American zones
Oz
England being such a small country we only have n,s,e,w and high/low.
And most of us are in more than one zone anyway.
Could any kind soul tell me what your zones are, or more accurately,
where?
--
Oz
Oliver Patterson
USDA hardiness zones are based on average minimum temperatures. The
lowest temperature on the coldest night of the year, on average,
determines what zone a certain area is in. Here is a link to better
information about this:
http://pathfinder.com/vg/TimeLife/ZoneFinder/usda.html
Somewhere on the Web is a map of the equivalent zones in Europe.
If you know the average minimum temperature in your area, you can find
the equivalent USDA hardiness zone by using this chart:
Zone 1: below -46 C (below -50 F)
Zone 2: -46 to -40 C (-50 to -40 F)
Zone 3: -40 to -34 C (-40 to -30 F)
Zone 4: -34 to -29 C (-30 to -20 F)
Zone 5: -29 to -23 C (-20 to -10 F)
Zone 6: -23 to -18 C (-10 to 0 F)
Zone 7: -18 to -12 C (0 to 10 F)
Zone 8: -12 to -7 C (10 to 20 F)
Zone 9: -7 to -1 C (20 to 30 F)
Zone 10: -1 to 4 C (30 to 40 F)
Zone 11: above 4 C (above 40 F)
The new Sunset Climate Zones are much more valuable, because they take
into account rainfall, high temperatures during the summer, and other
important factors.
My guess is that most of England has a climate similar to that of the
American Northeast: probably zones 4 through 7.
Oliver
Lorenzo L. Love
Oz wrote:
> England being such a small country we only have n,s,e,w and high/low.
> And most of us are in more than one zone anyway.
>
> Could any kind soul tell me what your zones are, or more accurately,
> where?
>
> --
> Oz
See:
http://www.ars-grin.gov/ars/Beltsville/na/hardzone/ushzmap.html?
rick
Florida and zone ten is the subarctic. I'm in southern Maine which is zone
5 or 6. Probably about the same as southern UK.
Rastapoodle
This information is completely wrong. South Florida is either Zone 10
or 11 - the Keys. Go to my plants page, there is a link there to the
USDA zones map.
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Rastapoodle
Very interesting, based on average high temperature, duration of days above " ",
etc.
zv...@my-dejanews.com
Oz <O...@upthorpe.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> England being such a small country we only have n,s,e,w and high/low.
> And most of us are in more than one zone anyway.
>
> Could any kind soul tell me what your zones are, or more accurately,
> where?
>
> --
> Oz
>
The US is not only bigger, it is also far more continental than England. That
means, colder in winter and hotter in summer. In the lower 48, one goes from
Zone 4 to Zone 10, and they are defined as average minimum temperature ranges
(i.e., in New York the lowest annual temp could be 22F in 1997, and 8F in
1998. Averages 15F, which is Zone 7). Zone 4 has min. temps between -20 and
-10, Zone 5 between -10 and 0, and so on and so forth.
A simple web search will give you plenty of maps to browse. The Dakotas are
probably coldest, S TX and S FL are Zone 10. The whole of England is probably
Zone 8 equivalent. ah, gulfstream, and palms at alaskan latitudes.
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>
> In article <6gH7FGAK...@upthorpe.demon.co.uk>,
> Oz <O...@upthorpe.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > England being such a small country we only have n,s,e,w and high/low.
> > And most of us are in more than one zone anyway.
> >
> > Could any kind soul tell me what your zones are, or more accurately,
> > where?
> >
> > --
> > Oz
> >
>
> The US is not only bigger, it is also far more continental than England. That
> means, colder in winter and hotter in summer. In the lower 48, one goes from
> Zone 4 to Zone 10, and they are defined as average minimum temperature ranges
Actually Northern Minnesota has some zone 2 and a lot of zone 3 areas so
continental US goes from 2 to 10
Jessie
>
> North America is divided into ten growing zones. Zone one is southern
> Florida and zone ten is the subarctic. I'm in southern Maine which is zone
> 5 or 6. Probably about the same as southern UK.
You've got the map upside down! Zone 1 is *way* north; zone
10 is southern Florida and patches of the Baja.
--
Jessie
New York City
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Jason Quick
> A simple web search will give you plenty of maps to browse. The
> Dakotas are probably coldest, S TX and S FL are Zone 10. The whole
> of England is probably Zone 8 equivalent. ah, gulfstream, and palms
> at Alaskan latitudes.
Well, according to the map in my copy of "Gardening for Dummies,"
Most of England, Ireland and Scotland are the equivalent of Zone 8
or 9, with a small patch of Zone 7 in the Scottish highlands. Bear
in mind that England is above 50' North - London is at 51'30"N, or
about the same as Calgary (51'02"N). Better hope the Gulf Stream
never shifts, kids, else England will become a chilly place indeed.
Jason
USDA Zone 4b - near Omaha, Nebraska USA
Delete the marsupial to reply
Oz
<jas...@wallaby.novia.net> writes
>Bear
>in mind that England is above 50' North - London is at 51'30"N, or
>about the same as Calgary (51'02"N). Better hope the Gulf Stream
>never shifts, kids, else England will become a chilly place indeed.
Yes indeed. We are most grateful for the donation of a little of the
florida warmth to our otherwise glacial shores. Mind you as anyone who
has tried to swim in the sea off Cornwall (far sw england) will testify
it's pretty chilly by the time it reaches us.
We are also the receipients of considerable amounts of hot air that
crosses the atlantic from se USA. It brings lots of rain and warmth
(particularly just now). Rumors that there is more of it in US election
years is unfounded.
Mind you here maize is right on the edge of it's growing area (used for
silage only) and tomatoes similarly (best grown in a greenhouse). I
suspect this would not be true of US zones 7&8?
--
Oz
Pat Kiewicz
says...
>
>Mind you here maize is right on the edge of it's growing area (used for
>silage only) and tomatoes similarly (best grown in a greenhouse). I
>suspect this would not be true of US zones 7&8?
