Blackberries Near Septic Outflow
Raoul Laurent III
my septic system empties into this ditch. This outflow is from a fully
functioning residential sewage treatment (aerated) system. My question
is, can the berries from this bush be tainted by any bacteria, etc. from
this outflow through its root system? Which leads to the question,
should the berries be safe to eat?
Thanks for any comments
Raoul
Alf Christophersen
Of course the berries can be contaminated by bacteria. Eg. by throwing
the dirt on them or let the sparrows and other birds shit on them.
And so what ??
All berries are more or less contaminated by bacterias, quite
independent on where you may grow them.
Didn't you know that?? Berries are not grown under 100% sterile
conditions!
So, if you are seriously worried about bacterias in soil may contaminate
your vegetables and fruits, then you should find something else to do or
accept that they are always contaminated to more or less degree and has
been so long time before you made your very first cry and would do so
also when your ggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggchildren make her or
his first cry. That's why we have an immune system.
By letting our immune system get used with the bacteria, we manage to
cope with them. But by sterilising fruits and vegetables (I did know an
old lady from Chicago who washed all fruits and vegetables in 10%
chlorine solution to sterilise them, what an awful taste of her foods!!)
you deprive your immune system to get a chance to be used with the daily
life bacteria, and when you by accident get some food not sterilised
with 10% chlorine solution, you would get really sick.
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Alf Christophersen, Computer engineer
University of Oslo
Tel. +47 22 85 13 27, Fax: 22 85 15 32
URL: http://www.uio.no/~achristo
Cecil Gilbert
has laws on land applying septage, one such law reads:
Food crops shall not be harvested for 38 months after application of
septage.
Raoul Laurent III <rjl...@eatel.net> wrote in article
<37114B3E...@eatel.net>...
> There is a large blackberry bush on the bank of a ditch. The outflow of
> my septic system empties into this ditch. This outflow is from a fully
> functioning residential sewage treatment (aerated) system. My question
> is, can the berries from this bush be tainted by any bacteria, etc. from
> this outflow through its root system? Which leads to the question,
> should the berries be safe to eat?
>
Spirit Explorer
about septics. If it is indeed the true outflow from a fully
functional sewage treatment system and it is aerated, it would be
fine. It is not like feces will come rolling out at all. We had an
aerated system and the outflow was great for our Dewberry patch and
also our Cherry trees. We aren't dead and neither are the neighbors
who also ate the fruit.
Spirit Explorer
On 12 Apr 1999 20:04:35 GMT, "Cecil Gilbert" <woo...@netins.net>
wrote:
Elaine Gallant
Cecil Gilbert wrote in message
<01be851f$a17da900$a60e...@woody1.netins.net>...
>I would not eat the berries, I am a septic pumper and the state I am from
>has laws on land applying septage, one such law reads:
>Food crops shall not be harvested for 38 months after application of
>septage.
*smile* what do they know? These rules are made by bureaucrats who do
nothing but sit at desks, and think up rules all day.
400 million people produce a whole heck of a lot of ...you know what. Did
you know what happens to at least a good portion of it? It gets composted
and spread out as fertilizer as soon as it's ripe. maybe 6-12 months.
Much of the dumping of human compost on fields is done at night.
Elaine Gallant
The outflow from a septic tank is processed. Many countries just use raw
sewage for fertilizer. The people who do that are not dead either.
Spirit Explorer wrote in message <37130a3a....@news.zianet.com>...
>Here we go again this year with the same ole question and answer game
>about septics. If it is indeed the true outflow from a fully
>functional sewage treatment system and it is aerated, it would be
>fine. It is not like feces will come rolling out at all. We had an
>aerated system and the outflow was great for our Dewberry patch and
>also our Cherry trees. We aren't dead and neither are the neighbors
>who also ate the fruit.
>
>Spirit Explorer
>
>
>On 12 Apr 1999 20:04:35 GMT, "Cecil Gilbert" <woo...@netins.net>
>wrote:
>
>>I would not eat the berries, I am a septic pumper and the state I am from
>>has laws on land applying septage, one such law reads:
>>Food crops shall not be harvested for 38 months after application of
>>septage.
>>
Denise Beck
them. The bacteria that cause illness do not somehow lodge in the plant and
fruit, but are broken down by the decomposition process in the soil and
become fertilizer (the chemical components) for the blackberries. Should
make for some very big and luscious berries, send me some!
Denise McCann Beck
Coastal British Columbia
USDA zone 7 Sunset Zone 4
Raoul Laurent III wrote in message <37114B3E...@eatel.net>...
