man arrested for compost pile
rachael simpson
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/palmbeach/sfl-0801horsemanure,0,881138.story
http://www.thehorse.com/ViewArticle.aspx?ID=10117
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Florida Man Arrested for Illegally Composting Horse Manure
by: Erin Ryder, News Editor
August 01 2007 Article # 10117
A Loxahatchee Groves, Fla., man has been arrested by authorities with
the Florida Department of Environmental Protection because he had
allegedly collected around 20,000 cubic yards of horse manure, the South
Florida Sun-Sentinel reported.
Agents said the man, Walter Duque, accepted horse manure for composting.
Permits to compost or store manure are required by state law, and
approved facilities are inspected to ensure no laws protecting
groundwater are being broken, the Sun-Sentinel reported.
According to the report, Duque had mounds of manure covering several
acres of his property. Some piles were 15 feet tall.
Neighbors complaining of the smell tipped off the authorities, who gave
Duque three misdemeanor citations. His penalties could include $30,000
in fines and up to 18 months in jail, the Sun-Sentinel reported.
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article by the Sun-Sentinel:
Loxahatchee Groves man arrested for illegally stockpiling horse manure
By Joel Hood | South Florida Sun-Sentinel
Law enforcement officers with the Florida Department of Environmental
Protection have arrested a Loxahatchee Groves man for illegally
stockpiling about 20,000 cubic yards of horse manure on his property.
Walter Duque received three misdemeanor citations for the violations,
which could result in up to 18 months in jail and $30,000 in fines.
"Environmental crimes, like illegal composting and manure storage, can
potentially harm our natural resources and impact our quality of life,
and will not be tolerated," said Henry Barnet, director of the agency's
law enforcement division, said in a released statement. "Enforcing
Florida's laws, particularly those that protect our environment, is an
important part of DEP's mission."
Agents began investigating Duque after receiving complaints from
neighbors about growing piles of manure on his property and the foul
odors wafting through the neighborhood. Investigators suspect the man
has been accepting loads of horse manure from nearby communities and
illegally composting the waste without permits. Mounds of manure as tall
as 15 feet covered several acres on the property.
The state requires special permits for composting and storing horse
manure. Those permits require specific nutrient and stormwater
management plans to help protect ground and surface water. Composting
facilities are also inspected regularly to ensure compliance with all
state laws.
Cheryl Isaak
any of my daylily hybridizing buddies of yore.
There surely defines a heap of sh*t.
C
Usene...@the-domain-in.sig
raeann...@intrstar.net says...
> did y'all hear about this?
>
> http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/palmbeach/sfl-0801horsemanure,0,881138.story
>
> http://www.thehorse.com/ViewArticle.aspx?ID=10117
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> Florida Man Arrested for Illegally Composting Horse Manure
> by: Erin Ryder, News Editor
> August 01 2007 Article # 10117
>
> A Loxahatchee Groves, Fla., man has been arrested by authorities with
> the Florida Department of Environmental Protection because he had
> allegedly collected around 20,000 cubic yards of horse manure, the South
> Florida Sun-Sentinel reported.
You wanna have your drinking water supply - well or stream -
downhill from that?
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Cheryl Isaak
"Usene...@THE-DOMAIN-IN.SIG" <Usene...@THE-DOMAIN-IN.SIG> wrote:
> In article <46b50bfa$1...@news.intrstar.net>,
> raeann...@intrstar.net says...
>> did y'all hear about this?
>>
>> http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/palmbeach/sfl-0801horsemanure,0,881138
>> .story
>>
>> http://www.thehorse.com/ViewArticle.aspx?ID=10117
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>> Florida Man Arrested for Illegally Composting Horse Manure
>> by: Erin Ryder, News Editor
>> August 01 2007 Article # 10117
>>
>> A Loxahatchee Groves, Fla., man has been arrested by authorities with
>> the Florida Department of Environmental Protection because he had
>> allegedly collected around 20,000 cubic yards of horse manure, the South
>> Florida Sun-Sentinel reported.
