HGTV = Horrible Garden TeleVision
TOM KAN PA
What a stupid show! Does this Bob Villa wannabe think he's funny, informative,
or both? Well, I got a bulletin for him.
Immediately following, SURPRISE GARDEN.
What the hell is this show supposed to show other than if you have an endless
supply of money, you can hire the population of Rhode Island to clean up and
prepare your filthy "garden" area, and then plant mature plants, trees already
capable of producing fruit and shade. etc.
And this is all done in one day while you sit inside your house with your hand
over your eyes, waiting for the big surprise at the end of the day.
Do you think the new "I are a gardener" maintains the garden his/her self, or
has Jerry Baker come in monthly to pour stale beer over everything?
tom kan pa
Paul Onstad
Bob Villa has been bought and sold so many times he's a, er, ho-rrible.
-Paul
madgard
don't like the gardening guy, Paul James? He actually makes me laugh
because he's so refreshingly goofy about things, but so far i haven't
found any advice he's given to be wrong, he has been involved with
horticulture for over 20 years, but then again, maybe his brand of humor
isn't to your acceptance, and i can understand and not prejudge you. I
myself am a silly person sometimes and enjoy other people being free
enough to be that way themselves, and not so stiff.
Now I understand your despising Suprise gardening, that show is the
reason i call HGTV and complain (local call for me here in Dandridge)
and I suggest we gardeners get out in to the internet and complain to
remove this tripe and purchase rights to Gardening Naturally from
Barbara Damrosche and Elliot Coleman and see if they would be interested
in a working contract for their show. Keep the world gardening
specials, keep Gardeners Diary and Gardening Journal, maybe buy the new
Perennial Gardener and keep Jeff Cox's Grow it! because we are facinated
by his gold tooth and childlike love for all plants.
But geeze, Tom, can't we keep Gardening by the yard? Paul James ain't
that bad. I just wish HGTV would run that neat short special they did
on Great Gardeners, hosted by Peter Seabrook and Jim Wilson (remember
those guys?) Maybe even steal Tovah Martin and Roger Swaine to do a neat
formatted show on gardening on a real level.
I still like yer style, Tom. lets start e-mailing HGTV to clean uyp
their garden part of the format......ok? madgardener
Sammy's huwummun
PRASAD
I like Paul James- as long as he sticks to the point. Sometime the writing
gets out of hand- my son calls him a weirdo! I can see how he can turn off
some folks.
In general, I find that most of these shows don't go into anything deeply.
I find the exchanges on this newsgroup more informative and educational than
HGTV lore. Most folks here appear to be speaking from real experiences
including several failures and successes.
I wish the TV shows focus on either "growing one 'type' of plant" or one
concept (ex. amending clay soils ) and discuss all the pros and cons? Is
there any thing on the tube that uses a serious format?
Allan&Teresa Widner
I used to wonder why a certain person I know and occasionally loathe hated
Bob Villa. Then I took another look - in the old days, when he had Norm
with him, and treated him worse that the Toolman treated Al on the sitcom -
and then on one show after antoher, and said, "You know what? Bob Villa
DOES stink!"
I like Norm. But that is for a woodworking group, isn't it. And what Bob
Villa knows about gardening could fit in a thimble and leave room for a cat.
Hawk
Paul Onstad wrote in message <37C43E92...@sihope.com>...
>TOM KAN PA wrote:
>>
>> Watched GARDENING BY THE YARD last night on HGTV.
>> What a stupid show! Does this Bob Villa wannabe think he's funny,
informative,
>> or both? Well, I got a bulletin for him.
>> Immediately following, SURPRISE GARDEN.
>> What the hell is this show supposed to show other than if you have an
endless
>> supply of money, you can hire the population of Rhode Island to clean up
and
>> prepare your filthy "garden" area, and then plant mature plants, trees
already
>> capable of producing fruit and shade. etc.
>> And this is all done in one day while you sit inside your house with your
hand
>> over your eyes, waiting for the big surprise at the end of the day.
>> Do you think the new "I are a gardener" maintains the garden his/her
self, or
>> has Jerry Baker come in monthly to pour stale beer over everything?
>> tom kan pa
>
Bill Darnell
Bob
> Villa knows about gardening could fit in a thimble and leave room for a
cat.
>
> Hawk
Also goes for what he knows about woodworking.
Bill
Marilyn Root
Marilyn
Allan&Teresa Widner
half an hour, building his desk, and sit back and drink iced tea the rest of
the day.
Does he have any books out? I need to check. Improve my skills with the
old Shopsmith....
Right after I decide if I should put a little pond in my back garden or not.
I ought post a pic of the raw material I have back there (on the binaries NG
for garden pics, of course) and then get opinions. Hmm - I need to get some
film for the Polaroid, then, because the 35mm has a fresh clip in, and it
will be months before I get it developed.....
Hawk
Marilyn Root wrote in message <7q28h9$b...@acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us>...
busybee
and router grooves fit together perfectly every time. Watching Norm is very
relaxing!
--Busybee
RB
Of course, the shows which focus on growing exotic stuff in zone 9(palm
trees, for eg)
make those of us in chilly zone 5a a bit jealous :)
RB
Wendy B G
>with him, and treated him worse that the Toolman treated Al on the sitcom -
>and then on one show after antoher, and said, "You know what? Bob Villa
>DOES stink!"
That's why I hate Bob Villa, too! It's a good thing Norm is such a patient guy.
I'm glad he's the one who lasted on the show. At least he knows what he is
doing, and isn't just an arrogant figurehead!
Wendy
Shirley Hicks
<atwi...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
<snip>
>I like Norm. But that is for a woodworking group, isn't it. And what Bob
>Villa knows about gardening could fit in a thimble and leave room for a cat.
