Phal. Golden Peoker 'Nan Cho' AM/AOS
kingfisher
good as they do in picture? where did you get 'em? are you satisfied
with the vendor? found places for good price.. but, they don't take
credit card.
pete
K Barrett
called 'harlequin' phals can look muddy. So if you want one that's as
nice as 'in the picture' buy one in bloom, which can cost you as you
well know. C&C is who I got mine from, but they are no longer selling
orchids, sigh. Having said that, not having one in bloom didn't stop me
from buying 6 or 7 of them and taking my chances. The Everspring Light
'cr???' is the only one which is muddy. I love these things!! Who do you
know that's selling them stateside?
K Barrett N Calif, USA
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K Barrett wrote in message <39ADDF02...@hotmail.com>...
Bob & Lynn Wellenstein
Peoker clones were generated as somaclonal mutations during mericloning, and
the process was carried on for a couple of mericlone generations. While such
mutations are generally cursed by orchid buyers, and seem to more frequently
for the worse, if you generate enough of them, and this can be easily
manipulated by hormone levels and other aspects of the mericloning protocol,
you can select out the few really neat mutations and reclone them, hopefully
with a protocol with fewer mutations. Dr. Rob Griesback sent me a paper he
published a few years ago on inducing such mutations during mericloning in
another type of ornamental, I don't remember the species. He was able to
select in the first generation desirable cultivars that were dwarfed and
others that sidebranched extensively, characteristics that would have
required many generations of selective breeding. You then simply have to
carry these plants one further generation to prove that the effects are not
epigenetic, and you have a completely new line ready for sale. So, my only
concern would be how stable the mutation was in the subsequent mericloning to
produce the sale plants, but I'll bet from the few I've seen it's pretty
stable, and most of the variations are still pretty sensational. Again,
though, unless I'm confusing myself with another Phal grex, these mutations
are sensitive to some environmental factors in their expression, and flowers
can actually vary slightly up the inflorescence, as well as from flowering to
flowering.
K Barrett
is a very nicely patterned flower. Of the group its the only one which
flowers regularly (for me). I had a clonal name 'Panda" in which the
white had a thinner substance than the red portions of the petals. I'm
waiting for it to bloom again so I can see if it is typical for that
particular plant. So according to my rules...facing a disappointment???
Go buy another orchid!!
K Barrett
Al
the pattern (which
is cool) but the way they hold their petals. Whenever I see one in person
it always has petals that curl WAY backwards. I have never seen one that
looks as pretty as they do in the pictures with nice flat well presented
flowers or I would own them all. :-)
The info about the way they are produced via supped-up mericloning was
nifty, if a bit over my head...
I met Dr Griesback. He is a fountain of information. Just standing next to
him and listening makes you smarter. I don't want to put words in his mouth
but this is what I remember about meeting him: He was all excited about
producing heat tolerant Dendrobium cutherbetsonii. Apparently, because they
are so small they will frequently bloom while still in flask and successive
generations can be had in about 2 years. He was saying that one need only
subject the flask itself to higher temps sufficient to kill off all but
about 10% of the seedlings inside and those that lived could then be selfed
or sibbed then flasked and the process repeated. No need to take up more
space than a few flasks or more time than a decade or so to get results.
Al
Bob & Lynn Wellenstein wrote in message
<39AE7301...@clarityconnect.com>...
Al
is cool) but the way they hold their petals. Whenever I see one in person
it always has petals that curl WAY backwards. I have never seen one that
The info about the way they are produced via supped-up mericloning was
nifty, if a bit over my head...
K Barrett wrote in message <39AE777B...@hotmail.com>...
knis...@my-deja.com
Bad curled petals!! Bad, bad curled petals!! Hmmm, this sounds like
some of the art critiques I've received ;-)
Karen
In article <8om102$1c1$2...@bob.news.rcn.net>,
"Al" <A...@Orchidexchange.com> wrote:
> The thing I don't like about this line of breeding (the harliquins) is
not
> the pattern (which
> is cool) but the way they hold their petals. Whenever I see one in
person
> it always has petals that curl WAY backwards. I have never seen one
that
> looks as pretty as they do in the pictures with nice flat well
presented
> flowers or I would own them all. :-)
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
Al
and for the sake of art, even if I think they should be flat. Some of these
harlequin flowers (in person) look like mutations and the petals are
severely folded back and hidden from view and don't look like their lover-ly
photos at all... Just my opinion though... not that you OR the Phals need
pay attention. And if you are not interested in what I think, then learn
not to ask. :-D ;-) ;-) :-#
knis...@my-deja.com wrote in message <8om4kh$v5v$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
Bob & Lynn Wellenstein
We started to plan a similar venture with Telopogons with a friend in Colombia
several years ago, but have been too busy (both here and in Colombia) to pursue
it. Well I'm on the subject, I'll plug his (Thomas Toulemonde) orchid website,
everyone visit http://www.orchids.andes.com . Thomas is as nice a person as
you'll ever encounter, we met him while he was a grad student at Cornell, and
miss his presence at house very much.
knis...@my-deja.com
Makes sense to me, too, which scares me somewhat.
