Care Free Rose, is there such a thing?
rob...@ccnet.com
I want a no hassel, no care type of rose for the planter on the west side
of my house. Gets to the low 100's here.
Little spraying..little feeding....
Tips.....I am lazy....most of my gardening is containor.
suggestions
S F Bay Area
bugman
You might want to go to a floral outlet and get yourself some plastic
roses. They don't take any watering or fertilizers and do well with
little care. Also, they are pest resistant so you don't have to spray
either.
--
Baldo Villegas (Bugman), Entomologist/ARS Consulting Rosarian
Orangevale, California
Home Page: http://www.concentric.net/~bugman/
E-Mail: Bug...@Concentric.Net
rob...@ccnet.com
Your post took a real amount of thought and time. I am thankful others
replied with some help.
Consulting Rosarian.....you must be kidding.
Alice Flores
In article <robbert-ya0236800...@news.ccnet.com>,
rob...@ccnet.com says...
>
>In article <347889...@concentric.net>, bug...@concentric.net wrote:
>
>> rob...@ccnet.com wrote:
>> >
>> > I want a no hassel, no care type of rose for the planter on the west side
>> > of my house. Gets to the low 100's here.
>> >
>> > Little spraying..little feeding....
>> >
>> > Tips.....I am lazy....most of my gardening is containor.
>> >
>> > suggestions
>> >
>> > S F Bay Area
>> ******************************
>> You might want to go to a floral outlet and get yourself some plastic
>> roses. They don't take any watering or fertilizers and do well with
>> little care. Also, they are pest resistant so you don't have to spray
>> either.
>>
>> --
>> Baldo Villegas (Bugman), Entomologist/ARS Consulting Rosarian
>
>replied with some help.
>
>Consulting Rosarian.....you must be kidding.
***** Tut tut. Don't get your knickers in a knot. Baldo is just using a bit
of humor to let you know that you're not going to find anything very exciting
that meets your criteria. There are some roses that *will* grow with such
slack attention, but they are as boring as the plastic ones. You can probably
find varieties that will grow OK for you without sprays or much in the way of
pruning but you have to at least *feed* the poor things.
Dennis R. Moore
On Sun, 23 Nov 1997 09:38:27 -0800, rob...@ccnet.com wrote:
>I want a no hassel, no care type of rose for the planter on the west side
>of my house. Gets to the low 100's here.
>
>Little spraying..little feeding....
>
>Tips.....I am lazy....most of my gardening is containor.
>
>suggestions
>
>S F Bay Area
I am going to suggest Flower Carpet roses. Most rose enthusiasts are
pretty unenthusiastic about it but it is a wonderful landscape shrub.
Extremely floriferous, mine have never required spraying and in your
climate, should be evergreen. Use a time release fertilizer, keep 'em
watered and enjoy!
--
Dennis R. Moore (remove "nsp." from address to reply via e-mail)
Hmrankin
Alice, I love the way you phraze things. I don't know where our original
poster lived. Glad Baldo answered first. I was tempted to say the same thing.
Trying a serious approach to the poster's query, what miniatures would work
well for him? If he wanted a teenie weenie hazzle, maybe he could feed them
with Once. I am not really in a position to offer sugguestions as constant
temps is the low 100's is generally not the situation I face. Would any of the
Teas fit his bill?
Seeing the sun in 35 degree Michigan
Henry Rankin
Zone 5
Heather
Another fertilizer option is to amend the soil well when you plant, and
then put your fertilizer in your water. For me in Texas zone 7b,
watering my container roses is a daily event almost year-round--and when
it's really hot & dry, twice a day. I find, though, that paying daily
individual attention to my roses is personally rewarding--I hope you'll
find the same to be true. They give as good as they get.
william S. Hillman
In article <19971125050...@ladder02.news.aol.com>, pet...@aol.com
says...> An excellent suggestion - the two of them deserve each other.
>
Both seem like losers!!
Bill
ed_wilkinson
>of my house. Gets to the low 100's here.
>
>Little spraying..little feeding....
>
>Tips.....I am lazy....most of my gardening is containor.
>
>suggestions
>
>S F Bay Area
There's at least a couple hundred widely available varieties that will do
just fine in the SF Bay Area with no spraying whatsoever, nice ones too, but
you *will* have to water, fertilize, and do a little deadheading, etc. You
can get pretty good results with an automatic drip system and one feeding a
year of time-release fertilizer like Osmocote. If you don't want to hook up
with a local rose society (and it's fun--email me with your location and
I'll tell you where a couple meet), find a good nursery (locally owned, not
a big chain) that selects the varieties they carry for local conditions and
pick their brains. From the "low 100s" bit I'm guessing you're west of the
Caldecott Tunnell--I thought the roses Navelet's carried during their bareroot
season last year were pretty foolproof, new varieties very possibly excepted.
The number of roses that don't need spraying goes up exponentially if you're
inland enough to have warm nights in the summer, BTW, and you get extra points
if you're not growing them by turf that is watered with spray heads.
Best,
Ed Wilkinson
edwil...@juno.com
Alice Flores
In article <347A2918...@iphase.com>, hwh...@iphase.com says...
They give as good as they get.
***** Truth. Twooth. This is it. As good as you get!
PetRose
rob...@ccnet.com wrote in response to Bugman's reply:
"Your post took a real amount of thought and time. I am thankful others
replied with some help."
Yo smart guy - his post took a lot more thought and time than you put into
yours - it also took a lot more thought and time than you indicate you want to
spend on roses - so why bother? Plant mint, make a tea out of it and chill out.
PetRose
Dennis R. Moore
>In article <19971125050...@ladder02.news.aol.com>, pet...@aol.com
>says...
>> drm...@nsp.gte.net (Dennis R. Moore) wrote:
>>
>> "I am going to suggest Flower Carpet roses. "
>>
>> An excellent suggestion - the two of them deserve each other.
>>
>Both seem like losers!!
>
>Bill
Strong stuff from a man who spells his name with a small w.
william S. Hillman
In article <65en92$8da$1...@gte2.gte.net>, drm...@nsp.gte.net says...
> On Mon, 24 Nov 1997 21:42:54 -0800, whil...@mindspring.com (william
> S. Hillman) wrote:
>
> >In article <19971125050...@ladder02.news.aol.com>, pet...@aol.com
> >says...
> >> drm...@nsp.gte.net (Dennis R. Moore) wrote:
> >>
> >> "I am going to suggest Flower Carpet roses. "
> >>
> >> An excellent suggestion - the two of them deserve each other.
> >>
> >Both seem like losers!!
> >
> >Bill
>
> Strong stuff from a man who spells his name with a small w.
> --
about roses.
bill
Pat Walker
Is this rec.rose newsgroup a private club, or do you guys just enjoy
bashing anyone who is new, or not quite so committed or retired as you?
maybe you should post a warning on this newsgroup: don't ask stupid
questions, and don't disagree with us. Frankly, most of the posters
here aren't discussing roses so much as football, politics, and this is
like the third or fourth time in a month that someone has been flamed.
Should I stick to the rose forums if I want rose discussion?
I fully expect to be flamed now, since this seems to be par for the
course. "talk" with you soon!
__________________________________________
Pat Walker, usually to be found in my garden, when not roaming the net
for rose info.
One of my grandmother's rules:..if you can't say anything nice, don't
say anything else at all.
email: p...@ipos.ucsb.edu
__________________________________________
The Blue Rose
Just out of interest, who else has been flamed?
Stacey - can't remember any flames at all
Stacey Hill (note spambuster in my address if replying by e-mail)
"I think I have discovered the secret to Life,
you just hang around until you get used to it!"
sta...@xtra.co.nz
Dennis R. Moore
On Tue, 25 Nov 1997 07:56:43 -0800, whil...@mindspring.com (william
S. Hillman) wrote:
(snip)
>> >Both seem like losers!!
>> >
>> >Bill
>>
>> Strong stuff from a man who spells his name with a small w.
>> --
>That remark just shows you know about the same about computers as you know
>about roses.
>
>bill
billy:
Your grammar leaves a bit to be desired. If you mean to suggest that
I know little about roses, you are correct. All I know is about
growing them. I grow 1500 to 2000 of them each year from bare root.
I know even less about computers. I do know a little about human
nature though. I know enough to recognize that some of us have such
low self esteem that we find it necessary to wage personal attacks on
those whose sense of aesthetics do not agree one's own. I know enough
to recognize a snob and a boor by what he posts to this news group.
Dennis R. Moore
On Tue, 25 Nov 1997 12:20:17 -0800, Pat Walker <p...@ipos.ucsb.edu>
wrote:
Pat, I appreciate your grandmother's wisdom. My grandmother once
said: " There are no stupid questions... only stupid answers."
Mara
The Blue Rose wrote:
>
> Just out of interest, who else has been flamed?
>
> Stacey - can't remember any flames at all
Offhand I only remember one, the Desease Resistance thread, where some
poor soul who obviously doesn't grow roses as their hobby, was told to
pave over their yard instead of growing anything if they wanted easy
care stuff.
Its really easy for me to remember how it felt about 10 months ago when
I got my first rose. I was clueless. Little did I know that there were
people who live, breathe and eat roses as their lifestyle. Now I am
becoming one of those people, but I didn't forget what it was like to be
Joe Schmoe off the street who wants to know about a rose he got from the
florists, or the roses growing in his yard from the past owner, or wants
to see if there are roses that require no care but still will be
beautiful. So when I have the time and inclination, I try to answer the
clueless posts with enough knowledge to try to steer the clueless in the
right direction. This clueless could eventually be a potential
rosehound, like me <g>. Doesn't take much to get ya hooked, but being
flamed for being clueless sure isn't the ticket.