For most of the US (possibly exception, the Pacific Northwest). There's
pleny of maize and tomatoes raised in zones 5 and 6, too. The winters
are colder, but the summers hotter.
--
Pat in Plymouth MI
NOTICE!! To hit my personal mailbox, please put the letter 'p' in front of
the 'kiewicz' when replying by e-mail.
Oz
<kie...@mw.mediaone.net> writes
>There's
>pleny of maize and tomatoes raised in zones 5 and 6, too. The winters
>are colder, but the summers hotter.
Ah, you lucky people. Snow in winter and heat in summer.
<envy>
I bet you don't even have mosquitoes either.
--
Oz
Rick Clark
>
>England being such a small country we only have n,s,e,w and high/low.
>And most of us are in more than one zone anyway.
>
>Could any kind soul tell me what your zones are, or more accurately,
>where?
At the Southern tip of Florida, this is considered zone 10, bordering
on 11. Basically, Subtropical/Tropical. Not far South of here is
Tropical, making possible such things as Breadfruit propagation.
However, if there is anything to global warming, I think we may be
actually becoming full Zone 11. The past few winters have seemed
overly warm, and I think many things would have survived that wouldn't
in years past.
My yard: Cashew, Banana, Allspice, Orange, Grapefruit, Lime, Avocado,
Lychee, Giant Granadilla, Red "Jamaican Sorrel", Mamey and Longan
coming up. Maybe Macadamia and Breadfruit in the future.
Rick Clark
Jack Walker
wrote:
>In article <362D9C...@wallaby.novia.net>, Jason Quick
><jas...@wallaby.novia.net> writes
>
>>Bear
>>in mind that England is above 50' North - London is at 51'30"N, or
>>about the same as Calgary (51'02"N). Better hope the Gulf Stream
>>never shifts, kids, else England will become a chilly place indeed.
>
>We are also the receipients of considerable amounts of hot air that
>crosses the atlantic from se USA. It brings lots of rain and warmth
>(particularly just now). Rumors that there is more of it in US election
>years is unfounded.
You are incorrect on that point. You just don't experience the
increase directly since our politicians have to stay home to campaign
during election years.
>--
>Oz
Reply to jawalker(AT)beckman(dot)com
Darin McGrew
> Mind you here maize is right on the edge of it's growing area (used for
> silage only) and tomatoes similarly (best grown in a greenhouse). I
> suspect this would not be true of US zones 7&8?
It depends on whether it's a coastal zone 7/8, or whether it's an inland
zone 7/8. A coastal zone 7/8 probably won't get enough heat for these
summer crops, or at least not enough to grow traditional long-season
varieties. Just like in England, the same ocean that moderates our winter
temperatures also moderates our summer temperatures.
However, an inland zone 7/8 is going to have plenty of heat for these
crops. In fact, it may get so hot during the peak of the summer that
tomatoes stop setting fruit.
--
Darin McGrew, mcg...@alumni.stanford.org, http://www.rahul.net/mcgrew/
"The man who never makes mistakes never makes much of anything."
-- Waite Phillips
Oz
<piano...@mindspring.com> writes
> The past few winters have seemed
>overly warm, and I think many things would have survived that wouldn't
>in years past.
Winters here may be warm (in a masochistic sort of way) but the summers
are (usually) downright dull.
>My yard: Cashew, Banana, Allspice, Orange, Grapefruit, Lime, Avocado,
>Lychee, Giant Granadilla, Red "Jamaican Sorrel", Mamey and Longan
>coming up. Maybe Macadamia and Breadfruit in the future.
Sometimes I can grow a tomato....
--
Oz
Oz
writes
>you got to be kidding. first, snow in winter comes with frozen soil, and you
>get no local fresh food for 6 months a year. in england, you get winter
>greens throughout. second, there are summer days in the midwest when you
>cannot venture outside without being eaten alive.
Aw. And I was just thinking how lucky you folks were. We had summer this
year. One whole week. BBbbbrrrrrrrr
--
Oz
Pat Kiewicz
says...
Sometime in May the first mosquitos emerge, and it goes downhill from
there...
I managed to be interviewed once on the local TV news about how dreadful
the mosquitos were that year (and my daughter could be seen displaying
her bites, and scratching at them).
FarmerDill
>Mind you here maize is right on the edge of it's growing area (used for
>silage only) and tomatoes similarly (best grown in a greenhouse). I
>suspect this would not be true of US zones 7&8?
>
>Oz
You are quite correct. USDA zones are (hardiness zones) based on winter
temperatures and are best used for evaluating the potential success of
perennials. Summer temps, rainfall, relative humidity etc are not accounted
for. Zone 8 in the southeast will have many summer days over 100 degrees on the
Fahrenheit scale.
Dill
Zhanataya
Oz wrote:
> (Interesting Post snipped)
>
> We are also the receipients of considerable amounts of hot air that
> crosses the atlantic from se USA. It brings lots of rain and warmth
> (particularly just now). Rumors that there is more of it in US election
> years is unfounded.
>
> Oz, there's plenty of hot air in the rest of USA too. Not just us in
> the SE :)
>
>
>
Oz
<jawa...@beckman.com> writes
>>Oz:
>>We are also the receipients of considerable amounts of hot air that
>>crosses the atlantic from se USA. It brings lots of rain and warmth
>>(particularly just now). Rumors that there is more of it in US election
>>years is unfounded.
>You are incorrect on that point. You just don't experience the
>increase directly since our politicians have to stay home to campaign
>during election years.
Our politicians just produce warm air.
They all seem a little grey after the dragon lady ...
--
Oz
Oz
<kie...@mw.mediaone.net> writes
>>Oz:
>>
>>I bet you don't even have mosquitoes either.
>>
>Surely you jest!
Well, only a little. Do you have big ones that sound like a completely
invisible B52 or little tiny sneaky ones that sting like a bee?
