Your best and worst rose?
elfa
Anyone care to post their single BEST performing (not favorite) rose. The one
that consistantly produces blossoms with the least amount of hassle. The one
that you would recommend in good conscience to a first timer who didn't care
about color but just wanted a steady performer without having to 'baby' it.
Mine is Brandy...rock solid since last summer when I planted it. No fungus or
insects problems. Consistantly produces blooms.
How about the one rose you have that makes you want to get your money back. The
embarassment to your rose garden.
Mine is Sterling Silver. Wouldn't recommend it to my worst enemy. Gets the
same treatment as all the rest and has yet to produce any blooms this summer.
It just sits there like a bump on a log. I wish I could get back the $20 it
cost.
thanks
elfa
zone 9
Mark. Gooley
"elfa" <elfa_...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> This has probably been asked before but I haven't seen it.
>
> Anyone care to post their single BEST performing (not favorite)
> rose. The one that consistantly produces blossoms with the least
> amount of hassle. The one that you would recommend in good
> conscience to a first timer who didn't care about color but just
> wanted a steady performer without having to 'baby' it.
Here in zone 8b I'd have to say "Old Blush." Bulletproof for me. I
also have an Austin shrub, "Mary Rose," that is attacked by black
spot, nibbled by grasshoppers and mad deer, and sometimes neglected,
yet it keeps blooming and re-growing and blooming again. And so far
some recently-acquired Bourbon roses have been thriving on neglect.
Worst? I can't say. Too many have died, and not always under
circumstances under which I can pin down the cause. Deer attacks,
lubber-grasshopper attacks, black spot after a week of constant rain
and constantly-wet leaves. One Chrysler Imperial struggled for
months before giving in; another is doing pretty well. Mind you, I
plant (or have in pots) mostly OGRs and Austins, with very few
modern hybrid teas -- and some modern roses have stunned me with
their toughness under adversity, such as "St. Patrick."
Definitely "Old Blush" for this climate. Stubborn bastard, bless it.
Mark.
goo...@gator.net
DScott
Peace running a real good third.
Worst: Almost everything else I have is a thrip & blackspot magnet, along
with some signs of botrytis. I'm ready to plant some good old Ballerina and
Mutabilis in their places when cooler weather rolls around.
--
Dianne in Austin
Zone 8, Central Texas
elfa
From what I've read, St Patrick is one of the more hearty roses. It's on my
list of roses to get.
elfa
>
>
Rosa Rosam
Baby Faurax
Worst : Gertrude Jekkyl / Dresden Doll / Tequila Sunrise are on the goners
list.
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Kirra
withstand anything. Not to mention great colour yellow, outstanding
fragrance and beautiful form. I like the look of the bud and partly open
flower of Freisa better than the (IMHO) artifical look some of the
exhibition HTs seem to have.
2nd Best: Climbing iceberg for flower power, reasonable disease resistance,
light/sweet fragrance and just looking cheery all the time
Worst: Hard but I have to say Eric the Red for his black spot problems. I
still think it is my fault because I don't spray him enough (a couple of
times a season but by then he is already defoliated). I keep him around
because he has great medium red, fragrant, little cupped flowers that last
for 2 weeks when he decides to flower. He is in a pot and I enjoy the
flowers when they are there.
Kirra
Brisbane, Australia
zone 10
Chu Mai Fat
"Kirra" <kirr...@hot.mail.com> wrote in message
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> Worst: Hard but I have to say Eric the Red for his black spot problems.
A rose? I thought "Eric the Red" was a Norse of a different colour.
Regards
Chu
Theo Asir
This constantly changes but right
now we are going through a serious
drought phase. Driest July on record
w/ about 1/16th inch of rain so far.
Best performing roses right now.
- Prairie Princess absolute heat tolerant bloom machine.
- Felicia Get more perfumed in hot sun.
- Tamora 3' bloom machine. Heat tolerant.
Worst
- Compte de chambord spiney mass of canes not a bloom in sight.
- George vancouver wilting wilting wilting despite all the watering.
- Ambridge rose Only rose w/ blackspot in this dry spell!
--
Theo in Zone 5
Kansas City
"elfa" <elfa_...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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Linda
and no major problems
Worst: City of Carlsbad--IF it would bloom, it is really pretty, JFK-mites,
leggy,just not a pretty bloom
--
Linda S. in So. California
**Anxiously awaiting the birth of identical TWIN granddaughers in Aug.
elfa
>
>Best: Marina (FL), this Dream rose, Yellow, and Tropicana--Always blooming
>and no major problems
I have Tropicana too....since last summer. Consistant performer.
elfa
Mark. Gooley
"Rosa Rosam" <w...@rosarosam.com> wrote in message:
> Worst : Gertrude Jekkyl / Dresden Doll / Tequila Sunrise are on the goners
> list.
Interesting. I bought my Mom a Gertrude Jekyll about a decade ago
and for the first few years it was rudely healthy and bloomed heavily.
Eventually she killed it by transplanting it. That was zone 5a, in
Illinois.
Other people have made similar claims of GJ being bulletproof.
I wonder how it would do here in 8b in Florida. I'll try for an own-root.
Mark.
goo...@gator.net
Theo Asir
> their toughness under adversity, such as "St. Patrick."
>
> Definitely "Old Blush" for this climate. Stubborn bastard, bless it.
I can say that St Patrick survives
my Zone 5 winters with substantial
damage yet completely recovers every year.
Love this rose.
Shiva
>This has probably been asked before but I haven't seen it.
No matter, it is a classic!
Circumstances: Zone 7, NC, we are still drowing under record rainfall,
and the gardens here have not been effectively sprayed with fungicide
or insecticide since May 10. (In other words, sprayed once since then
and it rained right after and washed it off.)
Best rose: Don Juan, hands down. Never has missed a beat, covered with
blooms, has bs and insect damage but makes new leaves and bloom so
fast it hardly matters. In a sub-category, of the baby grafteds, Royal
Amethyst has outdone itself. Whereas most of these have just died, it
has thrived and stays in bloom.
Worst rose: Damn, there are so many, it is hard to choose! Granada is
worst at defoliating, (the two ownroots that did not get voled) but
Full Sail must be the all-around suckiest rose in my garden. Good
times or bad, it does not bloom except in early spring and fall. It
does produce little brown horrible balling thrip-eaten things every
now and then, though.
Theo Asir
> Best: Fresia (Sunsprite) for flower power, disease resistance and able to
> withstand anything. Not to mention great colour yellow, outstanding
Ah! yes the bullet proof rose.
