Roses Forum Webmaster Responds Again
tomli...@liggettroses.com
that guy.
Jus' goes tuh' show ya' wot' my Momma always said is true: "if someone's
mean to you, you needn't seek revenge, 'cause they're mean to other folks,
too, and they'll eventually take care of themselves".
PetRose wrote in message <19991001234213...@ng-ca1.aol.com>...
>I had been following with some interest Tom Liggett's adventures with the
Roses
>Forum and the Webmaster Spike. I have on occasion made postings on that
Forum
>and in doing so had adhered to the posted rules. I noticed that "Spike"
had
>posted a "Read This" post on his Forum where he invited comment by E-Mail.
It
>was amusing to follow this thread as it would read that it had 11 replies
yet
>he had deleted all of the replies. Finally he deleted his own thread.
>Nevertheless having seen the response he gave to Dave, I sent him an E-Mail
>which was critical of his position. Guess what came back?
>
>"If you don't accept the way we handle our forums, and clearly you do not,
it
>would be hypocritical of you to participate in our forums--and it would be
>irresponsible of me to allow you to.
>Please do not attempt to post again."
>
>So Dave and friends - this is a stock response and is the way Spike the
>Webmaster operates. I think it would be irresponsible of any rosarian not
to
>make known to anyone interested in roses, and especially those stupid
enough to
>advertise on the GardenWeb site, of the way Spike and the Garden Web
handles
>their forums. What a jerk.
James Delahanty
If Spike keeps tossing people like Tom, Petrose, and Dave, the remainders
are going to
get awfully smart awfully fast.....JD
PetRose
Celeste
PetRose <pet...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:19991001234213...@ng-ca1.aol.com...
Hey, that's what I said. ;)
Prodigion
Although I'm disappointed that I wasn't singled out for special
treatment, it's nice to know that I'm in good company.
-Dave Amorde-
Guido J. van den Elshout
> > What a jerk.
>
> Hey, that's what I said. ;)
_0_ Didn't you wash your mouth?
<G>
Guido J. van den Elshout
> Jus' goes tuh' show ya' wot' my Momma always said is true: "if someone's
> mean to you, you needn't seek revenge, 'cause they're mean to other folks,
> too, and they'll eventually take care of themselves".
>
Tom
Well, I think this is a nice end of episode for you after the agrevation and
frustration for you. Moreover it caused some some of "them " to become curious
of RGR.
Isn't it about time to update the RGR FAQ with:
-some nice free speech lines;
-descriptions how differently RGR posters might react;
-and
-not to forget
-the general off topic character of this c(h)at (horse?) room?
heh heh heh
Guido
Time to bring in the dogtails
tomli...@liggettroses.com
agrevation and
frustration for you. Moreover it caused some some of "them " to become
curious
of RGR.
Tom wrote; all the while I was posting "over there", I was quietly "chatting
up" rgr. I don't know if such little as I did (on the POSTIVE side, anyhoo,
Ha! Ha!), had anything to those folks coming over here, BUT; isn't it a
pretty good analogy as to why the Berlin wall was in existence and so firmly
defended for so long?
"How ya' gonna' keep em down on the farm, once they've seen gay Paree"?
T...@liggettroses.com LIGGETT'S ROSE NURSERY www.liggettroses.com
Specializing in old garden and modern classic roses that are ever-blooming
and easy to grow.
See our new webpage: 85 varieties listed, many with color photos!
TEN GREAT PLANTS FOR JUST $60.00, INCLUDING PRIORITY MAIL SHIPPING!
Guido J. van den Elshout wrote in message <37F5C2F5...@wxs.nl>...
BCD
> Gee; "please do not attempt to post again" seems to be a stock answer to
> that guy.
>
> mean to you, you needn't seek revenge, 'cause they're mean to other folks,
> too, and they'll eventually take care of themselves".
***Right. I like to put it this way: "It is in the nature of Evil to
destroy itself. Just wait." But Momma's version is more user-friendly.
Best Wishes,
--BCD.
Web Site: http://www.csulb.edu/~odinthor
BCD
> If Spike keeps tossing people like Tom, Petrose, and Dave, the remainders
> are going to
> get awfully smart awfully fast.....JD
***One wonders where the forum folks' minds are. If the people there
want to be civil to each other, they don't need rules forcing them to be
that way; if they don't want to be civil, then the rules just encourage
insincerity and, via that, a general encouragement of and tolerance of
sham. Here on rgr, it's like a large dinner-party after a rose society
event. Lots of people are talking roses, some are chatting and
gossiping with rose friends about other things, sometimes unruly
gate-crashers force their way, sometimes tempers flare; but, in all
cases, a general freedom reigns, allowing adults to conduct themselves
as they see fit. On the forums, it's like Sharing Day at grade school,
with squinty-eyed Teacher roaming up and down the aisles to make sure
the children don't misbehave--according to the Teacher's strict opinions
concerning "misbehavior."
***But some of those forum children still manage to misbehave, rendering
null the supposed value of the "moderation," leaving the impression that
those personally favored by the moderator can do whatever they want
throwing spit-wads etc., while others must as it were sit at their desks
with their hands folded. My experiences there have been mostly negative
(and the interface is frustrating). I'll take freedom, please.
***I'm sure that I represent the opinion of many when I say: Forum folk
who visit rgr, Welcome! Post your questions and observations freely,
expressed as you see fit. Include, as you see fit, references to
commercial sources or the inanity of other posters, using sarcasm,
patronization, litotes, hyperbole, metaphor, or indeed any other tool of
expression or attitude which serves your meaning. You're free to
choose; just remember that other posters may have something to say about
what you have to say and how you say it! Sometimes it can be choppy
waters here, because many of us are spirited people with strong
opinions. But in the clash of opposing viewpoints, and in the heat of
spirited people allowed to express themselves spiritedly, often some new
understanding or perspective comes out, a new understanding or
perspective which would have remained hidden under the wet blanket of
forum rules. If you see a lot of off-topic chit-chat here, remember
that it's just a means of blowing off steam, or of maintaining the
esprit de corps here which, in the final analysis, helps everyone.
Welcome to the dinner-party; um, to get the wine, you have to let out a
yell . . .
Julie
Maybe some of the forum folks' minds are where mine was - in complete
unawareness of rgr. All I knew how to access was through the netscape
program. If Tom hadn't told me, I still would'nt know. I have a
suggestion, an idea that has been floating through for a week - those
that haven't been banned could start posting there with references to
rgr . Taking away Spike's advertiser's audience could be a way of
letting him know where he is at with his attitude.