CHEVRON WITH TECHRON! That's the ticket!!
;) Mara
--
ma...@netmagic.net
"You wear sandals in the snow and a smile that won't wash away...
can you look out the window without your shadow gettin' in the way?"
The Gardening Haven - http://www.netmagic.net/~mara/garden
Mara's Secret Niche - http://www.netmagic.net/~mara
lms
In article <65hdkg$5do$1...@gte1.gte.net>, drm...@nsp.gte.net says...
>...My grandmother once
>said: " There are no stupid questions... only stupid answers."
>--
>Dennis R. Moore
your grandmother was wrong.
m, little m
>
william S. Hillman
In article <65hd9p$jn$1...@gte1.gte.net>, drm...@nsp.gte.net says...
> Dennis R. Moore (remove "nsp." from address to reply via e-mail)
>
Bill
Heather
Hi, Pat, and welcome. I'm glad to see you're not taking Grandma's
advice--we like spirited posts around here ;)
Just for the record, most of us aren't retired, but most of us are
committed (or should be . . . committed, that is ;)
We disagree with each other pretty frequently, that's how we get the
spirited posts :)
There may be a high number of "off-topic" discussions right now due to
the fact that it's the end of November and it's not rose season for a
fair number of people. But we're always up for rose discussion, of
course--what do you wanna talk about?
Brent Dickerson
Mara (ma...@netmagic.net) wrote:
: [ . . . ]
: Its really easy for me to remember how it felt about 10 months ago when
: I got my first rose. I was clueless. Little did I know that there were
: people who live, breathe and eat roses as their lifestyle. Now I am
: becoming one of those people, but I didn't forget what it was like to be
: Joe Schmoe off the street who wants to know about a rose he got from the
: florists, or the roses growing in his yard from the past owner, or wants
: to see if there are roses that require no care but still will be
: beautiful. So when I have the time and inclination, I try to answer the
: clueless posts with enough knowledge to try to steer the clueless in the
: right direction. This clueless could eventually be a potential
: rosehound, like me <g>. Doesn't take much to get ya hooked, but being
: flamed for being clueless sure isn't the ticket.
***We were all new once. It saddens me very profoundly when anyone eager
to dip his or her toe into the world of Roses is made to feel very sharply
as if he or she is an outsider; no potential devotee of such beauty should
be alienated. There are many roses which need only a minimum of care,
nothing more than any weekend gardener would afford any other plant in his
or her garden. To put someone off of these, and off of rose-culture in
general, by making that person feel as if Roses and Rose Growing were some
demanding, recondite cabala is a dis-service to both new person and roses
in general. I respect and admire the people who go to the greatest
efforts to secure outstanding rose blossoms for rose shows. They are
wonderful people, cajoling and coaxing the Queen of Flowers to her
greatest glories! But no less admirable are those who have stuck into the
ground near their back door their first, cheap, rose from the supermarket,
so that they may have a moment of beauty when they rush to and from work
every day; yes, these roses may be smaller and less frequent--the bush may
have touches of mildew and rust--the plant may only grow half the size it
might elsewhere--but, in the hearts of these people, that moment of beauty
is no less dear and uplifting than what the most devoted exhibitor feels
when his rose has won top prize at a national show. It is that heart-felt
love of the Rose which should bring us all together, as equals.
Best Wishes,
--BCD.
Web site: http://www.csulb.edu/~odinthor
Visit Vibert: http://www.csulb.edu/~odinthor/vibert.html
Rifle the Grab-Bag: http://www.csulb.edu/~odinthor/essay.html
"...[S]he confessed subsequently to Cottard that she found me remarkably
enthusiastic; he replied that I was too emotional, that I needed
sedatives, and ought to take to knitting." --Proust, *Cities of the
Plain*.
PattReck
Actually, the aol rose board has had worse problems for many months....
Suzanne
Pat wrote:
>> One of my grandmother's rules:..if you can't say anything nice, don't
>> say anything else at all.
***Well...um...uh, sounds like your grandmother was a right proper lady and all
that. But, if we all oooooozed saccharin everytime we said something, there
would be no point to this newsgroup, would there? A little nicey nice is just
fine and has it's place, but all the time? Forget it! And, if everyone agreed
with everyone else, what are we supposed to talk about? I don't like your
grandmothers rules!!!!!!
Suzanne
Pat Walker
Heather wrote:
>
> Hi, Pat, and welcome. I'm glad to see you're not taking Grandma's
> advice--we like spirited posts around here ;)
>
> There may be a high number of "off-topic" discussions right now due to
> the fact that it's the end of November and it's not rose season for a
> fair number of people. But we're always up for rose discussion, of
> course--what do you wanna talk about?
>
to a crawl; either everyone is tired of gardening, or their minds are
elsewhere. That's one reason why I have been visiting the newsgroup
more often. Unfortunately, I don't seem to get all the posts, and don't
get into the beginning of some topics.
Being from a warm area, I'm most interested in tea roses (since they are
so rarely grown, and I like the idea of preserving a (live) rose for
posterity), and single roses. Just got Brent's "Old Rose Advisor after
reading about it here, and am just stunned by the number of tea roses he
listed. But I'm not interested in sports, flames, insults, political
jokes, especially off color ones. I am enjoying the vast knowledge most
of the posters have and are willing to share. I;ve just been browsing
some other newsgroups, and boy, the flamers are everywhere. But there
seem to be a lot of really nice people sharing their hobbies. Thanks to
You, Brent & Mara for sticking up for newbies.
______________
Pat Walker, usually to be found in my garden, even in a thunderstorm.
The Blue Rose
odin...@csulb.edu (Brent Dickerson) wrote:
>Mara (ma...@netmagic.net) wrote:
>: [ . . . ]
Hey wow two great, thoughtful posts from Brent and Mara (my apologies
but my newreader won't post if there is more quoted text than reply,
so they got the old snip-snip)
I must say though, I did find Baldo's response amusing, and AFAI can
tell the original poster got a bit stroppy about then. This doesn't
help the cause on either side, of course. Perhaps the guy hadn't
lurked for a while and seen what a welcoming, informative, amusing AND
riotus group everyone here on rgr is.
*shrug* can't please everyone all of the time, but no day is a
complete waste if you learn something.
Stacey - the only *real* flames I remember are against a certain tree
guy.........
lms
In not this particular article <65hd9p$jn$1...@gte1.gte.net>, drm...@nsp.gte.net
says...
>>I am going to suggest Flower Carpet roses. ...
If snip this is good. snip
"carefree" snip "losers" synonomously with "abusers,"
snip. not to be taken too literally. snip As people know, as people
find out, it's like permanent ink, which isn't permanent unless it's
permanent, and that's something it ain't.
The Rose Industry Itself snip Carefree and Patio snip space snip shame.
snip name?
snip Carefree Wonder snip SusanK asking snip right:
http://www.nrao.edu/~mstephen/Cwnevdo.jpg
snip
Cl. Peace snip altitude.
snip my attitude snip even if snip photography. snip "carefree" as it gets.
snip hopelessly hooked on Rio Grande River nutrients, lotsa liquid fish snip
Nuclear waste, yeah, snip I care snip Carefree Nevada snip But I don't.
Carefree in a bucket???? Yeah, I agree with Blither, a hunnerd and ten
percent. What she said. That's right.
m, responding to oldnews, now newnews, outahand news:
>billy:
Denise, please explain what you do with the 1500 to 2000 roses you
"grow each year from bare root," because either
1) >Your grammar (actually usage) leaves a bit to be desired., or
2) you work at K-Mart and you're the poor slob who has to pot them up.
I have never ever heard anyone growing roses from bareroot.
They plant bareroot roses, that's what rosarians do. They grow them
from scratch, but they don't grow them from bareroot. sheesh.
> I do know a little about human
>nature though.
well, i'm (low self esteem) sure you do, you know when you think w's calling
you a loser, you should in kind call him billy. I think I've called him billy
before, no biggie, mr. original. but lemmetellyou this, o ignorant one: mr.
bill's, i think, seen just about every rose since jesus, and can tell you just
how bad yo's really is, cause he saw the first one, get used to it.
> I know enough to recognize that some of us have such
>low self esteem that we find it necessary to wage personal attacks on
>those whose sense of aesthetics do not agree one's own.
isn't that what we do???, laugh at other people's unholy aesthetics? what do
you do when you drive by a fence made out of landfill scraps??? samesame, no?
there is some idiot who made the fence, right??? so we launch a personal
attack on him, yeah???? and lemmetellyou another thing, buster, bill'll go
the full 15 rounds with you.
Pat Walker
you'd probably like my grandmother (if she were still alive) cause she
would rather till a field or work in the yard any day than clean her
house. I've taken that example to heart too. Had a Cecile Brunner
bush that she said had "Either been stepped on by the horse, and eaten
by the cow, or the other way around...she never could remember which".
Wonderful woman. I miss her much. She didn't mince words, but she was
one wonderful person, full of good common sense and advice that I badly
needed while growing up. I've always had a Cecile Brunner rose in her
honor since I've grown up.
___________
Pat Walker, usually found in her garden...just don't look in the room
corners.