ShdowWolfZ
that comes up with human waste as fertilizewr is the build up of metals (that
the body excretes) in the plant tissue. As long as you do not attempt to base
you entire diet in these berries, or on food grown in the septic area, I don't
beleive it will be a problem. Besides, my dad loves to talk about how big and
sweet the blueberries over his septic tank use to be.
----Shadow Wolf
HELP!!!!
Don't let the Ambassador Wolf program Die!!!!!!
http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~dedo/dutcher.htm
Spirit Explorer
<elaine....@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> The outflow from a septic tank is processed. Many countries just use raw
>sewage for fertilizer. The people who do that are not dead either.
>
I know. Every year it comes up and a regular flame war can take place,
as some people will say that they have the "law" on their
side...me...I just have history and time on my side. I am still alive
and so is all I know who grow things over any type of septic system.
Something about this will continue off and on for the better part of
the Spring and Summer. Be prepared for the onslaught!! :-)
Spirit Explorer
John Neale Baraclough
from purpl...@SPAMBLOCKzianet.com (Spirit Explorer) contains these words:
> On Tue, 13 Apr 1999 12:17:23 -0700, "Elaine Gallant"
> <elaine....@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> >
> > The outflow from a septic tank is processed. Many countries just use raw
> >sewage for fertilizer. The people who do that are not dead either.
Not unless you count the childhood dysentery,typhoid etc risk.
> >
> I know. Every year it comes up and a regular flame war can take place,
> as some people will say that they have the "law" on their
> side...me...I just have history and time on my side. I am still alive
> and so is all I know who grow things over any type of septic system.
> Something about this will continue off and on for the better part of
> the Spring and Summer. Be prepared for the onslaught!! :-)
Raw sewage fertiliser -Hepatitis C is a hidden epidemic in the
Western world,and raw shit from an infected person carries it. Many
people fail to recover from Hep C and there is no vaccine.
Spirit Explorer
<janet.a...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
> Raw sewage fertiliser -Hepatitis C is a hidden epidemic in the
>Western world,and raw shit from an infected person carries it. Many
>people fail to recover from Hep C and there is no vaccine.
Why don't you read everything and especially the posts before the one
you answered? If you did,you would see that I and others were talking
about the outflow from an aerated septic system, not just a hose with
feces coming out of it. And YES, the outflow from a system such as
that is very safe. No Hepatitis C or any other kind of diseases.
This is just what I was talking about with the onslaught of people who
know it all when it comes to septic tanks and such. Please argue
amongst yourselves. I am not about to be drawn into argueing about
this when I know it is safe if done properly. Argue with yourself if
you will.
Spirit Explorer
Gary Cooper
>
> The outflow from a septic tank is processed. Many countries just use raw
> sewage for fertilizer. The people who do that are not dead either.
>
>
SOME of them are certainly dead. Ever hear of amoebic dysentery?
I'm not trying to answer the septic outflow question here; I'm just saying
that the fact that some people survive a practice doesn't mean it's safe.
If that were true, we'd have to say that even teenagers driving cars is
safe.
Gary
Gary Cooper
You must have missed at least one post in the thread, S.E. The post just
before John's comment mentioned using RAW (untreated) sewage on food
crops. Have a nice cup of tea and try to calm down now.
Gary
Elaine Gallant
Gary Cooper wrote in message ...
>You must have missed at least one post in the thread, S.E. The post just
>before John's comment mentioned using RAW (untreated) sewage on food
>crops.
Nope. That was I, and you got the WRONG message. I said that a septic
outflow pipe shouldn't be a worry to anyone. The stuff from the septic tank
is treated. It's a long way from raw sewage.
I was not advocating the use of raw sewage. Just mentioning that it
happened in several cultures, and it works for them.
Spirit Explorer
wrote:
>On Thu, 15 Apr 1999, Spirit Explorer wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 14 Apr 1999 20:30:52 +0100, John Neale Baraclough
>> <janet.a...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> > Raw sewage fertiliser -Hepatitis C is a hidden epidemic in the
>> >Western world,and raw shit from an infected person carries it. Many
>> >people fail to recover from Hep C and there is no vaccine.
>>
>> Why don't you read everything and especially the posts before the one
>> you answered? If you did,you would see that I and others were talking
>> about the outflow from an aerated septic system, not just a hose with
>> feces coming out of it. And YES, the outflow from a system such as
>> that is very safe. No Hepatitis C or any other kind of diseases.