Forthgb
>mean to you, you needn't seek revenge, 'cause they're mean to other folks,
>too, and they'll eventually take care of themselves".
>
My mother's 2nd husband told me to let my enemies spin the rope that hangs
them.
forthgb, in springfield oregon
lynda
Forthgb
>yell . . .
YYYYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Joel Mattox
pet...@aol.com says...
> I had been following with some interest Tom Liggett's adventures with the Roses
> Forum and the Webmaster Spike. I have on occasion made postings on that Forum
> and in doing so had adhered to the posted rules. I noticed that "Spike" had
> posted a "Read This" post on his Forum where he invited comment by E-Mail. It
> was amusing to follow this thread as it would read that it had 11 replies yet
> he had deleted all of the replies. Finally he deleted his own thread.
> Nevertheless having seen the response he gave to Dave, I sent him an E-Mail
> which was critical of his position. Guess what came back?
>
> "If you don't accept the way we handle our forums, and clearly you do not, it
> would be hypocritical of you to participate in our forums--and it would be
> irresponsible of me to allow you to.
> Please do not attempt to post again."
>
> So Dave and friends - this is a stock response and is the way Spike the
> Webmaster operates. I think it would be irresponsible of any rosarian not to
> make known to anyone interested in roses, and especially those stupid enough to
> advertise on the GardenWeb site, of the way Spike and the Garden Web handles
> their forums. What a jerk.
>
Getting in the spirit here, it would be irresponsible of me not to
mention that according to the InterNIC registration, the business person
in charge of GardenWeb, who doubtless would like to hear from anyone who
feels that a graduate of the Dr. Goebbels School of Journalistic
Integrity should not be running his forum, can be reached at:
Registrant:
Gardenweb.com (GARDENWEB-DOM)
138 Montgomery St. #1M
Highland Park, NJ 08904
Domain Name: GARDENWEB.COM
Administrative Contact:
Stewart, Robert (RS1148) rste...@VMIRROR.COM
908-249-4527
Operators are standing by. :)
--
Joel Mattox
Saratoga, CA
USDA Zone 9
http://www.randomaccesssolutions.com/rosehelper.htm
http://www.findmyroses.com
--
Joel Mattox
Saratoga, CA
USDA Zone 9
http://www.randomaccesssolutions.com/rosehelper.htm
http://www.findmyroses.com
tomli...@liggettroses.com
an idea that has been floating through for a week - those
that haven't been banned could start posting there with references to
rgr . Taking away Spike's advertiser's audience could be a way of
letting him know where he is at with his attitude.
Tom wrote;
Nasty, but mayhaps effective!
As in all cases of "civil disobedience", we've gotta' be more civil than the
other guy.
T...@liggettroses.com LIGGETT'S ROSE NURSERY www.liggettroses.com
Specializing in old garden and modern classic roses that are ever-blooming
and easy to grow.
See our new webpage: 85 varieties listed, many with color photos!
TEN GREAT PLANTS FOR JUST $60.00, INCLUDING PRIORITY MAIL SHIPPING!
Julie wrote in message <37f66751...@news.cyberhighway.net>...
>>Welcome to the dinner-party; um, to get the wine, you have to let out a
>>yell . . .
>>
Mel Hulse
<stepisso...@newsguy.com> writes:
>
> In article <7t45b8$m...@chronicle.concentric.net>,
> >had
> >>posted a "Read This" post on his Forum where he invited comment by E-Mail.
> >It
> >>was amusing to follow this thread as it would read that it had 11 replies
> >yet
> >>he had deleted all of the replies.
>
I wonder if those of us who haven't been thrown off should treat being throw
off as a badge of honor? Individually, we could post a message with the
subject "Real Rosarians Not Wanted Here" or similiar and mention that the
Director of the SJHRG and the editor of a major ARS magazine have been thrown
off and that "I" am an expert rosarian and want the same recognition!
That should keep Spike busy. ...and confused!
--
Mel Hulse, Col. USAF (Ret'd)
Silicon Valley Rose Farmer
http://www.randomaccesssolutions.com/sjhrg/SJHRG.htm
SUPPORT YOUR PUBLIC ROSE GARDEN!
Mel Hulse
joe.xlma...@co.xncen.xtric.x.com (Joel Mattox) writes:
>
> In article <19991001234213...@ng-ca1.aol.com>,
> pet...@aol.com says...
> > I had been following with some interest Tom Liggett's adventures with the Roses
> > Forum and the Webmaster Spike. I have on occasion made postings on that Forum
> > posted a "Read This" post on his Forum where he invited comment by E-Mail. It
> > was amusing to follow this thread as it would read that it had 11 replies yet
Just posted this to Gardenweb:
Are Real Rosarians Welcome?
Posted by Mel Hulse - 9 (melh...@netcom.com) on Sat, Oct 2, 99 at 20:25
I understand that the Director of the San Jose Heritage Rose Garden was
recently thrown off this forum for answering a question as to whether he had a
certain variety for sale. I further understand that a leading Sourthern
California rosarian and editor of an American Rose Society periodical was
thrown off this forum for questioning the moderation policy.
I feel left out.
I am maintenance director for the San Jose Heritage Rose Garden. I don't sell
roses and I don't edit rose magazines, but I think rose forums should be open
as long as the subject is roses. Fortunately, the newsgroup: rec.gardens.roses
is such. If you feel constrained by the moderation policy here, come see us!
Mel Hulse, Col. USAF (Ret'd)
Silicon Valley Rose Farmer
www.randomaccesssolutions.com/SJHRG/sjhrg.htm
brom
Mel Hulse <melh...@netcom.com> wrote
<Grinning> Good for you Mel. I saw a post expressing a similar sentiment
there recently. It stayed up for a few hours of the NZ evening which is
early morning US Eastern time. Spike must have been otherwise occupied.
When I logged on in the morning it had been pulled. Anyone betting on how
long yours will last?
Don't know where Spike hails from? - It might be possible to time protest
posts like yours for maximum exposure time?
Julia
> <Grinning> Good for you Mel. I saw a post expressing a similar sentiment
> there recently. It stayed up for a few hours of the NZ evening which is
> early morning US Eastern time. Spike must have been otherwise occupied.
> When I logged on in the morning it had been pulled. Anyone betting on how
> long yours will last?
>
> Don't know where Spike hails from? - It might be possible to time protest
> posts like yours for maximum exposure time?
At this writing, Mel's post is still there as are 5 follow-ups, only one
which I would consider critical of his post.