I will continue to ask- you make excellent observations :-D
Karen
In article <8om6ok$ru3$1...@bob.news.rcn.net>,
"Al" <A...@Orchidexchange.com> wrote:
> There is a difference. Yours are curled petals on Phags where it is
normal
> and for the sake of art, even if I think they should be flat. Some of
these
> harlequin flowers (in person) look like mutations and the petals are
> severely folded back and hidden from view and don't look like their
lover-ly
> photos at all... Just my opinion though... not that you OR the Phals
need
> pay attention. And if you are not interested in what I think, then
learn
> not to ask. :-D ;-) ;-) :-#
Bob & Lynn Wellenstein
specializing in orchids that is a good friend of ours and does a lot of her
work from our plants is always interested in discussing the "quality" of a
plant she's painting. At many orchid shows where she may exhibit, the
artwork is judged by the AOS judges (a few bring in art experts but those
seem to be rare) and almost inevitably the judges end up discussiong and
judging the quality of flower that was painted instead of the painting.
K Barrett
Agreed about the flatness, but I still love 'em! Harlequins will
probably be the only Phals I end up keeping in my collection. I uploaded
a couple of my pics so you can see what I mean about the difference in
substance too. The red portion is much 'lumpier' but the petals are far
from flat. This is Everspring Light I *think* the clonal is 'CR'
http://www.geocities.com/brassia.geo/evrsprglite3.JPG and this is the
Warfang Red, which really isn't a harlequin per se, but does have a
great pattern on the petals. This one cascades well... at least I think
that was my intentions with this poor pic...
http://www.geocities.com/brassia.geo/warfunred.JPG
K Barrett
knis...@my-deja.com
idea of judging the quality of the painting...? Probably wouldn't be
the best course of action. I'm entering artwork in the NCOS show this
Oct. but won't be there to listen to any discussions, I'm afraid.
Pass along my compliments to Carol, btw- her work is astounding!!
Very inspirational to me.
Karen
http://www.knisbettdesigns.com
In article <39AEB46E...@clarityconnect.com>,
knis...@my-deja.com
Al
story. Cindy and Ellen were always very polite, nice people to deal with.
I bought one of their mericlones
of Phal. Hwafeng Redjewel 'Volcano' (Pinlong Cinderrela x Hwafeng Queen) and
it is one of my favorite Phals. I crossed it last spring with Golden Peoker
'Ever-spring' JC/AOS (which actually is pretty flat) just to see what would
happen. Reminds me I have to go check the seed pod....
They call those Hwafeng types *Batiks* in my neighborhood and there are a
couple similar mericlones floating around now. All of them are purple
batiks as far as I know. Al
K Barrett wrote in message <39AEBEDA...@hotmail.com>...
knis...@my-deja.com
Wow! You just made my day!!
Thanks much :-D
Karen
In article <8omg03$i2h$2...@bob.news.rcn.net>,
"Al" <A...@Orchidexchange.com> wrote:
> On second thought....
>
> I have had to call on one of my other personalities. I decided that
my tone
> in the response below was wrong and you might think I was being mean.
So
> Al, (that's me too) is responding with an apology for his words. He
just
> want to make it clear that I was playing back at you and that he knew
you
> were playing too. This newsgroup's aggregate voice has improved
greatly
> over the last few months and I consider your light and smiling posts
to be
> one of the reasons. I am also warmed to see your helpful care
instructions
> to newbies who sometimes ask questions the more "used and warn" of us
have
> heard too many times before to answer with a welcoming voice. I am
sure
> many people here go straight for your comments when they download this
> newsgroup. Keep a smile on your face and forgive me of my tone in the
last
> post as it was not meant to sound like a rebuke.
>
> Al (All of us in this crowded little brain, Aliens and whatnots...)
>
> Al wrote in message <8om6ok$ru3$1...@bob.news.rcn.net>...
> >There is a difference. Yours are curled petals on Phags where it is
normal
> >and for the sake of art, even if I think they should be flat. Some
of
> these
> >harlequin flowers (in person) look like mutations and the petals are
> >severely folded back and hidden from view and don't look like their
> lover-ly
> >photos at all... Just my opinion though... not that you OR the
Phals need
> >pay attention. And if you are not interested in what I think, then
learn
> >not to ask. :-D ;-) ;-) :-#
Al
I have had to call on one of my other personalities. I decided that my tone
in the response below was wrong and you might think I was being mean. So
Al, (that's me too) is responding with an apology for his words. He just
want to make it clear that I was playing back at you and that he knew you
were playing too. This newsgroup's aggregate voice has improved greatly
over the last few months and I consider your light and smiling posts to be
one of the reasons. I am also warmed to see your helpful care instructions
to newbies who sometimes ask questions the more "used and warn" of us have
heard too many times before to answer with a welcoming voice. I am sure
many people here go straight for your comments when they download this
newsgroup. Keep a smile on your face and forgive me of my tone in the last
post as it was not meant to sound like a rebuke.
Al (All of us in this crowded little brain, Aliens and whatnots...)
Al wrote in message <8om6ok$ru3$1...@bob.news.rcn.net>...
Dewitt
wrote:
>This newsgroup's aggregate voice has improved greatly
>over the last few months
Knock on wood. On the other hand, the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) has
gotten rather grumpy lately. They even have a debate going on about
whether or not it is physically possible to "piss up a rope".
deg
ke...@my-deja.com
I don't think so, once in a while a discussion will start. But to
things straight they (Braem et al) were discussing "peeing up a rope".
Doesn't that sound nicer than your choice of words...
Kenneth.
> Knock on wood. On the other hand, the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) has
> gotten rather grumpy lately. They even have a debate going on about
> whether or not it is physically possible to "piss up a rope".