Norm's a babe. He can come and play with my tools any old time. ;D
Shirley Hicks
Cdn Zone 6b
Gardenman
Sammy's huwummun wrote:
> & deep-6 Rebecca, the Martha S. of gardens!!!! Rn't I cute????!
--
Stop bye and I 'll help your garden grow
http://members.bellatlantic.net/~frisch
Gardeners at Large
Building a better world,
one yard at a time
Ann
>Norm's a babe. He can come and play with my tools any old time. ;D
Hey, Shirley, last I heard he is now unattached.....
--
Ann, Gardening in Zone 6a
Just south of Boston, MA
Fix the from: 9 is the spam trap!
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If I keep a green bough in my heart, the singing bird will come.
~Chinese Proverb
Gandy Dancer
Gandy
Wishing he could get Bob's nose in a RoboGrip
Gandy Dancer
Gandy
Who almost lost a member whilst foolin' around in the shop
Shirley Hicks wrote in message <37c48f3d...@news1.sympatico.ca>...
>
>Norm's a babe. He can come and play with my tools any old time. ;D
>
Pooky999
Patty
Paul Onstad
>
> Hey!! I like Bob : | ... and his tool(s).
> Patty
I liked him when he began in the '80s during the boom times for restoration
of old houses (I owned a house built in 1898 at the time).
But then the contractors came in....and more contractors, and finally it was
those hugh hunks of ticky-tacky being erected in the suburbs.
-Paul
Mickey W
same darn thing show after show. How many times can I watch him draw
a flowerbed in the dirt with his shovel, and or paint can. Come on
HGTV... show me how to prune a tree or shrub, in detail. How many
times can we watch this guy design a flowerbed. I like Gardfening By
The Yard, of course I'm a little silly myself.
On 25 Aug 1999 16:37:26 GMT, tomk...@aol.comKMA (TOM KAN PA) wrote:
>Watched GARDENING BY THE YARD last night on HGTV.
>What a stupid show! Does this Bob Villa wannabe think he's funny, informative,
>or both? Well, I got a bulletin for him.
>Immediately following, SURPRISE GARDEN.
>What the hell is this show supposed to show other than if you have an endless
>supply of money, you can hire the population of Rhode Island to clean up and
>prepare your filthy "garden" area, and then plant mature plants, trees already
>capable of producing fruit and shade. etc.
>And this is all done in one day while you sit inside your house with your hand
>over your eyes, waiting for the big surprise at the end of the day.
>Do you think the new "I are a gardener" maintains the garden his/her self, or
>has Jerry Baker come in monthly to pour stale beer over everything?
>tom kan pa
Mickey W
mic...@mindspring.com
Wendy B G
My husband put a pond in this spring. It has a 24" deep main pond (6' x 12'),
and an upper 6" deep "bio-pond" (3' x 4') for helping to purify the water and
prevent algae. They are connected by a waterfall. Because we have fish, we are
allowed to add water in the drought by DE state law.
I was amazed to see how many "garden plants" love the pond environment. The
bio-pond is full of mint, lemon balm, and even oxalis weed, growing happily
bare-rooted. We have a crystal-clear lower pond, and no algae.
We also have pots of spiderwort, cannas, and Siberian iris, with the bottom 4"
or so of the pots in the pond. Needless to say, this has helped a lot with
handling the drought! This is in addition to our many specific water plants.
My husband wants to add a "bog" area next to the pond. There are many "garden
plants" that are listed, that I wouldn't have necessarily identified as water
lovers (such as daylilies and asters).
There is a good newsgroup (rec.ponds) for ponders. But our pond is at least as
much garden as it is pond. Ponds are a lot of work, but also a lot of fun!
Wendy
Cheryl + Rich Isaak
I hate SURPRISE GARDENER too, what a poor show. It appears to be a
knockoff off GROUND FORCE which I catch on BBC America. Still, what you
can do with labor and money, but they show you the proper (read British)
way to do it and you get to see the problems, rain, 6 inches of concrete to
be jack hammered out, fountains exploding water. I actually will stop
gardening to watch it.
Cheryl
Cheryl
Gardening and Reading In Southern NH
Mom to Kurt 4/5/92 and Elise 9/2/98
Bill Morgan
wrote:
> Pooky999 wrote:
> >
> > Hey!! I like Bob : | ... and his tool(s).
Pook: you talkin' 'bout his power tool(s) or his hand tool(s)?
> I liked him when he began in the '80s during the boom times for restoration
> of old houses (I owned a house built in 1898 at the time).
>
> But then the contractors came in....and more contractors, and finally it was
> those hugh hunks of ticky-tacky being erected in the suburbs.
Ah Paul, that's the old "ruined" by success story. I used to like "The
Victory Garden" many years ago when it was relevant. Eventually though, it
became "Gardens of the Rich and Famous", and lost its appeal. And the
formerly countercultural "Mother Earth News" magazine went from being a
sometimes stupid (but still worthwhile and interesting) mag to a slick
publication with a totally different bent. It went from "back to the land"
to "life in the 'burbs".
Of course, these things all had to adapt or die, I suppose.
Regards,
Bill
--
Bill Morgan <wtmo...@pilot.msu.edu>
"Those who do not learn the lessons of science fiction are condemned to
live them."
Joyce Nigh
Mickey W wrote:
> My vote on the worst show is Designer's Landscape. This guy does the
> same darn thing show after show...
At least he may get some people to consider planting away from the foundation of
the house. Most people plant stuff right up against the foundation and leave the
rest of the yard in lawn with maybe a tree or two randomly located in the lawn.
Then they mound mulch up around the trunk of the tree to provide a nice habitat
for burrowing chipmunks. All this lawn requires that they buy John Deere tractors
to mow with. They're so unmaneuverable that they sometimes accidently chop off
parts of the young trees they planted.