--
Visit the San Diego Rose Society at
http://www.geocities.com/rainforest/vines/2548
Julia
> I wonder if those of us who haven't been thrown off should treat being throw
> off as a badge of honor? Individually, we could post a message with the
> subject "Real Rosarians Not Wanted Here" or similiar and mention that the
> Director of the SJHRG and the editor of a major ARS magazine have been thrown
> off and that "I" am an expert rosarian and want the same recognition!
This is too funny. Exiles can get bumper stickers that say, "I was caned
at the rose forum."
Celeste
Suzanne <Suzanne...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:7t6avv$13...@drn.newsguy.com...
> The Colonel writes-
>
> >I wonder if those of us who haven't been thrown off should treat being
throw
> >off as a badge of honor? Individually, we could post a message with the
> >subject "Real Rosarians Not Wanted Here" or similiar and mention that the
> >Director of the SJHRG and the editor of a major ARS magazine have been
thrown
> >off and that "I" am an expert rosarian and want the same recognition!>
>
sure
> how I'd go about that. I like this idea though. Let us know if you get
the
> standard warning or the boot!
>
> Suzanne
> P.S. Um......what about us peoples who are not *somebodies* in the Rose
World?
> I mean, what am I supposed to claim? The Beach of RecGardensRoses?
>
Not sure you qualify. :0)
Celeste
Mel Hulse <melh...@netcom.com> wrote in message
news:7t66l5$p...@dfw-ixnews13.ix.netcom.com...
> I wonder if those of us who haven't been thrown off should treat being
throw
> off as a badge of honor? Individually, we could post a message with the
> subject "Real Rosarians Not Wanted Here" or similiar and mention that the
> Director of the SJHRG and the editor of a major ARS magazine have been
thrown
> off and that "I" am an expert rosarian and want the same recognition!
>
> That should keep Spike busy. ...and confused!
> --
Great idea!! Hope you do it.
Dazzler
> This is too funny. Exiles can get bumper stickers that say, "I was caned
> at the rose forum."
~~~oOo~~~ omigawd! it's like Singapore all over again!
PetRose
"...mention that the... editor of a major ARS magazine have been thrown off "
And do keep in mind that I never once posted an offending thread (admittedly I
didn't post too often - but they were all quite factual) - My offense was to
criticize him by E-Mail in repsonse to a request for E-Mailed comments. Pretty
remarkable. What goes around does come around, however....
PetRose
wrote:
"If Spike keeps tossing people like Tom, Petrose, and Dave, the remainders
are going to get awfully smart awfully fast....."
From what I've seen there Jim, the remainders by and large have a long distance
to travel to get up to dumb
>>
PetRose
"Maybe some of the forum folks' minds are where mine was - in complete
unawareness of rgr. "
I am certain that is the case.
" thos that haven't been banned could start posting there with references to
rgr ."
I had thought of doing this myself but concluded that it is too much like
trolling and anyway, I thought, why should I mess with someone else's party?
There is a sorta community there and I suspect that any such posts would be
greated poorly by those who feel themselves a part of it. I do note that Spike
does not control E-Mail so I plan to continue to respond to inquiries on that
Forum which interest me. I will of course take the opportunity to suggest to
those really interested in roses (including the large number of people that I
talk with regularly) that posting at that site is a dumb thing. As I have said,
what goes around, comes around - Spike Hernandez or whatever person hides
behind that name is a jerk and has no business moderating a forum dedicated to
roses. The GardenWeb itself has no business in being in business...
Mel Hulse
I find that I have joined the Disneyland circle for my complaint about folks
being thrown off! Of course, I got no respose from Spike. I'm honored to join
the ranks of the real rosarians! ;-)
Too bad, because Sam W.(?) gave a nice review of the Mini conference and
invited you to fill it in!
Julie
Can someone please explain the troll wars to me? I don't even know
what the definition of troll is in this reference.
I've read the responses to Mel's post, and you have a point. I guess
I should let those who like regulations and controlled conversations
to have their space. I am just really glad to be here.
PetRose
"I find that I have joined the Disneyland circle for my complaint about folks
being thrown off! Of course, I got no respose from Spike. I'm honored to join
the ranks of the real rosarians! ;-)"
Congratulations - Ijust finished sending "Spike" a brief update of my
activities and suggested that with some luck he should soon have a lot of free
time to spend at Disneyland.
"Too bad, because Sam W.(?) gave a nice review of the Mini conference and
invited you to fill it in!"
Ah yes - Sam was at the Mini Conference and just by coincidence, I sent Sam an
E-Mail this evening detailing the Spike events and suggesting that the action
is at rgr. :-)
Dazzler
> Can someone please explain the troll wars to me? I don't even know
> what the definition of troll is in this reference.
~~~oOo~~~ Wellllll, once upon a time, in a magical kingdom somewhere In Virtual
Reality there lived a motley crew of folks who had One Thing In Common. They were
rose nutz. That was just about the only thing they had in common with each other,
except that some of them were befuddled befublicans and a few, special wonderful
people, were flemocrats. But that's another story and we shouldn't go there this
morning. Sometimes, the people in the magical kingdom would rant and rave at one
another and stomp around in a huff. Sometimes, they were all smoochey-woochey and
disgusting. There was a lot of ebb and flow in the Emotional Department.
~~~oOo~~~ One day, a stranger appeared in the magical kingdom. The annals of history
are foggy now, and becoming foggier and foggier with time, but a war ensued between
the stranger and the inhabitants of the magical kingdom and one thing lead to
another and Defenders of the Stranger (aka people who had never been to the magical
kingdom before and are also known as trolls) joined the fray. There was a lot of
gnashing of teeth, raising of fists, yelling, screaming, hollering, etc., etc. But
when the smoke had finally cleared, the people of the magical kingdom and the
stranger had become As One. Peace and Love Reigned in the land. The trolls went
away, although one or two of them occasionally pop in just to say hello.
~~~oOo~~~ The stranger, who was drawn into the bosom of the magical kingdom, grew to
love roses, and rose people, very, very much and went on to grow millions and
millions of roses. Led by her spiritual rose guide, Big Momma, the stranger, who was
in truth a stranger no more, eventually became the President of the American Rose
Society. A large urban rose garden was named in her honor. And all the people from
the magical kingdom would meet there every spring for mint julep and some of Janie
Hillman's cookies.
~~~oOo~~~ The End.
Julie
>I love stories. I would love to hear more stories aboout the special wonderful flemocrats. And about their new king, Basketball Bill.
>
Dazzler
> >I love stories. I would love to hear more stories aboout the special wonderful flemocrats. And about their new king, Basketball Bill.