I finally found a rose to go with its
garish yellow. Granada!
I have them growing together and
its matches nicely with rosemary rose
on the side.
Theo
saki
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> This has probably been asked before but I haven't seen it.
>
> Anyone care to post their single BEST performing (not favorite) rose.
> The one that consistantly produces blossoms with the least amount of
> hassle. The one that you would recommend in good conscience to a
> first timer who didn't care about color but just wanted a steady
> performer without having to 'baby' it.
Well, if the first-timer is willing to put up with a small shrub that
sports a single rose, I'd say Papa Hemeray, a China from Ashdown, looks
something like Marjorie Fair, red to crimson with a white eye. This has
been in constant bloom for me since February. My location BTW is Southern
California, USDA 10.
Runner-up would be International Herald Tribune, almost as floriferous with
a color more akin to red-violet. Neither rose has the classic HT form,
however, nor fragrance, but they'd be beautiful in a border. Another option
is Gruss an Aachen, an older (1909) floribunda, delicate shell-pink, OGR-
style fragrance and form on a petite bush.
> How about the one rose you have that makes you want to get your money
> back. The embarassment to your rose garden.
Haven't encountered one in this category yet, thankfully!
----
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Larry Blanchard
> Anyone care to post their single BEST performing (not favorite) rose. The one
> that consistantly produces blossoms with the least amount of hassle.
>
> embarassment to your rose garden.
>
Hansa. Second best an Austin, The Yeoman.
Worst is another Austin, The Prince.
--
Where ARE those Iraqi WMDs?
Unique Too
>Anyone care to post their single BEST performing (not favorite) rose. The
>one
>that consistantly produces blossoms with the least amount of hassle. The one
>that you would recommend in good conscience to a first timer who didn't care
>about color but just wanted a steady performer without having to 'baby' it.
>
Usually the question is; "What is your favorite rose?" You've worded this
differently and I had to think about it first. I believe Belinda's Dream is
the rose I would suggest to a newcomer and it fits the part of "consistantly
produces blossoms with the least amount of hassle." It's rarely without blooms
and has a great fragrance. The flower shape is similar to an HT so to many
people it fits the description of "a rose." Although not long lasting in a
vase the flowers can be cut and brought inside. It is blackspot resistant and
has a pleasing plant shape. The only negative I can think of is the balling
during your regular summer showers. And not all blooms are affected, only
those at a certain stage during a rainstorm. Overall, it is a great rose for
this area.
>
>How about the one rose you have that makes you want to get your money back.
>The
>embarassment to your rose garden.
This took even longer to answer. I think there is only one answer, but for two
very different reasons for each part of the question.
The simple answer is none.
I don't think I could say I want my money back about any rose I've ever bought.
Sure there are many that have been discarded and a couple that didn't survive.
But from each of them I learned something. From the hybrid teas I discovered
I really don't care the growth of the plants. Nor am I willing to put up with
all the blackspot even when they are regularly sprayed. From the cheap
miniatures I got from the box stored I discovered, minis really don't inspire
me, I much prefer larger plants and flowers. The bareroot Antique '89 that
never came alive, taught me to be very careful of the potting mix I use and to
make certain the drainage in pots is adequate. And on it goes. Really there
aren't any I want my money back.
To answer the second part of the question. There aren't any embarassments in
the garden. Really. There have been many occasions that I couldn't answer
that way, but at the present I can. Space is so limited that the ones I
wouldn't want to share with others are gone. All of them. Finally.
Now if you want a list of the roses that were embarassing, that could get
rather long. Rather quickly I can come up with thise: Moonstone, Dr Huey, Angel
Face, Barbara Worll, and First Edition.
Interesting questions, Elfa. It's good for us to think of our roses in these
terms and be reminded of the good and bad.
Julie
dave weil
<ta...@nospam.sfsarch.com> wrote:
>
>This constantly changes but right
>now we are going through a serious
>drought phase. Driest July on record
>w/ about 1/16th inch of rain so far.
>
>Best performing roses right now.
>- Prairie Princess absolute heat tolerant bloom machine.
>- Felicia Get more perfumed in hot sun.
I sure am glad to see this rose mentioned. Mine has been totally
decimated by the ole Japanese Beetles, but it's coming back now and I
fully expect a great August and September.
A caveat though - here, it gets blackspot at the mere mention of the
word.
>- Tamora 3' bloom machine. Heat tolerant.
>
>Worst
>
>- Compte de chambord spiney mass of canes not a bloom in sight.
>- George vancouver wilting wilting wilting despite all the watering.
>- Ambridge rose Only rose w/ blackspot in this dry spell!
My best? I have to note this caveat - this rose is only 2 months old
(in the ground).
Belami.
Here's a picture:
http://www3.pbase.com/image/19804079
I know that I'm pretty new to this rose thing and all, and that this
might not be the kind of extraordinary performance that some of you
might be used to, but frankly, I haven't had *any* HT that has come
close to thowing the kind of blooms that this one has in its first
season. There are 29 partially opened to fully opened blooms on the
three bushes and another 7 buds yet to open. There are probably 3
blooms that are ready to be trimmed because they are over-the-hill.
That's almost 40 buds and/or blooms on the 3 plants at the same time.
When this thing grows into the 5- 7 ft. bush that I expect that it
will, I think that I'll have hundreds of blooms for my vases...
To give you some perspective, these three plants were bare root plants
sitting in a box on my porch on Memorial Day of this year.
They get full sun all day and they are growing in my amazing native
soil. Still...
Here's what they looked like on 6.02.03:
http://www.pbase.com/image/19804228
My worst performing rose?
This unknown white thing. Boring, boring, boring. If only it were the
Europeana that it was billed to be.
Theo Asir
>
> A caveat though - here, it gets blackspot at the mere mention of the
> word.
Hmm! mine has stayed clean
even as Abe Darby next door has
suffered repeated BS attacks.
Maybe its time to kick up the BS
protection up a notch.
> Belami.
>
> Here's a picture:
>
> http://www3.pbase.com/image/19804079
>
> I know that I'm pretty new to this rose thing and all, and that this
> might not be the kind of extraordinary performance that some of you
> might be used to, but frankly, I haven't had *any* HT that has come
> close to thowing the kind of blooms that this one has in its first
> season. There are 29 partially opened to fully opened blooms on the
> three bushes and another 7 buds yet to open. There are probably 3
> blooms that are ready to be trimmed because they are over-the-hill.
> That's almost 40 buds and/or blooms on the 3 plants at the same time.
It does look amazingly healthy.