If they'd put in some nice beds and plant groups of trees and shrubs they could
reduce the size of their lawns, thus saving the expense of the tractor. Just my
vent for the day. I LOVE the HGTV bashing because their shows are so STUPID in
general. I hate Garden Architecture because they plop crappy junk down on the lawn,
which will look OK for about 4 days until all that stuff will have to be moved to
mow under. The philosophy of that show is "you can solve all problems by adding
junky lawn ornaments", which is a common practice in these parts. I cannot
understand how people who have 3 junk cars on their lot think that adding a row of
flamingos up against the foundation will enhance the place. I am NOT going to
reveal where I live in this post because to do so would only enforce common
stereotypes about the area.
I used to look forward to "A Gardener's Journal" with Cathy Renwald when it was
shown every weekday morning at 8:30 on HGTV. It is by far the best gardening show
I've seen. She focuses on the plants and gardens instead of her personality. Most
garden shows have the camera on the actors too much. What I want to see are the
plants, not the dopey hosts. Ahh, I feel better already.
Joyce Nigh
Susan Wehe
There are always things that some of us can't grow. I see a lot of
pines and other plants needing an acid environment being planted on
these shows and with my alkaline soil, they're impossible to grow.
There are a great many plants that need winter chill, that only happens
here once every 10 years or so. You might not be able to grow all year
long like I can, but you don't normally suffer from the summer heat that
we do and I'm sure if you have the choice, wouldn't want to, anymore
than I would move to a colder climate or to trade my deep rich clay soil
that has few to no rocks for any other :)
susan
Victoria
but I am positive he is NOT a Vila wannabe. (BTW, Bob Vila is now Latin and his
name is pronounced Bob VeeLah. I heard it on some Latin award show.)
Anyway, Paul gives some wonderful beginner/intermediate information and he leans
toward the organic/natural solution, rather than the synthetic/chemical
solution. For that alone I give him credit. He also does it in a very soft way,
not like me...a buffalo in a china shop! But that idiotic Surprise Gardener!
I agree with you. It is the most awful crap I've seen in my life. I am also
sure Mr. Paul James would agree. Give him a better chance. His sense of humor
is that of a 10 year old, but he knows it, and no, he is not thinking he is
actually funny. I just think they have a great time taping that show. Or so it
seems.
Victoria
Victoria
-snip-
>I used to look forward to "A Gardener's Journal" with Cathy Renwald when it was
>shown every weekday morning at 8:30 on HGTV. It is by far the best gardening show
>I've seen. She focuses on the plants and gardens instead of her personality. Most
>garden shows have the camera on the actors too much. What I want to see are the
>plants, not the dopey hosts. Ahh, I feel better already.
>
>Joyce Nigh
You must mean those two idiots at Disney which they show daily now at 8:30am.
That show is not even good for bathroom reading.
Victoria
Victoria
-snip-
> Gardening Naturally from
>Barbara Damrosche and Elliot Coleman and see if they would be interested
>in a working contract for their show.
-snip-
YES YES YES! What happened to them, anyway? I once called Johnny's Seeds (also
at www.johnnyseeds.com ) and they said the show would continue, but I don't see
it yet. Have you heard anything about those two people? My husband calls them
"the mellow people." I love them. Have all their books too.
Victoria
Victoria
experience for many years, I learned a lot of what I know from Victory Garden
and other shows like that. I never complain too loudly about garden shows now
because at one time there were about two of them. I wonder what happened to
those two elderly people who live up in Watertown NY. Does anyone remember
their PBS show? I forgot the name of it, but they were the cutest Brits. I
could barely understand the man!
Victoria
James Copeland
craftsmen. I doubt that Norm would be at all happy if he was the one to
have to tell people, "Remember your tight budget? Well, you'd better double
it." Norm just doesn't seem the type. My favorite line was the time that
Bob told a couple that they could save $30,000 if they'd paint their rather
smallish ranch house, themselves. Lord! Just exactly how much DO painters
charge in the Northeast?
I never miss Norm's New Yankee Workshop. Just goes to show you what
experience and $100,000 worth of tools can do. <G> Husband to wife. "Why
yes, Hon. I can build a hutch just like Norm did. First we're going to
have to get a big building in the back yard. Let's see, $75,000 should do
it. And then there are the top-end tools to get. Say a 100,000 dollars for
a working figure. And then, oh, I don't know, say five years to learn how
to use those tools. Yes, Hon, I'll go back to my little compter."
Heck, I watch Martha Stewart, too. I get the biggest kick outta "First you
dig a hole twice the diameter of the root ball." and magically, a four foot
hole appears. Heck, I'd bet that Martha didn't even *supervise* the two
guys that spent an hour and half, digging that hole.
Even Paul James, whom I consider one of the best, ya gotta wonder, just
exactly how much time does he spend in the yard and garden. Seems like it
must be every waking minute.
James...
Victoria
wrote:
> > I like Norm. But that is for a woodworking group, isn't it. And what
>Bob
>> Villa knows about gardening could fit in a thimble and leave room for a
>cat.
>>
>> Hawk
>
>Also goes for what he knows about woodworking.
>Bill
>
And what's up with all the smashing around of expensive tools and/or materials?
Ever notice that? He's always throwing something down or smashing something.
Very strange character indeed.
Victoria
Victoria
Victoria
On Thu, 26 Aug 1999 02:28:45 GMT, Gardenman <fri...@postoffice.bellatlantic.net>
wrote:
Victoria
>for.ar...@sympatico.ca (Shirley Hicks) expounded:
>
>>Norm's a babe. He can come and play with my tools any old time. ;D
>
>Hey, Shirley, last I heard he is now unattached.....
Oh I don't like hearing that. But he is a babe! I can dig it.
V
James Copeland
lawyer some where requires him to say that in every show?
James...
Gandy Dancer <Tran...@rr.com> wrote in message
news:7q2ika$djo$1...@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net...