>>><<< uh oh... Julie, dear... the special wonderful flemocrats don't mention Basketball Bill very much because one of them, the Mighty
Pee Can Guru, has a tendency to, shall we say, get a little excited when things like this are mentioned. <g>
James Delahanty
Dazzler wrote in message <37F8F0AB...@edma.com>...
>Julie wrote:
>
. the special wonderful flemocrats don't mention Basketball Bill very much
because one of them, the Mighty
>Pee Can Guru, has a tendency to, shall we say, get a little excited when
things like this are mentioned
Self-censorship is sooooooo much better than Spikery, isn't it?
Tell the truth: the real reason the flemocrats don't mention their
candidates is because they have found the only two guys in the country
capable of inducing terminal ennui.......JD
Dazzler
> Self-censorship is sooooooo much better than Spikery, isn't it?
>>><<< aw what the hell... JULIE! ignore whatever I said -- fire away! (you
realize, JIM!, don't you ... she is the one who asked about the trolls?
Obviously, she's lead a very sheltered and protected life.)
> Tell the truth: the real reason the flemocrats don't mention their
> candidates is because they have found the only two guys in the country
> capable of inducing terminal ennui.......
>>><<< tell the truth... one of 'em's gonna win cuz other than a famous last
name nobody on the Other Side is capable of ANYthing...
Celeste
>
> Can someone please explain the troll wars to me? I don't even know
> what the definition of troll is in this reference.
> I've read the responses to Mel's post, and you have a point. I guess
> I should let those who like regulations and controlled conversations
> to have their space. I am just really glad to be here.
Julie, it is rather complicated, and there are many interpretations of the so-called
troll wars. I am recognized as the person who sicced a bunch of trolls on rgr
because of what I, a newbie at the time, felt was rotten treatment from some rgr
regulars. Some of us have worked it out and made our peace, others have not. It is
my opinion that many of us behaved badly, including me, and I have apologized for my
part in the mess, as have some of the rgr oldtimers. If you really want to see the
carnage, go to Dejanews and enter something like "troll," or perhaps, "Celeste."
Celeste
> Julie wrote:
>
> > Can someone please explain the troll wars to me? I don't even know
> > what the definition of troll is in this reference.
>
> ROTFL!!!!
Dazzler
> > ROTFL!!!!
>>><<< then my work is done... my life... complete (sigh)
Mel Hulse
<mrsh...@hotmail.com>Mon, 04 Oct 1999 18:07:50 -0400 writes:
>
> Julie wrote:
>
> >
> > Can someone please explain the troll wars to me? I don't even know
> > what the definition of troll is in this reference.
> > I should let those who like regulations and controlled conversations
> > to have their space. I am just really glad to be here.
>
> Julie, it is rather complicated, and there are many interpretations of the so-called
> troll wars. I am recognized as the person who sicced a bunch of trolls on rgr
> because of what I, a newbie at the time, felt was rotten treatment from some rgr
> regulars. Some of us have worked it out and made our peace, others have not. It is
> my opinion that many of us behaved badly, including me, and I have apologized for my
> part in the mess, as have some of the rgr oldtimers. If you really want to see the
> carnage, go to Dejanews and enter something like "troll," or perhaps, "Celeste."
Thanks Celeste, for the clear an unbiased statement of what happened. As most
here know, I'm a "live and let liver." You and yours appeared at the time to
be just trying to trash a useful and fun group. For that reason, I got as
angry as I get. As an old netizen, I would have thought you might have lurked
a while to get a feel for the group before assuming we were out to get you.
Anyway, I glad things have been resolved as they have. I felt they would in
time. The time was shorter than I thought it would be. So on with the show!
--
Mel Hulse, Col. USAF (Ret'd)
Silicon Valley Rose Farmer
http://www.randomaccesssolutions.com/sjhrg/SJHRG.htm
Celeste
Dazzler <tho...@edma.com> wrote in message
news:37F8F0AB...@edma.com...
> Julie wrote:
>
> > >I love stories. I would love to hear more stories aboout the special
wonderful flemocrats. And about their new king, Basketball Bill.
>
mention Basketball Bill very much because one of them, the Mighty
> Pee Can Guru, has a tendency to, shall we say, get a little excited when
>
I do too. Verrry excited.
Celeste
James Delahanty <JIMDEL...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:7tas76$7mk$1...@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com...
> because one of them, the Mighty
> >Pee Can Guru, has a tendency to, shall we say, get a little excited when
> things like this are mentioned
>
>
> candidates is because they have found the only two guys in the country
>
An' we thought you were a dem. Now we understand. ;)
Celeste
> James Delahanty wrote:
>
> > Self-censorship is sooooooo much better than Spikery, isn't it?
>
(you
> realize, JIM!, don't you ... she is the one who asked about the trolls?
> Obviously, she's lead a very sheltered and protected life.)
>
> > candidates is because they have found the only two guys in the country
>
> >>><<< tell the truth... one of 'em's gonna win cuz other than a famous
last
> name nobody on the Other Side is capable of ANYthing...
Particularly of appearing to have anything resembling a platform, in the
case of the Shrub.
Celeste
Silvirado <silv...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:19991004200304...@ng-ce1.aol.com...
> >From: Dazzler tho...@edma.com
>
> >
> >Celeste wrote:
> >
> >> > ROTFL!!!!
> >
> >>>><<< then my work is done... my life... complete (sigh)
> >
>
Yep.
Celeste
Judy
>
>Mel Hulse wrote:
>> I wonder if those of us who haven't been thrown off should treat being throw
>> off as a badge of honor? Individually, we could post a message with the
>> subject "Real Rosarians Not Wanted Here" or similiar and mention that the
>> off and that "I" am an expert rosarian and want the same recognition!
>
>at the rose forum."
>
Judy
Judy
says...
>
>melh...@netcom.com (Mel Hulse) wrote:
>
>"...mention that the... editor of a major ARS magazine have been thrown off "
>
>And do keep in mind that I never once posted an offending thread (admittedly I
>didn't post too often - but they were all quite factual) - My offense was to
>criticize him by E-Mail in repsonse to a request for E-Mailed comments. Pretty
>remarkable. What goes around does come around, however....
The experience Tom, Dave and you have had with Spike will certainly cure anyone
who ever toyed with the idea of rgr being moderated. I don't generally care for
extremes, but if I had to choose between the anarchy that could come from free
speech or the autocracy of a dictator, the choice is very simple for me. I
might not always like what I read or hear, and I might complain, but I'd still
rather that we all have the right do say what we want, and if we leave or stay
or lurk or whatever, the moderation comes from within, not from some little
dictator.
Judy
James Delahanty
Celeste wrote in message <7tbhno$ope$1...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>...
