Home Depot trees
julie
For the first time in my life I am buying trees, specifically fruit
and probably citrus.
Is Home Depot any good for this? There are a number of terrific
nurseries around here but it is a matter of time not money, if there
is even a difference. I am not sure. I was kind of caught by surprise
here.
What do you all say?
Take care,
Julie in SFBA
Thos
only sell fruit trees in the spring. Their trees are fine, but you may find
a limited selection of varieties. I've bought peach , pears and figs from
HD and they have always been fine. But now you have me curious.....it's a
matter of time and not money?
What's the rush? (if you care to elaborate)
"julie" <julie...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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David E. Ross
I might buy tools, fertilizers, and other supplies at a hardware store
or lumber yard; but I alway buy my plants from a nursery. Hardware
stores and lumber yards generally fail to give live plants proper care
while waiting to sell them. In fact, few such stores even employ people
who know how to care for live plants.
If "SFBA" means San Francisco Bay area, forget the citrus. It will grow
and thrive, but you are unlikely to get enough heat to ripen the fruit
properly.
If you are buying deciduous fruit trees, wait until they are available
bare root (about January). Bare root trees generally adapt to your
native soil better than canned trees. (The same is true with roses, but
few (if any) nurseries sell bare root roses any more.)
Also, be sure that the varieties that you buy is indeed suitable for
your climate. Commercial varieties of apple, pear, and the stone fruits
(e.g., peaches) generally need more winter chill than is found in much
of the Bay area. However, non-commercial varieties of many fruits --
often better tasting -- are available for mild-winter areas.
--
David E. Ross
Climate: California Mediterranean
Sunset Zone: 21 -- interior Santa Monica Mountains with some ocean
influence (USDA 10a, very close to Sunset Zone 19)
Gardening diary at <http://www.rossde.com/garden/diary>
sherwin dubren
I can relate one experience of mine. Two years ago, I purchased what
was labeled as a Belle of Georgia Peach. It soon developed fruit, but
the flesh was yellow, instead of white. My guess is that it is a
Elberta Peach. Out of curiosity, I tried to trace this tree from Home
Depot. It seems like this tree went through about two or three levels
before Home Depot sold it. The exact identity of the tree could not
be verified. It is a healthy tree, just not what I was expecting.
True, you can get some bargains at Home Depot and other big box
stores, but be aware of the risks involved.
That was probably the last tree I will purchase from a big box. When
I was first getting into growing fruit, I purchased five trees from
Frank's Nursery, who went out of business in my area. A few of them
survived, but some grew larger than I wanted.
As I got more into fruit trees, I discovered the best and most
reliable trees were orderable on the internet as young whips. These
trees grow rapidly and catch up in a year or two to the ones you see
sold in local nurseries and big box stores. There are several good
suppliers, like Raintree Nursery and Tree's of Antiquity out there.
The advantage of ordering from them is they carry many uncommon
varieties not found locally. They grow their own trees, with no
middle men involved. You can be almost certain that the better ones
of these nurseries are accurate on the rootstock (determines final
size of the tree). If you were expecting a tree to grow to 10 or so
feet, you won't be surprised when it grows many feet higher. I grow
mostly semi-dwarfs on rootstock like Bud 9 that produces apple trees
about 12 feet high. If I had to do it over again, I would have bought
the very small trees on M27 that grow about 6 feet tall. You don't
get as much fruit on a dwarf, but maintenance is much easier, and the
trees yield fruit sooner than a full size tree. There are some
nurseries that I avoid simply because they do not specify their
rootstock, just calling it a dwarf of semi-dwarf. Starks and
Millers are two of these that come to mind. They plant their own
stock, but on an assembly line basis, so they cannot track each tree.
If you want to grow some unusual and very tasty fruit that you can't
find in your supermarket, look at these heritage fruits. Visit a
fruit fair in your area where you can taste these unusual fruits
and be sure to pick one that is compatible with your climate zone.
Sherwin
The Ranger
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> If "SFBA" means San Francisco Bay area, forget the citrus. It will grow
> and thrive, but you are unlikely to get enough heat to ripen the fruit
> properly.
Really? My six citrus (Mandarin orange, Valencia orange, Tangelo, both Meyer
lemons, and the Star Ruby grapefruit), and every neighbor I see with citrus
trees in their front yards, disprove this every season.