>Sometime in May the first mosquitos emerge, and it goes downhill from
>there...
May until when?
Sometimes we have a mosquito in august if it's not too cold.
>I managed to be interviewed once on the local TV news about how dreadful
>the mosquitos were that year (and my daughter could be seen displaying
>her bites, and scratching at them).
Tsk, tsk. My son still has the scars he got in Bali from doing this.
Mind you the balinese mosquitoes really loved him, nobody else got bit
if you were within 10' of him. [smirk].
--
Oz
Pat Kiewicz
<discussing mosquitos>
>Well, only a little. Do you have big ones that sound like a completely
>invisible B52 or little tiny sneaky ones that sting like a bee?
Big and little, both. The little ones are the worst, but a big one
wandering around under the brim of your straw hat can be spooky.
>
Kiewicz:
>>Sometime in May the first mosquitos emerge, and it goes downhill from
>>there...
>
>May until when?
Frost -- but they do drop off a bit if we have a serious drought. And
cooler weather slows them down (quite literally).
What with morning dews, midday sun, and the mosquitos that come out
in the evenings (and cloudy days)...the window for happily puttering
around the gardening can get quite narrow. Picking berries can be slow
torture when the mosquitos are bad -- and they often are.
>Sometimes we have a mosquito in august if it's not too cold.
Too warm and dry for the arctic/boreal mosquitos, too cool for the more
tropical types, eh?
Kiewicz:
>>I managed to be interviewed once on the local TV news about how dreadful
>>the mosquitos were that year (and my daughter could be seen displaying
>>her bites, and scratching at them).
>
>Tsk, tsk. My son still has the scars he got in Bali from doing this.
>Mind you the balinese mosquitoes really loved him, nobody else got bit
>if you were within 10' of him. [smirk].
I've noticed that my brother seems able to draw them out of dormancy. 8^)
My daughter isn't nearly as bad, but there is *some* protective value in
standing next to her...
Oz
<kie...@mw.mediaone.net> writes
>>May until when?
>
>Frost -- but they do drop off a bit if we have a serious drought. And
>cooler weather slows them down (quite literally).
Oooh dear. This doesn't sound quite so good. It must be hell in Florida.
HangOnaTick, I drove in a big loop from Atlanta, across to the east
coast and south to disneyworld and then back up the w.coast of florida
and hence to Atlanta and I don't remember that many. True, I wasn't in
many country areas in the evening but you wouldn't be exaggerating ever
so slightly now would you? Hmmmm?
>>Sometimes we have a mosquito in august if it's not too cold.
>
>Too warm and dry for the arctic/boreal mosquitos, too cool for the more
>tropical types, eh?
Dunno. We probably don't have so much water that doesn't have predators
in. Most places there aren't any boggy areas left for them to breed in
and heaps of old tyres and so on are rarer these days.
--
Oz
Pat Kiewicz
says...
>
>In article <70n21a$8uj$1...@denws02.mw.mediaone.net>, Pat Kiewicz
><kie...@mw.mediaone.net> writes
>>In article <h15tgxA4...@upthorpe.demon.co.uk>, Oz says...
>>
>><discussing mosquitos>
>
>>>May until when?
>>
>>Frost -- but they do drop off a bit if we have a serious drought. And
>>cooler weather slows them down (quite literally).
>
>Oooh dear. This doesn't sound quite so good. It must be hell in Florida.
>
>HangOnaTick, I drove in a big loop from Atlanta, across to the east
>coast and south to disneyworld and then back up the w.coast of florida
>and hence to Atlanta and I don't remember that many. True, I wasn't in
>many country areas in the evening but you wouldn't be exaggerating ever
>so slightly now would you? Hmmmm?
>
back when they sprayed DDT for mosquitos, so I don't know how bad they'd
otherwise be there. And they also weren't nearly as bad in Indiana. My
mother complains about mosquitos where she lives in Colorado, but they seem
a feeble breed compared to Michigan, and in *much* lower supply. I don't
remember being much troubled my mosquitos in Tennessee, North Carolina,
Kentucky and Alabama during the times I have been there (which included
tent camping and hiking, in the summer) though I do remember a few
incidents with large biting flies (deer flies or horseflies).
I will state:
(1) You don't want to linger in my garden in the evenings, or on
cloudy days, during mosquito season, unless you like to use lots of
DEET. Midday on a sunny day is usually OK, but then it's midday
on a sunny day, and gets pretty hot.
(2) If you are a moquito magnet, you don't want to go into the woods any
time of day at anything less than a brisk walk or trot during mosquito
season. I used to go hiking at a park where they had a 'mosquito meter'
which usually pegged out all summer. (Cover arms and legs and use repellent)
Oz
<kie...@mw.mediaone.net> writes
>I will state:
>
>(1) You don't want to linger in my garden in the evenings, or on
>cloudy days, during mosquito season, unless you like to use lots of
>DEET. Midday on a sunny day is usually OK, but then it's midday
>on a sunny day, and gets pretty hot.
>
>(2) If you are a moquito magnet, you don't want to go into the woods any
>time of day at anything less than a brisk walk or trot during mosquito
>season. I used to go hiking at a park where they had a 'mosquito meter'
>which usually pegged out all summer. (Cover arms and legs and use repellent)
Sometimes england sounds positively heavenly. Strange old world, eh?
[NB You posted by e-mall also, I deleted it, tsk, tsk.]
--
Oz
Tyler Hopper
>
> In article <70n21a$8uj$1...@denws02.mw.mediaone.net>, Pat Kiewicz
> <kie...@mw.mediaone.net> writes
> >In article <h15tgxA4...@upthorpe.demon.co.uk>, Oz says...
> >
> ><discussing mosquitos>
>
> >>May until when?
> >
> >Frost -- but they do drop off a bit if we have a serious drought. And
> >cooler weather slows them down (quite literally).
>
> Oooh dear. This doesn't sound quite so good. It must be hell in Florida.