>
>James Delahanty <JIMDEL...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
>news:7tas76$7mk$1...@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com...
>>
>> Dazzler wrote in message <37F8F0AB...@edma.com>...
>>
>An' we thought you were a dem. Now we understand. ;)
You were right the first time; I have been a registered Dem for over forty
years. JD
>
>
James Delahanty
>Oh, mann. Didn't you get the "An' we" part? Ennui? *Wilting*
I didn't get it, but I should have. Maybe exposure to the tedium twins
dulls the senses....or maybe I just followed the McGuffin......JimD
Bill
pet...@aol.com says...
><<Suzanne Suzanne...@newsguy.com wrote:
>
>"Even Petrose would buy this, I think."
>
>Good lord - I find myself in agreement with Suzanne twice on the same day.
>
Must be the weather!
Bill in Alhambra Calif.
whil...@mindspring.com
11:26:01 pm 10/4/1999
James Delahanty
Bill wrote in message ...
>In article <19991005002510...@ng-xb1.aol.com>,
>>>"Even Petrose would buy this, I think."
>>
>>Good lord - I find myself in agreement with Suzanne twice on the same day.
>>
>Must be the weather!
A triumvirate of Suzanne, Petrose and Celeste. It cannot be. I must up my
meds
immediately. (g) My ego reality testing equipment has gone SPLAT!
Joseph
Silvirado
Julie
>James Delahanty wrote:
>
>> Self-censorship is sooooooo much better than Spikery, isn't it?
>
>>>><<< aw what the hell... JULIE! ignore whatever I said -- fire away! (you
>realize, JIM!, don't you ... she is the one who asked about the trolls?
>Obviously, she's lead a very sheltered and protected life.)
>
>> Tell the truth: the real reason the flemocrats don't mention their
>> candidates is because they have found the only two guys in the country
>> capable of inducing terminal ennui.......
>
>>>><<< tell the truth... one of 'em's gonna win cuz other than a famous last
>name nobody on the Other Side is capable of ANYthing...
>
Actually, they are capable of raising a hell of a lot of money from
giant corporations that want a puppet in the Oval office.
PetRose
Celeste
Oh, mann. Didn't you get the "An' we" part? Ennui? *Wilting*
Julia
> >This is too funny. Exiles can get bumper stickers that say, "I was caned
> >at the rose forum."
> >
> Ah ha, time for a new t-shirt!! Alice, where are you?
Burned out from the great book caper, no doubt.
--
Visit the San Diego Rose Society at
http://www.geocities.com/rainforest/vines/2548
Bob Bauer
Paraphrasing:
>~~~oOo~~~ Wellllll, once upon a time....They were
>rose nutz.... special wonderful
>people, were flemocrats. ... smoochey-woochey and
>disgusting. There was a lot of ebb and flow in the Emotional Department.
>~~~oOo~~~... The annals of history
>are foggy now
>...gnashing of teeth, raising of fists, yelling, screaming, hollering, etc., etc.
> ... Peace and Love Reigned in the land.
>~~~oOo~~~ ...the bosom of the magical kingdom,...millions and
>millions of roses....Big Momma, ...mint julep and some of Janie
>Hillman's cookies.
>~~~oOo~~~ The End.
Definitely the finest classic tale of despair and redemption, followed
by mint juleps that I have ever read.
It brings a virtual welling of the eyes simply to follow the ebb and
flow of the Emotional Department alone, let alone the mysterious
"other story" of the special wonderful flemocrats!
I raise my mint julep in silent salute and tribute to the memory of
those rosarians and trolls those who died or were wounded in the war
of words... sniff......
In memory of:
bob bauer
veteran (killed in action early in the fighting)
Guido J. van den Elshout
> Can someone please explain the troll wars to me? I don't even know
> what the definition of troll is in this reference.
I cannot tell better stories than some of the others here like Dazzy, but for your
info here is my pic of a troll:
http://home.wxs.nl/~gelshout/brassie13.jpg
<g>
Guido
Dazzler
> No way. Time to get serious and write the Great American Novel...
>>><<< did you see that Stephen King has moved beYOND horror and gore
and has now come up with A Great American Novel!??!?! (These ideas of
yours seem to be conTAgious!)
Dazzler
> I do too. Verrry excited.
>>><<< wellll, JIMD! has so correctly pointed out that we all can do
whatsoever we want to with absolutely no regard for certain individuals
OBvious biases. In other words, anybody can go in and put a match to the
powder keg. JIMD! says it's OK. He's happy. So, get as exCITed as you want...
the more excited-er the better...
Dazzler
> Celeste wrote in message <7tbhno$ope$1...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>...
> >
> >James Delahanty <JIMDEL...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
> >news:7tas76$7mk$1...@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com...
> >>
> >> Dazzler wrote in message <37F8F0AB...@edma.com>...
> :
>
> >>
> >An' we thought you were a dem. Now we understand. ;)
>
> You were right the first time; I have been a registered Dem for over forty
> years. JD
>>><<< yeah, back then you took a chisel to the voting cave and made a mark on
a large stone...
Dazzler
>>><<< EXcellent post, Julia... EXcellent...
Dazzler
> >
> >Oh, mann. Didn't you get the "An' we" part? Ennui? *Wilting*
>
> I didn't get it, but I should have. Maybe exposure to the tedium twins
> dulls the senses....or maybe I just followed the McGuffin......JimD
>>><<< ah ah ah.... now, JAMES!
Dazzler
> Silvirado <silv...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:19991004200304...@ng-ce1.aol.com...
> > >From: Dazzler tho...@edma.com
> >
> > >
> > >Celeste wrote:
> > >
> > >> > ROTFL!!!!
> > >
> > >>>><<< then my work is done... my life... complete (sigh)
> > >
> >
> > No way. Time to get serious and write the Great American Novel...
>
> Yep.
)))((( so... what's it gonna be about?
James Delahanty
Dazzler wrote in message <37F9EF2C...@edma.com>...
>
>>>><<< yeah, back then you took a chisel to the voting cave and made a mark
on
>a large stone...
>
the stones
over and over again to make voting easier for the aged. And the losers
accepted
defeat by being pelted with the ballots. It cut down on the vanity
candidates and the
think-skinned.
JD
Dazzler
> You are correct.
>>><<< I am printing *this* and pasting it to my wall...
> Voting was a weightier matter then. Of course, we used
> the stones
> over and over again to make voting easier for the aged. And the losers
> accepted
> defeat by being pelted with the ballots. It cut down on the vanity
> candidates and the
> think-skinned.
>>><<< hahahaha think-skinned, huh? I'm sorry, James... hahahaha (no I'm not!)