>
>
> You wanna have your drinking water supply - well or stream -
> downhill from that?
>
Hell no, but surely you can see the funny side!
rachael simpson
my question is: if he's in jail, then who had to clean up the mess?? I
sure wouldn't want that job. Another news report on it said that it
would take at least 10 farm (dump) trucks to haul it off. These articles
said some of the piles were 15 foot high....don't you know that's a mess
to have to load up? AVALANCHE!!! lol
JoeSpareBedroom
news:46b50bfa$1...@news.intrstar.net...
> did y'all hear about this?
>
> http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/palmbeach/sfl-0801horsemanure,0,881138.story
>
> http://www.thehorse.com/ViewArticle.aspx?ID=10117
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> Florida Man Arrested for Illegally Composting Horse Manure
> by: Erin Ryder, News Editor
> August 01 2007 Article # 10117
>
> A Loxahatchee Groves, Fla., man has been arrested by authorities with the
> Florida Department of Environmental Protection because he had allegedly
> collected around 20,000 cubic yards of horse manure, the South Florida
> Sun-Sentinel reported.
Good. If the idiot had simply read a grownup newspaper perhaps once every
week for the past 10 years, he might've noticed steps that many hog farmers
now have to take, in order to compost manure without turning it into a
public hazard because of the quantitites concentrated in one place.
Idiots *should* be arrested and made to feel financial pain.
Dave
news:1Tjti.13471$B25....@news01.roc.ny...
"Hog farmers". How does one plant a hog?
':)
Dave
Glenna Rose
>Cheryl Isaak wrote:
>> On 8/5/07 1:22 AM, in article MPG.211eec32b...@nntp.aioe.org,
>> "Usene...@THE-DOMAIN-IN.SIG" <Usene...@THE-DOMAIN-IN.SIG> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <46b50bfa$1...@news.intrstar.net>,
>>> raeann...@intrstar.net says...
>>>>
>>>>
>http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/palmbeach/sfl-0801horsemanure,0,881138
>>>> .story
>>>>
>>>> http://www.thehorse.com/ViewArticle.aspx?ID=10117
>>>>
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> Florida Man Arrested for Illegally Composting Horse Manure
>>>> by: Erin Ryder, News Editor
>>>> August 01 2007 Article # 10117
>>>>
>>>> A Loxahatchee Groves, Fla., man has been arrested by authorities with
>>>> the Florida Department of Environmental Protection because he had
>>>> allegedly collected around 20,000 cubic yards of horse manure, the
>South
>>>> Florida Sun-Sentinel reported.
>>>
>>> downhill from that?
>>>
>> Hell no, but surely you can see the funny side!
>>
>
>my question is: if he's in jail, then who had to clean up the mess?? I
>sure wouldn't want that job. Another news report on it said that it
>would take at least 10 farm (dump) trucks to haul it off. These articles
>said some of the piles were 15 foot high....don't you know that's a mess
>to have to load up? AVALANCHE!!! lol
<g> Well, if they just leave it, the "problem" will correct itselt. Can
you imagine how many earthworms would be working away in there by the end
of a year or two? Bet they would number in the millions. And the soil
five years from now would be beyond anything we usually have in our own
gardens.
Wonder if the guy ever hear of the expression, "Too much of a good thing
... "
Tell you though, I really question the "15 feet high" claim, maybe piles
of that diameter, but he likely didn't drive up on it to dump it off the
edge for piles that high. Also, my observation from having had a dump
truck of steer manure delivered is if ten trucks can haul it off, it
really wasn't that much. My "regular" garden area is about 30 by 60; it
would take at least five dump truck loads to cover that two feet deep so
it appears that something is wrong with their reporting. But, of course,
reporters never get anything wrong! A report here said "newspapers
stacked within three feet of the ceiling" in an attempt to make the man
look bad, three feet from a 7-foot ceiling is considerably different than
three feet from a vaulted ceiling - real exact reporting that was.
My question is, what was the guy planning to do with all that manure?