Ted
lms wrote:
Tich tich...you'll never be a grandparent!!
Ted
lms
In article <347CD85B...@miningco.com>, T...@miningco.com threw out
a real puzzler with...
> Tich tich...you'll never be a grandparent!!
>
>Ted
you got that right!!
How many times did his grandmother have to tell him this? He says
once. I think she was just being nice, and furthermore, I think he took
her too literally. One more thing--obviously he didn't learn much
respect for his elders, he doesn't even know who he's talking to. !!!!!
Did Grandma teach him to belittle someone because they didn't hit the
shift key? Did she teach him to call SSCB billy, or a boor, or what
else was there?>???:?"?":???????? about self esteem, etc., etc.
Grandma's kind words, of reassurance, no doubt, somehow get lost in the
muck of hostility. He recommended a rose that he himself said people
thought sucked, then a couple people told him so--what the hell does he
expect???
and as for you statement, next thing you know, you'll be saying that
once your kid gets horny and knocks some babe up, you somehow acquire
deep wisdom that transcends logic, I don't buy that either. and i don't
want any partuv any grandma war, your grandbabies are beautiful, they
must be, I've seen your picture, you're beautiful, Ted.
m
Ted
lms wrote:
My grandma was always the peacemaker, suspect his was too. Know she'd
hug you for your kind comments. Hell, even I might.
Ted..blushing at the keyboard
william S. Hillman
In article <65j4tf$kpk$1...@newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu>, xte...@aoc.nrao.edu says...
> In article <347CD85B...@miningco.com>, T...@miningco.com threw out
> a real puzzler with...
>
> > Tich tich...you'll never be a grandparent!!
> >
> >Ted
>
> you got that right!!
> How many times did his grandmother have to tell him this? He says
> once. I think she was just being nice, and furthermore, I think he took
> her too literally. One more thing--obviously he didn't learn much
> respect for his elders, he doesn't even know who he's talking to. !!!!!
> Did Grandma teach him to belittle someone because they didn't hit the
> shift key? Did she teach him to call SSCB billy, or a boor, or what
> else was there?>???:?"?":???????? about self esteem, etc., etc.
> Grandma's kind words, of reassurance, no doubt, somehow get lost in the
> muck of hostility. He recommended a rose that he himself said people
> thought sucked, then a couple people told him so--what the hell does he
> expect???
>
> and as for you statement, next thing you know, you'll be saying that
> once your kid gets horny and knocks some babe up, you somehow acquire
> deep wisdom that transcends logic, I don't buy that either. and i don't
> want any partuv any grandma war, your grandbabies are beautiful, they
> must be, I've seen your picture, you're beautiful, Ted.
>
> m
>
>
source".
b
ejs...@hotmail.com
In article <65hlra$jqs$1...@newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu>,
xte...@aoc.nrao.edu (lms) wrote:
>
> In article <65hdkg$5do$1...@gte1.gte.net>, drm...@nsp.gte.net says...
>
> >...My grandmother once
> >said: " There are no stupid questions... only stupid answers."
> >--
> >Dennis R. Moore
>
> your grandmother was wrong.
>
> m, little m
The version I heard was "It's only a stupid question if you already know
the answer."
Erica (and her Evil Twin Snippy)
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KMiddle532
>
>you got that right!!
>How many times did his grandmother have to tell him this? He says
>once. I think she was just being nice, and furthermore, I think he took
>her too literally. One more thing--obviously he didn't learn much
>respect for his elders, he doesn't even know who he's talking to. !!!!!
>Did Grandma teach him to belittle someone because they didn't hit the
>shift key? Did she teach him to call SSCB billy, or a boor, or what
To all who have posted to this thread:
This Has Got To Be Some Of The Stupidest SHIT I've Ever Seen On The
Internet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
KM in NC
MidoriRose
>
>your grandmother was wrong.
>
>m, little m
>
"disappoint".
Ang
"My husband said if I buy one more rose he'll divorce me.....boy am I going to
miss him."
lms
In article <19971128015...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
kmidd...@aol.com says...
>
>To all who have posted to this thread:
to all who have posted to this thread and she includes my paragraph
of truth, I'm honored.
>This Has Got To Be Some Of The Stupidest SHIT I've Ever Seen On The
>Internet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>KM in NC
well you just ain't been around, I've seen much stupider shit plenty of
places.
Your thotful message, of course, includes you too, doesn't it?
And quoting Grandma's wisdom and acting otherwise go not together. No?
So just killfile me, filter me and all my attributes, see how that
works, you just *might* not have to see any more stupid shit.
m
lms
In article <19971128022...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
midor...@aol.com says...
>I'm not sure why, but you really surprise me Mr. Stephens or should I
>say "disappoint".
>Ang
>"My husband said if I buy one more rose he'll divorce me.....boy am I
going to
>miss him."
Only when you understand friendship can you truly understand insults to
friends. Applies here, applies there, you know where.
He said some things. He said some things. You've said some things.
Big deal, no 911 crisis, eh?
And you should say anything you want to say, always.
and see, I knew it: grandma wars.
The Dallas Cowboys disappointed me, what am I gonna do about it? What
are they going to do about it?
So go ahead, kick me when I'm down, football season is now over.
m stephenson, don't be misled
need proof?
stupid question:
If I jump out in front of a semi barreling down I-25, will I more than
likely be splattered all over the highway?
stupid answer:
no
thereffore, all kinds of possibilities. Stupid question, smart
answer. stupid question, stupid answer. Smart question, smart answer.
Smart question. Stupid answer. There's no way around it. Just ones
and zeroes. Has nothing to do with grandchildren or Cecile Brunner.
Suzanne
Mack wrote:
>and see, I knew it: grandma wars.
***better than mom wars, wouldn't you sey?
>The Dallas Cowboys disappointed me, what am I gonna do about it? What
>are they going to do about it?
***great game! Dallas Cowboys whipped by the Arkansas Oilers; always good to
see the better team win. What in the world was ole Emmit Smeeths problem?
Millions of dollars to play and he fakes a bellyache - probably too much turkey.
>So go ahead, kick me when I'm down, football season is now over.
***speaking of down, here I am in Paradise and have to go back to Hades in 2
days to try to RENT out our house while we rent a tiny house here. Will try to
put our house back on the market in April and hope it sells. Why are there no
jokes about realtors? I find them better bait than lawyers. All this renting
stuff is bad news for my roses! Dig 'em up in Hell, plant them in the Paradise
rental soil, then have to dig 'em up all over again when we can finally BUY a
house. I despise realtors, especially lazy, stooopid ones!!!!!
>m stephenson, don't be misled
>
>need proof?
***nope, it be you alright. Just wondering how much "proof" you had last night.
Must have had a very jolly dead turkey day.
Suzanne
william S. Hillman
In article <65m1l6$ss0$1...@newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu>, xte...@aoc.nrao.edu says...
> In article <19971128022...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
> midor...@aol.com says...
>
> >I'm not sure why, but you really surprise me Mr. Stephens or should I
> >say "disappoint".
> >Ang
> >"My husband said if I buy one more rose he'll divorce me.....boy am I
> going to
> >miss him."
>
> Only when you understand friendship can you truly understand insults to
> friends. Applies here, applies there, you know where.
> He said some things. He said some things. You've said some things.
> Big deal, no 911 crisis, eh?
> And you should say anything you want to say, always.
>
> are they going to do about it?
>
>
before!! The Pack is back!
b
lms
In article <65mmfn$q...@drn.zippo.com>, Suzanne says...
>***nope, it be you alright. Just wondering how much "proof" you had
last night.
>Must have had a very jolly dead turkey day.
nope. had a great ride. We go down to San Antonio and turn left,
then it's 60 miles of Grand Prix. So since there's no woses bloomin,
I thot I'd take the camera, take some pics along the way--you know,
those 80 mph snapshots, camera in one hand, wheel in the other, hey
it's cool, and the world hasn't been blessed with seeing these yet--
you know, like Trinity Site from one side, then the other, and other
weird stuff. So and this purple Jeep was right on my ass from right
outa San Antonio, he was blessed with a good front door--I got him
though, on this real narrow area where they're turning the Highway from
Hell into The Autobahn--we're talking rifle shot smooth sailin when they
get this finished, they're gettin there with US 380. So I pulled up on
some slow foreigner who didn't know the course, waited for the right
moment, got that guy and it took Mr. Purple miles to catch me. So I
slowed down to an even cruise after Carrizozo, didn't wanna ruin Barb's
dinner.--I can maybe see why riding shotgun might be a bit stressful,
yeah I unnerstand that. So things being peaceful 57 miles later, we had
just the grandest of Thanksgivings, just like we always do at Aunt
Jonnie Mae's down in High Rolls, New Mexico--God's Country, surely. Up
in the Sacramento Mountains behind Alamogordo. Mo mom's sister. She
has quite the rose garden, mof--gets cold up there. During the summer,
every Saturday, she sells roses along with her pies that people actually
flock to when she gets there, she's outathere by 8:30. Special orders,
no problem. She's 83 and wouldn't hesitate to climb up in her cherry
trees. Grows a few of my mom's roses, I dug em up for her back then.
This is kinda like a grandma story, but I'm just tellin ya, we had a
great time, only problem is, there's less and less of us every year.
When there's just two of us left, we'll still be doing it.
m
and then we got home, after a nice easy ride in the dark--afraid of
the deer!!!, and the hunters are out--let's change this to a hunting
thread, whaddya say???--and plenty of talk about everyone we saw.