>>><<< JIM! in your garden, do you have one specimen of each rose (that you
have, not that ever existed in the whole world!) or do you have more than one
copy of any/some varieties? (I *know* you have stones, i.e., former ballots,
there already... part of the Left Coast's recycling program, I presume...)
Silvirado
>>>><<< did you see that Stephen King has moved beYOND horror and gore
>and has now come up with A Great American Novel!??!?!
Perhaps he saw his 'work' in a new light, after his brush with the great
beyond.....
TANGO 2X2
>I cannot tell better stories than some of the others here like Dazzy, but for
your info here is my pic of a troll:
>
> http://home.wxs.nl/~gelshout/brassie13.jpg
>
><g>
Hey, Guido, is that the picture of Dr. Spatkolbutt, the mad Swedish rosarian
who developed the blue rose?
Tango
Bob Bauer
>... for your
>info here is my pic of a troll:
>
> http://home.wxs.nl/~gelshout/brassie13.jpg
Wow! Where do they come from? I especially like the hair style and
the earring.
(If I was to judge just by the teeth alone, I would say it must be the
UK! <g>)
bob bauer
Alice Flores
Delahanty <JIMDEL...@prodigy.net> wrote:
>
> Tell the truth: the real reason the flemocrats don't mention their
> candidates is because they have found the only two guys in the country
****** Now, now that isn't why candidates aren't getting mentioned
here. Politics has always produced wild flaming threads when we get
started. But I can't resist a comment on the above. Since when have
Americans demanded that their presidential candidates be *interesting*
people? Since TV became such a major factor in how we assess them?
Unless a candidate can produce groovy soundbites regularly and has a
"look" (dignified but somehow cool) that appeals to the citizenry, we
write him off as ennui-inducing. Personally I'd rather have a guy as
president who was something of a plodder than a sexy, camera-conscious,
rhetorician. Do we really need another party boy in the White House?
I guess it's too bad that people have become so habituated to flash,
smoke and mirrors that they can't sit still and listen carefully when a
serious candidate outlines a serious platform. More's the pity.
Actually, when I think about it, the only "interesting" people who've
occupied the White House in many years were Dems -- JFK, and FDR.
IMHO!
The Befubs haven't had an interesting candidate since Teddy Roosevelt.
Alice Flores
wrote:
> Julie wrote:
>
> > Can someone please explain the troll wars to me? I don't even know
> > what the definition of troll is in this reference.
>
> ~~~oOo~~~ Wellllll, once upon a time, in a magical kingdom somewhere In
> Virtual
> Reality
***** Julie -- this is a pretty tale, but it may not quite jibe with
some folks' experiences vis-a-vis the trolls. I think that you will
not actually have your question (quoted above) answered here in r.g.r.
And there are very good reasons for that. If you want to get a bit
more perspective on a particularly traumatic piece of our history you
might email a few people and ask for their viewpoint.
Dazzler
> Guido wrote:
>
> >I cannot tell better stories than some of the others here like Dazzy, but for
> your info here is my pic of a troll:
> >
> > http://home.wxs.nl/~gelshout/brassie13.jpg
> >
> ><g>
>
> Hey, Guido, is that the picture of Dr. Spatkolbutt, the mad Swedish rosarian
> who developed the blue rose?
>
Hey TANGO!
That's Schpecklebutt... hahahaha... and didn't he hail from Rotterdam? (Where IS
Rotterdam anyway? Nevada?) <g>
oldfas...@my-deja.com
pet...@aol.com (PetRose) wrote:
> "James Delahanty" JIMDEL...@prodigy.net
> wrote:
>
> "If Spike keeps tossing people like Tom, Petrose, and Dave, the remainders
> are going to get awfully smart awfully fast....."
>
> From what I've seen there Jim, the remainders by and large have a long distance
> to travel to get up to dumb
>
> >>
>
>
Hey, I resemble that remark! (she delurks) It's because rosarians are
being driven off the forum that the quality of advice has gone downhill.
Being a rank newbie at roses myself, I used to put in there now and
then. And it does seem to attract the sort of beginner that could best
be served by rgc experts. Myself, I've only been banned from gardenweb
twice - once for having links to commercial sites on my homepage, and
once because I publicly told Spike and his minions (yes, he does have
minions!) where to go after his disgraceful treatment of another poor
soul. But check out some of the other forums - they've been turned into
agony aunt columns lately!
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
Celeste
Dazzler <tho...@edma.com> wrote in message
news:37F938AE...@edma.com...
> Celeste wrote:
>
> > > ROTFL!!!!
>
> >>><<< then my work is done... my life... complete (sigh)
>
Wow, that was really easy.
Celeste
> Celeste wrote:
>
> > Silvirado <silv...@aol.com> wrote in message
> > news:19991004200304...@ng-ce1.aol.com...
> > > >From: Dazzler tho...@edma.com
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> > ROTFL!!!!
> > > >
> > > >>>><<< then my work is done... my life... complete (sigh)
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > Yep.
>
> )))((( so... what's it gonna be about?
>
Like I'd really tell you if I actually had a great novel idea. I plan on
being your competition, toots.
Mel Hulse
>
> Celeste wrote:
>
> > Silvirado <silv...@aol.com> wrote in message
> > news:19991004200304...@ng-ce1.aol.com...
> > > >From: Dazzler tho...@edma.com
> > >
> > > >
> > > >Celeste wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> > ROTFL!!!!
> > > >
> > > >>>><<< then my work is done... my life... complete (sigh)
> > > >
> > >
> > > No way. Time to get serious and write the Great American Novel...
> >
> > Yep.
>
> )))((( so... what's it gonna be about?
>
How to avoid getting sideswiped?
--
Mel Hulse, Col. USAF (Ret'd)
Silicon Valley Rose Farmer
http://www.randomaccesssolutions.com/sjhrg/SJHRG.htm
SUPPORT YOUR PUBLIC ROSE GARDEN!
Celeste
> >
> >Oh, mann. Didn't you get the "An' we" part? Ennui? *Wilting*
>
>
> I didn't get it, but I should have. Maybe exposure to the tedium twins
> dulls the senses....or maybe I just followed the McGuffin......JimD
>
Mel Hulse
<afl...@mcn.org> writes:
>
> More's the pity.
> Actually, when I think about it, the only "interesting" people who've
> occupied the White House in many years were Dems -- JFK, and FDR.
> IMHO!
Obviously two very reticent politicians!
> The Befubs haven't had an interesting candidate since Teddy Roosevelt.
You didn't think Nixon was "interesting?"
Celeste
> JimD writes-
>
> >Bill wrote in message ...
