bees love it. :-)
--
Oz
Dave Green
>>In kudzu-challenged South Carolina (my neighbor's empty lot has disappeared,
>>and it's headed my way)
>
>Hey, but I expect the bees love it. :-)
Bumblebees do. Apparently the flower is too deep for honeybees' short
tongue. It's a beautiful flower. Some folks make kudzu blossom jelly.
CGoodson
>Somewhere out there there is a troll instruction school that lists all
>the hot words for each newsgroup that can be used to start a
>shitstorm. Kudzu definitely is on that list.
Ann,
About the time I think a post might be just troll generated, I also think of
the amount of uninformed people out there....
Could you see everyone ignoring his post and him somehow getting hold of
some Kudzu? Misery loves company, I could see someone down here in the
South saying "OK, you want some of this" ;-)
-Chuck
Charles Stretch Ledford
> Zetan's Book of Enlightenment reveals that on Fri, 02 Jul 1999 15:14:22
> -0600, Charles "Stretch" Ledford wrote:
>
> >Why on God's green earth would you WANT the infernal stuff??
>
> Just look at where the post is coming from, and the answer will come to
> you.
>
> "Troll....troll...troll...."
Yeah... that was my first thought! But I figured to give him the benefit
of the doubt...
Charles Stretch Ledford
polli...@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) wrote:
> I wonder if these are serious questions or
> trolls, who enjoy the action that follows.
>
> Okay...... just think of it as Y2K emergency food.......
>
You reckon it's edible, in any form?
Charles Stretch Ledford
(Ann) wrote:
> Somewhere out there there is a troll instruction school that lists all
> the hot words for each newsgroup that can be used to start a
> shitstorm. Kudzu definitely is on that list.
And cats.
Charles Stretch Ledford
>
> About the time I think a post might be just troll generated, I also think of
> the amount of uninformed people out there....
> Could you see everyone ignoring his post and him somehow getting hold of
> some Kudzu? Misery loves company, I could see someone down here in the
> South saying "OK, you want some of this" ;-)
> -Chuck
Hey... I was born and raised in the South.. and... now that you MENTION it...
This guy IS in California, right?!
Let's send him as much as possible!
All in favor, whistle Dixie!
Hoorah!
Ann
> Didja ever notice that about every six months someone mentions "kudzu," and
>it always starts a general brawl. I wonder if these are serious questions or
>trolls, who enjoy the action that follows.
Somewhere out there there is a troll instruction school that lists all
the hot words for each newsgroup that can be used to start a
shitstorm. Kudzu definitely is on that list.
--
C. A. Owens
Charles Stretch Ledford wrote:
>
> In article <7lpa6f$210m$1...@news.gate.net>, "CGoodson" <cgoo...@gate.net> wrote:
>
> >
> > About the time I think a post might be just troll generated, I also think of
> > the amount of uninformed people out there....
> > Could you see everyone ignoring his post and him somehow getting hold of
> > some Kudzu? Misery loves company, I could see someone down here in the
> > South saying "OK, you want some of this" ;-)
> > -Chuck
>
> Hey... I was born and raised in the South.. and... now that you MENTION it...
>
> This guy IS in California, right?!
>
> Let's send him as much as possible!
>
> All in favor, whistle Dixie!
Now, Charles, what do you have against all of his neighbors? ;>
Chris Owens
Charles Stretch Ledford
cao...@redsuspenders.com wrote:
You mean other than the fact that they live in California? ;)
Sam J. Bowling
Charles Stretch Ledford wrote:
>
<munch>
>
> Hey... I was born and raised in the South.. and... now that you MENTION it...
>
> This guy IS in California, right?!
>
> Let's send him as much as possible!
>
> All in favor, whistle Dixie!
>
> Hoorah!
>
> --
> Charles "Stretch" Ledford
Please Don't. I live in California and have spent the last year getting
this wreck of a yard into a halfway decent mess.
--
Sam J. Bowling
Sam and Kerry
ornaments as PWT (Poor White Trash).
Charles "Stretch" Ledford <HiSt...@GoStretch.com> wrote in message
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> In article <3781AA25...@pacbell.net>, "Sam J. Bowling"
> yards... an old, rusty, beat up Chevy makes a great lawn ornament!