Then I decided to read the news hahaha, Flower Carpet has caused quite
the stir.
Regina
In article <65mmfn$q...@drn.zippo.com>, Suzanne wrote:
>All this renting stuff is bad news for my roses! Dig 'em up in
>Hell, plant them in the Paradise rental soil, then have to dig
>'em up all over again when we can finally BUY a house. I despise
>realtors, especially lazy, stooopid ones!!!!!
You might consider leaving them in pots. You'd be amazed at how
well they can do that way, and if the rental is short term, there
is less trauma to the rooties.
sunshine bill has kept roses in pots for some fairly extended
periods as I recall, and had some great instructions some time
back.
Since you have very cold winters to deal with, protection is a
problem though. I wonder if the pots could be dropped right
into the ground. What do the cold climate people have to say
about this?
regina
digging on this little letter stuff
Kay Cangemi
In article <MPG.ee89747d...@news.mindspring.com>,
whil...@mindspring.com (william S. Hillman) wrote:
> In article <65m1l6$ss0$1...@newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu>, xte...@aoc.nrao.edu says...
> > The Dallas Cowboys disappointed me, what am I gonna do about it? What
> > are they going to do about it?
> > So go ahead, kick me when I'm down, football season is now over.
> >
> >
> Dallas is still hurting from the beating the Packers gave them the week
> before!! The Pack is back!
>
And now they'll be hurting from the beating the Oilers gave them.
Mack, I think you need to drop the Cowboys and become a Cardinal fan.
They're a lot closer. You could go to the games and wear a jersey from the
opposition - just like everybody else.
So who is the Cowboys new coach going to be? Lou Holtz? Dave Wannstedt?
George Seifert won't go anywhere his boat can't follow him.
--
Kay Cangemi
New York, USDA zone 5
Regina
In article <19971128015...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
kmidd...@aol.com wrote:
[lms wrote:]
>>you got that right!!
>>How many times did his grandmother have to tell him this? He says
>>once. I think she was just being nice, and furthermore, I think he took
>>her too literally. One more thing--obviously he didn't learn much
>>respect for his elders, he doesn't even know who he's talking to. !!!!!
>>Did Grandma teach him to belittle someone because they didn't hit the
>>shift key? Did she teach him to call SSCB billy, or a boor, or what
>
>To all who have posted to this thread:
>
>This Has Got To Be Some Of The Stupidest SHIT I've Ever Seen On The
>Internet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>KM in NC
Hey K Muddle - not even close.
Here's my nominee for the award:
=========================================================
Subject: Enough B.S. about race!
From: kmidd...@aol.com (KMiddle532)
Date: 1997/11/14
Message-ID: <19971114014...@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Newsgroups: nc.general
I've heard just about enough from all of you about "black this"
and "white that"and "jews this, or jews that", I don't like
ANYBODY, not even MYSELF!, so take all your superiority,
inferiority, silent majiority crap and pack it in your poop
chute!
If you realy want to hate someone, hate ME!, cause I HATE YOU!
KM in NC
=========================================================
Learn to use your delete key, and learn to killfile so you don't
need to trouble yourself with what you don't like.
Here's a hint: no firearms required for killfiling. It's a
simple process, though you may need a different ISP first.
--
Regina Reno, NV zone 6 elev 4500'
KMiddle532
>
>well you just ain't been around, I've seen much stupider shit plenty of
>places.
Attracted to stupid shit?
>
>Your thotful message, of course, includes you too, doesn't it?
>And quoting Grandma's wisdom and acting otherwise go not together. No?
Now that makes sense!
>?
>So just killfile me, filter me and all my attributes, see how that
>works, you just *might* not have to see any more stupid shit.
Like My Grandma always says "Fuck You, and anyone that looks like you!"
KM in NC
Brenda Johnson
KMiddle532 wrote:
>
<snip>
> Like My Grandma always says "**** (censored by me) You, and anyone that looks like you!"
> KM in NC
Does your momma know you got a mouth like that? Guess that describes
your problem. Hopefuly you have been smart enough not to reproduce. Now
go away, or apologize if you want to stay and discuss roses.
--
William Shakespeare. Othello.
... Patience, thou young and rose-lipp'd cherubin.
Brenda Johnson
Kay Cangemi wrote:
>
<prinue>
> So who is the Cowboys new coach going to be? Lou Holtz? Dave Wannstedt?
> George Seifert won't go anywhere his boat can't follow him.
Well, I don't know why Jerry Jones doesn't just do what he has always
wanted to do anyway and coach them hisself. Once they have *completely
and totally* owned the cellar for all of eternity, he might just sell
the team (a team owned by the city, like the Packers would be great.
Really *like* the Packers.) Nate Newton clinched it for me. Promoting
hisself as a "Family guy". On TV, the radio, etc. a lot. NOT. Piece of
trash is he.
AND Lord Barry. Guess what would have happened to any of us if WE had
have tried to get a handgun on board an airplane. Felony? Not if you're
a Dallas F-ball guy. Should have had to do his time in the slam like
anyone else. What other team has that level of arrogance AND gets away
with it? Don't expect angelic behavoir, but do expect them to behave
like they promote themselves. Yeah, they're losing. Don't have to be
religious to recognize the results of cause and effect. The 'ol "reap
what you sow" thing. Thinking about ethics might be productive for these
overpaid babies.
Of course, Elway's my guy. Love them Broncos. If you're around Dallas,
gotta have someone else to love. Yeah, I'm patient but not THAT
patient.
william S. Hillman
In article <347EFC...@flash.net>, bjo...@flash.net says...
> Kay Cangemi wrote:
> >
> <prinue>
> > So who is the Cowboys new coach going to be? Lou Holtz? Dave Wannstedt?
> > George Seifert won't go anywhere his boat can't follow him.
>
> Well, I don't know why Jerry Jones doesn't just do what he has always
> wanted to do anyway and coach them hisself. Once they have *completely
> and totally* owned the cellar for all of eternity, he might just sell
> the team (a team owned by the city, like the Packers would be great.
> Really *like* the Packers.) Nate Newton clinched it for me. Promoting
> hisself as a "Family guy". On TV, the radio, etc. a lot. NOT. Piece of
> trash is he.
waing line has not come up yet.!! Fans will their tickets and not much
chance of getting a season ticket.
Bill
FARHRZNS
In article <Cangemi-ya0230800...@news.zippo.com>,
Can...@ulster.net (Kay Cangemi) writes:
>So who is the Cowboys new coach going to be? Lou Holtz? Dave
>Wannstedt?
George Seifert won't go anywhere his boat can't follow him.
The Cowboys deserve Dave Wannstedt...anything to get him out of Chicago.
Paula Ballin
FARHRZNS
>Since you have very cold winters to deal with, protection is a
problem
>though. I wonder if the pots could be dropped right
into the ground. What
>do the cold climate people have to say
about this?
Nope, not a good idea...just unpot, wash them, bare root them, tie them in a
bundle and bury them. Bring 'em up in the spring, repot or plant in the
ground. No winter loss on the canes!!!
Paula Ballin
PetRose
midor...@aol.com (MidoriRose) wrote:
I'm not sure why, but you really surprise me Mr. Stephens or should I say
"disappoint""
One is normally "disappointed" when things don't turn out the way you expect so
I am not disappointed at Mack's response which was as I expected-an enjoyable
one. Now speaking of disappointment let us return to the original poster who
the record will show showed up on this NG and posted a badly written and poorly
spelled post requesting information on a rose for a planter to grow in San
Francisco where it isn't so easy to grow roses when you take care of them which
he did not want to do. So Baldo suggests tongue-in-cheek that he get some
plastic ones and then the guy throws out an attitude which not so much later
was followed by the "revelation" that he grows 1500 hybrid teas which has got
to make you wonder what the first post was about since if he does grow 1500 HTs
one might expect he should know more than the average newbie. Then this other
newbie jumps in with Emily Post book in hand and starts lecturing everyone
about treating newcomers nice. Come on folks - the original poster was trolling
for flame and was no more serious about getting an answer to his question than
Saddam was in inviting everyone to Thanksgiving in his palace. On the plus side
we got a very well written piece by Brent on treating people who grow roses
nicely with which I agree and a post from Nick LaRocca who uses capital letters
that accurately reports this to be a nice NG. And it is, which is why so many
of us have become friends. And it is also why there are many of us who do not
like its misuse by trolls and their groupies. And yes there are dumb questions
and there are dumb answers and there are ugly people and it doesn't takes a
village to teach you this.
PetRose
kmidd...@aol.com (KMiddle532) wrote:
[comment snipped]
And so another of the trolls surfaces - refer back to my earlier post on this
same subject. The whole business I repeat is a set up from some people with
nothing better to do than to come into newsgroups and attempt to turn them to
trash. I have noted the name and I suggest other regulars do as well since if
no further responses are made to the writer he might stroll off to some
alternative lifestyle group.
PetRose
Regina <Intr...@aol.com> wrote the facts. I love this girl. I was thinking
about asking her to do a little run on these trolls and am glad to see she can
read my mind.
william S. Hillman
bugman
Pat Walker wrote:
>
> Is this rec.rose newsgroup a private club, or do you guys just enjoy
> bashing anyone who is new, or not quite so committed or retired as you?