Is it naturally resistant to disease
or is much chemical warefare going one?
> When this thing grows into the 5- 7 ft. bush that I expect that it
> will, I think that I'll have hundreds of blooms for my vases...
>
> To give you some perspective, these three plants were bare root plants
> sitting in a box on my porch on Memorial Day of this year.
>
> They get full sun all day and they are growing in my amazing native
> soil. Still...
>
> Here's what they looked like on 6.02.03:
>
> http://www.pbase.com/image/19804228
>
> My worst performing rose?
>
> This unknown white thing. Boring, boring, boring. If only it were the
> Europeana that it was billed to be.
>
> http://www3.pbase.com/image/19804805
Dave that looks amazingly link the rose Fabulous.
It was a seedling of Iceberg that was supposed
to be an improvement. It was nothing
of the kind in my garden and soon found the
garbage pile.
dave weil
<ta...@nospam.sfsarch.com> wrote:
>
>
>>
>> A caveat though - here, it gets blackspot at the mere mention of the
>> word.
>
>Hmm! mine has stayed clean
>even as Abe Darby next door has
>suffered repeated BS attacks.
>
>Maybe its time to kick up the BS
>protection up a notch.
>
>> Belami.
>>
>> Here's a picture:
>>
>> http://www3.pbase.com/image/19804079
>>
>> I know that I'm pretty new to this rose thing and all, and that this
>> might not be the kind of extraordinary performance that some of you
>> might be used to, but frankly, I haven't had *any* HT that has come
>> close to thowing the kind of blooms that this one has in its first
>> season. There are 29 partially opened to fully opened blooms on the
>> three bushes and another 7 buds yet to open. There are probably 3
>> blooms that are ready to be trimmed because they are over-the-hill.
>> That's almost 40 buds and/or blooms on the 3 plants at the same time.
>
>It does look amazingly healthy.
>Is it naturally resistant to disease
>or is much chemical warefare going one?
So far, there has been absolutely *no* spraying of any kind. But it's
a young thing. I don't think that the nasty bacteria and fungi have
realized that I have a new rose bed. Of course, this bed is pretty far
from any other plants...
I'm just amazed how well these plants have done. I hope that they
continue to do that well...
>> When this thing grows into the 5- 7 ft. bush that I expect that it
>> will, I think that I'll have hundreds of blooms for my vases...
>>
>> To give you some perspective, these three plants were bare root plants
>> sitting in a box on my porch on Memorial Day of this year.
>>
>> They get full sun all day and they are growing in my amazing native
>> soil. Still...
>>
>> Here's what they looked like on 6.02.03:
>>
>> http://www.pbase.com/image/19804228
>>
>> My worst performing rose?
>>
>> This unknown white thing. Boring, boring, boring. If only it were the
>> Europeana that it was billed to be.
>>
>> http://www3.pbase.com/image/19804805
>
>Dave that looks amazingly link the rose Fabulous.
>It was a seedling of Iceberg that was supposed
>to be an improvement. It was nothing
>of the kind in my garden and soon found the
>garbage pile.
Hmmm, I'll have to look that up...
Well, I've looked that up and it could very well be that rose.
What a dog! Maybe it will get better next year though. I'll transplant
this sucker to a better, more "full sun" location later this fall and
see it does. After all, I don't have any white roses. And i paid $3.99
for it at Krogers!
Shiva
wrote:
>
>My best? I have to note this caveat - this rose is only 2 months old
>(in the ground).
>
>Belami.
You are not the first I've heard rave about this newcomer.
>
>Here's a picture:
>
>http://www3.pbase.com/image/19804079
Hmmm. I thought Belami was a blend. Yours sure looks p-p-p-PINK! Also,
I have an aversion to quilled petals. Strange, I know. But I just
don't like the look.
>
>I know that I'm pretty new to this rose thing and all, and that this
>might not be the kind of extraordinary performance that some of you
>might be used to, but frankly, I haven't had *any* HT that has come
>close to thowing the kind of blooms that this one has in its first
>season. There are 29 partially opened to fully opened blooms on the
>three bushes and another 7 buds yet to open.
I would call that truly amazing. None of my bare root hts has
performed that well the first year.
P.S. Get another Europeana! I am getting several. Great rose, a fav of
the voles. I'm like Charlie Brown always falling for that football
Lucy holds for him. But for Europeana, it's worth it.
dave weil
>On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 16:04:08 -0500, dave weil <dw...@comcast.net>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>My best? I have to note this caveat - this rose is only 2 months old
>>(in the ground).
>>
>>Belami.
>
>You are not the first I've heard rave about this newcomer.
>>
>>Here's a picture:
>>
>>http://www3.pbase.com/image/19804079
>
>Hmmm. I thought Belami was a blend. Yours sure looks p-p-p-PINK! Also,
>I have an aversion to quilled petals. Strange, I know. But I just
>don't like the look.
Ohhh, this isn't a Shiva rose, that's fer sure. It's p-p-p--PINK.
Sure, it fades to a creamy whitish-pink and all that. But it's PINK.
Not salmon, not yellow-centered, not orange-tinted. PINK. It's as pink
as pink can be. It's Pinky and the Brain. It's Pink, the singer. It's
pinker than pink.
>>I know that I'm pretty new to this rose thing and all, and that this
>>might not be the kind of extraordinary performance that some of you
>>might be used to, but frankly, I haven't had *any* HT that has come
>>close to thowing the kind of blooms that this one has in its first
>>season. There are 29 partially opened to fully opened blooms on the
>>three bushes and another 7 buds yet to open.
>
>I would call that truly amazing. None of my bare root hts has
>performed that well the first year.
I've been pretty astounded. My other Belami didn't do that well, but
it wasn't in full sun all day. It was sandwiched between a rapidly
growing Felicia and my house. That one is doing pretty well now that
I've transplanted it next to my side porch. It's still a little leggy,
but it's thrown some really nice blooms this year...
Amazingly, as I write this, three more blooms have gone
"over-the-hill" since i wrote my earlier post early this afternoon.
However, this shouldn't be interpreted as not long-lived. The
fully-opened blooms have been around about a week...
>P.S. Get another Europeana! I am getting several. Great rose, a fav of
>the voles. I'm like Charlie Brown always falling for that football
>Lucy holds for him. But for Europeana, it's worth it.
I'm sure I will. I just won't get it as one of those plastic-wrapped
$3.00 semi-bare-rooted, moss packed supermarket delights with a fuzzy
pic of the bloom on the wrapper.
...don't say it...why did I get them in the first place? Impulse buy,
babee!