>>
>> This is just what I was talking about with the onslaught of people who
>> know it all when it comes to septic tanks and such. Please argue
>> amongst yourselves. I am not about to be drawn into argueing about
>> this when I know it is safe if done properly. Argue with yourself if
>> you will.
>>
>> Spirit Explorer
>
>You must have missed at least one post in the thread, S.E. The post just
>before John's comment mentioned using RAW (untreated) sewage on food
>crops. Have a nice cup of tea and try to calm down now.
>
>Gary
>
Oh ok, I am sorry then. I thought he was talking about the outflow
that we were discussing. Thanks for the info. And I like tea, could I
offer you some Mormon Tea...plenty of it growing wild around here. :-)
Spirit Explorer
Gary Cooper
>
> Gary Cooper wrote in message ...
> >You must have missed at least one post in the thread, S.E. The post just
> >before John's comment mentioned using RAW (untreated) sewage on food
> >crops.
>
> Nope. That was I, and you got the WRONG message. I said that a septic
> outflow pipe shouldn't be a worry to anyone. The stuff from the septic tank
> is treated. It's a long way from raw sewage.
> I was not advocating the use of raw sewage. Just mentioning that it
> happened in several cultures, and it works for them.
>
So you did mention it (I never said you advocated it), and implied (though
didn't say outright) that even raw sewage isn't dangerous. John commented
(correctly) that raw sewage is a health hazard.
Case closed.
Gary
laura key
in asian countries for fertilizer. Been that way for thousands of years.
Of course, it might spread hepatitis and turn everyone yellowish, but
then again, over there, who could tell??
--Laura
Dan Parker
>Human manure and other sh*t from outhouses is regularly used
>in asian countries for fertilizer. Been that way for thousands of years.
>Of course, it might spread hepatitis and turn everyone yellowish, but
>then again, over there, who could tell??
>--Laura
Oh man...can I borrow someone's asbestos suit before the flames start?
Dan
Wayne
>
> Gary Cooper wrote in message ...
> >You must have missed at least one post in the thread, S.E. The post just
> >before John's comment mentioned using RAW (untreated) sewage on food
> >crops.
>
> Nope. That was I, and you got the WRONG message. I said that a septic
> outflow pipe shouldn't be a worry to anyone. The stuff from the septic tank
> is treated. It's a long way from raw sewage.
> I was not advocating the use of raw sewage. Just mentioning that it
> happened in several cultures, and it works for them.
It is only partly treated when it comes out of the septic tank.
the ground itself continues the treatment.
I would not grow any food items around the septic field.
Septic system works like this.
Raw sewage goes into tank. Solids settle out, or float.
Liquid flows out into lines to laterals to drain lines. Out of holes in
drain lines into gravel bed in the soil.
from there it filters into the rest of the soil and water table.
If the soil around the drain lines is too saturated, then the liquid
will come to the surface.
When this happens, you may have a very smelly place.
Anyway, it is NOT a good idea to grow food in this area.
--
Wayne AKA Blackie!
http://blackies-place.webjump.com
John Neale Baraclough
from laura key <k...@ti.com> contains these words:
> Human manure and other sh*t from outhouses is regularly used
> in asian countries for fertilizer. Been that way for thousands of years.
> Of course, it might spread hepatitis and turn everyone yellowish, but
> then again, over there, who could tell??
> --Laura
You must be rather green if you think all Asians are yellowish.
Being yellow is not an early symptom of Hep C infection - there are
often none.It hasn't been around for thousands of years,its
new.However, even the dullest person will know when their liver stops working.
Anyone who had a blood transfusion in the last decade may be one of
the many thousands of infected people in the silent stage who should
very definitely not be fertilising food crops with their shit.
Janet
Spirit Explorer
wrote:
>Case closed.
>
>Gary
>
Just have a look at this post and you will see why I said that the
onslaught had begun. It doesn't matter, some people honestly believe
that it is wrong to plant anything close to or especially on a septic
area because they believe all of the old wives tales about it all. I
have that said message pasted below for you to read.
Spirit Explorer
Neohippie
writes:
>There is a large blackberry bush on the bank of a ditch. The outflow of
>my septic system empties into this ditch. This outflow is from a fully
>functioning residential sewage treatment (aerated) system. My question
>is, can the berries from this bush be tainted by any bacteria, etc. from
>this outflow through its root system? Which leads to the question,
>should the berries be safe to eat?
My mom says that when she was a little kid, she used to eat wild blackberries
all the time that were growing in a field over a septic tank. She says that's
where the biggest, juiciest berries grew. Nothing happened to her, as far as we
know.
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