>
> maybe you should post a warning on this newsgroup: don't ask stupid
> questions, and don't disagree with us. Frankly, most of the posters
> here aren't discussing roses so much as football, politics, and this is
> like the third or fourth time in a month that someone has been flamed.
> Should I stick to the rose forums if I want rose discussion?
>
> I fully expect to be flamed now, since this seems to be par for the
> course. "talk" with you soon!
>
> __________________________________________
> Pat Walker, usually to be found in my garden, when not roaming the net
> for rose info.
>
> One of my grandmother's rules:..if you can't say anything nice, don't
> say anything else at all.
>
> email: p...@ipos.ucsb.edu
> __________________________________________
***************************
Pat:
I have only seen you post in the last week. Where have you been for the
last couple of years since some of us have been around in this
newsgroup? From the answers that you have given to some of the posts it
seems like you do know something about roses and we do appreciate your
contributions on sound rose culture. However, sometimes some newbies
write out their questions with very little to go by and in such a way
that one could write a book on the subject. Consequently one can't help
get a tongue-in-cheek responses like the one I gave to "robbert". Stick
around and you'll find out that we do give factual information on rose
culture as good as that which you have given in the last week. Also, by
sticking around and not being so critical of others you'll be able to
enjoy this newsgroup a lot more.
--
Baldo Villegas (Bugman), Entomologist/ARS Consulting Rosarian
Orangevale, California
Home Page: http://www.concentric.net/~bugman/
E-Mail: Bug...@Concentric.Net
Judy Pineda
In <65i41o$va1$1...@newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu> xte...@aoc.nrao.edu (lms)
writes:
>
>In not this particular article <65hd9p$jn$1...@gte1.gte.net>,
drm...@nsp.gte.net
>says...
>
>>>I am going to suggest Flower Carpet roses. ...
>
>If snip this is good. snip
>"carefree" snip "losers" synonomously with "abusers,"
>snip. not to be taken too literally. snip As people know, as people
>find out, it's like permanent ink, which isn't permanent unless it's
>permanent, and that's something it ain't.
>etc., etc., etc.
I'm wondering if you have tried growing a Flower Carpet rose, Mack? I
bought a pink one a couple of years ago and plunked it and some soil on
top of the remainder of a dead apricot tree that my husband had just
chopped down. I figured that I wanted to cover the stump, and couldn't
care less about what happened to it. That thing took off like
wildfire, even though it's roots were barely clinging to the bit of
soil that would stay put on top of the tree stump. It was always in
bloom, always providing a spot of color.
A hybrid tea it ain't, and overpriced it is, but it is a very vigorous,
floriferous, hardy rose, and makes a nice accent flower in
arrangements. Hey, on top of all of that, I even won a prize in a rose
show for it. Honest, Mack!! Of course, the fact that it was mid
summer in a scorching hot and dry summer and there were almost no other
roses in that category doesn't count, does it ; )
Anyway, I was really happy with my one Flower Carpet, and when I get my
new house, if I have an appropriate spot like a tree stump, I would
certainly consider getting another one.
Judy
Margo Thom
Hmrankin wrote:
>
> Hmmm---Have you ever visited the Airdales for Elvis site ?
>
> Henry Rankin
>
> Zone 5
Okay, you got me. I checked out this alleged site and got nada. It
just sounded too good.
Margo
--
The Old Lady of Old Roses
Port Alberni, B.C., Can. -- (Zone 8)
http://www.alberni.net/mathom
lms
In article <65pj1m$a...@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com>, mjpi...@ix.netcom.co
says...
>
>In <65i41o$va1$1...@newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu> xte...@aoc.nrao.edu (lms)
>writes:
>>
>>In not this particular article <65hd9p$jn$1...@gte1.gte.net>,
>drm...@nsp.gte.net
>>says...
>>
>>>>I am going to suggest Flower Carpet roses. ...
>>
>>If snip this is good. snip
I was trying to do a lot of condensing there Judy, what I was
trying to say was that if Flower Carpet does well, makes
someone happy, more power to em. I was attempting to
suggest Carefree Wonder, and all its Carefree Cousins, as well, when
something happened. The original poster said that he grew mostly
container plants, you have to assume they're alive. And he did say not
a lot of spraying, and he did say not a lot of feeding,
presumably das meint he will feed it some, and spray, god forbid,
if necessary, sometimes, maybe. Of course my Carefree rose is just
that, gets its liquid fish from the Rio Grande. Don't know how
well it would do enslaved in a pot.
>>"carefree" snip "losers" synonomously with "abusers,"
>>snip. not to be taken too literally. snip As people know, as people
>>find out, it's like permanent ink, which isn't permanent unless it's
>>permanent, and that's something it ain't.
>>etc., etc., etc.
>
>I'm wondering if you have tried growing a Flower Carpet rose, Mack?
No I haven't and I wouldn't knock it. My point was only that
you can't take the term carefree too literally, and serious rosarians,
as witnessed, take some exception to the term, whether or not
it's true for some people. They associate the term carefree, and
anybody who'd want
or consider one, with laziness and abuse, which isn't necessarily the
case. Sometimes, as has been said, someone might word something in
such a way so as to invite criticism, such as immediately transpired.
The person who recommending Flower Carpet admitted some skepticism
among some rosarians regarding this rose, then I noticed a couple people
say, yeah, that rose sucks. bad. But Judy, believe me--I don't even
accept those words as gospel. Like if I had any interest in that
rose, I really wouldn't care what this or that person said. At the
same time, you can't really ignore their experiences. It's a crapshoot,
as always.
You say it's a nice rose. I believe you, positively. I mean, you see
a little pretty rose, who can deny it?
m
the other day I was at the hardware store, they were selling
bansai plants. There in this thimble sized pot was a little rose,
was blooming. I almost rescued it, but I thot, neh, I ain't buying
into this bansai rose stuff, it would just help perpetuate beliefs
that roses are something they're not. bugs me that they do that.
I mean, the regular thwoaways are bad enuf--what they do to them...
lms
In article <19971129040...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
farh...@aol.com says...
>The Cowboys deserve Dave Wannstedt...anything to get him out of
Chicago.
>
>Paula Ballin
Hey Paula, I guess you know, when the big exodus came, the smart
one ended up in Washington, he's the one the Cowboys miss.
Dave Wannstedt was a deeeeefensive guy, not much of a threat ever.
Traitors.
I've begun to write this post a number of times, but every time I
turn around, there's another deserving addressee. This is the
way I see it:
1. Leon Lett wasn't there. There would have been no Levins, no
Hearst, nor any other of the same ilk had he been there. But of
course it's ok for Brent Favor to be addicted to synthetic morphine
for a couple years--where'd he get it???--and yet the Nosepickers
and the Nosepicker fans and The League conveeeeeniently ignore this.
He probably does milk commercials in Green Bay.
2. Michael Irvin missed the first five games.
2a. Nate, was it, he shouldna been there either.
3. Dallas lost the best tight end in football, unquestionably the best.
4. Emmitt's been hurtin since day one.
5. Barry should have remembered where he put his gun.
6. Dallas got screwed a bunch of times. I'm a witness.
7. I agree, Jones should keep his ass up in his box.
7. Dallas will be back, and quickly, and old Buuuuucky up in Denver
will end his career in the same way as Jim Kelly did, as one who could
just never get to the mountaintop. Pretty boy.
8. Lou Holtz bites, and any of the niner castoffs would make me gag.
Barry's perfectly ok by me, but if anyone could replace him, it'd be
Jimmy. Barry has a ring, though, Barry's still cool. Never can tell
though, the dude from Washington might be back. He's got a ring too.
9. 10 months isn't really such a long time.
10. I kinda like Washington now. Hate New York. Hate Arizona worse.
Have hated Philadelphia ever since time began. And all the rest suck,
they can't possibly win.
11. We should get some pretty good draft picks.
12. Dallas, next year, will still have the best talent in football.
13. Shit happens.
m
Judy Pineda
In <65psfj$oc0$1...@newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu> xte...@aoc.nrao.edu (lms)
writes:
>I was trying to do a lot of condensing there Judy, what I was
>trying to say was that if Flower Carpet does well, makes
>someone happy, more power to em. I was attempting to
>suggest Carefree Wonder, and all its Carefree Cousins, as well, when
>something happened.
Yeah, I tried Carefree Delight, but soon discovered that the spot I had
it in was too small for its growth pattern. I pulled it out and gave
it to Donna. I like Carefree Wonder -- always catches my eye when I'm
in a public garden. Seems to always be full of blooms.
>The person who recommending Flower Carpet admitted some skepticism
>among some rosarians regarding this rose, then I noticed a couple
people
>say, yeah, that rose sucks. bad.
And of course, it does suck, if you're looking for hybrid tea type
form, which is definately my very own preference. It was sort of a
whim that I tried it at all, and was embarassed for the first season or
so that I even did try it out, but then the darn thing just kinda crept
its way into my heart, since it had healthy foliage and was just always
in bloom, and surviving on the slightest bit of soil. It's definately
a survivor. But as I said, when I get my new house, it will not be the
first rose I plant by any means. It will take another unusual
circumstance for my to buy it, but as shrub/landscape roses go, it's a
good one.
But Judy, believe me--I don't even
>accept those words as gospel.
Heck Mack, I knew that. I witnessed the Red Minimo battle, remember!
... There in this thimble sized pot was a little rose,
>was blooming. I almost rescued it, but I thot, neh, I ain't buying
>into this bansai rose stuff, it would just help perpetuate beliefs
>that roses are something they're not.