> Just remember shop safety...
>
> Gandy
> Who almost lost a member whilst foolin' around in the shop
>
> Shirley Hicks wrote in message <37c48f3d...@news1.sympatico.ca>...
> >
> >Norm's a babe. He can come and play with my tools any old time. ;D
> >
Tracey
<grin> I remember one morning my husband was watching with me,
and he said 'YOU could do all of that stuff!' And I said 'Sure, you
just get me the housekeeper to clean the house and the nanny to
watch the kids and I'll *definitely* make my own giftwrapping paper,
and grow everything that we eat and paper mache my own pinatas,
and....' I don't have any of those things, so I guess I'll have to rely
on Hallmark and others to do all of that.
--
Tracey
--
"I used to think that life should be fair.
But then I realized it's better that life
is unfair. If life is fair, it would mean
we deserve all the terrible things that
happen to us."
- Marcus, Ranger extrordinaire.
Victoria
>I wish my DH could build a desk in half an hour.
>
>Marilyn
Or one of those drop leaf maple tables.
Allan&Teresa Widner
Hawk
Joyce Nigh wrote in message <37C54C7B...@intrepid.net>...
Paul Onstad
> Ah Paul, that's the old "ruined" by success story. I used to like "The
> Victory Garden" many years ago when it was relevant. Eventually though, it
> became "Gardens of the Rich and Famous", and lost its appeal. And the
> formerly countercultural "Mother Earth News" magazine went from being a
> sometimes stupid (but still worthwhile and interesting) mag to a slick
> publication with a totally different bent. It went from "back to the land"
> to "life in the 'burbs".
>
> Of course, these things all had to adapt or die, I suppose.
Yup, including the catalogs that once upon a time almost convinced you they
were on your side. Little by little the newsprint turned to colored gloss
and garden trinkets became featured items.
...best of all, "Our specially blended compost starter, $8.95 a bag plus
shipping."
-Paul
Scott Waddell
Victoria <ani...@ticnet.com> wrote in article
<EE711DCE95B17AB4.15DCBBF4...@lp.airnews.net>...
> YES YES YES! What happened to them, anyway? I once called Johnny's
Seeds (also
> at www.johnnyseeds.com ) and they said the show would continue, but I
don't see
> it yet. Have you heard anything about those two people? My husband
calls them
> "the mellow people." I love them. Have all their books too.
LOL! I couldn't picture who you were talking about until I read this
quote.
Scott W.
Zone 5
Susan Wehe
susan
TOM KAN PA
tom kan pa
Gandy Dancer
group...still can't get those images of you polishing that "accordian" outta
my mind - never heard of it referred to as that before.
Gandy666
Pooky999 wrote in message <19990826020616...@ng-da1.aol.com>...
>Hey!! I like Bob : | ... and his tool(s).
>Patty
Gally
Robyn G
ZDBop
>that has few to no rocks for any other :)
No rocks??? That sucks. I thought gardeners were the inheritors of Calvinism.
Wayne--tongue firmly planted in cheek
**If at first you don't succeed...blame someone else and seek
counseling.**
ZDBop
Crockett, and then...nothing. Even Babe Ruth can't be topped, I guess. No
good gardening show, no good gardening magazines, and if Gardening for Dummies
is the best effort publishing can put out, I'll be content with Crockett's
Flower Garden for the rest of my life. Guess I must.
Why does it all seem so simple to us, but so complicated to them?
Wayne
theBorg
character from the original 1925 movie, "The Phantom of the Opera"?
Zhanataya
Thank you, I was wondering why she seemed so familiar to me.
Zhan
madgard
Rebecca wins hands down for me, at least she's more on a real level!!
madgardener
Gardenman wrote:
>
> Now wait a minute lets not get rid of the only garden babe on TV!
>
> Sammy's huwummun wrote:
>
> > & deep-6 Rebecca, the Martha S. of gardens!!!! Rn't I cute????!
>
> --
> Stop bye and I 'll help your garden grow
> http://members.bellatlantic.net/~frisch
> Gardeners at Large
> Building a better world,
> one yard at a time
madgard
impressive obsession for greenhouse growing up there where there is snow
and stuff, and makes me feel better......madgardener (who is dreading my
first attempt at two orchids Zhan sent me home to kill........errrr to
grow and bloom....)
madgard
LOVED that "Tool-Man" Tim Taylor was always battling Villa on ego stuff,
loved that tremendously, (also made me think that Villa really is an ego
maniac) madgardener
Gandy Dancer wrote:
>
> I can't believe Sears chose Villa to be their tool spokesman. He's a jerk.
>
> Gandy
> Wishing he could get Bob's nose in a RoboGrip
madgard
Even better than that, when he's not spouting the wonders and glories of
gardening (hmmmmmm, I see a similarity here somewheres.............) he
is now showing us his other passion, COOKING!! And his wife even
admitted on one show that before she married him she couldn't cook. And
at least we know he's got real kids, we've seen them, and you can't sit
there and tell me that they aren't having a rip-shit-=tear ass blast
filming the show....if they aren't then the out takes are
contradictory!! He sorta reminds me of Mike McGrath with rabid
enthuiasm to wann a tell EVERYONE about gardening....madgardener who is
just bubbling werds today...
>
> James...
Zhanataya
<mad...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>I agree with you there, given a choice between martha and Rebecca, well
>Rebecca wins hands down for me, at least she's more on a real level!!
>madgardener
Marilyn, if those were my only choices. I'd watch the fund
raisers on PBS <VBSEG>
Zhan
BeeCrofter
>>
Yep but then look at Sears lately stuff of the meanest quality wherever it can
be gotten away with and idiots on the sales floor.