Charles Stretch Ledford
<far...@mail.utexas.edu.edu (remove one edu to send mail)> wrote:
> I live in the South, and we refer to people who have wrecked cars as lawn
> ornaments as PWT (Poor White Trash).
UM... my grandfather and several uncles were mechanics whose garages were
on the same lots as were their houses. They nearly always had "works in
progress" sitting around.
Although they struggled, at times, to feed large families, they considered
themselves to be blessed, and did their best to help the really "poor"
families.
Yes, they were "white," but I don't see that you can make the a priori
assumption that anyone who has a wreck sitting on their lawn is so,
necessarily.
And they knew "trash"... those folks down the road who beat their wives,
and whose lewd acts with their daughters shamed the poor girls into lives
lost as prostitutes, or worse.
PWT? It's easy to throw that phrase around; in the future, I trust you'll
refrain from passing judgement on the quality of a man based on the number
of cinder-blocked automobiles in his yard.
fre...@webtv.net
I noticed you that you asked Sam to not pass judgement on people who
keep junked automobiles on cinder blocks on their lawn. But in an
earlier post, you inferred that you had something against my neighbors
for no other reason than the fact that they live in California. Why are
you asking Sam to do something you are not willing to do yourself?
Freddy
Charles Stretch Ledford
fre...@webtv.net wrote:
Sorry, Sam... it was a JOKE! Shoulda put in the ;)
Mea culpa.
CGoodson
Probably because Stretch was obviously(to me) being humorous and just
teasing, and Sam's post seemed(also to me) rather serious...
Well it seems as if you have your answer about kudzu, whether you heed the
general consensus or not, is your call.
-Chuck
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Charles Stretch Ledford
zhan...@mindspring.com (Zhanataya) wrote:
> >
> >PWT? It's easy to throw that phrase around; in the future, I trust you'll
> >refrain from passing judgement on the quality of a man based on the number
> >of cinder-blocked automobiles in his yard.
> >
> >
> But Stretch, I understood the more junkers, the more
> affluence.
>
Um... YEAH! That's what I meant too! ;)
Ann
>PWT? It's easy to throw that phrase around; in the future, I trust you'll
>refrain from passing judgement on the quality of a man based on the number
>of cinder-blocked automobiles in his yard.
Hear, hear (and I mean that sincerely :o) )
Zhanataya
wrote:
Freddy, I can't tell if this is tongue in cheek, seroius, or
trolling. In any case its funny. If you do it can I come
visit your garden in about 6 months.
Zhan
Zhanataya
wrote:
>Stretch,
> I noticed you that you asked Sam to not pass judgement on people who
>keep junked automobiles on cinder blocks on their lawn. But in an
>earlier post, you inferred that you had something against my neighbors
>for no other reason than the fact that they live in California. Why are
>you asking Sam to do something you are not willing to do yourself?
>Freddy
Freedy come live in Florida for a few months. You'll find
his post funny then. Especially if you visit Bithilo.
Zhan - flame proof undies on.
Zhanataya
>
>PWT? It's easy to throw that phrase around; in the future, I trust you'll
>refrain from passing judgement on the quality of a man based on the number
>of cinder-blocked automobiles in his yard.
>
>
affluence.
Zhan
Allan&Teresa Widner
mid-engine half-ton van with graffiti painted all over it looked nice on
blocks under the mock orange! Gave the Jungle here a sort of homey, cozy,
groooovy look. Considered trying to convince them the flowers painted on it
were sacred Cherokee symbols, and they were infringing on my religious
rights - but they would probably find out I don't practice the religion of
my Ancestors, and get mad and make me lop off the mock orange, too - just
for spite. Besides - Bill the Cat Lives is not a religious statement.
Hawk
Zhanataya wrote in message <3797c82c...@news.mindspring.com>...
Charles Stretch Ledford
<atwi...@worldnet.att> wrote:
> Considered trying to convince them the flowers painted on it
> were sacred Cherokee symbols, and they were infringing on my religious
> rights -
ROTFL!
Stevans
amount, and within 6 weeks you'll have large-leaved vine beasts dominating
the hillside ;)
:-Dan
fre...@webtv.net wrote:
> I have a barren hillside, and I wanted something to take over that area
> that doesn't take a lot of fuss. Plus, I'm sort of an impatient type,
> and I hear kudzu grows pretty fast.