Questions about Brassovola nodosa fragrance
Pam
Does this mean it smells like lemon Pledge or smells like citrus
blossoms? Is it only the species that smells strongly? I have seen
nodosa "white heart" advertised and also nodosa "Little Stars". Are
these varieties more or less aromatic than the species?
molli
a B. Little Stars (nodosa x cordata) which scents the whole house when it
blooms! I dont' know if its my cultural conditions, or if Nodosa just isn't
as fragrant as the hybrids.
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Hugs,
Molli
"Pam" <mymi...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Wendy
nodosa 'Panama Soiree'
It has the fragrance of orange blossoms but not as sweet or strong.
Are you going to the Costa Mesa Facination of Orchids next week?
I am going to try to go & wondering when it will be the least busy? Which
day would be best?
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Cheers Wendy
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: I have seen brassovola nodosa described as having a citrus aroma.
Pam
online, but I wanted to make sure it was fragrant. I have ordered the
Little Stars, imho citrus tree blossoms are intoxicating. I am in
Utah. If there are any orchid shows here, I am not aware of it. I
grow a few plants for my own pleasure. Their beauty has facinated me
for years. (I have the empty pots from the ones that I have killed
to prove it.) I just discovered that there are fragrant varieties. I
have a den. kingianum (gardinia) and neofinetia falcata on order and
am considering jumellea arachnanthe (gardinia) angraecum magdalenae,
(gardinia), and thrixspermum formosanum (heliotrope). Do you have any
comments on these species? I am looking for phal violacea bellina
Borneo (Zebrina) fragrant and phal hieroglyphica. These two phals
have seduced me. Unfortuneately, species plants are not as easily
found as hybrids.
"Wendy" <wendy7P...@cox.net> wrote in message news:<EGkTb.10676$fD.5106@fed1read02>...
Susan Erickson
>Thanks for replying. I have been tempted to buy a Little Stars
>online, but I wanted to make sure it was fragrant. I have ordered the
>Little Stars, imho citrus tree blossoms are intoxicating. I am in
>Utah. If there are any orchid shows here, I am not aware of it. I
>grow a few plants for my own pleasure. Their beauty has facinated me
>for years. (I have the empty pots from the ones that I have killed
>to prove it.) I just discovered that there are fragrant varieties. I
>have a den. kingianum (gardinia) and neofinetia falcata on order and
>am considering jumellea arachnanthe (gardinia) angraecum magdalenae,
>(gardinia), and thrixspermum formosanum (heliotrope). Do you have any
>comments on these species? I am looking for phal violacea bellina
>Borneo (Zebrina) fragrant and phal hieroglyphica. These two phals
>have seduced me. Unfortuneately, species plants are not as easily
>found as hybrids.
If your in UT - Shows near you.
March 13-14 - Denver Botanic Gardens - Denver Orchid Society
April 3-4 - Salt Lake Orchid Society Show - at the Botanic
Gardens there - I am not sure what there proper name is - for
informant ion contact Jim Coyner 1631 S. 75 East, Bountiful,
84010.
If Salt Lake and Denver are not near, your down south? - how
about NM? May 1-2 the Escalante Show which this time will be in
Los Alamos, NM. Contact Lois Dauelsberg, 1462 Camino Medio, Los
Alamos, 87544.
Rather go north? Helena MT is May 22-23.
Rather wait until Fall? Denver will host the AOS Members meeting
and HUGE show - 20 vendor sale - Oct 6-10. See the Denver Orchid
Society web site for details as they become available.
Susan Erickson
Brassovola nodosa is a sun lover and is only fragrant in the
dark. When you move this one to the house, hang it in a room
without a night lite if you want fragrance. Are you checking
yours for fragrance at night or during the day?
SuE
http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/albums.php
molli
Try OakHill for the Bellina and the Phal. Hyerogliphica. If it's not listed
on the website, drop Greg an Email. I know he has several varieties of
Bellina, and has Hyerogliphica, as I got mine from him.
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Hugs,
Molli
"Pam" <mymi...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Thanks for replying. I have been tempted to buy a Little Stars
> online, but I wanted to make sure it was fragrant. I have ordered the
> Little Stars, imho citrus tree blossoms are intoxicating. I am in
> Utah. I am looking for phal violacea bellina
> Borneo (Zebrina) fragrant and phal hieroglyphica. These two phals
> have seduced me. Unfortuneately, species plants are not as easily
> found as hybrids.