I'll also include my nectarine, pear, apple, and persimmon but I understand
that those aren't citrus.
All the saplings came from Home Despost but I've forgotten when I purchased
them; fall I think when they pack 'em in like sardines in their nursery
areas. They've been amazingly hardy, were all on sale when I purchased them,
and came from a variety of sources.
The Ranger
SFBA
Zone 9
DEM
<<soft polite snip>>>
> As I got more into fruit trees, I discovered the best and most
> reliable trees were orderable on the internet as young whips. These
> trees grow rapidly and catch up in a year or two to the ones you see
> sold in local nurseries and big box stores. There are several good
> suppliers, like Raintree Nursery and Tree's of Antiquity out there.
I've bought from Raintree Nursery and their fruit trees have grown
have grown 2-3 feet this summer. The nursery is in my state so I knew
they would grow well here. That, I think, makes a huge difference in
how well fruit trees grow. They're semi-dwarf apple and cherry. I had
blossoms on them this year but they didn't develop. Next year? Maybe
one will!
Donna
in WA
Karen
> I don't know about the SFBA, but the Home Depot's around the Dallas, Tx area
> only sell fruit trees in the spring. Their trees are fine, but you may find
> a limited selection of varieties. I've bought peach , pears and figs from
> HD and they have always been fine. But now you have me curious.....it's a
> matter of time and not money?
> What's the rush? (if you care to elaborate)
I thought that fall was the best time to plant trees? The fruit trees
are hitting Orchard Supply now, too.
Karen
sherwin dubren
> <<soft polite snip>>>
>
>> As I got more into fruit trees, I discovered the best and most
>> reliable trees were orderable on the internet as young whips. These
>> trees grow rapidly and catch up in a year or two to the ones you see
>> sold in local nurseries and big box stores. There are several good
>> suppliers, like Raintree Nursery and Tree's of Antiquity out there.
>
> I've bought from Raintree Nursery and their fruit trees have grown
> have grown 2-3 feet this summer. The nursery is in my state so I knew
> they would grow well here. That, I think, makes a huge difference in
> how well fruit trees grow. They're semi-dwarf apple and cherry. I had
> blossoms on them this year but they didn't develop. Next year? Maybe
> one will!
I have a few of their trees and they do very well here in my part
of the Midwest(zone 5, Chicago area)
Make sure you have the proper pollinators for the apple and cherry.
I don't think buying locally in your case has given much of an
advantage. California also has varying climate zones, so I think
the soil they were grown in would be a bigger factor.
Anyone interested in finding a good nursery should check references
from Nafex (North American Fruit Explorers) or Midfex (Midwest
Fruit Explorer, www.midfex.org) where you find recommended vendors.
Sherwin
Patty Winter
In article <8dea7669-1c39-464f...@13g2000prl.googlegroups.com>,
Karen <kso...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Oct 8, 1:56�pm, "Thos" <tomin...@peoplepc.com> wrote:
>> I don't know about the SFBA, but the Home Depot's around the Dallas, Tx area
>> only sell fruit trees in the spring.
>
Patty Winter
In article <4aec7e5d$0$1662$742e...@news.sonic.net>,
Whoops, sorry, hit the "send" key too soon.
I was going to say that we here in the Bay Area have a different
sense of planting seasons than people in many other parts of the
country. :-) I, too, am getting ready to do some planting--just
as my friends in Michigan are putting away their garden tools
for the next few months.
Patty
julie
> In article <4aec7e5d$0$1662$742ec...@news.sonic.net>,
> Patty Winter <pat...@wintertime.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> >In article <8dea7669-1c39-464f-87f4-d9e8c3143...@13g2000prl.googlegroups.com>,
> >Karen <ksoa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>On Oct 8, 1:56 pm, "Thos" <tomin...@peoplepc.com> wrote:
> >>> I don't know about the SFBA, but the Home Depot's around the Dallas, Tx area
> >>> only sell fruit trees in the spring.
>
> >>I thought that fall was the best time to plant trees? The fruit trees
> >>are hitting Orchard Supply now, too.
>
> Whoops, sorry, hit the "send" key too soon.
>
> I was going to say that we here in the Bay Area have a different
> sense of planting seasons than people in many other parts of the
> country. :-) I, too, am getting ready to do some planting--just
> as my friends in Michigan are putting away their garden tools
> for the next few months.
