Extinct Pre-1946 Floribundas?

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Apr 24, 2022, 6:55:11 PMApr 24
Does anyone know of any living specimens or commercial sources of the
following possibly extinct Floribundas (and, if so, where are they)?


Argentina (Leenders, 1941) Apricot.

Black Bess (Kordes/Morse, 1939) Dark crimson.

Break o' Day (Archer, 1937) Coppery pink.

Climbing Else Poulsen (three separate introductions: Wirtz & Eicke,
1929; F. Ley, 1932; Wood & Ingram, 1933) Pink.

Climbing Rodhaette (Grootendorst, 1925) Cherry red.

Crimson Glow (Lammerts, 1945) Oxblood red.

D.T. Poulsen Improved (Van der Vis/Conard-Pyle, 1940) Red.

David Poulsen (S. Poulsen, 1932?) Crimson.

Elfin (Archer, 1939) Cerise with orange salmon.

Emil Kruisius (Tantau, 1943) Yellow.

Enid (Prior, 1936) Deep pink.

Fairy Cluster (Archer, 1935) Silvery pink.

Frau Dr. Erreth (Geduldig, 1915) Golden yellow with some pink.

Frau Lieselotte Wober (Vogel, 1938) Dark red.

Fredericksbergrosen (S. Poulsen, 1942) Yellowish white, shading to pink.

Golden Poly (Pahissa, 1931) Pure yellow.

Golden Poly (Leenders, 1935) Yellow with red or lilac.

Goldene Gruss an Aachen (Kordes, 1935) Golden yellow with orange red.

Goldene Johanna Tantau (Tantau, 1940) Dark gold yellow.

Grethe Poulsen (S. Poulsen, 1916) Cerise on yellow.

Gwyneth (Woosnam, Easlea, 1923) Canary yellow to lemon.

Hebe (Leenders, 1941) Deep pink, reverse lighter.

Hvissingrosen (S. Poulsen, 1943) Light pink, yellow base.

Imatra (S. Poulsen/P. Olsson of Finland, 1930) White with pink and
yellowish shades.

Inspecteur Jagourt (Soupert & Notting, 1932) Light carmine red.

Jill (Le Grice, 1939) Crimson pink.

Joyous (de Ruiter/Jackson & Perkins, 1939) Rose pink.

Kathryn Gram (Moore, 1945) Creamy.

Kelleriisrose (S. Poulsen, 1945) Orange pink to yellow pink.

Kluis' Scarlet (Kluis, 1932) Brilliant red.

Langley Gem (Eacott/Murrell, 1939) Scarlet cerise.

Little Miss Muffett (Le Grice, 1939) Pink, cherry reverse.

Madge Prior (Prior, 1934) Claret.

Margy (Sauvageot/Conard-Pyle, 1936) Scarlet.

May Robinson (H. Robinson, 1935) Pale pink.

Meldugsfri Else Poulsen (S. Poulsen, 1937) Pink.

Mexico (Krause, 1938) Brick red.

Morkerod Else Poulsen (S. Poulsen, 1934) Dark red.

New World (Jacobus/Bobbink & Atkins, 1945) Dark red.

Niobe (Jackson & Perkins, 1942) White, sometimes with pink center.

Peach Blossom (Chaplin, 1932) Carmine rose.

Pink Charm (Kordes/Dreer, 1938) Deep clear pink.

Pink Jewel (Kordes/Dreer, 1940) Arbutus pink.

Pink Karen (S. Poulsen, 1936) Rose pink.

Pink Satin (Cross/Bobbink & Atkins) Rose pink.

Prinsesse Margaretha (S. Poulsen, 1934) Soft pin, edged lighter.

Rafaela G. de Pena (Dot, 1938) Orange.

Rankende Johanna Tantau (Tantau, 1942) White, lemon glow.

Red Admiral (Archer, 1940) Cerise red.

Red Camellia (Krause, 1943) Orange scarlet.

Red Echo (Kluis & Koning/Jackson & Perkins, 1932) Vermilion with crimson.

Rochester (Nicolas/Jackson & Perkins, 1934) Soft yellow, reverse

Rosella (Prior, 1930) Salmon rose-pink.

Rosy Morn (Burbage, 1930) Pale to rich pink.

Rote Else Poulsen (Koopmann/Tantau, 1934) Dark pink to amaranth red.

Ruth Shamburger (Shamburger, 1934) Light pink.

Scarlet Else (Kordes, 1925) Scarlet red.

Sprite (Armacost & Royston, 1945) Light vinous pink.

Tiny Tim (Brownell, 1943) Light yellow.

Tomkins Red (Brownell, 1943) Crimson to maroon.

White Aachen (Western Rose Co., 1937) Buff yellow, fading to white.

White Sweetheart (Jackson & Perkins, 1941) White, pink blush.

Wilhelm Teetzmann (Kordes, 1940) Pure blood red.



Best Wishes,



Apr 25, 2022, 1:35:32 PMApr 25
Wow, Brent! I haven't seen any of these listed anywhere in a long time. The best suggestions I can give you are to look up sources on Help Me Find and start by contacting any remaining ones to see if they might still have them and to look them up on the interactive inventory for the San Jose Heritage Garden at this link. It's nearly up to date but if it doesn't show there, it's likely not in the collection. http://fm70.triple8.net/fmi/webd/HRGMaster . Good luck!


Apr 25, 2022, 6:02:12 PMApr 25

I'm hoping that by publicizing the names of these extinct (?) old
Floribundas someone will realize, "Hey, I think I saw one labeled that
in the old Swinkville Cemetery display garden last week," and get its
existence back into public knowledge (and, hopefully, availability).

When I get around to it, I'll put together another list of ones which
are extant but only in collections or gardens (i.e., are not
commercially available), again with the hope that someone will think,
"Wow, is that rose still around? What an interesting variety--I think
I'll propagate it for sale."

The old Floribundas are really becoming scarce, and deserve some extra

Best Wishes,



Apr 26, 2022, 1:23:12 PMApr 26
You're welcome, and good luck! EVERY class of rose (except for the currently patented stuff) is fading away. Have you looked for older minis lately? There are a few listed at RVR but even fewer ever available. Burlington carries the greatest selection but even those are limited compared to "the good old days". It's scary, but it's very much like what has happened in all markets. Selections are terribly limited and it isn't pandemic related.


Apr 26, 2022, 4:08:27 PMApr 26
Yes, Rogue Valley Roses and Burlington are really carrying the torch for
many neglected roses; and Greenmantle as well has some unexpected
classics. Roses Unlimited also has in their stock quite a selection of
classic mid 20th century roses, though I take it they've been on
something of a temporary break recently (?).

I meantime don't want to diss the most modern introductions, because of
course that's an important part of Roses and rose progress; but what's
particularly dismaying is that some rose suppliers will have dozens of
recently introduced cookie-cutter roses with no "personality," and which
they'll drop in a year or two, while the distinctive and certainly no
less desirable offerings from, say, the 1910s-1950s are completely
forgotten in their inventories. Somewhat more balance would I think
benefit and enrich the rose world in developing, diversifying, and
whetting rose lovers' taste.

The answer, of course, is to increase public demand for such varieties.
The nurseries mentioned in paragraph one above are doing their part to
have some available, and as far as making data available about specific
varieties (so that people aren't buying in the dark) I'm doing my best
specifically at the moment for the Floribundas up through 1945 (via my
recent book): At least some bread is being thrown upon the waters...

Best Wishes,

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