Now, Bill might just think that there's no difference between Red
Minimo and a little bonsai rose ; )
Judy
william S. Hillman
In article <65r4qh$9...@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com>, mjpi...@ix.netcom.com
says...
would need a magnifying glass to see the blooms!!
Bill
Regina
In article <19971129044...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
pet...@aol.com wrote:
Pet, I'd give you a *bigwetjuicykiss* but I think The Blue Rose has
already taken that one 'bout as far as it can be taken - or perhaps
a bit farther. ;-)
Go Stacey!
MidoriRose
Petrose wrote:
>Come on folks - the original poster was trolling
>for flame and was no more serious about getting an answer to his question
>than
>Saddam was in inviting everyone to Thanksgiving in his palace.
I have to disagree, why would you think that someone coming into this newsgroup
understands "how to say" things, "when" to say things, etc. I'm just asking
for a little kindness, decency, whatever you want to label it....ask yourself,
would you speak to someone like this in person? I doubt it, so why do it on the
"internet" where you convince yourself that you can "escape" from good
manners.....
Regina
In article <19971201015...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
midor...@aol.com (Miss Manners) wrote:
>Petrose wrote:
>
>>Come on folks - the original poster was trolling for flame and
>>was no more serious about getting an answer to his question than
>>Saddam was in inviting everyone to Thanksgiving in his palace.
>
>I have to disagree, why would you think that someone coming into
>this newsgroup understands "how to say" things, "when" to say
>things, etc. I'm just asking for a little kindness, decency,
>whatever you want to label it....ask yourself, would you speak
>to someone like this in person? I doubt it, so why do it on the
>"internet" where you convince yourself that you can "escape"
>from good manners.....
Ok - let's back up here.
rob...@ccnet.com posted the following:
=========================================
>I want a no hassel, no care type of rose for the planter on
>the west side of my house. Gets to the low 100's here.
>
>Little spraying..little feeding....
>
>Tips.....I am lazy....most of my gardening is containor.
>
>suggestions
>
>S F Bay Area
=========================================
So on a group populated by avid rosarians who respect and
care for their plants, this guy comes in saying how lazy he
is. Indeed he is too lazy to even speak in sentences. I'm
convinced - he is lazy.
So Baldo very appropriately replies:
=========================================
>You might want to go to a floral outlet and get yourself some
>plastic roses. They don't take any watering or fertilizers and
>do well with little care. Also, they are pest resistant so you
>don't have to spray either.
=========================================
Perfectly appropriate, polite, and above all *funny*.
Then rob...@ccnet.com comes back with this:
=========================================
>Your post took a real amount of thought and time. I am
>thankful others replied with some help.
>
>Consulting Rosarian.....you must be kidding.
=========================================
Hmmm. Seems to me if anyone is edging into rudeness, it is
Mr. Lazy himself.
As Heather said in another post on this thread,
referring to roses:
>They give as good as they get.
The same can be said about free advice. No one here got
anything other than what they asked for.
If Mr. Lazy is not a troll, he certainly smells a lot like one.
Hmrankin
Here in Grand Rapids Michigan Flower Carpet does not seem to overwinter very
well when compared to some other less advertised choices for ground cover type
of roses. What do others in Zone 5 think?
This opinion is based on seeing some tweny odd garden examples and doesa not
reflect my personal experience with the rose because I haven't grown it.
Henry Rankin
Zone 5
Dennis R. Moore
On 26 Nov 1997 17:21:46 GMT, xte...@aoc.nrao.edu (lms) wrote:
>In article <65hdkg$5do$1...@gte1.gte.net>, drm...@nsp.gte.net says...
>
>>...My grandmother once
>>said: " There are no stupid questions... only stupid answers."
>>--
>>Dennis R. Moore
>
>your grandmother was wrong.
>
>m, little m
>
>
>
>
>
>>
This, however is rather disappointing. You are capable of so much
more.
--
Dennis R. Moore (remove "nsp." from address to reply via e-mail)
Dennis R. Moore
On 26 Nov 1997 21:24:08 GMT, xte...@aoc.nrao.edu (lms) wrote:
>In not this particular article <65hd9p$jn$1...@gte1.gte.net>, drm...@nsp.gte.net
>says...
>
>>>I am going to suggest Flower Carpet roses. ...
>
>If snip this is good. snip
>"carefree" snip "losers" synonomously with "abusers,"
>snip. not to be taken too literally. snip As people know, as people
>find out, it's like permanent ink, which isn't permanent unless it's
>permanent, and that's something it ain't.
>
>The Rose Industry Itself snip Carefree and Patio snip space snip shame.
>snip name?
>
>snip Carefree Wonder snip SusanK asking snip right:
>http://www.nrao.edu/~mstephen/Cwnevdo.jpg
>snip
>Cl. Peace snip altitude.
>
>snip my attitude snip even if snip photography. snip "carefree" as it gets.
>snip hopelessly hooked on Rio Grande River nutrients, lotsa liquid fish snip
>Nuclear waste, yeah, snip I care snip Carefree Nevada snip But I don't.
>
>Carefree in a bucket???? Yeah, I agree with Blither, a hunnerd and ten
>percent. What she said. That's right.
>
>m, responding to oldnews, now newnews, outahand news:
>
>>billy:
>
>Denise, please explain what you do with the 1500 to 2000 roses you
>"grow each year from bare root," because either
>1) >Your grammar (actually usage) leaves a bit to be desired., or
>2) you work at K-Mart and you're the poor slob who has to pot them up.
>I have never ever heard anyone growing roses from bareroot.
>They plant bareroot roses, that's what rosarians do. They grow them
>from scratch, but they don't grow them from bareroot. sheesh.
>
>> I do know a little about human
>>nature though.
>
>well, i'm (low self esteem) sure you do, you know when you think w's calling
>you a loser, you should in kind call him billy. I think I've called him billy
>before, no biggie, mr. original. but lemmetellyou this, o ignorant one: mr.
>bill's, i think, seen just about every rose since jesus, and can tell you just
>how bad yo's really is, cause he saw the first one, get used to it.
>
>> I know enough to recognize that some of us have such
>>low self esteem that we find it necessary to wage personal attacks on
>>those whose sense of aesthetics do not agree one's own.
>
>isn't that what we do???, laugh at other people's unholy aesthetics? what do
>you do when you drive by a fence made out of landfill scraps??? samesame, no?
>there is some idiot who made the fence, right??? so we launch a personal
>attack on him, yeah???? and lemmetellyou another thing, buster, bill'll go
>the full 15 rounds with you.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
I had a feeling you might pipe in. Truthfully, I rather hoped you
would. Some of yours are among the most entertaining posts to rgr,
but this... THIS is... is... EPIC!
Heather
Brenda Johnson wrote:
>
> AND Lord Barry. Guess what would have happened to any of us if WE had
> have tried to get a handgun on board an airplane. Felony? Not if you're
> a Dallas F-ball guy. Should have had to do his time in the slam like
> anyone else. What other team has that level of arrogance AND gets away
> with it? Don't expect angelic behavoir, but do expect them to behave
> like they promote themselves. Yeah, they're losing. Don't have to be
> religious to recognize the results of cause and effect. The 'ol "reap
> what you sow" thing. Thinking about ethics might be productive for these
> overpaid babies.
I thought this incident interesting for what it revealed about Barry's
intelligence. Worried because children are wandering in the vicinity of
a loaded gun? Just stick it in a duffle bag, yeah, nice safe place for
it, absolutely. If I were the type to have loaded guns instead of coffee
table books lyin' around, hey that mighta been my first "thought" too.
Heather
Brent Dickerson wrote:
>
> ***We were all new once. It saddens me very profoundly when anyone eager
> to dip his or her toe into the world of Roses is made to feel very sharply
> as if he or she is an outsider; no potential devotee of such beauty should
> be alienated. There are many roses which need only a minimum of care,
> nothing more than any weekend gardener would afford any other plant in his
> or her garden. To put someone off of these, and off of rose-culture in
> general, by making that person feel as if Roses and Rose Growing were some
> demanding, recondite cabala is a dis-service to both new person and roses
> in general. I respect and admire the people who go to the greatest
> efforts to secure outstanding rose blossoms for rose shows. They are
> wonderful people, cajoling and coaxing the Queen of Flowers to her
> greatest glories! But no less admirable are those who have stuck into the
> ground near their back door their first, cheap, rose from the supermarket,
> so that they may have a moment of beauty when they rush to and from work
> every day; yes, these roses may be smaller and less frequent--the bush may
> have touches of mildew and rust--the plant may only grow half the size it
> might elsewhere--but, in the hearts of these people, that moment of beauty
> is no less dear and uplifting than what the most devoted exhibitor feels
> when his rose has won top prize at a national show. It is that heart-felt
> love of the Rose which should bring us all together, as equals.
Brent, this was lovely. I couldn't agree more.
helg...@gold.tc.umn.edu
I grow it in MN Zone 4 and agree with you 100%. All that I can say for
it is that there may be some sites where it would be useful. However, I
do have other "ground cover" roses that perform better and have less
dieback.
Lois Ann Helgeson
Regina
In article <19971202055...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
midor...@aol.com wrote:
>>If Mr. Lazy is not a troll, he certainly smells a lot like one.
>>--
>>Regina
>
>Yes Regina, that's your favorite word isn't it......you must like to
>label people a troll so they don't have to time to realize that YOU
>are the true "troll"........