>
> HangOnaTick, I drove in a big loop from Atlanta, across to the east
> coast and south to disneyworld and then back up the w.coast of florida
> and hence to Atlanta and I don't remember that many. True, I wasn't in
> many country areas in the evening but you wouldn't be exaggerating ever
> so slightly now would you? Hmmmm?
South of Houston in a small town called Lake Jackson, they have the
Mosquito Festival every year. Whaddaya think?
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Did you have a problem with mosquitos this year? I am in Michigan also, and
did not see a single one this year. Luckily, even in bad years, I am one of
those people they rarily bite, and when they do it fades away in a matter of
minutes, with no serious itching. My brother is the same. The rest of my
family however, poor things are mosquito magnets.
Beth
In article <70pqbd$8id$1...@denws02.mw.mediaone.net>, kie...@mw.mediaone.net
(Pat Kiewicz) wrote:
>In article <S1OhQAAl...@upthorpe.demon.co.uk>, O...@upthorpe.demon.co.uk
>says...
>>
>>In article <70n21a$8uj$1...@denws02.mw.mediaone.net>, Pat Kiewicz
>><kie...@mw.mediaone.net> writes
>>>In article <h15tgxA4...@upthorpe.demon.co.uk>, Oz says...
>>>
>>><discussing mosquitos>
>>
>>>>May until when?
>>>
>>>Frost -- but they do drop off a bit if we have a serious drought. And
>>>cooler weather slows them down (quite literally).
>>
>>Oooh dear. This doesn't sound quite so good. It must be hell in Florida.
>>
>>HangOnaTick, I drove in a big loop from Atlanta, across to the east
>>coast and south to disneyworld and then back up the w.coast of florida
>>and hence to Atlanta and I don't remember that many. True, I wasn't in
>>many country areas in the evening but you wouldn't be exaggerating ever
>>so slightly now would you? Hmmmm?
>>
>Not *too* much, about Michigan, at least. I used to live in Connecticut
>back when they sprayed DDT for mosquitos, so I don't know how bad they'd
>otherwise be there. And they also weren't nearly as bad in Indiana. My
>mother complains about mosquitos where she lives in Colorado, but they seem
>a feeble breed compared to Michigan, and in *much* lower supply. I don't
>remember being much troubled my mosquitos in Tennessee, North Carolina,
>Kentucky and Alabama during the times I have been there (which included
>tent camping and hiking, in the summer) though I do remember a few
>incidents with large biting flies (deer flies or horseflies).
>
Oz
<tho...@postoffice.swbell.net> writes
>
>South of Houston in a small town called Lake Jackson, they have the
>Mosquito Festival every year. Whaddaya think?
Er .... surely they aren't big enough to eat thereabouts?
--
Oz
Toni Edwards
>
>HangOnaTick, I drove in a big loop from Atlanta, across to the east
>coast and south to disneyworld and then back up the w.coast of florida
>and hence to Atlanta and I don't remember that many. True, I wasn't in
>many country areas in the evening but you wouldn't be exaggerating ever
>so slightly now would you? Hmmmm?
>
>Oz
Hey Oz,
geeze, you went by Tampa and you didn't stop to say hello? Let me explain.
When you leave Disney World and take a right, you're on I4 heading to Tampa.
To get to Atlanta, you turn off onto I75, just before Tampa. Well, when I
head North on my street, it's only 200 yards to the I75 entrance ramp...
That said, I've lived in Florida for over 20 years. So let me enlighten you
on our mosquito situation.
1. We have 2 types of mosquitoes. Those that are small enough to get through
the screens and those that are large enough to open the door and walk in.
2. There were these 2 mosquitoes who grabbed a tourist and flew off with him.
The first mosquito asked if they should eat him here, or take him back to the
swamp. The second mosquito replied that if they took him back to the swamp,
the big mosquitoes would get him.
Toni
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Oz
writes
>Did you have a problem with mosquitos this year? I am in Michigan also, and
>did not see a single one this year.
Hmmm. The case of the vansishing american mosquitoes? :-)
--
Oz
Oz
<tedw...@spam.digital.net> writes
>
>Hey Oz,
>
>geeze, you went by Tampa and you didn't stop to say hello? Let me explain.
>When you leave Disney World and take a right, you're on I4 heading to Tampa.
>To get to Atlanta, you turn off onto I75, just before Tampa. Well, when I
>head North on my street, it's only 200 yards to the I75 entrance ramp...
Hey it was 17 years ago. My son was minus 4 months old at the time.
Tampa? Is that the place with a truly huge bridge that climbs way up
over the waves? Hey when we started onto it it was day and night fell
before we had reached the other side.
>That said, I've lived in Florida for over 20 years. So let me enlighten you
>on our mosquito situation.
>
>1. We have 2 types of mosquitoes. Those that are small enough to get through
>the screens and those that are large enough to open the door and walk in.
Jeez. All my preconceptions about american (and australians) are being
blown away. American and australians are those sensible people with
mosquito screens over their windows and screen doors in front of their
doors. This means you can have them open and be bug-free. Well, in
australia the have them, but if you're outside you get covered in flies.
You have two choices, let em crawl all over your face, or end up with
dislocated wrists. It's surprising how quickly you can get used to 200
flies walking over your face.
NOW you tell me that american screens don;t keep mosquitoes out. Sob.
>2. There were these 2 mosquitoes who grabbed a tourist and flew off with him.
>The first mosquito asked if they should eat him here, or take him back to the
>swamp. The second mosquito replied that if they took him back to the swamp,
>the big mosquitoes would get him.
Everything's bigger in the US. You wouldn't be confusing mosquitoes and
alligators here would you? Oh, silly me, alligators can't fly can they.
--
Oz
Kattz
wrote:
>At the Southern tip of Florida, this is considered zone 10, bordering
>on 11. Basically, Subtropical/Tropical. Not far South of here is
>Tropical, making possible such things as Breadfruit propagation.