Tom
There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com
Susan Wehe
really good food which starts with a really good garden. In addition,
my horticulture class does spend a lot of time on crafts and I get good
tips on crafts from both. I've had people ask me how I learned to tie
bows so nicely and I tell them "Martha taught me" :)
susan
madgard wrote:
>
> I agree with you there, given a choice between martha and Rebecca, well
> Rebecca wins hands down for me, at least she's more on a real level!!
> madgardener
>
CGoodson
I have to agree, I think Paul James is outstanding.... Yes, his sense of
humor is a little crazy at times, but if you had his job, wouldn't you be
ecstatic too? A lot of the other shows are just too much "fluff"! And my
other favorite TV gardening personality is Jim Wilson... Very mellow,
knowledgeable....
-Chuck
P.S. I'm always amazed at the fantastic equipment Paul J. has at his
disposal(Troybilt, Honda, etc....).
Bill Morgan
<gandy...@transcon.rr.com> wrote:
Well, let's not have you trying to get into 666999 on the newsgroup, Gandy.
That would be just beastly.
But surely, you know that the accordian is also called the "squeeze box",
and that there is a song about all that...
"There's no escape from the music on the whole damn street..."
Regards,
Bill
--
Bill Morgan <wtmo...@pilot.msu.edu>
"Those who do not learn the lessons of science fiction are condemned to
live them."
Bill Morgan
<6FB35803ACA35C0C.371794E0...@lp.airnews.net>,
ani...@ticnet.com wrote:
>
> And what's up with all the smashing around of expensive tools and/or
materials?
> Ever notice that? He's always throwing something down or smashing something.
>
Maybe he saw Townsend and The Whow in concert just once too often.
Bill Morgan
<4C5EB4711F5DB245.4DC36722...@lp.airnews.net>,
ani...@ticnet.com wrote:
> I agree. She have nice legs in those shorty shorts! :)
>
> Victoria
>
And that's not all, butt is this really how we judge hose and garter -- er,
I mean 'house and garden' -- shows now?
Infotainment or infotainmeat?
Ah, well.
At least there *are* such shows on TV. There is a market for that. No one
show is going to please everyone, but at least they are out there. And if
they succeed [live long] and prosper, they will be followed by more such
shows. And as the audience becomes more sophisticated, the programs will
have to keep up.
Or at least we can always hope. What we have now is certainly better than
we had it 15 years ago (almost nothing in most markets). A decade from now,
it could be better still...
Regards,
Bill (Who has no idea who this "Rebecca" is, but saw some sort of
opportunity for some puns.)
Bill Morgan
<6E50A17ABE7834D3.83C156CC...@lp.airnews.net>,
ani...@ticnet.com wrote:
> I never complain too loudly about garden shows now
> because at one time there were about two of them.
Right. And before that, none.
Kind of like the sci-buffs arguing about which of the 5 "Star Trek" series
is/was best. Or whether "ST: Deep Space Nine" is better than or not as good
as "Babylon 5." (That Howard Stern radio guy said that "Babylon 5 is the
best new Star Trek", perhaps not [or not not] noticing that is was not ST
at all...).
Those folks should quit arguing and just be glad that there's any sci-fi on
TV right now.
And hope for (and demand) better, later.
Regards,
Bill
Bill McCarty
TOM KAN PA wrote in message
<19990825123726...@ng-ch1.aol.com>...
>Watched GARDENING BY THE YARD last night on HGTV.
>What a stupid show! Does this Bob Villa wannabe think he's funny,
informative,
>or both? Well, I got a bulletin for him.
>Immediately following, SURPRISE GARDEN.
>What the hell is this show supposed to show other than if you have an
endless
>supply of money, you can hire the population of Rhode Island to clean up
and
>prepare your filthy "garden" area, and then plant mature plants, trees
already
>capable of producing fruit and shade. etc.
Snip.
Ah,,,,Tom. Because you didn't like it does not make it stupid. MOST
television is merely chewing gum for the eyeballs. MOST television is not
meant to be useful, informative, educational, inspiring or even funny, It's
merely a device to deliver an audience to an advertiser. Don't like it ?
Don't watch it !
Regards, Bmc.
Victoria
I have myriad of excellent books on gardening, gardens, plants, design, etc.
But I agree with your last sentiment. UNfortunately, the marketeers are who
create these inane shows for us to watch like robots.
Victoria
Victoria
> To be honest, I watch them both, but for different reasons. We do like
>really good food which starts with a really good garden. In addition,
>my horticulture class does spend a lot of time on crafts and I get good
>tips on crafts from both. I've had people ask me how I learned to tie
>bows so nicely and I tell them "Martha taught me" :)
Me too. I happen to like Martha! Sure she is WASPy snob, but so what. She
also has a great sense of humor about it all. Did you see her and Rosie O'D
with Sally Jesse and Norm when they helped build and decorate that Habitat for
Humanity House? That was very funny. Or when Rosie O'D was on her show and
they did decoupage?
Rebecca is very unassuming and sweet. I like her too. She stuffs as much as
she can into every show. I like that.
And hey, my dish detergent bottle is a nice one with a little booze bottle
pouring thing. If I didn't have Martha, how would I have known to do that?
Huh? Huh?
Victoria
Victoria
>Is it just me or does Susie Coelho from "Surprise Gardner" look like Lon Chaney's
>character from the original 1925 movie, "The Phantom of the Opera"?
>
>
I don't know. I was too busy staring at her big boobs popping out from behind
the straps on her overalls, which are immaculate. I think I might be a guy!
Victoria
Victoria
>In article
><6FB35803ACA35C0C.371794E0...@lp.airnews.net>,
>ani...@ticnet.com wrote:
>
>>
>> And what's up with all the smashing around of expensive tools and/or
>materials?
>> Ever notice that? He's always throwing something down or smashing something.
>>
>
>Maybe he saw Townsend and The Whow in concert just once too often.
>
>Regards,
>Bill
Who's the Whow?