> >>In article <19991005002510...@ng-xb1.aol.com>,
> >>>>"Even Petrose would buy this, I think."
>
> >>>Good lord - I find myself in agreement with Suzanne twice on the same day.
> >>>
> >>Must be the weather!
>
> >A triumvirate of Suzanne, Petrose and Celeste. It cannot be. I must up my
> >meds
> >immediately. (g) My ego reality testing equipment has gone SPLAT!
>
> >Joseph
>
> ***Hi Joseph! Just a quick question: Is JimD your inner troll?
>
> Suzanne
Suzzzzzaaannnne! "triumvirate?" As in Jesus, Mary and J . . . J . . . ?
Dazzler
> ***** Julie -- this is a pretty tale, but it may not quite jibe with
> some folks' experiences vis-a-vis the trolls.
~~~oOo~~~ hahahaha no? She ... made... it... up?
Dazzler
> *Brightening up* Haha, who are the tedium twins?? Who is McGuffin?
~~~oOo~~~ yes, Jim... who are the *tediums*?
Dazzler
> Wow, that was really easy.
~~~oOo~~~ yeah, what can I say?
Forthgb
>most
>here know, I'm a "live and let liver." You and yours appeared at the time to
>be just trying to trash a useful and fun group. For that reason, I got as
>angry as I get.
Mel, I was mightily pissed off at her too, but live and let live by doing just
that. Heck, as I wrote to her myself, "Hell must have frozen over and
Congress is honest, because I find myself in agreement with you!" Her
statement was gracious, please cut her some slack. You say nice things even to
me. (g & rvvf)
forthgb, in springfield oregon
lynda
Forthgb
>a large stone...
>
>
>
Dazzler, you sure you aren't my daughter under another name? "My mom is so old
she has this urge to go out in the backyard and pound two rocks together."
Dazzler
> Mel, I was mightily pissed off at her too, but live and let live by doing just
> that. Heck, as I wrote to her myself, "Hell must have frozen over and
> Congress is honest, because I find myself in agreement with you!" Her
> statement was gracious, please cut her some slack. You say nice things even to
> me. (g & rvvf)
~~~oOo~~~ sometimes... I find myself just wanting to *hug* this woman...
Dazzler
> Dazzler, you sure you aren't my daughter under another name? "My mom is so old
> she has this urge to go out in the backyard and pound two rocks together."
~~~oOo~~~ If I am your daughter, dear, you had me when you were a baby yourself...
that aside... Oregon is supposed to be a fanTAStic place to grow roses... there was
a special on PBS ages ago about some guys who went to Egypt (I think) to undercover
the truth behind just how those guys way back when made those humongous stone
obelisks... they determined that a bunch (as in hundreds of thousands, or
thereabouts) of people (I don't think they considered them people at that time...)
hit a big stone with a bunch of little stones over and over and over again each and
every day... do you think you might be Shirley Maclaine-ing (I spelled that wrong)
it, and perhaps in an earlier life, your daughter has dim memories of pounding
stones with you? Close your eyes and meditate on this for a couple seconds, k?
Dazzler
> Hels
>
~~~oOo~~~ Hels?
Pat Walker
Judy wrote:
> In article <19991003230427...@ng-fw1.aol.com>, pet...@aol.com
> says...
> >
> >melh...@netcom.com (Mel Hulse) wrote:
> >
> >"...mention that the... editor of a major ARS magazine have been thrown off "
> >
> >And do keep in mind that I never once posted an offending thread (admittedly I
> >didn't post too often - but they were all quite factual) - My offense was to
> >criticize him by E-Mail in repsonse to a request for E-Mailed comments. Pretty
> >remarkable. What goes around does come around, however....
>
> The experience Tom, Dave and you have had with Spike will certainly cure anyone
> who ever toyed with the idea of rgr being moderated. I don't generally care for
> extremes, but if I had to choose between the anarchy that could come from free
> speech or the autocracy of a dictator, the choice is very simple for me. I
> might not always like what I read or hear, and I might complain, but I'd still
> rather that we all have the right do say what we want, and if we leave or stay
> or lurk or whatever, the moderation comes from within, not from some little
> dictator.
>
> Judy
Boy, it seems like there must be a happy medium somewhere...between the twit Spike,
with his superego, and the troll-times. A light-handed moderator? Or is there such
a thing, as a moderator without an ego? Probably not. I'm sure I'd make a poor
one. Too opinionated
Celeste
>
> In article <37F8B0D4...@edma.com>, Dazzler <tho...@edma.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Julie wrote:
> >
> > > Can someone please explain the troll wars to me? I don't even know
> > > what the definition of troll is in this reference.
> >
> > ~~~oOo~~~ Wellllll, once upon a time, in a magical kingdom somewhere In
> > Virtual
> > Reality
>
> not actually have your question (quoted above) answered here in r.g.r.
> And there are very good reasons for that. If you want to get a bit
> more perspective on a particularly traumatic piece of our history you
> might email a few people and ask for their viewpoint.
I believe I gave Julie a straightforward answer to her question. Are you
having a bit of trouble "letting go?" Traumatic? Here is hoping you
don't experience anything like real trauma in your life, then.
Celeste
>
> Alice Flores wrote:
>
> > ***** Julie -- this is a pretty tale, but it may not quite jibe with
> > some folks' experiences vis-a-vis the trolls.
>
Careful, now, Alice has been "traumatized."
Celeste
>
> >Thanks Celeste, for the clear an unbiased statement of what happened. As
> >most
> >here know, I'm a "live and let liver." You and yours appeared at the time to
> >be just trying to trash a useful and fun group. For that reason, I got as
> >angry as I get.
>
> that. Heck, as I wrote to her myself, "Hell must have frozen over and
> Congress is honest, because I find myself in agreement with you!" Her
> statement was gracious, please cut her some slack. You say nice things even to
> me. (g & rvvf)
> lynda
Thank you, Lynda, and thanks to Mel, too. My take is that he has cut me
considerable slack, and I am appreciative.