Maybe he was preparing a statement to deliver to their local governing
agency about something? One can wonder. It is Florida, after all. <g>
Glenna
>
JoeSpareBedroom
news:13bbqfh...@corp.supernews.com...
Hey....that's what I've heard them call themselves.
I think I'd try rooting cuttings, if I were raising hogs.
Billy Rose
gle...@pmug.org (Glenna Rose) wrote:
Maybe he was going to leave it "in memorial" of the Bush Administration.
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zxcvbob
"At least 10 dump trucks" is a lot less than 20000 cubic yards. A
standard dump truck holds 6 cubic yards, and the big ones hold 12. So
maybe he had 100 yards of it.
I would get 2 or 3 yards of horse manure if I could, just for my little
garden. It doesn't stink nearly as bad as pig or chicken.
Bob
FragileWarrior
news:5hmttrF...@mid.individual.net:
Depends on the freshness of it. If it's fresh and in large amounts, it
can be pretty funky. Still better than chicken or pig, true, but I
happen to like horses and everything about them -- even the smell of
their shi... er... manure.
William Wagner
zxcvbob <zxc...@charter.net> wrote:
I've had 20 loads of wood chips in the last six month. One neighbor
suggested I was causing the area to look amiss. I said GF.
Bill
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rachael simpson
Yeah, I get that. I know the numbers don't add up...I deal with horse
manure, and I deal with farm dump trucks. I know what the trucks hold. I
also wonder how he got it to be the reported 15 ft high... Here's
another article, this one reports that it would fill 1,000 trucks (can
we ever believe what is reported these days?! lol):
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Man accused keeping a 15-foot manure pile faces jail
By KELLY WOLFE
Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, August 01, 2007
LOXAHATCHEE GROVES — A Loxahatchee Groves man faces 18 months in jail
and $30,000 in fines for storing 15-feet of manure on his Loxahatchee
property, said the Florida Department of Environmental Protection
Wednesday. Walter Duque was arrested and charged with one count of
processing solid waste without a permit, one count of operating a
compost facility without a permit, and one count of illegal siting of a
solid waste facility. Those are each misdeamenors carrying a $10,000
fine and six months in jail.
The DEP received complaints about Duque's manure pile in 2002. Duque was
told to get the required permits from the Palm Beach County Health
Department. But he didn't, said Stephen Webster, a spokesman with the
DEP. DEP agents discovered 20,000 cubic yards of manure of Duque's
property — enough to fill 1,000 dump trucks, Webster said.
DEP requires special permits for composting and storing horse manure.
Those permits require specific nutrient and stormwater management plans
to help protect ground and surface water. Composting facilities are also
inspected regularly by DEP to ensure compliance with all state laws.
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/content/west/epaper/2007/08/01/0801POOP.html?cxtype=rss&cxsvc=7&cxcat=73
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What you reckon the government will do with it once it's cleaned up?
Sell it for profits, trash pile (waste management), or give it to some
big name ag company?
zxcvbob
> What you reckon the government will do with it once it's cleaned up?
> Sell it for profits, trash pile (waste management), or give it to some
> big name ag company?
Probably incinerate it (as expensively as possible) or send it to a
landfill -- and then try to send Mr. Duque the bill for it.
Bob
Ann
>I would get 2 or 3 yards of horse manure if I could, just for my little
>garden. It doesn't stink nearly as bad as pig or chicken.
Too many weed seeds in horse manure, they don't ruminate. Stick to
cow manure. Chicken is great provided it's well-composted. Pig
manure? Yuck!
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South of Boston, Massachusetts
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FragileWarrior
4ax.com:
> zxcvbob <zxc...@charter.net> expounded:
>
>>I would get 2 or 3 yards of horse manure if I could, just for my little
>>garden. It doesn't stink nearly as bad as pig or chicken.
>
> Too many weed seeds in horse manure, they don't ruminate. Stick to
> cow manure.
On the other hand, my draft nicely planted flax in the pasture for me
before I realized I had to grind his daily dose of Omega3.
Ann
>On the other hand, my draft nicely planted flax in the pasture for me
>before I realized I had to grind his daily dose of Omega3.