Victoria
-snip-
> And at least we know he's got real kids, we've seen them, and you can't sit
>there and tell me that they aren't having a rip-shit-=tear ass blast
>filming the show....if they aren't then the out takes are
>contradictory!! He sorta reminds me of Mike McGrath with rabid
>enthuiasm to wann a tell EVERYONE about gardening....madgardener who is
>just bubbling werds today...
>>
>> James...
We can see how hysterical those babies are! Marilyn, my sentiments, exactly.
He is very McGrathian...
Victoria
Victoria
Bill said: "Forgive me father I have sinned..."
Father said (me really in drag as the Father): "Back up..."
Bill said: "What, the one about sci-fi buffs arguing..."
Father said: (me again in drag playing the Father): "No, to the one where you
say "That Howard Stern radio guy said..." YOU LISTEN TO STERN?
Kindred.
Victoria-but I used to like him before he became obsessed with women and their
parts and what their parts can do, with what noises can come out etc...talk
about retreating to immature! Hooooo boy.
ThornOKeef
the whole family could enjoy. Then again, I've not a family, so what do I
know?
Cheers,
Erick.
nimrod
Nimrod
Joyce Nigh wrote:
> Mickey W wrote:
>
> > My vote on the worst show is Designer's Landscape. This guy does the
> > same darn thing show after show...
>
> At least he may get some people to consider planting away from the foundation of
> the house. Most people plant stuff right up against the foundation and leave the
> rest of the yard in lawn with maybe a tree or two randomly located in the lawn.
> Then they mound mulch up around the trunk of the tree to provide a nice habitat
> for burrowing chipmunks. All this lawn requires that they buy John Deere tractors
> to mow with. They're so unmaneuverable that they sometimes accidently chop off
> parts of the young trees they planted.
>
> If they'd put in some nice beds and plant groups of trees and shrubs they could
> reduce the size of their lawns, thus saving the expense of the tractor. Just my
> vent for the day. I LOVE the HGTV bashing because their shows are so STUPID in
> general. I hate Garden Architecture because they plop crappy junk down on the lawn,
> which will look OK for about 4 days until all that stuff will have to be moved to
> mow under. The philosophy of that show is "you can solve all problems by adding
> junky lawn ornaments", which is a common practice in these parts. I cannot
> understand how people who have 3 junk cars on their lot think that adding a row of
> flamingos up against the foundation will enhance the place. I am NOT going to
> reveal where I live in this post because to do so would only enforce common
> stereotypes about the area.
>
> I used to look forward to "A Gardener's Journal" with Cathy Renwald when it was
> shown every weekday morning at 8:30 on HGTV. It is by far the best gardening show
> I've seen. She focuses on the plants and gardens instead of her personality. Most
> garden shows have the camera on the actors too much. What I want to see are the
> plants, not the dopey hosts. Ahh, I feel better already.
>
> Joyce Nigh
nimrod
nimrod
Victoria wrote:
> Oh Tom, not my Paul James. I really like the guy. Yes, he is goony and goofy,
> but I am positive he is NOT a Vila wannabe. (BTW, Bob Vila is now Latin and his
> name is pronounced Bob VeeLah. I heard it on some Latin award show.)
>
> Anyway, Paul gives some wonderful beginner/intermediate information and he leans
> toward the organic/natural solution, rather than the synthetic/chemical
> solution. For that alone I give him credit. He also does it in a very soft way,
> not like me...a buffalo in a china shop! But that idiotic Surprise Gardener!
> I agree with you. It is the most awful crap I've seen in my life. I am also
> sure Mr. Paul James would agree. Give him a better chance. His sense of humor
> is that of a 10 year old, but he knows it, and no, he is not thinking he is
> actually funny. I just think they have a great time taping that show. Or so it
> seems.
>
> Victoria
>
> On 25 Aug 1999 16:37:26 GMT, tomk...@aol.comKMA (TOM KAN PA) wrote:
>
> >Watched GARDENING BY THE YARD last night on HGTV.
> >What a stupid show! Does this Bob Villa wannabe think he's funny, informative,
> >or both? Well, I got a bulletin for him.
> >Immediately following, SURPRISE GARDEN.
> >What the hell is this show supposed to show other than if you have an endless
> >supply of money, you can hire the population of Rhode Island to clean up and
> >prepare your filthy "garden" area, and then plant mature plants, trees already
> >capable of producing fruit and shade. etc.
> >And this is all done in one day while you sit inside your house with your hand
> >over your eyes, waiting for the big surprise at the end of the day.
> >Do you think the new "I are a gardener" maintains the garden his/her self, or
> >has Jerry Baker come in monthly to pour stale beer over everything?
> >tom kan pa
nimrod
it was time to change the sheets.
Nimrod
ZDBop
>LOVED that "Tool-Man" Tim Taylor was always battling Villa on ego stuff,
>loved that tremendously, (also made me think that Villa really is an ego
>maniac) madgardener
Made me think Vila didn't get the joke.
Bill Morgan
<A7E5C0D5B994B8FB.29967535...@lp.airnews.net>,
ani...@ticnet.com0 wrote:
> >Bill
>
> Who's the Whow?
I knew I could make someone ask that question, but I didn't know who...
In reality, it is a simple Typo.
I come by that naturally, I have type O blood.
And before anyone asks, I am positive.
Bill Morgan
<mad...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> so, Bill.....in regards to Sci Fi on Tv, how does you feel about the
> series, Farscape on the Sci Fi network?
I haven't seen it, as I don't get the SciFi network. Heck, the local
service started to carry Comedy Central (as part of a semi-basic package
and not extra) just in time for MST3K to jump ship to SciFi. Now SciFi
could be part of a package, but I'd need to upgrade my VCR or rent the
danged box to get it...