So tell me - relative to a jackal - is that a promotion or a demotion?
Mara
MidoriRose wrote:
>
> >
> >If Mr. Lazy is not a troll, he certainly smells a lot like one.
> >--
> >Regina
Mr. Lazy wasnt a troll, he was just someone who wanted to grow roses
like the ones he sees on the freeways here in CA. Like many of the
normal population out there, he wants a rose that he doesnt have to do
much to. Personally I wouldnt mind spending some of the time I spend
picking off bugs actually smelling the roses and enjoying them instead.
Life is short and while I'll still pick the bugs off and spray, I'd
rather be taking that time to do something else and still be able to
enjoy an armful of beautiful roses. I don't have lots o' time to be
babying my roses, but I do it anyways cuz I'm sick like that. Betcha my
better half would rather I spend that time cleaning the house (NOT!).
I emailed Mr. Lazy after all the hullabaloo started to see if I could
actually HELP him get his question answered. He told me in great detail
what he was looking for. I told him what I thought. I hope it helped in
some way.
No I wouldn't say that Mr. Lazy is a troll...now Mr. FuckYou..thats a
troll..yup.
Mara ;)
--
ma...@netmagic.net
"Into the sea of waking dreams, I follow without pride..cause nothing
stands between us here, and I won't be denied.."
The Gardening Haven - http://www.netmagic.net/~mara/garden
Mara's Secret Niche - http://www.netmagic.net/~mara
Lyn Little
> >>The person who recommending Flower Carpet admitted some skepticism
> >>among some rosarians regarding this rose, then I noticed a couple
> >people
> >>say, yeah, that rose sucks. bad.
So just what is wrong with Flower Carpet? Several people have said it
wouldn't be their first choice if they were starting over again. Why?
Is it just that you don't like the flowers? Is it harder to look
after than the ads say? Not as prolific as you expected?
It's only in the past year that I bought an established house with
roses, instead of my all-native garden. I've grown rather fond of
my roses, but now that they are getting black spot again I can't help
but be interested in hardier varieties. I'm interested in roses that
look good in the garden, rather than perfect blooms to pick for a
show (OK, just a few for the vases I've suddenly started collecting :-)
I loved the idea someone suggested of growing it in a tree stump -
I have the perfect place, and it's currently got a really boring
plant/weed in it.
MidoriRose
>
>If Mr. Lazy is not a troll, he certainly smells a lot like one.
>--
>Regina
Yes Regina, that's your favorite word isn't it......you must like to label
people a troll so they don't have to time to realize that YOU are the true
"troll"........
>Regina Reno, NV zone 6 elev 4500'
Actually your elevation is more like sub zero......no class.....
Judy Pineda
In <34837C...@anu.edu.au> Lyn Little <Lyn.L...@anu.edu.au>
writes:
>> >>The person who recommending Flower Carpet admitted some skepticism
>> >>among some rosarians regarding this rose, then I noticed a couple
>> >people
>> >>say, yeah, that rose sucks. bad.
>
>So just what is wrong with Flower Carpet? Several people have said it
>wouldn't be their first choice if they were starting over again. Why?
>Is it just that you don't like the flowers? Is it harder to look
>after than the ads say? Not as prolific as you expected?
I liked the flowers as flowers, but not that much as roses (humm, does
that make sense?). It is easy to care for and very prolific. It
wouldn't be my first or anywhere near my first choice because I like
roses that look like roses, and since there are so many spectacular
roses, I wouldn't want to use precious garden space for a rose that I
don't absolutely love.
>
...
>
>I loved the idea someone suggested of growing it in a tree stump -
>I have the perfect place, and it's currently got a really boring
>plant/weed in it.
>
That's where I had mine, and it thrived beautifully. It's a gutsy
plant, and does very well in the San Francisco Bay Area weather, but
from the posts I've read from folks who live in areas that have severe
winter weather, it isn't the best choice for a landscape rose there.
Judy
william S. Hillman
In article <3483B8...@netmagic.net>, ma...@netmagic.net says...
> MidoriRose wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >If Mr. Lazy is not a troll, he certainly smells a lot like one.
> > >--
> > >Regina
>
use.
Bill
Dennis R. Moore
On Tue, 02 Dec 1997 14:12:41 +1100, Lyn Little <Lyn.L...@anu.edu.au>
wrote:
>
>So just what is wrong with Flower Carpet? Several people have said it
>wouldn't be their first choice if they were starting over again. Why?
>Is it just that you don't like the flowers? Is it harder to look
>after than the ads say? Not as prolific as you expected?
>
>It's only in the past year that I bought an established house with
>roses, instead of my all-native garden. I've grown rather fond of
>my roses, but now that they are getting black spot again I can't help
>but be interested in hardier varieties. I'm interested in roses that
>look good in the garden, rather than perfect blooms to pick for a
>show (OK, just a few for the vases I've suddenly started collecting :-)
>
>I loved the idea someone suggested of growing it in a tree stump -
>I have the perfect place, and it's currently got a really boring
>plant/weed in it.
>
I was very skeptical when I started seeing the hype for this rose well
over a year before it's release to the public in the U.S.A. After
receiving my first shipment, I conducted an informal mini trial,
planting them in sun, shade, in containers, in the ground, poor soil,
good soil. I never spray, fertilize once each year with time release
fertilizer and whack at 'em with a hedge shear once or twice a year.
They all do very well. They offer glossy, bright green foliage and
bloom their little hearts out from late spring to late fall. (Those in
the shade do not bloom nearly as well as those in the sun.) I have yet
to find any evidence of disease. The aphids come and go without any
visible effect. The one given a very favorable location is nearly
evergreen in it's USDA Zone 8 location.
I have specified the pink Flower Carpet in several landscape designs.
I present it as a landscape shrub rather than as a rose bush. I've had
a couple of clients tell me that they love it. Others offer no
comment. IMHO, there are certainly better choices for those looking
for outstanding flower form, color, fragrance and vase life but if
your priority is low maintenance, this rose may be a good choice.
lms
In article <MPG.eedeec24...@news.mindspring.com>,
I-No...@mindspring.com says...
>Rose along the freeways in California ??? Never seen any on the
freeways we
>use.
>
>Bill
you know, that's a gfi if I ever heard one. Watch for one, that'll
be the first sign of Mack when you come to Socorro. I guarantee it.
m
somebody'll steal it
and of course, I'm writing this from the floor, Bill did it again.
>
zuni
>In article <MPG.eedeec24...@news.mindspring.com>,
>I-No...@mindspring.com says...
>
>>Rose along the freeways in California ??? Never seen any on the
>freeways we
>>use.
>>
>>Bill
Check out 280 and Highway 1 south of SF and north of Half Moon Bay.
If it's the right time of year you should see American Pillar and three
different colors of Dorothy Perkins, not to mention some sort of pale
yellow rambler that is not Gardenia. Oh, yeah, also Cecile Brunner-
bush and climber, Felicite et Perpetue, Little White Pet, De La Grifferaie/
Russeliana. there are more. ask me again in the spring.
Deborah
william S. Hillman
In article <661tig$f...@drn.zippo.com>, zuni says...
many times last spring and summer but maybe not that far north. If you are
ever down our way take a drive down Huntington Drive in San Marino and the
see the roses on the center divider. Almost each intersection has a well
kept, well fed and well watered beds of roses.
Bill
ed_wilkinson
In article <MPG.eedeec24...@news.mindspring.com>,
whil...@mindspring.com says...
>use.
>
>Bill
It's true, lots of them in San Jose and in divider strips on surface
roads in Walnut Creek, also here and there elsewhere. Meillands hired
rosarian David Gilad to represent them to CalTrans and municipalities; he
had a presentation about
using the groundcover line for minimum-maintenance plantings--he gave it to
the East Bay Rose Society once. Had photos of a big planting being "pruned"
by being cut to the ground with a brush cutter pulled behind a tractor, then
three months later they're baaaack, full bloom and thick cover. Must have
had some success with the highway departments. They're
selling these by the zillions in Europe, all the other firms are going nuts
cranking them out as well. The ones we have in the Oakland Rose Garden do
behave very well, as do competing varieties from J&P and Poulsen/Devor/Young's
and the Flower Carpets. Good for big splashes of color in the background--
members of the chorus, not stars of the show. Blooms are about on a par with
the old ramblers, but brighter and clearer colors.
PetRose
whil...@mindspring.com (william S. Hillman) wrote:
"Rose along the freeways in California ??? Never seen any on the freeways we
use."
No kidding Bill - I was a walking in Petaluma some time past over the 101
freeway at Washington Blvd. and by gum there was planted a bazillion ground
cover roses - along the freeway, and the on and off ramp. I scrambled down
there to examine them and my best guess is that they are White Meidiland and a
red Meidiland of some sort which is just a guess 'cause there wasn't that much
bloom and no tags or nothing. An interesting site and I could but wonder how
that came about.
Brom
>use.
>
Howzabout roses in vineyards, seen them? – A bush at the end of every row. I
was feeling a kinship with one supposed rose loving winemaker, when I witnessed
this. This was BEFORE he told me the roses were there to detect disease. Roses,
he said, share many diseases in common with grapevines, but catch them earlier.
Coal miners’ canaries he said. :-(
Brom
Nick LaRocca
Brom <bre...@ihug.co.nz> wrote in article <663ci5$c...@drn.zippo.com>...