Cass
<elfa_...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> This has probably been asked before but I haven't seen it.
>
> Anyone care to post their single BEST performing (not favorite) rose. The one
> that consistantly produces blossoms with the least amount of hassle. The one
> that you would recommend in good conscience to a first timer who didn't care
> about color but just wanted a steady performer without having to 'baby' it.
Lavender Dream
> How about the one rose you have that makes you want to get your money back.
> The embarassment to your rose garden.
Only one? Well the other lousy ones have at least produced *one* bloom
worth looking at this year, so the biggest loser has to be Clotilde
Soupert.
Rosa Rosam
could be me, the place (zone 10), on what it's grafted etc..
So maybe I'll train again one day.
maybe, hey.
Jocelen
www.rosarosam.com
"Mark. Gooley" <goo...@gator.net> wrote in message
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Unique Too
>> How about the one rose you have that makes you want to get your money back.
>
>> The embarassment to your rose garden.
>
>Only one? Well the other lousy ones have at least produced *one* bloom
>worth looking at this year, so the biggest loser has to be Clotilde
>Soupert.
Funny how different roses perform in different locations. Clotilde is one of
my best roses. I like most everything about this rose. It doesn't even
blackspot. The only negative is it must be deadheaded because the faded
blooms look awful. Another negative that can be a positive, it's small. I
like that I can tuck it in a small space, but wish the blooms were easier to
see and smell. I've always heard it will ball in wet weather, but that hasn't
been much of a problem with mine and it's not due to lack of rain.
Cass
> Cass <cass666...@attbi.com> writes:
>
> >> How about the one rose you have that makes you want to get your money back.
> >
> >> The embarassment to your rose garden.
> >
> >Only one? ... Clotilde Soupert.
>
> Funny how different roses perform in different locations. Clotilde is one of
> my best roses. I like most everything about this rose. It doesn't even
> blackspot. The only negative is it must be deadheaded because the faded
> blooms look awful. Another negative that can be a positive, it's small. I
> like that I can tuck it in a small space, but wish the blooms were easier to
> see and smell. I've always heard it will ball in wet weather, but that hasn't
> been much of a problem with mine and it's not due to lack of rain.
Don't get me wrong. I love Clotilde, but Clotilde doesn't love me. I
think I got two blooms this year. I'm going to pot her up and move her
to a good home in the country, away from coast.
I bet you can grow Mme. Driout too? She ties Clotilde with one bloom
this year. Magenta makes it a trio of losers.
Shiva
wrote:
>On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 22:40:20 GMT, hyp...@cotse.net (Shiva) wrote:
>
>Ohhh, this isn't a Shiva rose, that's fer sure. It's p-p-p--PINK.
>Sure, it fades to a creamy whitish-pink and all that. But it's PINK.
>Not salmon, not yellow-centered, not orange-tinted. PINK. It's as pink
>as pink can be. It's Pinky and the Brain. It's Pink, the singer. It's
>pinker than pink.
Oooo *flinching* Thanks.
>
>>
>I've been pretty astounded. My other Belami didn't do that well, but
>it wasn't in full sun all day.
Man, with all the problems roses can have under the best
circumstances, I cannot imagine starting them out without full sun. If
I couldn't cut trees or something to create more sunlight, I would
just have to grow something else.
>It was sandwiched between a rapidly
>growing Felicia and my house.
You didn't know how big Felicia was going to get, did you?
>
>>P.S. Get another Europeana! I am getting several. Great rose, a fav of
>>the voles. I'm like Charlie Brown always falling for that football
>>Lucy holds for him. But for Europeana, it's worth it.
>
>I'm sure I will. I just won't get it as one of those plastic-wrapped
>$3.00 semi-bare-rooted, moss packed supermarket delights with a fuzzy
>pic of the bloom on the wrapper.
My first Europeana was the best, a bare root from Edmunds. Lots of
vigor, only problem was mildew in the fall. IF you don't protect it
with fungicide. For 2004 I am ordering all potted ownroots and
reserving some funds for potted grafted roses. No more bare roots,
they are too much trouble for when it turns out so many die, as they
did this year.
>
>...don't say it...why did I get them in the first place? Impulse buy,
>babee!
Hey, I do it all the time. The two Circus I got at one of the 'Marts
are still in pots, but going big guns! I think cheapie roses are fine
as long as they are potted and BLOOMING!
dave weil
>On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 18:02:34 -0500, dave weil <dw...@comcast.net>
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 22:40:20 GMT, hyp...@cotse.net (Shiva) wrote:
>
>
>>
>>Ohhh, this isn't a Shiva rose, that's fer sure. It's p-p-p--PINK.
>>Sure, it fades to a creamy whitish-pink and all that. But it's PINK.
>>Not salmon, not yellow-centered, not orange-tinted. PINK. It's as pink
>>as pink can be. It's Pinky and the Brain. It's Pink, the singer. It's
>>pinker than pink.
>
>Oooo *flinching* Thanks.
Didn't mean to hurt you <g>
>>I've been pretty astounded. My other Belami didn't do that well, but
>>it wasn't in full sun all day.
>
>Man, with all the problems roses can have under the best
>circumstances, I cannot imagine starting them out without full sun. If
>I couldn't cut trees or something to create more sunlight, I would
>just have to grow something else.
I would have had to move my house <g>.
It got full sun until about 1 pm. The Felicia gets full sun for an
extra 1/2 hr or two due to its size.
>>It was sandwiched between a rapidly
>>growing Felicia and my house.
>
>
>You didn't know how big Felicia was going to get, did you?
I really didn't have an idea of the shape. All I know is that they are
both listed at about 6 feet, but, at the time that I bought them (as I
was just getting into roses), I didn't realize that a 6 foot HT is
different than a bushy 6 foot arching antique rose.
If I had known, I would have put the Belami in front of the Felicia,
but this still wouldn't have been great because it turns out that the
Felicia is about the perfect size for that little plot of ground and
there isn't a lot of room for much else (my Joseph's Coat is getting
moved this fall, because it's now under a canopy of a rapidly growing
tree that adjoins this bed). The Grootendorst doesn't matter very
much, because it was always intended to simply be a backdrop and BOY
is it ugly.
The moved Belami is growing pretty nicely by the porch now, although
it's a little crowded by the zinnias that popped up from previous
plantings.
>>>P.S. Get another Europeana! I am getting several. Great rose, a fav of
>>>the voles. I'm like Charlie Brown always falling for that football
>>>Lucy holds for him. But for Europeana, it's worth it.