>However, if there is anything to global warming, I think we may be
>actually becoming full Zone 11. The past few winters have seemed
>overly warm, and I think many things would have survived that wouldn't
>in years past.
We've always been zone 5 here In Michigan's Saginaw Bay area but I think it
must be changing. Usually all our garden stuff has been frosted by my
birthday on Oct 7 but this year my stringbeans were alive and producing
until they were frosted on the morning of Oct 21.
Kattz
Index Summary Editor for Alt.StarTrek.Creative
http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Marina/1278/ASC-menu.htm
Pat Kiewicz
>
>Pat,
>
>Did you have a problem with mosquitos this year? I am in Michigan also, and
>those people they rarily bite, and when they do it fades away in a matter of
>minutes, with no serious itching. My brother is the same. The rest of my
>family however, poor things are mosquito magnets.
>
a short distance from the semi-stagnant (but much improved) Rouge river.
I still got bit up picking the fall raspberries, despite the drought.
I tend to have allergic reactions, so when they do bite I always get a
welt. My daughter seems to get bigger welts than I do. I've heard
that this reaction will decrease after time, if you continue to be
bitten by the same species of mosquitos. But it seems like we have
a succession of different mosquitos to keep us itching here in MI.
I remember one fairly wet summer a friend and her kids came back from
a weekend 'up north' and were absolutely measled with mosquito bites --
not a good advertisement for Michigan tourism, that...
Gary Cooper
On Fri, 23 Oct 1998, Tyler Hopper wrote:
> Oz wrote:
> >
> > In article <70n21a$8uj$1...@denws02.mw.mediaone.net>, Pat Kiewicz
> > <kie...@mw.mediaone.net> writes
> > >In article <h15tgxA4...@upthorpe.demon.co.uk>, Oz says...
> > >
> > ><discussing mosquitos>
> >
> > >>May until when?
> > >
> > >Frost -- but they do drop off a bit if we have a serious drought. And
> > >cooler weather slows them down (quite literally).
> >
> > Oooh dear. This doesn't sound quite so good. It must be hell in Florida.
> >
> > HangOnaTick, I drove in a big loop from Atlanta, across to the east
> > coast and south to disneyworld and then back up the w.coast of florida
> > and hence to Atlanta and I don't remember that many. True, I wasn't in
> > many country areas in the evening but you wouldn't be exaggerating ever
> > so slightly now would you? Hmmmm?
>
> South of Houston in a small town called Lake Jackson, they have the
> Mosquito Festival every year. Whaddaya think?
>
> __________________________
As an old Texan, I had to hand the prize to Alaska when I was there a
couple of summers ago. Mosquitoes are literally more common than dirt in a
good many areas of that state. They say that moose and caribou sometimes
die from blood loss caused by bites of mosquitoes and blackflies. No joke.
Gary
Gary Cooper
On Fri, 23 Oct 1998, Oz wrote:
> In article <3630D9F6...@postoffice.swbell.net>, Tyler Hopper
> <tho...@postoffice.swbell.net> writes
> >
> >South of Houston in a small town called Lake Jackson, they have the
> >Mosquito Festival every year. Whaddaya think?
>
> Er .... surely they aren't big enough to eat thereabouts?
>
> --
> Oz
>
They're big enough to eat US.
(I guess you could eat them if you collected enough of them, but you might
be in danger of contracting malaria, yellow fever, etc.)
Gary
Gary Cooper
On Fri, 23 Oct 1998, Oz wrote:
> In article <70quob$6...@news.voyager.net>, Beth <wng...@voyager.net>
> writes
> >Did you have a problem with mosquitos this year? I am in Michigan also, and
> >did not see a single one this year.
>
> Hmmm. The case of the vansishing american mosquitoes? :-)
>
> --
> Oz
There were fewer mosquitoes than usual here in Texas, because we had very
little rain this summer. Not to worry; they'll be back.
Gary
Jessie
>
> South of Houston in a small town called Lake Jackson, they have the
> Mosquito Festival every year. Whaddaya think?
>
I think I'll be stocking up on Avon Skin-So-Soft before I
visit there!
--
Jessie
New York City
j e s 2 2 at columbia dot edu
==================================
note the spam Trap
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Jason Quick
>
> Aw. And I was just thinking how lucky you folks were. We had summer
> this year. One whole week. BBbbbrrrrrrrr
A whole week? All in a row?
Jason
USDA Zone 4b; Omaha, Nebraska USA
Remove the marsupial to reply
Oz
<jas...@wallaby.novia.net> writes
>Oz (The Great and Powerful)
Nah, that one was a fraud wizard, I'm just yer old peasant farmer type.
>wrote:
>>
>> Aw. And I was just thinking how lucky you folks were. We had summer
>> this year. One whole week. BBbbbrrrrrrrr
>
>A whole week? All in a row?
Yup all in a row (six days if I remember). Two days in a row is called
'spring'.
--
Oz
Oz
100...@apache.utdallas.edu>, Gary Cooper <big...@utdallas.edu> writes
>They're big enough to eat US.
>
>(I guess you could eat them if you collected enough of them, but you might
>be in danger of contracting malaria, yellow fever, etc.)
Phew, that's a relief, I had these visions, see.
Luckily I don't think you can catch malaria or yellow fever by eating
mosquitoes, certainly not if you cook them well first. Maybe a tomato
sauce would be good?
--
Oz
Oz
>As an old Texan, I had to hand the prize to Alaska when I was there a
>couple of summers ago. Mosquitoes are literally more common than dirt in a
>good many areas of that state. They say that moose and caribou sometimes
>die from blood loss caused by bites of mosquitoes and blackflies. No joke.
That's what I heard too.
I don't think canada or siberia are any better either.
--
Oz
Pat Kiewicz
says...
>
>In article <Pine.GSO.3.96.981024085055.17460C-
>>
>>(I guess you could eat them if you collected enough of them, but you might
>>be in danger of contracting malaria, yellow fever, etc.)