>
> Patty
Thanks, everyone, for all your helpful advice. I took it all to heart
as we searched for trees to plant. Look for new post on what we ended
up with.
Thanks again,
Julie in SFBA
sherwin dubren
box stores are less than usefel.
In Menards today, the clerk told me that most peach trees need another
polinator, whereas apples are mostly self fertile. She got things
backwards.
She also mentioned that apples could be pollinated by pears, plums,
etc. She better go back to fruit trees 101 before she gives out
false information like that.
Sherwin
brooklyn1
>julie wrote:
>>
>> For the first time in my life I am buying trees, specifically fruit
>> and probably citrus.
>>
>> Is Home Depot any good for this? There are a number of terrific
>> nurseries around here but it is a matter of time not money, if there
>> is even a difference. I am not sure. I was kind of caught by surprise
>> here.
How does time come into play... same time to plant stock from one
nursery or another... and of course money comes into play, who do you
think you're fooling, that's the main reason for buying anything from
big box stores, it costs less. And what surprise?!?!?
>> What do you all say?
>
> You better know what you are doing because the staff at these big
> box stores are less than usefel.
You had best know what you're doing before buying nursery stock
anywhere... there is no chance that the staff at any retail nursery is
more useful than at another unless one has had personal experience
with a particular staff member's expertise... except that in my
experience I've found the staff at the big box store nurseries to be
far more accomodating with schlepping and loading. I don't
necessarily rely on retail nursery worker's plant expertise, that's my
responsibility to learn prior to shopping.
> In Menards today, the clerk told me that most peach trees need another
> polinator, whereas apples are mostly self fertile. She got things
> backwards.
>
> She also mentioned that apples could be pollinated by pears, plums,
> etc. She better go back to fruit trees 101 before she gives out
> false information like that.
>
>
Why would a clerk come out of nowhere with that kind of information,
and if you already know the answers to your questions that makes you
grossly disingenuous. Your story is not believeable, it sounds like
something made up by someone with a grudge against the big box
emporiums. Plants would be labeled with planting instructions and
typically fruit tree tags list pollinating requirements. Someone with
a degree in horticulture wouldn't be schlepping plants around any
retail nursery. Anyone considering growing fruit should educate
themselves about what to plant and how before ever visiting any plant
nursery. Folks don't go to Lowes to learn horticulture anymore than
they do to learn heating and cooling... occasionally one will by pure
accident encounter an employee with expert knowlege but at the wages
paid at any retail nursery I'd not count on it... one can learn all
they need to know about fruit trees on the net. Folks shop at big box
stores to save money regardless what they buy, they should have
already armed themselves with the knowlege required for what to
choose. If one is too lazy to do research on their own they can
always go to the dedicated plant nurseries where they'll pay twice as
much and still will be just as likely to receive incorrect
information, probably more likely, becaue places that charge more are
more likely to not admit not knowing so would dispense BS instead. In
my experience the help at the big box nurseries have no more
horticultural knowlege than what anyone can read on the plant tag,
anytime I've asked a more technical question they've said I don't
know... can't get more honest. Retail plant nurseries pay little more
than minimum wage... no education is required to schlepp plants, bales
of planting medium, and watering hoses about. However the nursery
stock at either is exactly the same, comes from the same local
wholesalers/growers. Also the big box stores don't hassle folks about
returns whereas the independant nurseries typically institute all
sorts of escape clauses for not replacing plants or returning full
purchase price. Another point to consider is that the typical
independant retail nursery buys all their stock in one fell swoop in
order to take advantage of bulk discounts... that same stock sits in
what is virtually a parking lot the entire season hoping for a buyer,
it gets sun, it hopefully gets watered regularly, it gets knocked
about by folks looking, and the nicest specimens are sold right away
and not replaced... what's left doesn't go into the ground until
someone buys and plants it. Whereas the big box stores are gigantic
accounts, they get freshly dug shipments weekly, even daily. It's
pretty silly not to shop the big box nurseries first, especially for
newbies like the OP who really have no business purchasing the more
costly less common plants until they gain some experience, at least
enough experience not to need to ask the nursery help about
pollinating.