Very interesting. I wonder if this has anything to do with insects as
well. Both grapes and roses are susceptible to many of the same insects,
so if insect damage is seen on the roses, the grower knows it's time to
get out and spray the vines.
--
Nick - NJ - Zone 7a
ANTI-SPAM: Please remove '*' from email address
"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler"
- Albert Einstein
Nick LaRocca
PetRose <pet...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19971203073...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
> whil...@mindspring.com (william S. Hillman) wrote:
>
> "Rose along the freeways in California ??? Never seen any on the
freeways we
> use."
>
> No kidding Bill - I was a walking in Petaluma some time past over the 101
> freeway at Washington Blvd. and by gum there was planted a bazillion
ground
> cover roses - along the freeway, and the on and off ramp. I scrambled
down
> there to examine them and my best guess is that they are White Meidiland
and a
> red Meidiland of some sort which is just a guess 'cause there wasn't that
much
> bloom and no tags or nothing. An interesting site and I could but wonder
how
> that came about.
>
Here in the East, the much (justly) maligned multiflora rose was commonly
used on both roadsides and medians until it was banned. But many of the
older or less maintained highways (freeways to the left-coasters) still
have them and they make a spectacular, fragrant display in the spring.
I doubt any maintenance is done to them except to mow them with a
brushcutter.
PetRose
"Nick LaRocca" <poly_math@*hotmail.com> wrote:
"Very interesting. I wonder if this has anything to do with insects as
well. Both grapes and roses are susceptible to many of the same insects,
so if insect damage is seen on the roses, the grower knows it's time to
get out and spray the vines."
I am doubtful with respect to insects. We had a French Vineyard owner/winemaker
stay with us once and he showed us pictures of his vineyards in Beaune where
the roses bushes were at the end of each row. Although some things were no
doubt lost in the translation of our discussion I had the strong impression
that the main reason was for the detection of powdery mildew - when the roses
got it he sprayed the vineyards with sulfur.
FARHRZNS
In article <19971204032...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, pet...@aol.com
(PetRose) writes:
> am doubtful with respect to insects. We had a French Vineyard
>owner/winemaker
stay with us once and he showed us pictures of his vineyards
>in Beaune where
the roses bushes were at the end of each row. Although some
>things were no
doubt lost in the translation of our discussion I had the
>strong impression
that the main reason was for the detection of powdery
>mildew - when the roses
got it he sprayed the vineyards with sulfur.
Several years ago, Don and I took an extended trip of Napa and Sonoma...well,
not extended enough. Must have missed at least half of the wineries, and only
tasted in about 1/3. Fond memories of spaced out, fuzzy days. Anyway, Pet you
are absolutely right. Mildew is the reason why there are rose bushes at the
end of each row of vines. Much has changed in wine making (no more feet in the
barrels) but the rose bush at the end of the row is still the preferred method
of detecting a disease that can devastate the grapes. What could be better
than wine and roses?
Paula Ballin
Dave Amorde
What's better than wine and roses?
Add some Amore!
Suzanne
Dave Amorde wrote:
>What's better than wine and roses?
>>Add some Amore!
You mean drop the "D" and we've got you?
Well, whatcha look like?
Suzanne
helg...@gold.tc.umn.edu
I agree too! One of my favorite stories that I add when going out to spread the word on
rose growing is the one about my first dozen roses being those plastic bagged types from
a discount store clearance. I also add that at least one of those HT varieties was
still growing strong over 20 years later here in MN zone 4 - long after my buying
habits were "upgraded." We need to show acceptance of the full range of rose lovers -
and give people the help and room that they need to grow into the hobby to the extent
that is right for them.
Lois Ann Helgeson
helg...@tc.umn.edu
Heather wrote:
>
> Brent Dickerson wrote:
> >
> > ***We were all new once. But no less admirable are those who have stuck into the
> > ground near their back door their first, cheap, rose from the supermarket,
Joel Mattox
In article <19971204132...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
farh...@aol.com says...
> than wine and roses?
>
> Paula Ballin
>
Hi Paula,
I wonder if part of the reason to plant roses may be to check for
Botrytis?
Not sure if it's the same disease on grapes as it is on roses, but our
dreaded Botrytis shares the same name as a fungal condition responsible
for some pretty tasty late harvest wines. If I recall correctly,
Botrytis (aka "Noble Rot" in English and I think "Edelfauele" auf Deutsch
and I definitely don't know the French) makes Tokay, Trokenbeerenauslese,
Late Harvest, etc. wines possible by making the grape berry capable of
losing water while retaining flavor and sugar. Makes a more intense,
sweet wine. The risk is, keeping the berries on hoping for the effect
lengthens the time the harvest is at risk to the weather. Maybe the
roses give some idea if Botrytis is present and how far along it might
be?
What could be better than wine and roses? Maybe a VRS get-together with
wine and roses! Hic! :)
--
Joel Mattox
Saratoga, CA
USDA Zone 9
"My advice reflects my rose experiences in Northern California.
Your milage may vary."
".x added in reply address to thwart autospammers: please
remove if replying via email."
Brenda Johnson
<Chuckle, oh you kid>...clearing throat...Key of G...When the moon fills
the sky like a big pizza pie, that's Amorde.
--
" Love is much like a wild rose, beautiful and calm, but willing to draw
blood in its defense."
--Mark A. Overby
bugman
PetRose wrote:
>
> "Nick LaRocca" <poly_math@*hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> "Very interesting. I wonder if this has anything to do with insects as
> well. Both grapes and roses are susceptible to many of the same insects,
> so if insect damage is seen on the roses, the grower knows it's time to
> get out and spray the vines."
>
> stay with us once and he showed us pictures of his vineyards in Beaune where
> the roses bushes were at the end of each row. Although some things were no
> doubt lost in the translation of our discussion I had the strong impression
> that the main reason was for the detection of powdery mildew - when the roses
> got it he sprayed the vineyards with sulfur.
Hey Petrose:
Here is another tall tale. This question came up in the newsgroup a
couple of years ago. I checked with several Grape IPM advisers and they
laughed about it. Even in the past farmers checked their grapes for
signs of powdery mildew first, not their roses. The disease and insect
complex in both are totally different with the exception of a few of
them.
There is a fad going on at many of the wineries about planting roses
right next to the vineyards and wineries. This has nothing to do with
IPM of grape pests. If the viticulturalists depended on roses for
forecasting their IPM practices, they would have gone out of business
long ago. Nowdays viticulturalists use degree days by means of day
degree computer models that take in consideration daily weather data.
When a certain number of day degrees are acumulated, it's time to treat.
--
Baldo Villegas (Bugman), Entomologist/ARS Consulting Rosarian
Orangevale, California
Home Page: http://www.concentric.net/~bugman/
E-Mail: Bug...@Concentric.Net
Dave Amorde
I'm blond, 5'10", about 180 lb.. ...
You all have no idea how many times I have been teased about my name. And
yes, it is pronounced the same!
Brenda Johnson
bugman wrote:
<snip>
>
> There is a fad going on at many of the wineries about planting roses
> right next to the vineyards and wineries. This has nothing to do with
> IPM of grape pests. If the viticulturalists depended on roses for
> forecasting their IPM practices, they would have gone out of business
> long ago.
Now there's a fad that I could definitely live with. Always wanted to
make my own wine anyway, and grapes can do OK here too. In my mind's eye
they would look stunning together, AND....."these are a few of my
favorite things."
Nowdays viticulturalists use degree days by means of day
> degree computer models that take in consideration daily weather data.
> When a certain number of day degrees are acumulated, it's time to treat.
Hmmmm, perhaps rose growers in the area could use that information too.
Perhaps the wine growers will share.
--
"The aim of life is to live, and to live means to be aware, joyously,
drunkenly, serenely, divinely aware. "
--Henry Miller
"One world at a time."
--Thoreau (When asked about the hereafter.)
bugman
Brenda Johnson wrote:
>
> bugman wrote:
> <snip>
> >
> > There is a fad going on at many of the wineries about planting roses
> > right next to the vineyards and wineries. This has nothing to do with
> > IPM of grape pests. If the viticulturalists depended on roses for
> > forecasting their IPM practices, they would have gone out of business
> > long ago.
>
> Now there's a fad that I could definitely live with. Always wanted to
> make my own wine anyway, and grapes can do OK here too. In my mind's eye
> they would look stunning together, AND....."these are a few of my
> favorite things."
>
> Nowdays viticulturalists use degree days by means of day
> > degree computer models that take in consideration daily weather data.
> > When a certain number of day degrees are acumulated, it's time to treat.
>
> Hmmmm, perhaps rose growers in the area could use that information too.
> Perhaps the wine growers will share.
Bren:
I'm not putting down the practice of planting roses next to vineyards. I
think it's great! The Napa Valley for instance has some of the best rose
gardens in northern California. Several rose societies in the Bay Area
have bus tours of such gardens and at the same time sample the wonderful
wines of the area.
These computer models for predicting treatments for powdery mildew have
been around for quite a few years. Some of the universities that have
large IPM Centers such as the University of California at Davis have
helful websites so that people can learn to use day degree data in their
IPM approaches. It's actually pretty easy to to run the model. Sunshine
Bill for instance has a couple of weather stations at his rose garden.
With a few modifications of the model he could very easily predict when
he would need to spray for powdery mildew on his roses and when certain
other pests would appear in his garden.