>
>Phew, that's a relief, I had these visions, see.
>
>Luckily I don't think you can catch malaria or yellow fever by eating
>mosquitoes, certainly not if you cook them well first. Maybe a tomato
>sauce would be good?
I'd recommend a lemon-butter sauce.
I remember reading that mosquito larvae were edible, and actually taste
a bit like trout...
Gary Cooper
On Sat, 24 Oct 1998, Jessie wrote:
> Tyler Hopper wrote:
> >
> > South of Houston in a small town called Lake Jackson, they have the
> > Mosquito Festival every year. Whaddaya think?
> >
>
> I think I'll be stocking up on Avon Skin-So-Soft before I
> visit there!
>
> --
> Jessie
> New York City
Ha! Our skeeters eat Skin-So-Soft for breakfast. What you need is a gallon
jug of that stuff that's about 195% DEET (di-ethyl toluamide or something
like that) and smells like an explosion at the petrochemical plant.
Gary
Texas
Gary Cooper
On Sun, 25 Oct 1998, Oz wrote:
> In article <Pine.GSO.3.96.981024085055.17460C-
> 100...@apache.utdallas.edu>, Gary Cooper <big...@utdallas.edu> writes
>
> >They're big enough to eat US.
> >
> >(I guess you could eat them if you collected enough of them, but you might
> >be in danger of contracting malaria, yellow fever, etc.)
>
> Phew, that's a relief, I had these visions, see.
>
> Luckily I don't think you can catch malaria or yellow fever by eating
> mosquitoes, certainly not if you cook them well first. Maybe a tomato
> sauce would be good?
>
> --
> Oz
>
Cooking them first is for wimps.
Gary
Gary Cooper
On 25 Oct 1998, Pat Kiewicz wrote:
> > ...
> >>They're big enough to eat US.
> >>
> >>(I guess you could eat them if you collected enough of them, but you might
> >>be in danger of contracting malaria, yellow fever, etc.)
> >
> >Phew, that's a relief, I had these visions, see.
> >
> >Luckily I don't think you can catch malaria or yellow fever by eating
> >mosquitoes, certainly not if you cook them well first. Maybe a tomato
> >sauce would be good?
>
> I'd recommend a lemon-butter sauce.
>
> I remember reading that mosquito larvae were edible, and actually taste
> a bit like trout...
>
> --
More probably, trout taste like mosquito larvae (since the latter are a
major food of trout).
Gary
Oz
<kie...@mw.mediaone.net> writes
>I'd recommend a lemon-butter sauce.
>
>I remember reading that mosquito larvae were edible, and actually taste
>a bit like trout...
I bow to your superior knowledge of these things. :-)
--
Oz
Spunkie199
we had vacationed in canada just outside of toronto. i had never seen
such big mosquitoes in my life.
we were going to sleep in a tent. set it up before dusk. we stayed one night
and slept in the car.
ever get the feeling someones watching you?
well these mosquitoes were glued to the windshield and probably staring at us,
just waiting for nature to call.
the worst part was leaving the windows open a crack so we could breath.
probably took them 10 min. to find the opening.
and they didn't leave when most do.
everytime during the night i would look at the windshield, it was still
covered.
and when morn. came (sunshine) they flew off in a cloud.
that was the last time we ever went there.
kathy z/5
life's a bowl of cherries, but the ' pits ' are hard to swallow !!!
been there, done that, had fun, whats next?
zv...@my-dejanews.com
kie...@mw.mediaone.net (Pat Kiewicz) wrote:
> In article <70quob$6...@news.voyager.net>, wng...@voyager.net says...
> >
> >Pat,
> >
> >Did you have a problem with mosquitos this year? I am in Michigan also, and
> >those people they rarily bite, and when they do it fades away in a matter of
> >minutes, with no serious itching. My brother is the same. The rest of my
> >family however, poor things are mosquito magnets.
> >
> This was not as bad a year as usual, what with the drought. But I live
> a short distance from the semi-stagnant (but much improved) Rouge river.
> I still got bit up picking the fall raspberries, despite the drought.
>
the mosquito situation was excellent until mid-august, when a few storms got
them going. they had to get a whole season of bites done in only a few weeks,
and they did.
> I tend to have allergic reactions, so when they do bite I always get a
> welt. My daughter seems to get bigger welts than I do. I've heard
> that this reaction will decrease after time, if you continue to be
> bitten by the same species of mosquitos. But it seems like we have
> a succession of different mosquitos to keep us itching here in MI.
glad to hear that, because i am still welting. i was in FL over the weekend,
and I got wetls there too.
>
> I remember one fairly wet summer a friend and her kids came back from
> a weekend 'up north' and were absolutely measled with mosquito bites --
> not a good advertisement for Michigan tourism, that...
at least they don't bite at the beach, and mowing the grass real short around
the house hinders them. myself and extended family made it through two weeks
in Beaver Island in early august with hardly a bite.
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olin
this thread. But does anybody have any experience or thoughts on the use of
the American Horticultural Society Heat-Zone classifications? Following is
a brief description I prepared some time ago for a local gardening magazine
article but I really don't have much experience in applying the ratings.
=====================
PLANT HEAT-ZONE RATINGS
The American Horticultural Society has developed a USA Plant Heat-Zone Map
that assigns geographical zones of plant tolerance to heat. The AHS plant
heat-zones complement USDA plant cold-hardiness zones as an additional aid
in plant selection for a given region. As gardeners know, not all plants
that are cold-hardy in USDA zone 9 Phoenix AZ) can withstand our intense
summer heat; it follows that not all plants that are heat-tolerant in the
new AHS heat-zone will also withstand the coldest days in USDA zone 9. But
individual plants meeting both zone ratings for a given region should be
adaptable.