>>
>>I'm sure I will. I just won't get it as one of those plastic-wrapped
>>$3.00 semi-bare-rooted, moss packed supermarket delights with a fuzzy
>>pic of the bloom on the wrapper.
>
>My first Europeana was the best, a bare root from Edmunds. Lots of
>vigor, only problem was mildew in the fall. IF you don't protect it
>with fungicide. For 2004 I am ordering all potted ownroots and
>reserving some funds for potted grafted roses. No more bare roots,
>they are too much trouble for when it turns out so many die, as they
>did this year.
My original came from Edmunds as well, but it had the bad luck of
gettng crown gall. Boy, was it pretty for the year that I had it
though.
>>...don't say it...why did I get them in the first place? Impulse buy,
>>babee!
>
>Hey, I do it all the time. The two Circus I got at one of the 'Marts
>are still in pots, but going big guns! I think cheapie roses are fine
>as long as they are potted and BLOOMING!
Yeah, pics from this particular company don't look anything like the
blooms! <guffaw!> So far, of the three plants that I have bought this
way, I'm 0 for 3. And two of them are pretty wimpy looking plants
(from a bloom standpoint).
JimS.
"Shiva" <hyp...@cotse.net> wrote in message
news:c48e891839d53690...@free.teranews.com...
> On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 18:02:34 -0500, dave weil <dw...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
> >I'm sure I will. I just won't get it as one of those plastic-wrapped
> >$3.00 semi-bare-rooted, moss packed supermarket delights with a fuzzy
> > pic of the bloom on the wrapper.
>
> >babee!
>
> Hey, I do it all the time. The two Circus I got at one of the 'Marts
> are still in pots, but going big guns! I think cheapie roses are fine
> as long as they are potted and BLOOMING!
The best thing about cheapie bagged roses--- if they piss you off (by not
growing, by spotting, by whatever...) it's that much easier to 86 'em to
make room for something else! Believe me, I'll be doing some of that next
year. When space gets tough....the junk gets going! Mine will all get
their lecture in late winter next year. The ones that don't shape
up...well, you know.....
JimS.
Seattle
Unique Too
>Don't get me wrong. I love Clotilde, but Clotilde doesn't love me. I
>think I got two blooms this year. I'm going to pot her up and move her
>to a good home in the country, away from coast.
>
>I bet you can grow Mme. Driout too? She ties Clotilde with one bloom
>this year. Magenta makes it a trio of losers.
I haven't tried either one of these, but I'm looking them up today. :) I
almost fell for your Lavender Dream suggestion, read all about it, found a
supplier, everything. Then decided if Clotilde is awful for you and so good
for me, it might not be such a good idea. But who knows maybe you did your job
well anyway with Mme. Driout and Magenta, I'm off to see about these......
Cass
<uniq...@aol.com> wrote:
> Cass <cass666...@attbi.com> writes:
>
> >Don't get me wrong. I love Clotilde, but Clotilde doesn't love me. I
> >think I got two blooms this year. I'm going to pot her up and move her
> >to a good home in the country, away from coast.
> >
> >I bet you can grow Mme. Driout too? She ties Clotilde with one bloom
> >this year. Magenta makes it a trio of losers.
>
> I haven't tried either one of these, but I'm looking them up today. :) I
> almost fell for your Lavender Dream suggestion, read all about it, found a
> supplier, everything. Then decided if Clotilde is awful for you and so good
> for me, it might not be such a good idea.
I don't know how Lavender Dream handles heat. It would be a shame if
it fades or crisps or something.
saki
news:010820031259440120%cass666...@attbi.com:
> In article <20030801150140...@mb-m12.aol.com>, Unique Too
> <uniq...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> I almost fell for your Lavender Dream suggestion, read all about
>> it, found a supplier, everything....
>
> I don't know how Lavender Dream handles heat. It would be a shame if
> it fades or crisps or something.
Could I ask who the supplier is, and whether they're willing to ship now?
Helpmefind lists various suppliers but I've had no luck finding anyone who
actually has it in stock.
----
sa...@ucla.edu
Jane Lumley
Gertrude Jekyll and (easiest of all) Natalie Nypels.
My worst this year is perhaps Desprez des fleurs jaunes, but it's not
altogether her fault - she's been mucked about by our horrible
neighbours and then attacked by caterpillars.
--
Jane Lumley
Cass
That's the rub. Unfortunately, it is a patent rose and the patent is
held by J & P. I don't know if they've ever released the rose. It is
available through Canadian suppliers. Their sites says they won't ship
to the US, but it happens. You can't keep a good rose secret. Imagine
if Outta the Blue came from Europe. That thing would be over here in a
heartbeat.
My plant was sold to me misidentified. It took a couple of years to
nail down what it really was. The patent will expire in a few more
years...until then, the only hope is to bomb J & P with emails to get
them to release the rose OR or hope for a supplier that has been
licensed.
It isn't lavender, btw. But it is on the mauve end of pink, certainly
not the bubble gum pink like Bonica.
A few years ago:
http://www.rosefog.us/imagesAtoI/BelindaShrub.jpg
This spring:
http://www.rosefog.us/imagesJtoZ/LavDreamMay03.jpg
A 24" spray on my mature plant:
http://www.rosefog.us/imagesJtoZ/LavDreamSpray.jpg
The foliage, showing how it handles PM:
http://home.earthlink.net/~cbernstein/TempImages/LDFoliage.jpg
Cass
<lum...@purkiss.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> My worst this year is perhaps Desprez des fleurs jaunes, but it's not
> altogether her fault - she's been mucked about by our horrible
> neighbours and then attacked by caterpillars.
Oh, say it ain't so. I'm dying to have Jaune Desprez. I photographed a
rose on a commerical buidling that we think is Jaune Desprez:
http://www.rosefog.us/Resources/TamGlow.html
When I went back to collect cutting this summer, they had cut it down
to 18 inches.
Now I ask you: how can someone cut this down?
http://www.rosefog.us/Resources/WholeTamGlow.jpg
It grows in a 12 inch strip of soil by the gas meter in the tidal flood
zone that is under water at least 10 times a year.
dave weil
wrote:
Wow, now *that's* the sort of rose I've been looking for. I really
want a nice rounded mound of blooms to take up some room in my yard...
Any other suggestions along this line?
Dave
>This has probably been asked before but I haven't seen it.
>
>Anyone care to post their single BEST performing (not favorite) rose. The one
>that consistantly produces blossoms with the least amount of hassle. The one
>that you would recommend in good conscience to a first timer who didn't care
>about color but just wanted a steady performer without having to 'baby' it.