?
molli
Nodosa loves sun...you CAN fry it to a black nasty crisp...been there, done
that, bought another plant...lol
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Hugs,
Molli
Frank H. Kirchner
lecturer mentioned that there is tremendously variability in both the
intensity and the quality of the fragrance in Brassovola nodosa. Mine is
very fragrant but I would characterize the smell as more of a sweet perfume
than citrusy or orange-like.
He also mentioned one of his favorite scented orchids and easy to grow was
Brassovola flagillaris. I'm thinking about trying to find it. Anyone have
experience with it?
Thanks.
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Pam
plants I would like to have. I called them and the lady on the phone
said it was too cold to ship. She said heat packs don't work.... So
I just sent them an email asking if I could pay for extra heat packs.
I'll see what they write back. I might see about the Orchid Show in
April in SLC. I have a water garden business and from April until
August it's tough to make time for pleasure. Thats why orchids that
bloom in fall and winter are so wonderful. I put my plants outside in
the summer and last summer I had some grasshoppers eat bloom spikes on
some phals. You would think they would be safe up on a shaded deck.
But just this morning one of my cats ate the bloom bud from a young
yellow Christmas cactus that I had been pampering and begging to
bloom, so there is danger everywhere for blossoms.
"molli" <mo...@carpedementem.org> wrote in message news:<O8udnR9N0c9...@4dv.net>...
Susan Erickson
I have never known a B. nodosa to smell anything but sweet. It
is called 'lady of the night' and has a heavy perfume during the
evening hours.
B. Little Stars is a different plant. B. Little Stars is B.
nodosa x B subulifolia. The plant is larger and there are
generally more flowers.
I can not find a B. White Heart or a B. nodosa 'White Heart'.
That is not to say that a clone of B. nodosa was named White
Heart. It is just not listed in the Wildcatt data as an award
winner. There are errors in the listings and there are newer
plants than those listed.
I have never know a B. nodosa or B. Little Stars that smelled
like citrus.
Pam
"The last brassavola that I will mention is Brassavola flagellaris. It
comes from Brazil. The leaves of this specie can reach to almost three
feet. They are thin whiplike leaves. The flowers are clustered in
groups of 3-8, and when a large plant is in bloom it is quite a
sight."
All the websites I could quickly find agreed it was fragrant, but none
said what it smelled like. I'm afraid this plant is to large for me.
"Frank H. Kirchner" <kir...@cox.net> wrote in message news:<RZBTb.2006$Yj.1641@lakeread02>...
Larry Dighera
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I find the haunting, critrisy fragrance of Brassavola cucullata
wafting through the house at night to be remarkably agreeable. I find
olfactory sensation difficult to translate into words. There actually
does seem to be a bit of a lemon component in Brassavola cucullata's
scent, but that is far from the whole experience. Don't miss it.
J. Del Col
> On 1 Feb 2004 20:20:24 -0800, mymi...@aol.com (Pam) wrote in
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>
> >I have seen brassovola nodosa described as having a citrus aroma.
> >Does this mean it smells like lemon Pledge or smells like citrus
> >blossoms? Is it only the species that smells strongly? I have seen
> >nodosa "white heart" advertised and also nodosa "Little Stars". Are
> >these varieties more or less aromatic than the species?
>
OK, what's a "critris?"
Hate to sound a sour note, but perhaps you meant "citrusy."
J. Del Col
Larry Dighera
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Oops. Thanks for the correction.
TZ
killed, and then regrew is very fragrant even in the day under dim
light (starting on the day the flower opens no less!). The scent is
addictive perfumy so that it is difficult to walk away from the plant
(there is probably some silly official fragrance term for this such as
"buoyantly playful"). I then bought a plant with super-duper parents.
The flowers are big but there is no scent at all under any
conditions. I think that to be sure you either have to buy a clone
known to fragrate or buy a previously bloomed plant. Same with
Zygopetalums.
My B. cuculata smells like B.nodosa plus citrus. I immediately
thought of scented industrial bathroom cleanser. Smells good, but then
again so does the restroom at MacDonalds.
Good luck with it.
Larry Dighera
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>I am very lucky in that the first generic B. nodosa I bought, nearly
>killed, and then regrew is very fragrant even in the day under dim
>light (starting on the day the flower opens no less!).
Yours is an unusual cultivar indeed if it is fragrant in the daytime.