Bill Morgan
<44C4D843E1D8AA09.EB1AFF85...@lp.airnews.net>,
ani...@ticnet.com0 wrote:
> YOU LISTEN TO STERN?
I've caught the act once or twice. I didn't hear the B-5 quote from him,
but read it somewhere else.
busybee
Bill Morgan wrote in message ...
>In article
><A7E5C0D5B994B8FB.29967535...@lp.airnews.net>,
>ani...@ticnet.com0 wrote:
>
>> >Bill
>>
>> Who's the Whow?
>
>I knew I could make someone ask that question, but I didn't know who...
>
>In reality, it is a simple Typo.
>
>I come by that naturally, I have type O blood.
>
>And before anyone asks, I am positive.
>
grdngal
Mickey W wrote:
> I agree Joyce that his methods and what he does is good common sense
> when it comes to beds, trees, etc.....but it's the same thing week
> after week. We have learned a lot from watching what he does, but me
> think he nneds to deversify a bit!!! And I think he gets royalties on
> Aztec grass.
>
And Little John azaleas.... and East Palaka holly (whatever the heck that is)....and
African iris......and yellow lanata.....what a limited plant palatte! Doesn't
*anything* else grow well in north FL? Boring!!! If you've seen one of his shows,
you've seen them all.
Pam - gardengal
CGoodson
I am in total agreement! He's stuck in a hellish rut... We have tons of
things that can be integrated into plantings. Instead, you see tons of
Photinia, Ligustrum, Pittosporum, etc.... He definitely needs to go visit
some nurseries and get some new combinations to put in his repertoire!
-Chuck
grdngal wrote in message <37C6B1B4...@aa.net>...
Victoria
On Thu, 26 Aug 1999 23:38:05 -0400, "Gandy Dancer" <Tran...@rr.com> wrote:
>Susie has immaculate boobs? How on earth did you know THAT, Victoria?!
>
>Gandy
>If there's something to misconstrue, he'll find it
>
>Victoria wrote in message
><288C821745058F50.79C6A3AB...@lp.airnews.net>...
Victoria
which you are responding. It would make it more easy to discern what or to whom
you are responding.
Victoria
On 27 Aug 1999 04:16:08 GMT, pook...@aol.com (Pooky999) wrote:
>Isn't she an ex wife of the late Sonny Bono?? Thought she looked familiar.
Gandy Dancer
is a family-oriented group, best not go there...suffice it to say, one COULD
interpret that to mean that a certain member of this group, who's name
begins with V, enjoys certain OTHER group activities... (:o))
Gandy
Shocked at what he's learning about the mating habits of gardeners
Victoria wrote in message
<2D9DC3C883D44B7C.2EEDA94B...@lp.airnews.net>...
>Oh thank goodness. One less place I will run into you!
>
>Victoria
>
>
>On Fri, 27 Aug 1999 03:18:13 -0400, "Gandy Dancer" <Tran...@rr.com> wrote:
>
>>Nah...not into that group stuff. Always had trouble concentrating on more
>>than one thing at a time...
>>
>>Gandy
>>Trying to figure out what activity the outer 2 sixes and nines are engaged
>>in.
>>
>>Bill Morgan wrote in message ...
>>>Well, let's not have you trying to get into 666999 on the newsgroup,
Gandy.
>><snip>
>>
>
Angela Fitzpatrick
Ang
>
> OH THEM! The Furniture Guys. I LOVE THEM! That would be Joe Larario and Ed
> Feldman. I think they were/are hysterically funny. They have email addresses
> too:
>
> furn...@aol.com
> furng...@aol.com
>
> V
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Gandy Dancer
Gandy
Adding to the chaos for V's benefit
Pooky999 wrote in message <19990827001608...@ng-fl1.aol.com>...
Pooky999
Pooky999
>which you are responding.
Hey!! Like this??!! Learn something new everyday!! Thanks : )
Catefjones
finishes! What happened to them?
Bill Morgan
<0805735072177EEE.AC98EF25...@lp.airnews.net>,
ani...@ticnet.com8 wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Aug 1999 06:58:19 -0400, wtmo...@pilot.msu.edu (Bill Morgan)
wrote:
>
> >
> >I knew I could make someone ask that question, but I didn't know who...
> >
> >In reality, it is a simple Typo.
> >
> >I come by that naturally, I have type O blood.
> >
> >And before anyone asks, I am positive.
> Which is why I asked it! Don't think you are so smart mista! :)
>
> I know a tiepo when I see one.
Ah, but Victoria, if I can't join in making a little fun of myself, what
good is it to even be on the group?
Bill Morgan
<gandy...@transcon.rr.com> wrote:
> Susie has immaculate boobs? How on earth did you know THAT, Victoria?!
>
> Gandy
> If there's something to misconstrue, he'll find it
>
> Victoria wrote in message
> <288C821745058F50.79C6A3AB...@lp.airnews.net>...
> >I don't know. I was too busy staring at her big boobs popping out from
> behind the straps on her overalls, which are immaculate.
Gandy:
You did find something to misconstue, so you must be happy...
No, the overalls are immaculate. Shameless behavior for a gardener.
The least she could do is get some mud on them.
On the *overalls*, Gandy...
Victoria
Victoria
Victoria
Or go to The Learning Channel website and search around. I think they are still
on.
V
Susan Wehe
susan
Susan Wehe
Haven't you ever been bemused by a show that's soooo stupid that you
can't use the channel changer? Personally, I think most garden shows do
try to be informative, educational, inspiring and occasionally funny,
the problem is that most of the general public can't tell which ones are
meant to be and which ones aren't.
I totally agree with Tom (as most of us do) about his analysis of both
shows and I also support his right to say whatever he wants about them.
susan
> >Watched GARDENING BY THE YARD last night on HGTV.
> >What a stupid show! Does this Bob Villa wannabe think he's funny,
> informative,
> >or both? Well, I got a bulletin for him.