>
>Mine is Brandy...rock solid since last summer when I planted it. No fungus or
>insects problems. Consistantly produces blooms.
>
>How about the one rose you have that makes you want to get your money back. The
>embarassment to your rose garden.
>
>Mine is Sterling Silver. Wouldn't recommend it to my worst enemy. Gets the
>same treatment as all the rest and has yet to produce any blooms this summer.
>It just sits there like a bump on a log. I wish I could get back the $20 it
>cost.
>
>thanks
>
>elfa
>
>zone 9
Am in zone 7B. Worst is 2 JFKs with single canes & single white
roses. Best: For hardiness & blooms are Pristine & McCartney. These
answers should vary from zone to zone.
Piratedave
Anne Lurie
http://www.jhc-consulting.com/phr_info.htm for Peaceful Habitations Rose Gardens in San Antonio, Texas -- BUT according to the website,
"Unfortunately, we recently received notification from the Texas Department of Agriculture that Japanese Beetles have been reported somewhere in the State of Texas. A number of states are not currently infested, or are only partially infested, with Japanese Beetles, and we are not allowed to ship plants to those states until a control program for Japanese Beetles can be established here. Please refer to the following lists of states. If your state is listed, we will not be able to ship plants to you at this time. " List of states follows.
Cass
<dw...@comcast.net> wrote:
Mounds are a function of winter pruning. By the end of the season,
there are always some angular canes sticking out.
The biggest mound of all: Sally Holmes. A little mound: The Fairy
(blooms finish badly on both, tho).
Another mound: Iceberg. http://www.rosefog.us/imagesAtoI/IcebergPot.jpg
How about Brilliant Pink Iceberg if you don't want white? Finishes
better than Iceberg, which is gross when the old blooms stick around.
How about Marjorie Fair
http://www.rosefog.us/imagesJtoZ/MarjorieFairPot.jpg
or Ballerina? Both will arch out and form a little mound. Ballerina is
a little more disease resistant here, and while it fades, it fades to
the clearest white. Like Marjorie Fair, it produces lots and lots of
little round hips. Add Yesterday, which is, I believe, the climbing
form, and you have an entire dynasty of roses derived from Ballerina
that have basically the same growth habit, clean foliage, and lots of
flowers.
Flower Girl is the latest decendant. The blooms are bigger, but the
flowering is constant.
Jane Lumley
<cass666...@attbi.com> writes
>In article <w6ATkNCdO1K$Ew...@purkiss.demon.co.uk>, Jane Lumley
><lum...@purkiss.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>
>> My worst this year is perhaps Desprez des fleurs jaunes, but it's not
>> altogether her fault - she's been mucked about by our horrible
>> neighbours and then attacked by caterpillars.
>
>Oh, say it ain't so. I'm dying to have Jaune Desprez. I photographed a
>rose on a commerical buidling that we think is Jaune Desprez:
>http://www.rosefog.us/Resources/TamGlow.html
Well, as I said, it's not really her fault. She grows on a fence and
the vile neighbours have let vast weeds grow up on their side of it.
Also the caterpillar attack was bad. She also needs a warm spring. she
has flowered - she's not a dead loss - but she hasn't been as
floriferous as last year. Anyway her flowers are so beautiful that even
a few seem worth it.
>
>When I went back to collect cutting this summer, they had cut it down
>to 18 inches.
>
>Now I ask you: how can someone cut this down?
>http://www.rosefog.us/Resources/WholeTamGlow.jpg
>
>It grows in a 12 inch strip of soil by the gas meter in the tidal flood
>zone that is under water at least 10 times a year.
--
Jane Lumley
dave weil
wrote:
>Mounds are a function of winter pruning. By the end of the season,
>there are always some angular canes sticking out.
I didn't mean to say that the mounds would stay mounded all year.
>The biggest mound of all: Sally Holmes. A little mound: The Fairy
>(blooms finish badly on both, tho).
I've got a Fairy climber and I'm happy with it, but the one Fairy that
I've seen in the bush form just looked like a little pink pom pom (and
then, only pink for a couple of times a year). That's not the look I'm
looking for.
Sally Holmes...hmmmm, that's a maybe, although I've seen some photos
that suggest that it can be a little sprawling...
>Another mound: Iceberg. http://www.rosefog.us/imagesAtoI/IcebergPot.jpg
I don't know why I'm so prejudiced against this rose. Maybe because
it's so ubiquitous when it comes to catalogs and availability.
However, I don't ever seem to see them around, so maybe I shouldn't be
thinking that it's so ubiquitous out in the field. Maybe I should
reconsider. I could use some white, that's for sure.
>How about Brilliant Pink Iceberg if you don't want white? Finishes
>better than Iceberg, which is gross when the old blooms stick around.
I might just have a little too much pink right now <chuckle>.
>How about Marjorie Fair
>http://www.rosefog.us/imagesJtoZ/MarjorieFairPot.jpg
>
>or Ballerina?
I just got one of these, but I'm growing it as a short climber on the
back side of the almost dead crabapple tree that I'm growing Don Juan
on (hoping to get an interesting visual contrast). I'm sort of hoping
that it wraps itself around the trunk a bit and fills out about 6 or 7
feet up.
I really like the clusters on that one. It's got a plesant mild smell
as well...
> Both will arch out and form a little mound. Ballerina is
>a little more disease resistant here, and while it fades, it fades to
>the clearest white. Like Marjorie Fair, it produces lots and lots of
>little round hips. Add Yesterday, which is, I believe, the climbing
>form, and you have an entire dynasty of roses derived from Ballerina
>that have basically the same growth habit, clean foliage, and lots of
>flowers.
>
>Flower Girl is the latest decendant. The blooms are bigger, but the
>flowering is constant.
I found this under "Sea Pearl". Looks more like an upright bush in the
photo the find me site.
Thanks for the help.
dave weil
old is it? Is it "trained" around a framework or something?
BTW, my Portland from Glendorra is starting to get really big. It's
suffering from spots (that tree fungus that everyone has talked about
maybe), but the biggest "problem" is the fact that it's getting a
little top-heavy. Since it sits in some pretty windy conditions, it's
definitely been leaning due to likely root rock. I've propped it up on
the leaning side using a little stack ofbricks and I hope that this
will help it stabilize. Before I did this, it was leaning at about 30%
off vertical with the longest cane almost touching the ground. I
started trying using a broomstick, but that just didn't work...
I was told not to prune it the first year, which I didn't. I'm
guessing that I should prune it this fall, right? How far do you think
I should go?