LOL! It's a lovely weed, though, isn't it? :o)
FragileWarrior
4ax.com:
> FragileWarrior <FragileWarrior@f'loonsmustdie.com> expounded:
>
>>On the other hand, my draft nicely planted flax in the pasture for me
>>before I realized I had to grind his daily dose of Omega3.
>
> LOL! It's a lovely weed, though, isn't it? :o)
I love it. I'm going to spread it* far and wide before I leave here. Any
blue flower is a good flower in my book.
*from the 50# of unused seeds I have
FarmI
> zxcvbob <zxc...@charter.net> expounded:
>
>>I would get 2 or 3 yards of horse manure if I could, just for my little
>>garden. It doesn't stink nearly as bad as pig or chicken.
>
> Too many weed seeds in horse manure, they don't ruminate. Stick to
> cow manure.
Too generalised advice.
I use massive amounts of horse manure and have never found weeds to be a
problem. The odd weed comes up but because the manure does such a fantastic
job in improving the soil, the few weeds that do grow are very easy to pull
out.
Because we breed cattle, I also use lots of cow manure and my experieince is
that I get more weeds from the cow manure than I do from the horse manure.
It's all about the surface of the drop zone. The horse manure comes from
horses that don't poop on pasture. The poop is all collected from clean
ground. The cow poop I collect off our pasture and because the poop drops
straight on pasture with seeds that are all "weeds" when in my garden, then
I bring in weedseeds with the cow poop. If I used poop collected from the
floor of a dairy then I wouldn't have weeds from the cow poop.
Weeds will grow whether brought in with poop or brought in by wind or birds.
There is no escape from weeding.
Cheryl Isaak
"Ann" <ann...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> FragileWarrior <FragileWarrior@f'loonsmustdie.com> expounded:
>
>> On the other hand, my draft nicely planted flax in the pasture for me
>> before I realized I had to grind his daily dose of Omega3.
>
> LOL! It's a lovely weed, though, isn't it? :o)
Yes, I wouldn't mind that for a weed!
Ann
>"Ann" <ann...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
>> zxcvbob <zxc...@charter.net> expounded:
>>
>>>I would get 2 or 3 yards of horse manure if I could, just for my little
>>>garden. It doesn't stink nearly as bad as pig or chicken.
>>
>> Too many weed seeds in horse manure, they don't ruminate. Stick to
>> cow manure.
>
>Too generalised advice.
>
No, it's my experience. Yours is different.
>I use massive amounts of horse manure and have never found weeds to be a
>problem. The odd weed comes up but because the manure does such a fantastic
>job in improving the soil, the few weeds that do grow are very easy to pull
>out.
>
I used horse manure on my gardens once. I got the same smartweed all
over everything. Never again.
>Because we breed cattle, I also use lots of cow manure and my experieince is
>that I get more weeds from the cow manure than I do from the horse manure.
>
Cows ruminate and grind up weed seeds. Some of the cow manure I get
is from a dairy farmer, I have never had a huge problem with weeds
from that manure. The other manure is from a farmer that has cattle
and goats. Again no massive wee problem.
>It's all about the surface of the drop zone. The horse manure comes from
>horses that don't poop on pasture. The poop is all collected from clean
>ground. The cow poop I collect off our pasture and because the poop drops
>straight on pasture with seeds that are all "weeds" when in my garden, then
>I bring in weedseeds with the cow poop. If I used poop collected from the
>floor of a dairy then I wouldn't have weeds from the cow poop.
>
The manure itself is the problem, as I said, cows ruminate, horses
shoot it straight through. The fact that it might sit in a field and
collect windblown weed seeds still isn't going to make up for unground
seeds in the manure.
>Weeds will grow whether brought in with poop or brought in by wind or birds.
>There is no escape from weeding.
>
No kidding. But why increase the weeds when it can be avoided? You
like horse manure? Fine. I won't use it in my flower gardens. Maybe
in the veggie garden, but why bother when I've had better experience
with cow manure?