The map defines 12 color-coded zones based on the number of heat-days
occurring annually in each zone. A heat-day occurs when the temperature
exceeds 86 degrees F. The temperature 86 degrees F was chosen because plant
cellular proteins are damaged at temperatures above this point [according to
AHS]. Zone 1 Has no heat-days (mountain ranges and much of Alaska), zone 2
has 1-7 heat-days, zones 3 has 8-14, then it increases in 15 day increments
up to zone 6 and in 30 day increments for the remaining zones. The
temperatures are the 22-year statistical averages recorded from 1974 through
1995. AHS anticipates published plant profiles will include both the USDA
and AHS zone ratings within a few years.
The Sunset zones, which are true climatic zones, will continue to be the
more useful reference for us. The USDA and AHS zones are sensitive to
temperature only and do not include other relevant climatic factors such as
humidity, pH, temperature, exposure, wind, elevation,
coastal-desert-mountain influences, etc.
A full-color poster of the map is available for $14.95 from The American
Horticulture Society, 7931 East Blvd. Dr., Alexandria VA, 22308-1300, by
phone from AHS at 703-768-5700, by phone toll free at 800-777-7931, or on
the web at www.ahs.org.
There is also a book, “Heat-Zone Gardening”, by Dr. H. Marc Cathey, who
coordinated the establishment of the heat-zones. The book contains a
picture gallery, with the temperature profiles, of 460 landscape plants and
herbs. One hundred twenty-five of these plants meet the criteria for both
the USDA and AHS zones for Phoenix. The profiles list only the genus and
does not provide any details for plants with temperature tolerances that are
species dependent. There are also a number of plants that are pretty easy
to grow here that do not meet the heat-zone criteria. List price for the
book is $24.95 but it is available with various discounts at local
bookstores and on the web at www.amazon.com. Possibly the best use of the
heat-zone ratings for our area (Phoenix AZ) is to help identify plants that
are marginally adapted. Existing Sunset climate zone ratings appear to be
more useful for our desert climate than either the USDA or AHS zones
provided the Sunset Plant Encyclopedia is updated often enough to keep up
with new plant introductions.
To reply omit ejk from address.
Olin
Tyler Hopper
>
> In article <3630D9F6...@postoffice.swbell.net>, Tyler Hopper
> <tho...@postoffice.swbell.net> writes
> >
> >Mosquito Festival every year. Whaddaya think?
>
>
> --
> Oz
Hey, sometimes it's eat or be eaten.
StellrJ
>crosses the atlantic from se USA.
Would that be coming from Washington, DC?
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Jason Hernandez
freelance researcher
Have you looked in Darwin's black box lately?
StellrJ
>actually becoming full Zone 11. The past few winters have seemed
>overly warm, and I think many things would have survived that wouldn't
>in years past.
Global Warming: let the good times roll!!
StellrJ
>time of day at anything less than a brisk walk or trot during mosquito
>season.
I know you're going to hate me for this, but the only times I get bitten are
times when I am alone. I was in the Costa Rican rain forest with a group of
people, and was utterly surprised when one of them remarked how bad the
mosquitos were--I had not seen even one! For me, the best mosquito protection
is to go with someone else.
Spunkie199
>>overly warm
>Global Warming: let the good times roll!!
i can handle it if mich. had warmer winters.
kathy lower south east MI
i have a long term memory on a short term basis.
dhall
"snip" (hey, it worked!)
Paradise has a few prices. Personally, I think it sounds better than
shoveling snow in sub zero temps.
>Everything's bigger in the US. You wouldn't be confusing mosquitoes and
>alligators here would you? Oh, silly me, alligators can't fly can they.
>
>--
>Oz
The gators can't fly but the smaller( 4 ft or less) ones can leap. All
sizes can run very fast for short distances, long enough to catch dogs &
humans. I've heard that they can almost catch a horse. They are still
fairly scarce in populated areas and, if no fools feed them, they keep to
themselves. dena
dhall
. As gardeners know,
not all plants
>that are cold-hardy in USDA zone 9 Phoenix AZ) can withstand our intense
>summer heat; it follows that not all plants that are heat-tolerant in the
>new AHS heat-zone will also withstand the coldest days in USDA zone 9. But
>individual plants meeting both zone ratings for a given region should be
>adaptable.
>
>The map defines 12 color-coded zones based on the number of heat-days
>occurring annually in each zone. A heat-day occurs when the temperature
>exceeds 86 degrees F. The temperature 86 degrees F was chosen because
plant
Could you tell me, are they detailed down to counties or regions? My
problem is I'm in a borderline 9a/9b area, but I'm inland and don't get as
much of the gulf breezes in the summer and our humidity is usually in the
mid to high 90's.
dena
dhall
StellrJ wrote in message <19981029135319...@ng145.aol.com>...
>>We are also the receipients of considerable amounts of hot air that
>>crosses the atlantic from se USA.
>
>Would that be coming from Washington, DC?
>
Gary Cooper
On 1 Nov 1998, Spunkie199 wrote:
> >The past few winters have seemed
> >>overly warm
>
> >Global Warming: let the good times roll!!
>
> i can handle it if mich. had warmer winters.
> kathy lower south east MI
>
Yes, but the predicted rise in water levels due to global warming might
not be so good for Michigan.
Gary
Gary Cooper
On Sun, 1 Nov 1998, dhall wrote:
...
> >Everything's bigger in the US. You wouldn't be confusing mosquitoes and
> >alligators here would you? Oh, silly me, alligators can't fly can they.
> >
> >--
> >Oz
>
> The gators can't fly but the smaller( 4 ft or less) ones can leap. All
> sizes can run very fast for short distances, long enough to catch dogs &
> humans. I've heard that they can almost catch a horse.
Maybe they could catch a horse, but they're lousy at riding one, even with
a good saddle.
Gary
od...@my-dejanews.com
"dhall" <dh...@thenuthouse.com> wrote:
AHS map shows state boundaries only. Not as detailed as the USDA maps at
http://www.bhglive.com/gardening/gardmaps.htm which show county boundaries if
you zoom in on the state. -olin.