As you can see, it's starting to get a little bit of a "rangey" look.
Earlier, it looked bushier.
Here are the most recent pics of it (the first two are from about 30
minutes ago):
http://www.pbase.com/image/19989586
http://www.pbase.com/image/19989546
This one's from April of this year:
http://www.pbase.com/image/19989612
Right now, it's about 5 1/2 feet tall. The earlier shot from April
shows it about 3 1/2 feet tall. I'd really like to keep that "compact"
upright bush shape and I guess I'll have to do that by prining, right?
Any hints?
Oh yeah, a reminder of the tiny little sprout that it came from, taken
probably around April of last year (and this is after it had doubled
in size <g>):
http://www.pbase.com/image/19989832
saki
news:020820030937447324%cass666...@attbi.com:
> saki <sa...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>> Could I ask who the supplier is, and whether they're willing to ship
>> now? Helpmefind lists various suppliers but I've had no luck finding
>> anyone who actually has it in stock.
>
> That's the rub. Unfortunately, it is a patent rose and the patent is
> held by J & P. I don't know if they've ever released the rose. It is
> available through Canadian suppliers. Their sites says they won't ship
> to the US, but it happens. You can't keep a good rose secret....
Certainly true, and I think that this one fits the bill. I saw it growing
earlier this year at Descanso Gardens. It's quite striking and seems easy
to handle.
> It isn't lavender, btw. But it is on the mauve end of pink, certainly
> not the bubble gum pink like Bonica.
That'll harmonize nicely with my other mauves. As I recall Lavender Dream
also has a very nice light scent, something like mignonettes.
Perhaps I'll have to try some cuttings while waiting for a U.S. distributor
to get sensible.
Many thanks for the info.
----
sa...@ucla.edu
Cass
<dw...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Oh yeah, how about Phyllis Bide? I really like the look of yours. How
> old is it? Is it "trained" around a framework or something?
Yes, it's trained up a 4 x 4 post that has some 2 x 4's that form a
cross-like structure near the top.
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| |
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I don't know if this has the remotest chance of working...
but the 4 x 4 fits through the little square in the middle, as if were
coming straight at you.
You need 10 foot 4 x 4, about 2 1/2 in the ground in Quicrete.
But Phyllis Bide is truly a rambler, and not a mound. It looked like a
huge mound in the early years, but now it is...just huge:
http://home.earthlink.net/~cbernstein/TempImages/Phyllis.jpg
Lots of fun to deadhead. *Now* I know why people grow it as an
espalier. Doh.
> BTW, my Portland from Glendora is starting to get really big. It's
> suffering from spots (that tree fungus that everyone has talked about
> maybe), but the biggest "problem" is the fact that it's getting a
> little top-heavy. Since it sits in some pretty windy conditions, it's
> definitely been leaning due to likely root rock. I've propped it up on
> the leaning side using a little stack ofbricks and I hope that this
> will help it stabilize. Before I did this, it was leaning at about 30%
> off vertical with the longest cane almost touching the ground. I
> started trying using a broomstick, but that just didn't work...
>
> I was told not to prune it the first year, which I didn't. I'm
> guessing that I should prune it this fall, right? How far do you think
> I should go?
I'd deadhead hard right now. In the fall, I wouldn't prune it,
exactly, but definitely top it by a foot or so if you haven't already
taken that much off already. I believe in topping roses where wind
damage is possible. It sure didn't generate growth around here when I
did it last December. Then next spring, I'd prune it at the regular
time.
I hear that the folk in SoCal say it does really well whacked hard,
like an oversized floribunda. I didn't hear that until too late to try
it last winter. I pegged down some droopy canes and pruned off all the
little twiggy growth, and the thing exploded. So definitely prune
Glendora (now correctly called Joasine Hanet) just the way you want it
to look.
> As you can see, it's starting to get a little bit of a "rangey" look.
> Earlier, it looked bushier.
>
> Here are the most recent pics of it (the first two are from about 30
> minutes ago):
>
> http://www.pbase.com/image/19989586
>
> http://www.pbase.com/image/19989546
Man, did that thing grow this year!
> This one's from April of this year:
>
> http://www.pbase.com/image/19989612
Isn't that cute?
> Right now, it's about 5 1/2 feet tall. The earlier shot from April
> shows it about 3 1/2 feet tall. I'd really like to keep that "compact"
> upright bush shape and I guess I'll have to do that by pruning, right?
> Any hints?
Mine gets rangy too.
Here how I pruned to remove lots of the laterals, especially at the
base:
http://home.earthlink.net/~cbernstein/TempImages/GlendoraJan03.jpg
And here's how rangey it was 6 months later, which was a month ago:
http://home.earthlink.net/~cbernstein/TempImages/JoasineJuly03.jpg
Looking at the pruning photo, it's pretty clear that I could have cut
off at least 2/5's more in a half circle shape. I'll do that and more
this year. Mine is definitely wind blown.
I think we're both witnessing that Joasine Hanet is a lovely background
shrub. If we're going to have it as a specimen plant, we have to prune
harder.
Just my opinion this month.
dave weil
wrote:
Thanks for the pretty specific advice, When you say deadhead it hard,
are you saying that I should essentially give up the blooms at this
point of the season?
Did you strip the leaves or did that occur naturally?
BTW, we had a huge gale come in last night with 60 mile and hour
winds. Here's what the plant looks like today:
http://www.pbase.com/image/20022439
As you can see, some of the canes are horozontal or worse.
http://www.pbase.com/image/20022565
Here you can see the lean. I don't have enough bricks to keep it
upright it seems.
I've got a candidate for pegging (the one down on the ground in the
second picture), which I might just do and see what happens.
After seeing your picture of the more mature Portland/Joasine, I think
I'm going to let it go in that direction. I doesn't look like it wants
to grow in the shape that it was at in April. I *will* have to keep it
a bit pruned though, because, as you can see, it's pretty close to the
place where I park my car. Man, it should grow pretty close to Aloha,
that's for sure.
As to Phyllis - YIKES! Even though it isn't a mound anymore, I
wouldn't mind having something like that in my yard! Hmmmmm. Perhaps I
would plant it near the dead maple tree/Cecile Brunner.
And as to Baby Love. Here's a side view of the bush, clearly showing
the bush shape. You know, a couple of those at the entrance to a path,
or maybe at a walkway or steps, would be really cool.
Cass
<dw...@comcast.net> wrote:
No, but after a stem blooms, I'd cut the cane back 6, 8 inches. You
know there are people who cut every cane back to 18 inches to make then
thicker and stronger. Well, Glendora looks like she needs some
backbone.