There is lots of info available about fruit trees but it's best to
research ones own area.
http://www.hort.purdue.edu/ext/pollination.html
sherwin dubren
We were discussing various topics about prices of trees at different
stores. She volunteered the information about pollination
requirements. I merely corrected her.
> and if you already know the answers to your questions that makes you
> grossly disingenuous.
You are an idiot.
Your story is not believeable, it sounds like
> something made up by someone with a grudge against the big box
> emporiums.
Oh sure. I'm on a real vendetta against big box sellers.
Again, you are a big idiot.
Plants would be labeled with planting instructions and
> typically fruit tree tags list pollinating requirements.
What planet are you on?
Someone with
> a degree in horticulture wouldn't be schlepping plants around any
> retail nursery. Anyone considering growing fruit should educate
> themselves about what to plant and how before ever visiting any plant
> nursery. Folks don't go to Lowes to learn horticulture anymore than
> they do to learn heating and cooling... occasionally one will by pure
> accident encounter an employee with expert knowlege but at the wages
> paid at any retail nursery I'd not count on it... one can learn all
> they need to know about fruit trees on the net. Folks shop at big box
> stores to save money regardless what they buy,
I shop at big box stores for items I think are a good value. Fruit
trees are something I think people should be aware of the possibility
of getting something they didn't expect.
they should have
> already armed themselves with the knowlege required for what to
> choose. If one is too lazy to do research on their own they can
> always go to the dedicated plant nurseries where they'll pay twice as
> much and still will be just as likely to receive incorrect
> information
Much less likely since nursery people are dedicated to that business
and they don't hire temporary workers, as a general rule.
, probably more likely, becaue places that charge more are
> more likely to not admit not knowing so would dispense BS instead. In
> my experience the help at the big box nurseries have no more
> horticultural knowlege than what anyone can read on the plant tag,
> anytime I've asked a more technical question they've said I don't
> know... can't get more honest. Retail plant nurseries pay little more
> than minimum wage... no education is required to schlepp plants, bales
> of planting medium, and watering hoses about.
I don't shop at local nurseries for plants I can buy on the web for
much less money. The nursery people are not experts, but they
know a lot more than the big box people.
However the nursery
> stock at either is exactly the same, comes from the same local
> wholesalers/growers. Also the big box stores don't hassle folks about
> returns whereas the independant nurseries typically institute all
> sorts of escape clauses for not replacing plants or returning full
> purchase price.
Strange, I recall you toting the advantage of buying big trees from
your local nursery. Sounds like you have some problems with one
of them.
Another point to consider is that the typical
> independant retail nursery buys all their stock in one fell swoop in
> order to take advantage of bulk discounts... that same stock sits in
> what is virtually a parking lot the entire season hoping for a buyer,
> it gets sun, it hopefully gets watered regularly, it gets knocked
> about by folks looking, and the nicest specimens are sold right away
> and not replaced... what's left doesn't go into the ground until
> someone buys and plants it. Whereas the big box stores are gigantic
> accounts, they get freshly dug shipments weekly, even daily. It's
> pretty silly not to shop the big box nurseries first, especially for
> newbies like the OP who really have no business purchasing the more
> costly less common plants until they gain some experience, at least
> enough experience not to need to ask the nursery help about
> pollinating.
I did not ask for help on pollination, but tried to correct some
statements made by a big box clerk. I think the care issues you
mentioned apply equally to nurseries and big box. I have seen
tree stock from big box stores that looked pretty sad and eventually
was put on sale at the end of the season, to clear it out.
>
> There is lots of info available about fruit trees but it's best to
> research ones own area.
>
> http://www.hort.purdue.edu/ext/pollination.html
You talk like there are only two sources of fruit trees. Local
nurseries and big box stores. I think the best choice is a
reliable out of town nursery. The selection is way bigger
when you deal with the whole country. I find for reliable tagging,
that can only be found at specific nurseries where they
grow their own trees from scratch. The better nurseries can tell
you exactly what rootstocks you are getting, not some ambiguous
label like semi-dwarf. Sure, you can get a better deal at a big
box store, but you can never be sure about what you are buying.
Most of the nurseries in my area (Chicago) are way too expensive.
I buy whips or benchmark trees that arrive in great shape and
adopt nicely to my backyard.
Sherwin
>
>
>
>
sueb
>
> - Show quoted text -
Find a local nursery who can advise you on what varieties grow best in
your particular microclimate.