> >Immediately following, SURPRISE GARDEN.
> >What the hell is this show supposed to show other than if you have an
> endless
> >supply of money, you can hire the population of Rhode Island to clean up
> and
> >prepare your filthy "garden" area, and then plant mature plants, trees
> already
> >capable of producing fruit and shade. etc.
>
> Snip.
>
> Ah,,,,Tom. Because you didn't like it does not make it stupid. MOST
> television is merely chewing gum for the eyeballs. MOST television is not
> meant to be useful, informative, educational, inspiring or even funny, It's
> merely a device to deliver an audience to an advertiser. Don't like it ?
> Don't watch it !
>
> Regards, Bmc.
Susan Wehe
susan
Pooky999 wrote:
>
> I swear.. it is!
Roots
>
> Hi,
>
> I hate SURPRISE GARDENER too, what a poor show. (Snip)
Oh man. Do I agree. The first time I saw it they did a garden in the
southern US (Arizona?). They did a garden in full sun and planted a bed
of...are you ready?.... Primulas. They didn't specify what they were
but I recognized them. They were obviously more concerned with colour
for the camera than something that would actually survive where they put
it.
I also can't stand Paul James, who spends more time doing the "Big dumb
guy" comic routine than dispensing advice. Leave the yuck yucks to Tim
Allen, Paul.
The biggest problem with these shows seems to be all the phoney patter
in between segments. It is so obviously scripted and the hosts are such
bad actors.
We have an excellent regional show here in the East called "The Maritime
Gardener" that is simple, straightforward and deals 100% with
gardening.
Regional shows also deal with plants that will actually grow in your
garden. Anybody else have a favorite regional gardening show?
Roots
ZDBop wrote:
>
> >I would move to a colder climate or to trade my deep rich clay soil
> >that has few to no rocks for any other :)
> No rocks??? That sucks. I thought gardeners were the inheritors of Calvinism.
>
> Wayne--tongue firmly planted in cheek
No rocks??? I just spent the afternoon digging a 3 x 2 ft flagstone out
of my new flowerbed. It has a much bigger brother down there that I
gave up on. I thought gardening would be so much easier here than in
Manitoba. WRONG!! Just different problems...or should I say
challenges? ;-)
Roots Zone 4
Fredericton, New Brunswick
Gandy Dancer
could get resurrected with a gardening twist...Martha and Susie (with them
immaculate boobs) going at it in the zinnia bed after a hard rain...
Gandy
Working up a proposal to HGTV as soon as he gets done here
Bill Morgan wrote in message ...
<snip>
>No, the overalls are immaculate. Shameless behavior for a gardener.
>The least she could do is get some mud on them.
>On the *overalls*, Gandy...
<snip>
>
>Regards,
>Bill
Dennis Kramb
> Watched GARDENING BY THE YARD last night on HGTV.
> What a stupid show! Does this Bob Villa wannabe think he's funny, informative,
> or both? Well, I got a bulletin for him.
> Immediately following, SURPRISE GARDEN.
> What the hell is this show supposed to show other than if you have an endless
Ha ha ha ha ha! I agree totally! But I just don't watch the stuff. A local PBS
station carries a new? program called "Perennial Gardener" with some nice woman
from Iowa named something Strohbean or something like that. I've caught a couple
episodes and REALLY like it.
I also like "Grow It!" and can often be heard whistling the theme song while I'm
out pottering around in my garden.
--
Dennis Kramb (Cincinnati, Ohio, USA, USDA Zone 6)
Irises & Wildflowers URL: http://www.badbear.com/dkramb/home.html
Remove the “no-damn-spam” to reply via email.
Jutta Haas
but only for Canadian viewers, The Canadian Gardener with David Tarrant.
The absolute worst, imho, is "Surprise Gardener" with Susie Cuelho as
host. I have not learned one tiny little thing. The scenarios they
present look like artificial setups. Can't believe anyone would let
their yard or garden go to such mayhem as when they first start out in
the shows. Any opinions?
Denisen...@webtv.net
show listings in the TV Guide sounded so good...when we finally got HGTV
this past January, it wasn't as good as I had hoped. I started watching
most of the shows, then quickly eliminated the ones I thought were
pretty lame and now I am down to just a couple of shows and parts of
shows. "Garden Architecture" is a perfect example...I always enjoy the
first host. He visits some wonderful gardens and I like his interviews.
I cannot stand the second guy-what a snot- and his design ideas are
mostly horrible (in my humble opinion) And the woman host has the most
tacky ideas for projects! I haven't seen one I would even consider
putting in my gardens! So, I just watch the first segment of that show.
I like "Grow It" . I have learned some useful stuff and I would not mind
having that host as a neighbor. The best shows are the specials that
take you to visit gardens all over the world. My son actually visited
the Imperial Gardens in China. I got the tour on HGTV. I also liked
seeing coverage of the Chelsea Garden Show and other gardening
competitions. Tours of old estates are always of interest to me. My
FAVORITE show on HGTV... "The Company of Animals" ! Always a beautifully
produced show.
Denise
Visit my home page for photos of my family, pets, gardens & way cool
car!
http://web1.in4web.com/mtcdrc
TOM KAN PA
>From: Denisen...@webtv.net
>I begged my cable provider for almost two years to add HGTV because the
>show listings in the TV Guide sounded so good...when we finally got HGTV
>this past January, it wasn't as good as I had >hoped.
Then there are the shows where they take a perfectly comfortable room and
destroy it in the name of "decorating!"
tom kan pa
Aileen Power
I also enjoy David Tarrant's show and have learned a
lot from it. The snippets from gardeners in other parts
of Canada are great. If you miss an episode people can
read all about it on the show's web site. I enjoy Ken
Beattie's call in show on WTN.
Aileen Power
Ontario, Canada