>
>
> Could you tell me, are they detailed down to counties or regions? My
> problem is I'm in a borderline 9a/9b area, but I'm inland and don't get as
> much of the gulf breezes in the summer and our humidity is usually in the
> mid to high 90's.
> dena
>
>
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Pat Kiewicz
big...@utdallas.edu says...
Oh, we're safely several hundred feet above sea level. I doubt if the
changes in rainfall patterns that might come with global warming will
cause a rise in the lake levels (far more likely that they'll drop).
It would probably mean even gloomier winters, though. Warm winter weather
always comes with constant overcast, in Michigan.
We've just gone throught the warmest September (and probably the warmest
October) on record, but they've also been extremely dry months. People
who haven't been watering regularly here can probably expect to see a
lot of winter-killed evergreens next year.
I don't ever remember having to water my fall vegetables before. Nor have
I ever watered the lawn October, let alone NOVEMBER (but the hose was
out yesterday).
zv...@my-dejanews.com
kie...@mw.mediaone.net (Pat Kiewicz) wrote:
>
> We've just gone throught the warmest September (and probably the warmest
> October) on record, but they've also been extremely dry months. People
> who haven't been watering regularly here can probably expect to see a
> lot of winter-killed evergreens next year.
>
> I don't ever remember having to water my fall vegetables before. Nor have
> I ever watered the lawn October, let alone NOVEMBER (but the hose was
> out yesterday).
But around here the water table is typically only ten feet below. Any full
grown evergreen is not going to suffer much. this said, next year i am going
to mulch everything heavily. i only got a decent spring garden out of the
season. dry shade really limits your choices. i moved all my elderberries,
ferns, and mint to just next to the waterspouts.
StellrJ
>who haven't been watering regularly here can probably expect to see a
>lot of winter-killed evergreens next year.
Funny you should mention that. Here in rainy Washington state, we just had an
exceptionally dry summer, and along the highways I now see numerous
summer-killed evergreens. Never have I seen so many brown-needled trees over
such a wide area.
StellrJ
>fairly scarce in populated areas and, if no fools feed them, they keep to
>themselves.
Lotsa luck on no fools feeding them!!! Feeding the wildilfe is most city
dwellers' idea of being close to nature.
Oz
<ste...@aol.com> writes
>Funny you should mention that. Here in rainy Washington state, we just had an
>exceptionally dry summer, and along the highways I now see numerous
>summer-killed evergreens. Never have I seen so many brown-needled trees over
>such a wide area.
Here in sunny england it's basically been raining solidly for about 6
months. I don't think we have had a day without rain since august, and
where I am we only have about 20"/year anyway. There are floods all over
the place and ducks swimming over my wheat.
So, for the rest of the winter, could you have our rain?
Please.
--
Oz
Spunkie199
>
>Please.
with the drought we had this summer/fall, i would say yes, but here in MI it
would turn to snow, which i hate.
z/5
kathy lower south east MI
in dog years i have died 3 times and now working on the fourth.
Pat Kiewicz
says...
>
>>So, for the rest of the winter, could you have our rain?
>>
>>Please.
>
>with the drought we had this summer/fall, i would say yes, but here in MI
it
>would turn to snow, which i hate.
You should try to love it -- think of it as mulch. A good, snowy winter
is far better for your perennial plants (which includes asparagus) than
snow-free weather. And a layer of slowly melting snow will retard
spring growth. I remember reading recently about piling snow around
the base of an apricot tree to prevent them from blooming dangerously
early. Plus, snow sets off the colors of cardinals and bluejays so nicely!
Toni Edwards
kie...@mw.mediaone.net says...
(snipped article about snow)
>You should try to love it -- think of it as mulch. A good, snowy
winter
>is far better for your perennial plants (which includes asparagus) than
>snow-free weather. And a layer of slowly melting snow will retard
>spring growth. I remember reading recently about piling snow around
>the base of an apricot tree to prevent them from blooming dangerously
>early. Plus, snow sets off the colors of cardinals and bluejays so
nicely!
>
>--
>Pat in Plymouth MI
>NOTICE!! To hit my personal mailbox, please put the letter 'p' in front
of
>the 'kiewicz' when replying by e-mail.
That's right, when life hands you lemons, make lemonade. But it's really
out of season for that. Go figure.
Toni
--
To reply by e-mail, remove the spam.
Spam isn't fit to eat, let alone read.
Spunkie199
its not really the snow i hate, its what happens after it melts and
freezes.
ICE!!!!!
i have fallen many times because of it, amd so far nothing serious has
happened, but how long my luck will hold?
if it would just stay snow, and not ICE i wouldn't care how much we got.
FarmerDill
>Here in sunny england it's basically been raining solidly for about 6
>months. I don't think we have had a day without rain since august, and
>where I am we only have about 20"/year anyway. There are floods all over
>the place and ducks swimming over my wheat.
>
>
>Please.
>
>Oz
Oz;
If you just store and deliver next summer, I 'll take it. We had lots of rain
last winter, but virtually none from may to present. Hot aand dry has real
meaning to farmers but the TV weather forecasters crow about being above annual
rainfall. For us its not so much how much as it is when.
Dill (in Georgia where the snow never falls, and the evening shade isn't cool)
D
Oz
<farme...@aol.com> writes
>
>If you just store and deliver next summer, I 'll take it. We had lots of rain
>last winter, but virtually none from may to present.
See, I said you had pinched our dry weather. <gruff>
>Hot aand dry has real
>meaning to farmers
Indeed very so. However just now most of my neighbours are trying to
finish sowing, about 1 month later than they should have. The cause?
RAIN!!! :-)
>but the TV weather forecasters crow about being above annual
>rainfall. For us its not so much how much as it is when.
Our TV weatherforcasters specialise in getting it wrong.
>Dill (in Georgia where the snow never falls, and the evening shade isn't cool)
Oz in the UK, where the sun rarely shines and you need an overcoat even
when it does.
--
Oz