(Would you consider providing a division or pollen for my breeding
program?)
>The scent is addictive perfumy so that it is difficult to walk away from
>the plant (there is probably some silly official fragrance term for this
>such as "buoyantly playful").
Roman Kaiser, in his book The Scent of Orchids, Olfactory and chemical
investigation, has this to say about the fragrance of Brassavola
nodosa:
"Although this orchid, mentioned even by Carolus Linnaeus, often
grows in profusion, its distribution almost amounting to that of a
'weed', it is still held in high regard in Central America where
it is known by the name of 'Dame de la Noche' or Alluring Lady of
the Night'. This was doubtless inspired by the conspicuous
olfactory impact of its scent, which is released after dusk and
varies from a pure 'white-loral' to a 'rosy-floral' character,
depending on the particular variety or subspecies.
The 'white-floral' aspect predominates in the small-flowered
specimens so often encountered in orchid collections. It is based
primarily on linalool (27), benzoates, salicylates and large
amounts of nerolidol (28). The illustrated ;specimen, originating
from Mexico and possessing relatively large flowers and a somewhat
broader lip with rather flaccid petals and sepals, is
characterized by a particularly diffusive scent, representing a
combination of 'white-floral' and 'rosy-floral' scent notes. The
latter aspect is mainly due to a high proportion of geraniol (29).
The interplay of the two main components geraniol (29) and
(E)-ocimene (30) are largely responsible of the high degree of
diffusion, the vigour and pleasant freshness of the scent (cf.
analysis p. 199).
Analytical composition of Brassavola nodosa orchid scent:
K 16491, BGHB, Sept. 19/20, 1990, 23.00-7.30, RK, a.
Compound Area %
myrcene m
limonene m
(Z)-ocimene 1.0
(E)-ocimene 35.4
(E)-4,8-dimethyl-1,3,7-nonatriene m
(E,Z)-2,6-dimethyl-1,3,5,7-octatetraene *)
(E,E)-2,6-dimethyl-1,3,5,7-octatetraene *)
benzaldehyde m
linalool 6.6
ß-elemene m
(E)-ß-farnesene m
M+(?), 97(5), 82(97), 81(40), 54(30), 43(100) m
(E,E)-x-farnesene m
neryl acetate m
citronellol m
M+(?), 121(4), 99(20), 85(7), 71(100), 59(19) m
geranyl acetate m
(E,Z)-2,6-dimethyl-3,5,7-octatrien-2-ol *)
(E,E)-2,6-dimethyl-3,5,7-octatrien-2-ol *)
geraniol 24.1
(E)-nerolidol 24.0
methyl anthranilate m
(E,E)-farnesol m
indole m
>I then bought a plant with super-duper parents.
> The flowers are big but there is no scent at all under any
>conditions.
As the AOS does not consider orchid scent worthy of judging, it would
seem that orchid breeders/growers are guided more by their eyes than
their noses in choosing cultivars.
>I think that to be sure you either have to buy a clone
>known to fragrate or buy a previously bloomed plant. Same with
>Zygopetalums.
That is true of all aspects of orchid plants with the possible
exception of miriclones.
>My B. cuculata smells like B.nodosa plus citrus. I immediately
>thought of scented industrial bathroom cleanser. Smells good, but then
>again so does the restroom at MacDonalds.
I have no experience with MacDonalds privy scents, but my B.
Cucullata's fragrance is penetrating and somewhat like a fresh lemon
chiffon pie cooling on the windowsill, sweet and piquant.
>Good luck with it.
Many thanks.
TZ
enough to fill the little basket it is in.
Bad timing.....I would be happy to send you some pollen but I just
used it all for my own tinkering. It is carrying a capsule from a
cross with Dinema polybulbon right now so I don't expect more flowers
for a while.
Larry Dighera
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>I wish the plant was large enough to divide. I wish it was large
>enough to fill the little basket it is in.
Yes; I know what you mean. I'm patiently waiting for some 3" C.
Skinneri Coerulescens 'Orchidglade' x self plants to flower, so I can
make some crosses.
>Bad timing.....I would be happy to send you some pollen but I just
>used it all for my own tinkering. It is carrying a capsule from a
>cross with Dinema polybulbon right now so I don't expect more flowers
>for a while.
Thank you for your kind offer. Please keep me in mind when it again
produces pollen you can spare. Of course, I'm happy to provide you
with plants from the cross if you like.