> Did you strip the leaves or did that occur naturally?
I strip every leaf off every rose every winter.
> BTW, we had a huge gale come in last night with 60 mile and hour
> winds. Here's what the plant looks like today:
>
> http://www.pbase.com/image/20022439
>
> As you can see, some of the canes are horozontal or worse.
>
> http://www.pbase.com/image/20022565
>
> Here you can see the lean. I don't have enough bricks to keep it
> upright it seems.
>
> I've got a candidate for pegging (the one down on the ground in the
> second picture), which I might just do and see what happens.
>
> After seeing your picture of the more mature Portland/Joasine, I think
> I'm going to let it go in that direction. I doesn't look like it wants
> to grow in the shape that it was at in April. I *will* have to keep it
> a bit pruned though, because, as you can see, it's pretty close to the
> place where I park my car. Man, it should grow pretty close to Aloha,
> that's for sure.
Isn't that just like life. You're gonna let yours go all native and I'm
gonna discipline mine to look more like yours. The grass is always
greener...
> As to Phyllis - YIKES! Even though it isn't a mound anymore, I
> wouldn't mind having something like that in my yard! Hmmmmm. Perhaps I
> would plant it near the dead maple tree/Cecile Brunner.
Oh, but you'd better check what the color looks like in the heat. Try
one of the Texas supplier websites and see their pix. Even tho I'm in
USDA zone 9, I'm in Heat zone 2 or 3. So colors are intense and dark
here.
> And as to Baby Love. Here's a side view of the bush, clearly showing
> the bush shape. You know, a couple of those at the entrance to a path,
> or maybe at a walkway or steps, would be really cool.
>
> http://www.pbase.com/image/20022774
Yep, that's just a nice, clean, leafy rose. Terrific.
dave weil
wrote:
>> As to Phyllis - YIKES! Even though it isn't a mound anymore, I
>> wouldn't mind having something like that in my yard! Hmmmmm. Perhaps I
>> would plant it near the dead maple tree/Cecile Brunner.
>
>Oh, but you'd better check what the color looks like in the heat. Try
>one of the Texas supplier websites and see their pix. Even tho I'm in
>USDA zone 9, I'm in Heat zone 2 or 3. So colors are intense and dark
>here.
It really wasn't the color that struck me - it was the size, shape and
profusion of blooms.
As if the lazy gardener that I am needs another deadheading excercise
in hell...
However, a rose that size would pretty much be out of proportion on my
lot, so I'm probably going to pass. Anything over about 8 - 10 feet
tall is just too big visually. My Aloha and Sweet Briar Rose are about
as big as I want to get. I don't mind big, but big horizontal is
probably preferable to big vertical, especially considering that I now
have two dead trees with climbers going up them already.
The crabapple will be particularly impressive in a few years (I hope)
because, in addition to the Ballerina and Don Juan from below, my Old
Blush climber now has canes that have reached the length to hang from
the higher branches. It's creating a sort of natural archway (if I can
maintain it - I *should* probably build a darned archway, but, hey,
the budget just won't allow it - it's strictly gardening on a
shoestring here at the weil household) Here's a shot:
http://www.pbase.com/image/20062844
I oversharpened it a little so that you could see the Old Blush canes
more clearly...
As to Glendorra, I really don't think that any amount of pruning would
keep that great shape from back in April, although I could be wrong,
as I often am. So, I think that I'm going sort of split the
difference. I *have* already taken the longest canes back a foot
though (except for the ones with buds on them...)
CAROL HUTCHINNGS
disease problems, and always looks good.
I don't have any bad ones at the moment!!!
Carol
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Doris
The White Rose Catalog describes it thusly:
Summer Sunset, Hybrid Tea
Luminous orange hues of this elegant rose resemble a summer sunset. Dark green
foliage. The best orange rose ever.
Only if your idea of best is Walmart. The colour is gaudy dayglo orange that
looks as if it's painted on. Ugly bugly. Non-existant scenty.
On the plus side, one stem produces a bouquet. The elongated buds are nicely
shaped, the stems are almost thornless, and perfect for cutting, and it's
extremely disease resistant. Always the last to get powdery mildew and such.
This is the one that the bugs are the least interested in. Looks better in a
vase than in the garden.
Go figure.
Doris
Tim Tompkins
I 'shovel pruned' it this year as it was one of the first to show signs of
powdery mildew and REQUIRED that I use a preventative fungicide, otherwise
most of the garden would become infected.
It is a GREAT exhibitors rose, however in my opinoin just not worth the
trouble.
TT
FOW
to yank it after 5 years. I also yanked Sentimental. It got HUGE, I like
flower I can cut and keep in a vase for a while, it had flowers that would
fall apart too soon. My Sunset Celebration gets fungus and black spot real
bad also..
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MaggieBabb
> *This has probably been asked before but I haven't seen it.
>
> Anyone care to post their single BEST performing (not favorite) rose.
> The one
> that consistantly produces blossoms with the least amount of hassle.
> The one
> that you would recommend in good conscience to a first timer who
> didn't care
> about color but just wanted a steady performer without having to
> 'baby' it.
>
> Mine is Brandy...rock solid since last summer when I planted it. No
> fungus or
> insects problems. Consistantly produces blooms.
>
> How about the one rose you have that makes you want to get your money
> back. The
> embarassment to your rose garden.
>
> Mine is Sterling Silver. Wouldn't recommend it to my worst enemy.
> Gets the
> same treatment as all the rest and has yet to produce any blooms this
> summer.
> It just sits there like a bump on a log. I wish I could get back the
> $20 it
> cost.
>
> thanks
>
> elfa
>
Hi From Scotland. I think my all time favourite rose both here and my
previous home in Ontario (Niagara Falls, zone 6) is by far, David
Austin's Heritage. this rose has never failed me and when I came here,
I planted one to see what would happen in this very cool and moist
climate. I had a bit of blackspot the first year but the blooms were
amazing. this year it has performed beautifully and has been blackspot
free. It even took a first prize in the local garden show..which
totally pleased me. It's fragrant, blooms constantly and is just an all
around great rose. My close second is Zepherine Drouhin..a gorgeous
climber, again prolific,, tolerates a bit of shade and has a great
colour. The worst..and I'm sort of sad to include it..is anotherAustin,
Evelyn. Maybe it's the climate here..but while she has an amazing scent
and colour..the poor thing struggles and struggles and just doesn't do
much.
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MaggieBabb
Maggie Babb
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