But...most importantly, if you are planting stone fruit - WAIT. Bare
root season is right around the corner and you can get trees much
cheaper then. Starting in December, the nursery will be filled with
bare root fruit trees. If the local nursery that you find has helpful
employees, they will order the varieties you want as bare root stock.
The Sunset garden book has listings of different cultivars if you
don't already have a favorite. You *do* have a Sunset garden book,
don't you?
Good luck,
Susan B.
gardengal
> sherwin dubren wrote:
> >julie wrote:
>
> Someone with
> a degree in horticulture wouldn't be schlepping plants around any
> retail nursery.
> Retail plant nurseries pay little more
> than minimum wage... no education is required to schlepp plants, bales
> of planting medium, and watering hoses about. However the nursery
> stock at either is exactly the same, comes from the same local
> wholesalers/growers. Also the big box stores don't hassle folks about
> returns whereas the independant nurseries typically institute all
> sorts of escape clauses for not replacing plants or returning full
> purchase price. Another point to consider is that the typical
> independant retail nursery buys all their stock in one fell swoop in
> order to take advantage of bulk discounts... that same stock sits in
> what is virtually a parking lot the entire season hoping for a buyer,
> it gets sun, it hopefully gets watered regularly, it gets knocked
> about by folks looking, and the nicest specimens are sold right away
> and not replaced... what's left doesn't go into the ground until
> someone buys and plants it. Whereas the big box stores are gigantic
> accounts, they get freshly dug shipments weekly, even daily.
What you don't know or are misinformed about retail nurseries is
rather astonishing!!
Many retail nurseries and garden centers pride themselves on having
well-educated and highly trained personnel on staff. In fact, many
state nursery and landscape professional associations offer
professional certfication programs that require knowledge and training
equivalent to a 2 year hort degree that a great many retail garden
centers and nurseries take advantage of. I actually teach classes for
this certfication program in my area. We graduate several dozen CPH's
(Certified Professional Horticulturists) each session, the bulk of
which are nursery employees. And minimum wages are paid only to
seasonal part time staff, those who do the unloading of trucks,
schlepping of plants to cars and hauling sacks of soil amendments. We
don't even let these folks - generally high school or college students
looking for a summer job - water plants, as that takes knowledge and a
skill level these guys don't have.
Having been in both the retail and wholesale nursery industry for many
years, I think I can speak to the buying habits of retail nurseries,
at least the ones here on the west coast..... I was a buyer for a
number of years. They DO NOT bring in all their stock at once. Weekly
delivers from various vendors occur throughout the season but some
plant offerings - like many fruit trees - tend to be very seasonal and
the bulk are brought in very early in the season, often when dormant.
As they are sold off, they are replaced with fresh stock, if that
stock is still available. And the care plants receive at retail
nurseries far exceeds what is provided at any box store - unless you
purchase something at a box that is within days of its arrival, it is
very likley to be drought stressed or otherwise neglected. And they do
not necessarily offer the same stock from the same vendors - many of
the largest wholesale vendors offer grades of product: premium grades
go to the plant retailers/nurseries; lesser grades to the discounters
and box stores. And some vendors simply do not sell to any discounters
or box stores, period.
btw, I am a degreed horticulturist as well as professionally
certified. I have worked in the nursery industry consistently for
nearly 20 years but as a second and much more rewarding and satisfying
career. I started out at quite a bit more than minimum wage and make
as much now as I did when I left my corporate banking career. It's not
a huge salary but it is faaaar more than minimum wage.
The Ranger
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On Nov 7, 11:28 am, Sheldumb Penisless <gravesen...@verizon.net> brayed his
usual noise:
> > Retail plant nurseries pay little more than minimum
> > wage... no education is required
> What you don't know or are misinformed about retail nurseries is
> rather astonishing!!
If you want to see how truly misinformed Sheldumb is to visit rfc. A more
obnoxious, louder-braying, north-end-of-a-southbound-mule there isn't.
Shelly will happily piss himself just to prove his nonexistent points of
view. It's best to simply filter/kf his posts, unless you like banging your
head against the wall. His favorite reply to an informed post of the quality
you provided is to pull some ad hominen starting with your sexual tastes,
mixing in some ethnic slurs, and finally closing with an exploit or two
about his alternative lifestyle.