Celeste
>
> Forthgb wrote:
>
> > Mel, I was mightily pissed off at her too, but live and let live by doing just
> > that. Heck, as I wrote to her myself, "Hell must have frozen over and
> > Congress is honest, because I find myself in agreement with you!" Her
> > statement was gracious, please cut her some slack. You say nice things even to
> > me. (g & rvvf)
>
Yep, me too. You know, the responses of many folks to this extraordinary
discussion, in e-mail and here, make me feel like it has been worth the
effort to stay here. Pretty weird, pretty cool. I'm not wrong about
everybody, only most people, right? :-)
Judy
>
>> Hi Bob,
>>
>> Getting in the spirit here, it would be irresponsible of me not to
>> mention that according to the InterNIC registration, the business person
>> in charge of GardenWeb, who doubtless would like to hear from anyone who
>> feels that a graduate of the Dr. Goebbels School of Journalistic
>> Integrity should not be running his forum, can be reached at:
>>
>> Registrant:
>> Gardenweb.com (GARDENWEB-DOM)
>> 138 Montgomery St. #1M
>> Highland Park, NJ 08904
>>
>> Domain Name: GARDENWEB.COM
>>
>> Administrative Contact:
>> Stewart, Robert (RS1148) rste...@VMIRROR.COM
>> 908-249-4527
>>
>> Operators are standing by. :)
Yes, but who's to say that Robt. Stewart is not the same Mr. Spike? If nothing
else, at least his cover would be blown.
Judy
>
Guido J. van den Elshout
In article <19991001234213...@ng-ca1.aol.com>,
pet...@aol.com says...
> I had been following with some interest Tom Liggett's adventures with the Roses
> Forum and the Webmaster Spike. I have on occasion made postings on that Forum
> and in doing so had adhered to the posted rules. I noticed that "Spike" had
> posted a "Read This" post on his Forum where he invited comment by E-Mail. It
> was amusing to follow this thread as it would read that it had 11 replies yet
> he had deleted all of the replies. Finally he deleted his own thread.
> Nevertheless having seen the response he gave to Dave, I sent him an E-Mail
> which was critical of his position. Guess what came back?
>
> "If you don't accept the way we handle our forums, and clearly you do not, it
> would be hypocritical of you to participate in our forums--and it would be
> irresponsible of me to allow you to.
> Please do not attempt to post again."
>
> So Dave and friends - this is a stock response and is the way Spike the
> Webmaster operates. I think it would be irresponsible of any rosarian not to
> make known to anyone interested in roses, and especially those stupid enough to
> advertise on the GardenWeb site, of the way Spike and the Garden Web handles
> their forums. What a jerk.
>
Hi Bob,
Getting in the spirit here, it would be irresponsible of me not to
mention that according to the InterNIC registration, the business person
in charge of GardenWeb, who doubtless would like to hear from anyone who
feels that a graduate of the Dr. Goebbels School of Journalistic
Integrity should not be running his forum, can be reached at:
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138 Montgomery St. #1M
Highland Park, NJ 08904
Domain Name: GARDENWEB.COM
Administrative Contact:
Stewart, Robert (RS1148) rste...@VMIRROR.COM
908-249-4527
Operators are standing by. :)
--
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Saratoga, CA
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I second
I dunno
wud this be illegal?
Hels
Guido J. van den Elshout
> **Excellent post, excellent!!!
Doppler on the move?
or is it Dopler?
Gdop
Guido J. van den Elshout
> A light-handed moderator?
Mode Errator maybe?
Guido
Guido J. van den Elshout
> Silvirado <silv...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:19991004200304...@ng-ce1.aol.com...
> > >From: Dazzler tho...@edma.com
> >
> > >
> > >Celeste wrote:
> > >
> > >> > ROTFL!!!!
> > >
> > >>>><<< then my work is done... my life... complete (sigh)
> > >
> >
> > No way. Time to get serious and write the Great American Novel...
>
> Yep.
<G> C back to work:-)
Guido
Guido J. van den Elshout
> In article <7tas76$7mk$1...@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com>, James
> Delahanty <JIMDEL...@prodigy.net> wrote:
> >
> > Tell the truth: the real reason the flemocrats don't mention their
> > candidates is because they have found the only two guys in the country
> > capable of inducing terminal ennui.......JD
>
> ****** Now, now that isn't why candidates aren't getting mentioned
> here. Politics has always produced wild flaming threads when we get
> started. But I can't resist a comment on the above. Since when have
> Americans demanded that their presidential candidates be *interesting*
> people? Since TV became such a major factor in how we assess them?
> Unless a candidate can produce groovy soundbites regularly and has a
> "look" (dignified but somehow cool) that appeals to the citizenry, we
> write him off as ennui-inducing. Personally I'd rather have a guy as
> president who was something of a plodder than a sexy, camera-conscious,
> rhetorician. Do we really need another party boy in the White House?
> I guess it's too bad that people have become so habituated to flash,
> smoke and mirrors that they can't sit still and listen carefully when a
> serious candidate outlines a serious platform. More's the pity.
> Actually, when I think about it, the only "interesting" people who've
> occupied the White House in many years were Dems -- JFK, and FDR.
> IMHO!
> The Befubs haven't had an interesting candidate since Teddy Roosevelt.
Over here we had that all along in those days you were reigned by foreign
kings. We had our Republic of the Seven United Provinces (nothing bigger
than 7 of your avarage counties) and our Stad houders (in a way by
inheritance) were posing as presidents...Now we have a queen...keep dreaming
about your presidents...:-)))))
Guido
Guido J. van den Elshout
> TANGO 2X2 wrote:
>
> > Guido wrote:
> >
> > >I cannot tell better stories than some of the others here like Dazzy, but for
> > your info here is my pic of a troll:
> > >
> > > http://home.wxs.nl/~gelshout/brassie13.jpg
> > >
> > ><g>
> >
> > Hey, Guido, is that the picture of Dr. Spatkolbutt, the mad Swedish rosarian
> > who developed the blue rose?
> >
>
> Hey TANGO!
>
> That's Schpecklebutt... hahahaha... and didn't he hail from Rotterdam? (Where IS
> Rotterdam anyway? Nevada?) <g>
Rotterdam...20 miles SE of here nuthing more...
Guido
Prodigion
>
> Boy, it seems like there must be a happy medium somewhere...between the twit Spike,
> with his superego, and the troll-times. A light-handed moderator? Or is there such
> a thing, as a moderator without an ego? Probably not. I'm sure I'd make a poor
> one. Too opinionated
>
Keep in mind that the Gardenweb Forum is filled with people who seem to
be quite happy (or quite ignorant) of Spike's censorship. By definition,
a "moderator" will only please about half the people who would
potentially speak up. The other 50% will accuse him of being too
heavyhanded, or too forgiving. The only rule of participation that is
immune from missinterpretation is: Anything goes.
-Dave- who posted to GW succesfully as "Dave Amorde" today, though
"Prodigion" is still persona non grata
Julia
> -Dave- who posted to GW succesfully as "Dave Amorde" today, though
> "Prodigion" is still persona non grata
He's just jealous. He knows the origin.
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~~~oOo~~~ ... I'm still trying to figure out "Hels"... bells? huh?