The Ranger
sherwin dubren
Obviously, the sales people I encounter in my area big box stores
have not taken your classes.
The fruit tree stock may be fresh, but it is often misslabled. When
I checked on a misslabled tree recently, I discovered it had gone
through at least three sources from initial grower to distributor to
the final seller. It was impossible to trace the variety.
Sherwin
sherwin dubren
What in the world are you talking about? You obviously have a hard__
for me. That's your problem. You get the prize for obnoxious name
calling, which reflects your adolescent mentality.
Sherwin
Ohioguy
are in zone 5 or north, it is getting kind of late to be planting trees
- October was best.
You might be better off looking for a real, full time nursery. You
might be able to find a tree that has a larger trunk, and one that will
get established and start bearing fruit much faster.
The Ranger
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> The Ranger wrote:
>> gardengal <grdn...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:25254769-55df-4bc4...@t11g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>> On Nov 7, 11:28 am, Sheldumb Penisless <gravesen...@verizon.net> brayed
>> his usual noise:
>>>> Retail plant nurseries pay little more than minimum
>>>> wage... no education is required
>> [snip]
>>> What you don't know or are misinformed about retail nurseries is
>>> rather astonishing!!
>> [snip]
>>
>> If you want to see how truly misinformed Sheldumb is to visit rfc. A more
>> obnoxious, louder-braying, north-end-of-a-southbound-mule there isn't.
>> Shelly will happily piss himself just to prove his nonexistent points of
>> view. It's best to simply filter/kf his posts, unless you like banging
>> your head against the wall. His favorite reply to an informed post of the
>> quality you provided is to pull some ad hominen starting with your sexual
>> tastes, mixing in some ethnic slurs, and finally closing with an exploit
>> or two about his alternative lifestyle.
>>
Sherwin, Sherwin, Sherwin... Did you not looking at the trail of names
above? Or are you such a prick that you allow reading comprehension to get
in your way? Here, let me post only the name I was pointing out and then
highlight the difference so you won't be so quick to jump up and down and
wave your arms about next time.
I was responding to gardengal in *her* message (message id:
<25254769-55df-4bc4...@t11g2000prh.googlegroups.com>) who
responded to Sheldon Katz (aka "brooklyn1," "Penmart01," "Penmart10," and
"Sheldumb") in message id : <pe6bf59a5ort7qnlg...@4ax.com>.
But don't believe me. Go back and look up the thread, see it with your own
eyes.
So, please, follow your own advice "dummy."
The Ranger
cshenk
> [snip]
>> What you don't know or are misinformed about retail nurseries is
>> rather astonishing!!
> [snip]
>
> If you want to see how truly misinformed Sheldumb is to visit rfc. A more
> obnoxious, louder-braying, north-end-of-a-southbound-mule there isn't.
> Shelly will happily piss himself just to prove his nonexistent points of
;-) Thats Sheldon for ya!
sueb
In the San Francisco Bay Area, fall is not the best time to plant
stone fruit trees. Winter is the best time because you can purchase
bare root stock which is much cheaper than a balled root tree, and
will establish itself better.
We don't have snow and frozen ground. Life is a little different than
in Ohio.
Susan B.
The Ranger
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Careful, cshenk. Sherwin's spoilin' fer a fight. He'll call you a name and
really mean it... ;)
The Ranger
sherwin dubren
> Sherwin, Sherwin, Sherwin... Did you not looking at the trail of names
> above? Or are you such a prick that you allow reading comprehension to get
> in your way? Here, let me post only the name I was pointing out and then
> highlight the difference so you won't be so quick to jump up and down and
> wave your arms about next time.
>
> I was responding to gardengal in *her* message (message id:
> <25254769-55df-4bc4...@t11g2000prh.googlegroups.com>) who
> responded to Sheldon Katz (aka "brooklyn1," "Penmart01," "Penmart10," and
> "Sheldumb") in message id : <pe6bf59a5ort7qnlg...@4ax.com>.
>
> But don't believe me. Go back and look up the thread, see it with your own
> eyes.
OK Ranger. Sorry for the mixup, but I have seen my name twisted up
before on this group. I also did not know that brooklyn1 is really
Sheldon Katz. He is an idiot, first class.
Apologies,
Sherwin